Roadrunner Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 News down here on the south coast. Portsmouth cancell Steve Cotterill press conforance today, as he is expected to become the new Nottingham Forrest manager.
Rocky Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Hahahaha in your face Florist fans. Robins in at the Robins....oh sh*t
CiderSomerset Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 I wouldnt start laughing at them yet, our new manager could be worse....
Whale Eye Beef Hooked Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 If Robins is appointed I'm giving up How do you know that he is going to crap ???? Bloody hell give him a chance Why are you so keen for a big name especially after the coppell cock up ?
Riaz Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 If Robins is appointed I'm giving up Why? Decent young manager ffs proven in this division too Hoping we appoint delboy tho
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 If Robins is appointed I'm giving up Yes, I think you should. The rest of us can get on with supporting City.
Riaz Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Under 2 years at Barnsley is hardly proven in this division..... They were bottom when he took over, and established them again as a decent championship team. Thats proven at this level to me.
Rocky Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 One positive about Robins, Man Utd youngsters on loan?!
downendcity Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 How do you know that he is going to crap ???? Bloody hell give him a chance Why are you so keen for a big name especially after the coppell cock up ? Absolutley right but this is nothing new is it. Typical BCFC fans - known everything there is to know about football and make themselves judge, jury and executioner for any new signing or appointment to this club. Players are damned before they have kicked a ball in a City shirt, and a new manager is doomed to failure before he's even made his first team selection. I can't beleive that any half decent manager reading this forum would even want to consider us as an option. The board might be fallable, but I would trust their judgement on our next manager a damned sight more than I would trust the judgement of many of the blinkered, prejudiced and small minded fans on this forum. If we do end up with a dud manager then perhaps we got the manager we deserve?
Riaz Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 well we obviously have very different views on BCFC and where we would like the club to be. Where would that be? How do you know that he would'nt deliver premier league football, if he was backed here with better resources than he's had? No one knows how good he will be - all we know is he has shown promise. Dont get me wrong, I will slightly disappointed if we get him, simply because we would'nt have got Del boy. But there alot of worse names being mentioned
... Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Absolutley right but this is nothing new is it. Typical BCFC fans - known everything there is to know about football and make themselves judge, jury and executioner for any new signing or appointment to this club. Players are damned before they have kicked a ball in a City shirt, and a new manager is doomed to failure before he's even made his first team selection. I can't beleive that any half decent manager reading this forum would even want to consider us as an option. The board might be fallable, but I would trust their judgement on our next manager a damned sight more than I would trust the judgement of many of the blinkered, prejudiced and small minded fans on this forum. If we do end up with a dud manager then perhaps we got the manager we deserve? 1) This is a forum - how DARE people express an opinion, eh?? 2) Robins IS the least inspiring of the managers mentioned - so why should we be excited by the prospect? 3) Best of luck to the new manager - I hope he / she gets a fair crack of the whip before Carey etal undermine him. 4) PLEASE, PLEASE can we have a clear out of our shitty players next summer.
... Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 1) This is a forum - how DARE people express an opinion, eh?? 2) Robins IS the least inspiring of the managers mentioned - so why should we be excited by the prospect? 3) Best of luck to the new manager - I hope he / she gets a fair crack of the whip before Carey etal undermine him. 4) PLEASE, PLEASE can we have a clear out of our shitty players next summer. 5) Carey: OUT 6) McAllister: OUT 7) James: OUT - you overpaid, disaster-monkey
Donald Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 If Robins was to get the job, he'd have it by now. I believe we are privately talking to someone who is currently employed elsewhere. This is just my view, not ITK info
Guest Cobby the red Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Come on give the man a chance IF he gets it so negative its untrue . How many on the forum 1 Are season ticket holders and 2 will be there tomorrow to give there support ?
eskay Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 News down here on the south coast. Portsmouth cancell Steve Cotterill press conforance today, as he is expected to become the new Nottingham Forrest manager. Perhaps he is coming here!
Riaz Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 The fact is, he has managed at Barnsley and Rotherham, neither of whom habve anywhere near the same goals as we do.....what experience does he have managing a team like us? None So? He's done well there and deserves a step up and a team that will give him the chance at acheiving those goals. He gets the most out of the players he inherits. Imagine he got the most out of Pitman, Maynard and Albert? Then u have Jones who has managed in the PL and done a good job EVERYWHERE HE HAS BEEN...... The fact Robins is even being seriously considered sums up the board completely.....there are MUCH better options out their most of whom with MUCH MORE EXPERIENCE. I like Dave Jones and I would'nt be against him becoming manager. BUT, will he work on a budget? would he be interested in coming here? And has he done such a great job? Fans of his former clubs hardly give him rave reviews... Experience isnt everything - especially if they arent great managers. Bobby Gould is vastly experienced - maybe we should go for him?
Roadrunner Posted October 14, 2011 Author Posted October 14, 2011 BBC quoted Nottingham Forrest. Perhaps he is coming here!
madmax Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Reading the Frank Clark interview today, Forest are no where near naming a manager. According to him they haven't even got a short list. MM
Riaz Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Reading the Frank Clark interview today, Forest are no where near naming a manager. According to him they haven't even got a short list. MM I'd be amazed if that was true. Plus the BBC "understands" cotterill wil be appointed today..... which to me, it means its highly probable.
RedRaw Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 They were bottom when he took over, and established them again as a decent championship team. Thats proven at this level to me. I think you need to do a little more than that to be classed as proven. You could argue that Millen did the same for us last season but you wont catch many people here calling him proven
Riaz Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 I think you need to do a little more than that to be classed as proven. You could argue that Millen did the same for us last season but you wont catch many people here calling him proven Millen inherited a decent squad and made it worse. The only reason he "saved" us, was because he gave a half decent squad stability. Given time, all he did was turn us into relegation candidates. Robins took over a team and improved them. Never has he turned a team into relegation candidates.
Hicksy-BCFC Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Expect Robins to be announced tomorrow then for BCFC That really would be depressing.
Hicksy-BCFC Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Barnsley fans put me off Mark Robins, majority say he's tatically clueless and has zero personality. Us appoint someone clueless at management and with little personality. Nah, would never happen..............
Riaz Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Robins played crap football and apparently has no personality. And that's from barnsely fans where he was a 'success'. Not what we need when we are bottom of the league. no personality? well, every time I'ver heard him speak, he sounds like he knows what he is talking about.... And so what if he played "crap football" - he was only there 2 years with no money to spend.... had to do what was needed... He's not my number one choice, but I would be relieved, if he got it - considering the names being mentioned (McClaren, John Hughes, Bothroyd)
!james Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Robins doesnt play attractive football, seemed to rely on short term Premier League loans, and fell out with the board and resigned when they wouldnt give him money to spend (which he wanted to spend on marlon bloody harewood!)
RedRaw Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 OMG You really must be desperate if he is the man, Hope your chairman has millions because Robins refuses to work on a Budget which is sh**. Thats the reason he left us because he wasnt given a lot of Money. He didnt believe he is good enough manager to work on a crap budget. I saw him 3 weeks since, I was sat next to him at Burton v Plymouth game. He is a top top bloke but Manager, no chance. Best of luk if you get him, but best you can hope for is around 16th place. Good Points: Nicest bloke you will ever meet Can get big players to the club (If he has Money) McShane, Harewood here Good at Loans, dont think we had a bad Loan under him Bad Points: No Plan B Needs Money Not a Motivator on the Touchline Robins took over a team and improved them. Never has he turned a team into relegation candidates. That may well be your opinion of him from afar. Personally, I think he falls more into Barnsley-Tyke's opinion
Riaz Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 That may well be your opinion of him from afar. Personally, I think he falls more into Barnsley-Tyke's opinion Well, results speak for themselves.
Hicksy-BCFC Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Well, results speak for themselves. One of the candidates took Cardiff to Wembley three times. Once as an FA Cup Finalist as a Championship club.... Last season they weren't out of the play places all season. Quite like them results myself...
CodeRed Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Robins took over a team and improved them. Never has he turned a team into relegation candidates. Yes, and credit to Robins for that 18th place finish But it's hardly much in comparison to all the other candidates who have actually WON something. To actually complete the task and win promotion over the 46 games is what separates the good managers from the also rans. KM did well last year, Tinnion got us into the top half, but GJ actually won something and history will say that he was a good appointment at the time and did well (for a while - but nothing lasts forever) . The other 2 have been dimissed as failures. So of the candidates McInnes - won promotion to SPL SOD - won promotions with Bournemouth & Donnie Jones - won promotion with Stockport to the Championship, won promotion to PL with Wolves Boothroyyd - won promotion to PL with Watford Robins - improved Barnsley to finish in 18th place. no promotions Please tell me why MR is even on the short list? CR
Riaz Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Yes, and credit to Robins for that 18th place finish But it's hardly much in comparison to all the other candidates who have actually WON something. To actually complete the task and win promotion over the 46 games is what separates the good managers from the also rans. KM did well last year, Tinnion got us into the top half, but GJ actually won something and history will say that he was a good appointment at the time and did well (for a while - but nothing lasts forever) . The other 2 have been dimissed as failures. So of the candidates McInnes - won promotion to SPL SOD - won promotions with Bournemouth & Donnie Jones - won promotion with Stockport to the Championship, won promotion to PL with Wolves Boothroyyd - won promotion to PL with Watford Robins - improved Barnsley to finish in 18th place. no promotions Please tell me why MR is even on the short list? CR He would have won promotion had he stayed at rotherham and he was at barnsley.... what do you expect him to do with barnsley?? in 2 years?
Red-Robbo Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Robins played crap football and apparently has no personality. And that's from barnsely fans where he was a 'success'. Not what we need when we are bottom of the league. According to Barnsley Tyke, he was a really nice guy with loads of time for the fans, that contradicts your second point. As for the first point, he basically saved Barnsley - a club with much smaller budget than us - and established them in this league. They were bottom of the league too when he took over there.
... Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 And Aidy Boothroyd was at Watford? And people laugh about him. Yes, yes, yes, this is all 'very well', but what do the ladies think? What a nice young gentleman Mark seems to be, sure to be popular with the wives, even if he used to model knitware in his teens. None of this means he won't be a good manager.
... Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 He said he couldn't motivate. Sounds like Teflon to me. Let's get this straight, Mr. Are you saying Keef could'nt motivate the current BCFC squad of professional football players?? Are you .......... 'quite sure' about that?? This is "crazy-talk".
Cornacix the Druid Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 With Robins (allegedly)waiting on the Forest job before turning his attention to BCFC makes us sound like "sloppy seconds" He may/may not be a good manager for us but I'd be disappointed in the board if they appoint someone who was not interested and enthusiastic about the position from the very beginning. In addition, we would be appointing a manager who was thought not the best choice by another club in the same situation and at the same level as us. And that's in my opinion.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 With Robins (allegedly)waiting on the Forest job before turning his attention to BCFC makes us sound like "sloppy seconds" He may/may not be a good manager for us but I'd be disappointed in the board if they appoint someone who was not interested and enthusiastic about the position from the very beginning. In addition, we would be appointing a manager who was thought not the best choice by another club in the same situation and at the same level as us. And that's in my opinion. if your assumption is true I agree totally with what you say. if the board do give him the job given your scenario, then my god they either want him come what may or his interview must have been mind blowing. The board would surely this time put themselves up for major criticism and humiliation if he gets the job and fails.
TRL Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 if your assumption is true I agree totally with what you say. if the board do give him the job given your scenario, then my god they either want him come what may or his interview must have been mind blowing. The board would surely this time put themselves up for major criticism and humiliation if he gets the job and fails. If it is true, and who are we to know. Then he should be taken out of the equation as he is not 100% behind the cause. Fair enough he wants to weigh up his options, but he should be removed from out list if what is being rumoured turns out to be true.
CodeRed Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 He would have won promotion had he stayed at rotherham and he was at barnsley.... what do you expect him to do with barnsley?? in 2 years? Maybe he would - maybe he wouldn't Maybe Keith would have turned it around But we're talking facts Robins is not a provan promotion winner. the others are. Robins might do well at City , but he's not yet proved he can win a promotion wheras all the others have. We all have our own views - Reading everything on the net , mine is that the final 2 are McInnes and SOD. with McInnes the favourite. Jones - probably too expensive & we're looking for a rising youg star - his big successes were several years ago. Robins - good potential and right age but won nothing yet , too much of a risk SOD - solid record in L1, good coach but his recent track record of results this season and his failure to do anything in the NPC will count against him McInnes - Good rep, promotion winner, competing well in SPL with minimal budget, good man manager, strong personal qualities, highly recommended & no one has a bad word to say about him. Lacks English FL management, but good playing career inc SPL and PL at WBA. On the rise and could take City along with him. Will the board be brave enough though?
Riaz Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Maybe he would - maybe he wouldn't Maybe Keith would have turned it around But we're talking facts Robins is not a provan promotion winner. the others are. Robins might do well at City , but he's not yet proved he can win a promotion wheras all the others have. We all have our own views - Reading everything on the net , mine is that the final 2 are McInnes and SOD. with McInnes the favourite. Jones - probably too expensive & we're looking for a rising youg star - his big successes were several years ago. Robins - good potential and right age but won nothing yet , too much of a risk SOD - solid record in L1, good coach but his recent track record of results this season and his failure to do anything in the NPC will count against him McInnes - Good rep, promotion winner, competing well in SPL with minimal budget, good man manager, strong personal qualities, highly recommended & no one has a bad word to say about him. Lacks English FL management, but good playing career inc SPL and PL at WBA. On the rise and could take City along with him. Will the board be brave enough though? To be honest with you CodeRed - I'd be happy with any of those 4. McInnes would be my choice. But I just dont get why people are so against Robins. If we want someone to keep us up - out those 4, he'd be the one most likely to do it - because he has done it already with barnsley. It just annoys me how short-sighted people are, wanting a name that sounds good, but nothing more.
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 If Robbins is waiting on Forest I'd be disgusted if we appointed him.
beaverface Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Maybe he would - maybe he wouldn't Maybe Keith would have turned it around But we're talking facts Robins is not a provan promotion winner. the others are. Robins might do well at City , but he's not yet proved he can win a promotion wheras all the others have. We all have our own views - Reading everything on the net , mine is that the final 2 are McInnes and SOD. with McInnes the favourite. Jones - probably too expensive & we're looking for a rising youg star - his big successes were several years ago. Robins - good potential and right age but won nothing yet , too much of a risk SOD - solid record in L1, good coach but his recent track record of results this season and his failure to do anything in the NPC will count against him McInnes - Good rep, promotion winner, competing well in SPL with minimal budget, good man manager, strong personal qualities, highly recommended & no one has a bad word to say about him. Lacks English FL management, but good playing career inc SPL and PL at WBA. On the rise and could take City along with him. Will the board be brave enough though? According to Colin Sexstone, finances won't come into the equation until City have decided on who they want to employ, so if Jones is the man that comes across best, then so be it.
Whale Eye Beef Hooked Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 He would have won promotion had he stayed at rotherham and he was at barnsley.... what do you expect him to do with barnsley?? in 2 years? Interesting comment considering your patience with Keith Millen.
Riaz Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Interesting comment considering your patience with Keith Millen. If millen could have delivered 18th this season, that would have been great. Wasnt going to happen. No signs of progress - only signs of us getting worse.
beaverface Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 CS today made it clear that during talks finance was mentioned..... Fair enough, I haven't heard anything from Colin today, just going by his previous statements. BTW, when talking about finances, does he mean Manager wages or team building finances?
Brizzle Jordan Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 I think he means how much they would like to spend and how much BCFC can afford to give the gaffer to strengthen the squad.
Riaz Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Are you having a laugh?/ no wonder u'd be happy with robins.... Its called patience.
beaverface Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Team buiilding financies. He also made it clear that certain interviewees had questioned the club about financis avaiable. I would expect that to be one of the first questions on the interviewee's lips.
Riaz Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 No. With our squad we should be anywhere between midtable and playoffs. You really do seem clueless on BCFC related matters. Ditto we are a small club in this division - Until we get a decent manager who can re-build us.
Andy082005 Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 No. With our squad we should be anywhere between midtable and playoffs. You really do seem clueless on BCFC related matters. I think the point Riaz was trying to get at was 18th under Millen, and our massive, unhappy squad....would have been good. It was never going to happen. We have the players here, a good 11 to 13 who could deliver us top half football easily, but with a big squad comes clicks and problems....we have this in abundance. This season is all about survival, then decreasing the squad, and getting a good, close team spirit within the club and working with a 23 squad. If only it was as simple as picking our 11 best players and going out and winning. We'd all be doing it. We have more problems off the field then on it. Millen didn't have what it takes to sort it out....because he was part if the original problem. As I said, it's all about survival this year...and for me, was from day one of this season
Brizzle Jordan Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 I think the point Riaz was trying to get at was 18th under Millen, and our massive, unhappy squad....would have been good. It was never going to happen. We have the players here, a good 11 to 13 who could deliver us top half football easily, but with a big squad comes clicks and problems....we have this in abundance. This season is all about survival, then decreasing the squad, and getting a good, close team spirit within the club and working with a 23 squad. If only it was as simple as picking our 11 best players and going out and winning. We'd all be doing it. We have more problems off the field then on it. Millen didn't have what it takes to sort it out....because he was part if the original problem. As I said, it's all about survival this year...and for me, was from day one of this season Agree 100%. If the new manager came in and we ended up finishing around 15th-18th i would be delighted. Then in the summer we need to trim the squad down to around 20-23 players whilst keeping our better players. Then we can go back to thinking about the Premier League goal.
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Agree 100%. If the new manager came in and we ended up finishing around 15th-18th i would be delighted. Then in the summer we need to trim the squad down to around 20-23 players whilst keeping our better players. Then we can go back to thinking about the Premier League goal. Agree with that, however we need a manager capable of doing that, ideally someone with not only the passion and belief to do it but the creativity and know how too, Robbins according to Barnsley fans is NOT that man.
Bar BS3 Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 I'm sure some people here moan for the sake of it, in an effort to cover their own moaning in the future! Maon about who we appoint now (or even before er appoint them!) then, if they turn out to do a good job, then nobody will care and we are all happy. Support the new appointment and be a bit positive and they must feel that they will be there to be shot at if things don't go so well. How anyone can be entirely negative about ANY new manager is beyond me. We all have our preferences, but NOBODY on the forum has sat in on the interviews and heard what each candidate ha to say and what their vision for this club are. Why cant people keep their negativity to themselves and see how he does once he has the job. I'm not saying be happy clappy sheep, just just quit all the unjustified negativity FFS!
Bar BS3 Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Agree with that, however we need a manager capable of doing that, ideally someone with not only the passion and belief to do it but the creativity and know how too, Robbins according to Barnsley fans is NOT that man. According to ONE or TWO Barnsley fans he is not the man. Acoording to ONE or TWO Rotherham fans, he could well be the man. Why are people only looking at one side of the story where Robins is concerned?!
NiceRed Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 If Robbins is waiting on Forest I'd be disgusted if we appointed him. A few other posters have mentioned this also. Really don't agree. Despite whatever internal problems are happening at Forest (though things aren't exactly all rosy inside BCFC, clearly), Forest are a much more glamourous and "bigger" club than us. It's crazy to suggest someone with no links to BCFC would choose us over Forest. Therefore, I couldn't criticise anyone for waiting on the Forest job before committing to us. In a way, the Forest job, given the heightened and probably unreasonable expectations of many of their fans, is more demanding than managing us (most of us would be happy with upper midtable and half decent football), so someone who wants the Forest job is clearly ambitious and confident in their abilities, which are some of the attributes we will be looking for. For what it's worth, Robins isn't my preferred choice (McInnes is). But discounting him just because he might prefer the Forest job is wrong.
Red-Robbo Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 I think the point Riaz was trying to get at was 18th under Millen, and our massive, unhappy squad....would have been good. It was never going to happen. We have the players here, a good 11 to 13 who could deliver us top half football easily, but with a big squad comes clicks and problems....we have this in abundance. This season is all about survival, then decreasing the squad, and getting a good, close team spirit within the club and working with a 23 squad. If only it was as simple as picking our 11 best players and going out and winning. We'd all be doing it. We have more problems off the field then on it. Millen didn't have what it takes to sort it out....because he was part if the original problem. As I said, it's all about survival this year...and for me, was from day one of this season Absolutely spot on - outstanding post. We AREN'T in some 'push for promotion' season. That's about as likely ATM as England winning the next World Cup. We're deep in the brown stuff. And we need someone who has a track record of pulling clubs out of it.
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 According to ONE or TWO Barnsley fans he is not the man. Acoording to ONE or TWO Rotherham fans, he could well be the man. Why are people only looking at one side of the story where Robins is concerned?! Personally I've seen no positive comments regarding Robbins hence why I posted what I did, FFS!
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 A few other posters have mentioned this also. Really don't agree. Despite whatever internal problems are happening at Forest (though things aren't exactly all rosy inside BCFC, clearly), Forest are a much more glamourous and "bigger" club than us. It's crazy to suggest someone with no links to BCFC would choose us over Forest. Therefore, I couldn't criticise anyone for waiting on the Forest job before committing to us. In a way, the Forest job, given the heightened and probably unreasonable expectations of many of their fans, is more demanding than managing us (most of us would be happy with upper midtable and half decent football), so someone who wants the Forest job is clearly ambitious and confident in their abilities, which are some of the attributes we will be looking for. For what it's worth, Robins isn't my preferred choice (McInnes is). But discounting him just because he might prefer the Forest job is wrong. I am not discounting him because of that alone though, I don't think he's the man to get us playing attractive football and I can't see him being the man to take Bristol City up the league.
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