Guest Red 'un' Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 On SKYSPORTS site CHAMPIONSHIP read ... McKay confirms Donny deal.
Guest Red 'un' Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11734_7256081,00.html thanks Wurzel
megansdad Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 http://www.skysports...7256081,00.html seems like a man who's mouth is too big and who is set for a fall- imaging the people he is dealing with will be less than impressed to find their dealings being the subject of such open discussion. Deserves to fall flat on his face and suspect he will.
TRL Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 seems like a man who's mouth is too big and who is set for a fall- imaging the people he is dealing with will be less than impressed to find their dealings being the subject of such open discussion. Deserves to fall flat on his face and suspect he will. He didn't get where he is by being a shrinking violet. He i always in the press, seems to still keep his massive client base, he weilds more power than you think
BCAGFC Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Interesting & a good idea (although having a monopoly over things isn't good). Pity our scout network is non existent. BCAGFC
Red_Mat Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 How can the football authorities sit back and allow this to happen?! It's the same at Blackburn. Surely it's a straightforward conflict of interest that an agent is employed by a club to take over all their transfers!? So Doncaster need a player - say a goalie - are they really going to get the best and most suitable player on the market, or are they going to get one who happens to be signed up with this bloke who, oh how fortunate, happens to make a 10% cut of the deal and of the player's earnings. I would not be happy if I were a Doncaster fan.
Barrs Court Red Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 So in effect, this makes Doncaster a shop window for an agents back catalogue?
funky monkey Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 So in effect, this makes Doncaster a shop window for an agents back catalogue? It makes a mockery of the club and this thing can only happen to smaller club. It is a bit like fedder clubs for big teams but obviously on a wider scale. Could be a good tthing for donny and knowing that they will have a lot of scouts attending there games from now on may influence other players to move there for exposure ?
Gazred Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Don't like the sound of that one bit. Keep well away from our club please. Why there still isnt an F.A system of scouts and agents i dont know. Why do they want people like this taking money out of the game?
TRL Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Certainly explains why SOD was put on gardening leave and Saunders came in So quicly. I wouldn't be surprised if it was at Mckay's say so.
Donald Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 It makes a mockery of the club and this thing can only happen to smaller club. It is a bit like fedder clubs for big teams but obviously on a wider scale. Could be a good tthing for donny and knowing that they will have a lot of scouts attending there games from now on may influence other players to move there for exposure ? Indeed, it's possibly turning the club into a bit of a joke, by signing large amount of players who have no long term interest in the club, in the short term, it could work great, however long term I don't see it working
funky monkey Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Indeed, it's possibly turning the club into a bit of a joke, by signing large amount of players who have no long term interest in the club, in the short term, it could work great, however long term I don't see it working If donny managed to make it to the prem on the back of this it would a be a major success then they could use mackays links to it maximum. but like most things time will tell
SJC Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 That makes me feel a little bit ill. I can see the sense in it from the clubs point of view but they've sold their soul to get there. Players walking into a side they care nothing for just to secure a move in the short term, displacing others of less ability who who may give their all for the cause, surely a matter of time before it goes pop. Does it really matter if they get relegated, or relegated again, they're now just an entertaining shop window.
Slave to the rhythm Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 That makes me feel a little bit ill. I can see the sense in it from the clubs point of view but they've sold their soul to get there. Players walking into a side they care nothing for just to secure a move in the short term, displacing others of less ability who who may give their all for the cause, surely a matter of time before it goes pop. Does it really matter if they get relegated, or relegated again, they're now just an entertaining shop window. At least their fans will be entertained. I can't see too much wrong with this, to be honest.
SJC Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 What's the difference between this and the 12 players we've got out of contract at the end of the season? To an extent all footballers (baring a very small few) hope to play well to get a successful move. Those out of contract have committed to the club and the teams success is intrinsically linked to their own. Of course you can say all footballers are the same but people on here develop scape goats in a flash (Lee Johnson, Cole Skuse more recently), let alone if they're on loan (Stern John, Patrick Agyemang etc), can you imagine if players were coming in just to pass through whilst not caring for the cause at all! You're asking a collection of ego's, all desperate to individually shine more than the man next to him, to come together as a team. I struggle to see that working. The flip side clearly is, in theory, they perform their best to catch the eye so the team should perform well. But I'd rather a solid, settled side than a continually changing band of misfits pulling on my teams kit every week. If it's one or two players then fine, they're basically just acquiring high class loan deals. The problem, aside from the agent monopoly that has already been touched upon, is if it gets out of hand and the club suffer for it.
stawey Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 all your eggs in one basket comes to mind seems a gobby bloke with a lot of power but good or bad is the question
havanatopia Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 What is not to like? Mackay says he has been up front, he has done a deal with Donny who approached him and the FA have looked at it and say its OK. On top of that he is taking players who are losing time in their short careers and putting them in the shop window, he is saving Donny a fortune in weekly wages and the parent club might finally get him off their wage bill if someone comes in and buys him. The whole deal, for a club like Donny, is brilliant and I am only surprised it has not happened before. In fact, I am sure it has. As for current Donny players; if they are performing as badly as they have been and picking up 7k or more a week then frankly i have no sympathy for them whatsoever. Try taking home 200 quid a week and stacking the shelves at your local supermarche and if you can't do that either then go play downs football and retire.
Bar BS3 Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Well Well Well. VERY INTERESTING! This kind of deal certainly has pro's and con's for the club involved, in this case Doncaster. The agent is laughing all the way to the bank, the players concerned get their wages, regular football and the potential of a big money move. This goes against the whole tradition of the game. There will be no loyalty whatsoever from those involved and it is almost taking the piss out of Doncaster as a club, BUT it also bring top quality player to Donny at a fraction of their usual cost and is a great way to cut their wage bill. I don't think motivation to perform will be an issue - indeed, it is probably easier to set the worls alight over a short period at a lower standard, therefore Donny and their supports win on that front and this could just propel them up the league, potentiall towards a Premier League push, which would then make them self sufficient (for a while) Do I agree with this being brought into football - NO, definitely not. Can I see the benefits for all concerned -YES, without a doubt. The major problem will arise, should many other clubs follow suit and basically make the lower leagues (even as far up as the NPC) nothing more than a shop window for the prem and european clubs. Great idea, but could be another nail in the coffin of the game that we all love!
Robin101 Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Doncaster will play as 11 individuals, not a team.
Spud55 Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Doncaster will play as 11 individuals, not a team. Why? They will only be allowed 5 loan players in the matchday squad, so the majoirty of the team at all times will be Doncaster players. If you could build a first 11 based around 6 decent youngsters and 5 much higher class loan players, where is the disadvantage in that, it's in the interests of the loan players to play well as it may engineer them a move from their parent club and allow them to play regular football. Is anyone here going to say having diara on loan from Real Madrid would be a bad thing ?
chipdawg Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Why? They will only be allowed 5 loan players in the matchday squad, so the majoirty of the team at all times will be Doncaster players. If you could build a first 11 based around 6 decent youngsters and 5 much higher class loan players, where is the disadvantage in that, it's in the interests of the loan players to play well as it may engineer them a move from their parent club and allow them to play regular football. Is anyone here going to say having diara on loan from Real Madrid would be a bad thing ? Diarra is a free agent at the minute; i wonder if Del has anyn contacts that can get him interested in coming to the gate?! I'm actually very sceptical of this; in the short-term it may benefit Doncaster, but what chance of they got to build a squad? Also, when you're that reliant on loan players, what happens when (inevitably) a number of them don't work out? You have to replace them with disenfranchised, not match-fit, contracted players and juggling the 5 players you're allowed in the squad wil become increasingly difficult. If it was as simple as McKay makes out, someone would have done it before
Guest ateyomike Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 oh dear players ONLY on £7000 a week wish I was takes me 6 months to earn that !!! and then save up for new season ticket
MarcusX Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 Thoughts his comments about Doncaster fans was a little disrespectful
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