tinman-is-god Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Having just got back from Palace, one of the positives we can take from the evening is the performance of Ryan Taylor. I am not of the view that Maynard is not putting 100% effort in but the reality is that he is not performing, with his inability to hold the ball up and win balls in the air exposing his weaknesses when we play one up front. Taylor looked lively, won some flick ons and had a decent attempt on goal. We looked much better with him on the pitch. With our lack of creative midfielders, we are going to be relying on the flair coming from Adomah and Campbell-Ryce meaning that Taylor's ability in the air will be a huge asset. I also think it could show Maynard that he needs to perform in order to start - with Stead and Pitman in the mix as well, we have no reason to continue playing a player who is clearly not in form and not contributing to the team.
Red Cloud Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 Maynard needs to rot in the reserves until he shows some respect for the fans, club and his team mates by doing what he's paid so lavishly well for - used to to be such a decent bloke as well!
TRL Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 Maynard needs to rot in the reserves until he shows some respect for the fans, club and his team mates by doing what he's paid so lavishly well for - used to to be such a decent bloke as well! Used to be such a lovely bloke? Still is Just doesn't want to sign for us, doesn't make him a nasty bloke. And judging how the team are playing I suggest he has done the right thing. He is getting played up front on his own with no support, Creativity even worse than the season he scored 20 goals. If he doesn't get any service he can't do what he is paid to do, he is left dreadfully isolated and made to run around looking for half chances, as no one pushes on enough to help him he is left trying to make space for himself between 2 and 3 defenders every time. Nigh on impossible when we dont have a forward thinking midfielder who can pass it. Maynard had the foresight to see what was coming, And I can't blame him for wanting to take his talent away from this Shambles. Taylor on the other hand, good luck to him, but if he starts expect aimless balls hoffed towards him as it is the easiy thing to do. Management and the coaches anre the only reason Maynard is looking bad, don't play to his strengths and expect shite performances.
Mrdc Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 I think if Robbins is apointed we can look forward to see Taylor playing alongside Stead, with long balls being pumped up to them. Really cannot wait for that.
Murraysrightplum Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 Maynard needs to rot in the reserves until he shows some respect for the fans, club and his team mates by doing what he's paid so lavishly well for - used to to be such a decent bloke as well! Would you sign a new deal if you were him? (Remember he isn't a City fan...)He should be dropped though
SecretSam Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 As per my post on the game last night, Maynard is not right to play up on his own - he's the wrong sort of player, hasn't the strength or movement to play up top. Taylor, on the other hand. would do the job just fine - so if we keep 4-5-1 away (and no reason to think we won't) then Maynard doesn't play. He'll be on his toes in January anyway.
Guest Steve Galliers for England Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 Having just got back from Palace, one of the positives we can take from the evening is the performance of Ryan Taylor. I am not of the view that Maynard is not putting 100% effort in but the reality is that he is not performing, with his inability to hold the ball up and win balls in the air exposing his weaknesses when we play one up front. Taylor looked lively, won some flick ons and had a decent attempt on goal. We looked much better with him on the pitch. With our lack of creative midfielders, we are going to be relying on the flair coming from Adomah and Campbell-Ryce meaning that Taylor's ability in the air will be a huge asset. I also think it could show Maynard that he needs to perform in order to start - with Stead and Pitman in the mix as well, we have no reason to continue playing a player who is clearly not in form and not contributing to the team. Think Taylor has definately earnt himself a chance to start with his recent cameos (he and pitman helped change course of hull game imo), looks enthusiastic & positive. Few more long balls? Perhaps but lots of possesion and few chances and 9 goals in 13 games all season, unless we have the best defence in the league(!) we need to start scoring goals nd winning games! He's unlikely to score 15/20 goals this term but what we are currently doing is not working.
Guest bcfc_Jamie Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 Honestly feel sorry for all the stick Maynard is getting. WHAT COULD HE DO YESTERDAY?! We just played hoof ball for 90 minutes so he had no chance against Gardner. He chased most balls down and got really frustrated with other team mates, that's not what i call someone who doesn't give a sh1t. We need to play to Maynards strengths and play a striker along side him! Get off his back and he'll do the business, he just needs some service which he isn't getting.
SecretSam Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 Honestly feel sorry for all the stick Maynard is getting. WHAT COULD HE DO YESTERDAY?! We just played hoof ball for 90 minutes so he had no chance against Gardner. He chased most balls down and got really frustrated with other team mates, that's not what i call someone who doesn't give a sh1t. We need to play to Maynards strengths and play a striker along side him! Get off his back and he'll do the business, he just needs some service which he isn't getting. Spot on - he did nothing wrong, anyone fed on scraps will get hungry and p155ed off
Guest Terace Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 Thats right. all though he's prepared to work hard on his own IMO ,Generally Nicky isnt a lone striker without technically gifted players around him to give him that service and doesn't hold the ball up well enough..(and I was at leicester when he scored his 2 this season and sheff utd away last season when he got sent off for that block tackle thing he does when closing down his opponent... both ends of the scale really) What frustrates me more and last night again is that the management past and temporary cannot/ couldnt see this. Last night Gardner and his mate at the back had an easy evening untill the more powerful Taylor gave them someting to think about but his introduction was far too late. We work better with a two out of Taylor/ Stead plus Pitman when playing 442 otherwise Taylor or Stead as a lone striker I think.
tinman-is-god Posted October 19, 2011 Author Posted October 19, 2011 Honestly feel sorry for all the stick Maynard is getting. WHAT COULD HE DO YESTERDAY?! We just played hoof ball for 90 minutes so he had no chance against Gardner. He chased most balls down and got really frustrated with other team mates, that's not what i call someone who doesn't give a sh1t. We need to play to Maynards strengths and play a striker along side him! Get off his back and he'll do the business, he just needs some service which he isn't getting. I like Maynard and he is an excellent player, but in our current system his inclusion isn't making the team a better one. We are playing 4-5-1, and yes he had no chance against Gardner which is exactly why he shouldn't have been playing as a lone striker. I agree with your last point but unless we change the system having him up front on his own, especially away, we will struggle to keep the ball and build any decent attacks.
bearded_red Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 I agree that Taylor was extremely impressive off the bench against Hull and I also agree that a player like him might be very useful in the plight we currently find oursleves in, but I have to admit that Stead and Pitman would be my choice to start up front. For some reason it seems to have been forgotten just how good they were together at times last season. And before anyone says 'but Stead has been poor so far this season', I know he has. But I just feel him and Brett deserve a run of games in order to see if they can form as dangerous a partnership as they did last season. And Stead has hardly had a fair crack at finding some form so far this term has he? They also both work their b******* off every game they play and that is exactly the type of mentality we need at the moment.
Guest del ete Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 Maynard needs to rot in the reserves until he shows some respect for the fans, club and his team mates by doing what he's paid so lavishly well for - used to to be such a decent bloke as well! Im with you on this, no idea why everyone thinks he walks on water. Fact is he has been crap this season, and completely un-interested. He was injured all last season, which was his own fault if you listen to the rumours. Holding the club to ransome over a contract, he can **** off. I have no problem with him leaving, he is just going about it in entirely a disrespectfull way to the club. I say start Pitman now, and offer him an extension now, before the same thing happens all over again next season. We dont have the money to let people walk away on freebies
Spud55 Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 Yes Maynard is under performing, but he's not getting any help from the team selection is he? The best game he's had was when he played up top with Pitman and he looked good. Even playing a 4-5-1 with him up front on his own should work as he can hold the ball up quite well, but not when we pump endless long balls up in the air, get the ball into feet then he will hold the ball up and do a decent job, but we play maynard up top on his own and play to him like he's bloody adebola, thats just madness. Playing a lone striker and expecting Marvin Elliot to be the link man is just plain insanity, as Elliot can't pass water. If you want to play 4-5-1 with maynard up front and have him be effective you need a creative player in the hole behind him, to not only feed him through balls and the like but also to run off him and get ahead of him, play a 4-5-1 with Cisse and Kilkenny sitting and Pitman just behind maynard then it may get somewhere, but play 4-5-1 as if we have a beast up front then we just frankly look silly.
Donald Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 Said it weeks ago. Maynard needs to be dropped for his good and the good of the team What's the point of 4 forwards if you don't give them a chance. We play 4-5-1 dont like it but Fine. Maynard isn't working as a lone frontman....fine. BUT give pitman ago, with his style of play I'm sure he'll do more over the 90 than maynard
EmissionImpossible Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 People are overlooking the real problem here. Maynard would score a tonne of goals if he actually had a decent midfield to create chances for him. Kilkenny, Elliott and Cisse, no creativity whatsoever. Elliott is hugely overrated and always has been, he is a workhorse with a good engine but he cant pass. Same goes for Cisse and Kilkenny is a poor mans Lee Johnson in a sense. What im trying to say is we have no one to spray the ball around, the ball doesnt go out wide or up to Maynard with any quality. Kilkenny needs to start doing what Johnson use to do, take the ball off the back 4, especially McGovern and spread it wide. i dont see the problem being up front, i see us needing a creative midfielder. It wouldnt matter if it was Pitman, Maynard or Messi up front on there own, if they dont get any service, they wont score.
tinman-is-god Posted October 19, 2011 Author Posted October 19, 2011 People are overlooking the real problem here. Maynard would score a tonne of goals if he actually had a decent midfield to create chances for him. Kilkenny, Elliott and Cisse, no creativity whatsoever. Elliott is hugely overrated and always has been, he is a workhorse with a good engine but he cant pass. Same goes for Cisse and Kilkenny is a poor mans Lee Johnson in a sense. What im trying to say is we have no one to spray the ball around, the ball doesnt go out wide or up to Maynard with any quality. Kilkenny needs to start doing what Johnson use to do, take the ball off the back 4, especially McGovern and spread it wide. i dont see the problem being up front, i see us needing a creative midfielder. It wouldnt matter if it was Pitman, Maynard or Messi up front on there own, if they dont get any service, they wont score. I would agree with that assesment but as we lack the creativity to create anything on the deck, surely our chances are going to come from the wings and 'hopeful' balls forward meaning that a forward with a greater physical presence would be more suited?
42nite Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 If Del is in charge Sunday, I expect him to get the crowd on his side by fielding an 'enthusiastic' team. That rules Maynard out! Pretty sure he will be aware who's up for the fight ahead, and with Taylor and Pitman putting themselves about up front, Ashton Gate appreciating the effort, and with a bit of luck...Del could be off to a good start. I think Maynard could do with a couple of outings on the sub's bench.
EmissionImpossible Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 I would agree with that assesment but as we lack the creativity to create anything on the deck, surely our chances are going to come from the wings and 'hopeful' balls forward meaning that a forward with a greater physical presence would be more suited? In the short term Lee Johnson replacing Elliott would be the way to go but I doubt that will ever happen. Taylor and Maynard would be an option but we need a creative CM, a focused, sober Noble would be ideal.
Guest catcott_red1 Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 Whoever starts will be the players that have looked the best in training, so it could be a completley fresh look on the team which is obviously a good thing. Also i would also expect del to ask wiggers his opinions etc
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