BournemouthRed Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Is my memory letting me down or do we have a fit right back on our books who has impressed in virtually all his starts for the first team? Obviously there are a lot of positions that need addressing but can anyone shed any light on why CR is being ignored?
Brizzle Jordan Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Talented but too injury prone. Can't ever see him making the RB spot his own.
BCFC Jordan Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 He's been fit a while now though. I think Millen may of fell out with him at some point and possibly might be the reason Wigley hasn't recommended him to Del boy. Pure guesswork though. Him, Spence or Edwards all should be starting ahead of Skuse though. I don't understand why Spence was dropped, he even had a good game at LB the other week.
Murraysrightplum Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Didn't millen question his mentality by saying he wouldn't play with small knocks etc? Or did I imagine it? That might have been why they fell out...
Donald Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Didn't millen question his mentality by saying he wouldn't play with small knocks etc? Or did I imagine it? That might have been why they fell out... Correct, after the Plymouth game. No doubting his ability, (even if he is a bit suspect defensively) It's a mental thing for him, every time he gets the slightest knock he's wanting to come off. If you don't have confidence in your own body, you don't put in 100%, when your not putting in 100% you start pulling out of tackles and then your no use to anyone. Perfect comparsion is Ivan Testimanu for a year gone, AMAZING player, but after he did his knee he was never the same mentally A player that needs to move on sadly.
Guest always hoping Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 He's been fit a while now though. I think Millen may of fell out with him at some point and possibly might be the reason Wigley hasn't recommended him to Del boy. Pure guesswork though. Think your conclusion & guesswork may be right. Ribs has been fit since the start of the season and played over 10 reserve matches. Hopefully new Mgr will check him out quickly and either get him to play for city or let him out on loan to get some 1st team football.. Sure he'll be happy with either outcome. With city needing players who can take the ball past players and make things happen, he may become part of the Mgt plans at some point later in the season.
notsobigfatdave Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Ribs is I understand on the radar of a couple of clubs and we did have a firm loan offer for him from several clubs during Millens tenure, one in the Championship and a couple from the lower divisions. The problem with Ribs is not ability or mentality its the perception of him by the fickle BC fans. He will no doubt get injuries in the remainder of his career, every Profesional Football player does but imagine the response from the fans when he does get injurred ?? He will be pillored up hill and down dale for the rest of his career at City. In the new managers plans or not its best for him to make a clean break and if he gets a firm offer of a loan deal and try to resurrect is flagging career at another club. If he doesnt start getting first team football soon he will end up just another couldhavebeen or playing in the semi pro leagues....which would be a great shame.
Guest annred Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Think your conclusion & guesswork may be right. Ribs has been fit since the start of the season and played over 10 reserve matches. Hopefully new Mgr will check him out quickly and either get him to play for city or let him out on loan to get some 1st team football.. Sure he'll be happy with either outcome. With city needing players who can take the ball past players and make things happen, he may become part of the Mgt plans at some point later in the season. I wonder if he could play in midfield? He has good pace, can run at teams and has good tackling ability.
Donald Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Ribs is I understand on the radar of a couple of clubs and we did have a firm loan offer for him from several clubs during Millens tenure, one in the Championship and a couple from the lower divisions. The problem with Ribs is not ability or mentality its the perception of him by the fickle BC fans. He will no doubt get injuries in the remainder of his career, every Profesional Football player does but imagine the response from the fans when he does get injurred ?? He will be pillored up hill and down dale for the rest of his career at City. In the new managers plans or not its best for him to make a clean break and if he gets a firm offer of a loan deal and try to resurrect is flagging career at another club. If he doesnt start getting first team football soon he will end up just another couldhavebeen or playing in the semi pro leagues....which would be a great shame. Nothing to do with fans views, we have all see it, Plymouth away was the perfect example, slightest knock and he wants to come off the pitch, no attempt to even runs injuries off, he's simply unreliable. Millen went public on it and I wouldn't be surprised if Derek has the same issues with him.
Redhyde Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 He didnt have a future under Millen, so he's not got an immediate go. He's got a chance to impress like everyone else. We have the perception now that he's injury prone. He can only get over that by er not getting injured for a while. We also have Jordan Spence, and Joe Edwards, and Nicky hunt, and we're still playing Skuse there. Who tbh i think should convert to being a right back, because like Bradley Orr, he doesn't have the talent to be a central midfielder. Not that I want him in the first team, but that's going to be his best bet long term if he wants to stay at this level. Millen's opinions aren't worth much, I think Del will see that soon enough too.
Redcliffe 78 Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Sicknote i have heard from several people close to the grate vine, he loves a injury that boy.
Nogbad the Bad Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 we're still playing Skuse there. Who tbh i think should convert to being a right back, because like Bradley Orr, he doesn't have the talent to be a central midfielder. Not that I want him in the first team, but that's going to be his best bet long term if he wants to stay at this level. Millen's opinions aren't worth much, I think Del will see that soon enough too. If I remember rightly Skuse made his debut (at Sheff. Weds?) at centre back and looked very promising in that position. Not sure why he was converted into a midfield player but he's now become a jack of all trades and hasn't really mastered any of them. I don't see him as a future permanent right back.
notsobigfatdave Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 Nothing to do with fans views, we have all see it, Plymouth away was the perfect example, slightest knock and he wants to come off the pitch, no attempt to even runs injuries off, he's simply unreliable. Millen went public on it and I wouldn't be surprised if Derek has the same issues with him. True enough but Ribs has played 10 or more reserve team games since then and performed well in all of them. With respect your reply admirably illustrates that my statement is correct, because Ribs has now become pigeon holed and remembered for his injurry problems rather than the fine performances he put in for City when selected. This is a stigma which will stay with him and be continually brought up by the City fans after every minor knock he receieves for as long as he stays with the Club. He has nothing to prove the new Manager or the last come to that, because we have all seen what a good player he is when he is fit and has the opportunity. I have heard a rumour that a leading Championship side wants to take him on loan and if I were him I would take the opportunity, and use it to relaunch his career with a clean slate while he is still young. It suprises me that the Club have'nt off loaded him before now becauase they have had the opportunity apparently. Also Donald with respect, at Professional level you dont run injurries off like you do in the Park on a Sunday afternon.
Redcliffe 78 Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 If I remember rightly Skuse made his debut (at Sheff. Weds?) at centre back and looked very promising in that position. Not sure why he was converted into a midfield player but he's now become a jack of all trades and hasn't really mastered any of them. I don't see him as a future permanent right back. 3-2 victory at Bournemouth i think, time for Skuse to move on i feel will most probably do him and the club good in the future always gives 100% but he has not gone onto be the player i thought he would be.
glynriley Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 True enough but Ribs has played 10 or more reserve team games since then and performed well in all of them. With respect your reply admirably illustrates that my statement is correct, because Ribs has now become pigeon holed and remembered for his injurry problems rather than the fine performances he put in for City when selected. This is a stigma which will stay with him and be continually brought up by the City fans after every minor knock he receieves for as long as he stays with the Club. He has nothing to prove the new Manager or the last come to that, because we have all seen what a good player he is when he is fit and has the opportunity. I have heard a rumour that a leading Championship side wants to take him on loan and if I were him I would take the opportunity, and use it to relaunch his career with a clean slate while he is still young. It suprises me that the Club have'nt off loaded him before now becauase they have had the opportunity apparently. Also Donald with respect, at Professional level you dont run injurries off like you do in the Park on a Sunday afternon. I think you will find he , as well as many others in the squad , have lots to prove to DMc.
Donald Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 True enough but Ribs has played 10 or more reserve team games since then and performed well in all of them. With respect your reply admirably illustrates that my statement is correct, because Ribs has now become pigeon holed and remembered for his injurry problems rather than the fine performances he put in for City when selected. This is a stigma which will stay with him and be continually brought up by the City fans after every minor knock he receieves for as long as he stays with the Club. He has nothing to prove the new Manager or the last come to that, because we have all seen what a good player he is when he is fit and has the opportunity. I have heard a rumour that a leading Championship side wants to take him on loan and if I were him I would take the opportunity, and use it to relaunch his career with a clean slate while he is still young. It suprises me that the Club have'nt off loaded him before now becauase they have had the opportunity apparently. Also Donald with respect, at Professional level you dont run injurries off like you do in the Park on a Sunday afternon. Never played Sunday League so have no idea about parks level Back in my semi-pro days when I was playing the physio and manager would always ask you if your comfortable to give it a few minutes to calm it down, the majority of players will try and shake it off a knock, indeed most players want to stay on the pitch, others always have that "mentality" even more so since the foreigners came into the game. To me it's just a simple case of him being another Lee Matthews.
Guest BCFC_Deano Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 think ur right. A bit injury prone in my liking. Spence should have the position. End of
bearded_red Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 3-2 victory at Bournemouth i think, time for Skuse to move on i feel will most probably do him and the club good in the future always gives 100% but he has not gone onto be the player i thought he would be. Wasn't his full debut against Wrexham at home playing as a sweeper in a back three?
The Bard Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 He's been fit a while now though. I think Millen may of fell out with him at some point and possibly might be the reason Wigley hasn't recommended him to Del boy. Pure guesswork though. Him, Spence or Edwards all should be starting ahead of Skuse though. I don't understand why Spence was dropped, he even had a good game at LB the other week. Must have watched a different game to you. I saw an appehensive player, prone to losing concentration, making a poor attempt to play in an unfamiliar positon. However, he does have potential. If our new man is up to much, he'll sort his head out soon enough and get him playing well again.
Guest always hoping Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 True enough but Ribs has played 10 or more reserve team games since then and performed well in all of them. With respect your reply admirably illustrates that my statement is correct, because Ribs has now become pigeon holed and remembered for his injurry problems rather than the fine performances he put in for City when selected. This is a stigma which will stay with him and be continually brought up by the City fans after every minor knock he receieves for as long as he stays with the Club. He has nothing to prove the new Manager or the last come to that, because we have all seen what a good player he is when he is fit and has the opportunity. I have heard a rumour that a leading Championship side wants to take him on loan and if I were him I would take the opportunity, and use it to relaunch his career with a clean slate while he is still young. BFD You heard correctly. only this month a loan option was turned down by the club to both championship and leagues one clubs. Difficult to understand when you read on another post today that he did not even train with the firsts. (On the other hand Wigs probably took training). Really not sure what is going on. Hopefully the new Mgr will sort out quickly.
Guest always hoping Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 Which clubs were in for him ? I find it hard to believe that any championship club would be in for a player who hasn't played a meaningful game this season. May be hard for you to believe but, it is true. As for who, some of the other fans on this forum with links to the club or players may be better placed to fill in the gaps. Either way request turned down and all in the past. Sure Ribs will enjoy playing with the u18's reserve team tomorrow.
notsobigfatdave Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 Which clubs were in for him ? I find it hard to believe that any championship club would be in for a player who hasn't played a meaningful game this season. Maybe so but it is so..perhaps they see something in Ribeiro which the BC Board also see, which has made them reluctant to accept several serious offers and loans for him.
grifty Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 Wasn't his full debut against Wrexham at home playing as a sweeper in a back three? I think it was away to Colchester. Came on at the same time as Scott Goldbourne, then played two games at centre back and got MoM in both. I always thought he'd make a decent centre back.
notsobigfatdave Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 BFD You heard correctly. only this month a loan option was turned down by the club to both championship and leagues one clubs. Difficult to understand when you read on another post today that he did not even train with the firsts. (On the other hand Wigs probably took training). Really not sure what is going on. Hopefully the new Mgr will sort out quickly. No...new incumbant aside...I wonder too sometimes. Plays well for the reserves...attracts interest from several clubs, elevated to train with the first team, gets on the bench, doesnt get on, back off the bench, back to training with the reserves....board wont sell him or let him go on loan...Im suprised the poor bugger isnt completely screwed up...enough to give any young lad mental insecurities Mind you we all know hes a raving fruit cake cus Millen said so.
Guest Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 I'm sure it doesn't help his chances when members of his family disclose information on here either. You think the management of the club don't see comments made on here?
notsobigfatdave Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 I'm sure it doesn't help his chances when members of his family disclose information on here either. You think the management of the club don't see comments made on here? Not me my friend no connection what so ever, to the club perhaps but not family Ribeiro. Anyway what if they did...hardly a secret is it ?
Guest Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 I didn't single out any individual on this thread, but yes I don't think it helps regardless of common knowledge or not? Maybe it is why he's dumped with the ressies?
B1ackbird Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 Always liked Ribs, unfortunately, when Cauker and Spence were/are getting experience with other clubs his injuries have denied him that opportunity.. physical or psycolodgical probably a bit of both..
bearded_red Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 I think it was away to Colchester. Came on at the same time as Scott Goldbourne, then played two games at centre back and got MoM in both. I always thought he'd make a decent centre back. Yeah you are right his debut off the bench was at Layer Road, but I'm pretty sure his first start was the Wrexham game...
Guest always hoping Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 I didn't single out any individual on this thread, but yes I don't think it helps regardless of common knowledge or not? Maybe it is why he's dumped with the ressies? Are you suggesting his situation is some form,of punishment? Seems a bit unfair. I think you'll be hard pressed not to be impressed by Ribs when you listen to him talk. Always positive and loyal to the club regardless of what has been happening. Surely a forum like this is just for people to express opinions and share debate on what happens on and off the pitch at City.
Monkeh Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 he is over rated and injury prone he is a defender who can't defend and he can't cross he last about 3 minutes before some one farts at him and he's out injured for 6 months git rid
Guest Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 Are you suggesting his situation is some form,of punishment? Seems a bit unfair. I think you'll be hard pressed not to be impressed by Ribs when you listen to him talk. Always positive and loyal to the club regardless of what has been happening. Surely a forum like this is just for people to express opinions and share debate on what happens on and off the pitch at City. I'm pretty sure he's probably been told so or words to those effect. I am a big CR fan and his fitness doesn't seem to be an issue any more, so what gives?
bcfcnick Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 Very talented player in my view. Unlike the likes of Marv and a lot of the current players he always strikes me as having that but of extra time on the ball and is rarely rushed - in short a composed player. When he combined with Albert it was great to watch - a genuine over-lapping full-back who can beat his man. Neither of them out did each other in terms of flair and skill and that's a compliment to both of them. I'm not entirely convinced his natural position is full-back as I could see him being a classy creative midfield player. I think some of the injury comments are a bit unfair. A cruciate ligament injury used to be the end of the career - CR has had a few niggles since but he's played regularly for the reserves in a run of games so I hope fans and new management give him a chance. In Keith Millen's run of wins at the end of last season I have a feeling Ribs was a big part of that success although I think KM dropped him at some stage.
TRL Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 If I remember rightly Skuse made his debut (at Sheff. Weds?) at centre back and looked very promising in that position. Not sure why he was converted into a midfield player but he's now become a jack of all trades and hasn't really mastered any of them. I don't see him as a future permanent right back. Ain't this the truth, I think skuse is a very capable footballer, but this is to his detriment, because he can play to a pretty good standard in a variety of positions managers have used him as a stop gap rather than letting him concentrate on one position. Fair play to the guy he never moans, and he is still pretty young. How many players at his age would have been moved around positions as much as he has? It is a tribute to his work ethic, doing what is right for the team, and in no small part his ability, that managers trust him so much to do a good job in whatever position they ask. I think he gets a bad press on this forum by many. He is a lot more talented than people give him credit for. I would not be surprised if he was the first name on the team sheet SKUSE
Guest jhowie11 Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 TBH I'm not overly convinced by Ribeiro. He started off very brightly and thought he might turn into a brilliant player, but a number of times I have watched him in the last few years, he always seems to be skinned by whatever winger he's up against, whether that was a confidence thing I don't know, but he just seemed to be beaten too many times for a full back. As for skuse, I don't see why he's treated so badly either, always liked him and think he's a very good player, would be better if he could be played in the one position and left to concentrate on that but hey ho
Donald Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 Ain't this the truth, I think skuse is a very capable footballer, but this is to his detriment, because he can play to a pretty good standard in a variety of positions managers have used him as a stop gap rather than letting him concentrate on one position. Fair play to the guy he never moans, and he is still pretty young. How many players at his age would have been moved around positions as much as he has? It is a tribute to his work ethic, doing what is right for the team, and in no small part his ability, that managers trust him so much to do a good job in whatever position they ask. I think he gets a bad press on this forum by many. He is a lot more talented than people give him credit for. I would not be surprised if he was the first name on the team sheet SKUSE WELL SAID
Monkeh Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 my problem with skuse is he's a jack of all trades and master of none, I think he is a better right back then central midfielder and have done for a while if he can pick one postion and stick with it great
bearded_red Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 Ain't this the truth, I think skuse is a very capable footballer, but this is to his detriment, because he can play to a pretty good standard in a variety of positions managers have used him as a stop gap rather than letting him concentrate on one position. Fair play to the guy he never moans, and he is still pretty young. How many players at his age would have been moved around positions as much as he has? It is a tribute to his work ethic, doing what is right for the team, and in no small part his ability, that managers trust him so much to do a good job in whatever position they ask. I think he gets a bad press on this forum by many. He is a lot more talented than people give him credit for. I would not be surprised if he was the first name on the team sheet SKUSE Very well said.
bcfcnick Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 Ain't this the truth, I think skuse is a very capable footballer, but this is to his detriment, because he can play to a pretty good standard in a variety of positions managers have used him as a stop gap rather than letting him concentrate on one position. Fair play to the guy he never moans, and he is still pretty young. How many players at his age would have been moved around positions as much as he has? It is a tribute to his work ethic, doing what is right for the team, and in no small part his ability, that managers trust him so much to do a good job in whatever position they ask. I think he gets a bad press on this forum by many. He is a lot more talented than people give him credit for. I would not be surprised if he was the first name on the team sheet SKUSE I would definitely say Skuse is more of a natural full-back than Ribeiro and likewise Ribs is a much more natural midfielder in the making than Skuse. I can barely believe that he hasn't been given a run out in that position as he really could be a gem as a creative midfielder. It's easily forgotten but Ribeiro had several man of the match performances at full-back and they weren't just for his attacking play but he oozed class as he went round players, nrought the ball forward and had time on the ball rather than hoofing it or chipping it down the line. I agree I wouldn't see him as a solid full-back although he could play wing-back in a 3 5 2. Equally I could see him playing in the centre as the creative mdfielder. Whatever Skuse's attributes (and he is technically very good) it's very difficult to play him in midfield, even in a holding position, when there is a huge doubt whether he will contribute a single goal all season. More so given the rest of the midfielders are far from prolific and aren't creating chances for the forwards. Skuse is meant to be the fastest player in the club and has got a good engine, so here's hoping he can make the full-back position his own and excel there.
screech Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 I've seen nothing in Ribeiro to convince me he is good enough to be a right back in the championship. He gets caught out of position far too much, because he likes to get forward and doesn't have the stamina to get back. I personally think he would make a better central midfielder, we don't have anyone in central midfield who likes to get beyond the forwards. Ribs is a good passer and can go past a man, I think the position would be made for him.
TRL Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 I've seen nothing in Ribeiro to convince me he is good enough to be a right back in the championship. He gets caught out of position far too much, because he likes to get forward and doesn't have the stamina to get back. I personally think he would make a better central midfielder, we don't have anyone in central midfield who likes to get beyond the forwards. Ribs is a good passer and can go past a man, I think the position would be made for him. Maybe a Buccaneering midfielder who ca push through the centre of midfield with the ball at his feet picking out passes, with the bonus of being able to defend. I agree, he gets beaten quite a bit with any type of tricky winger, I lost count the number of times he has been nutmegged in games, and left on the back foot when turned. I think he has a talent, just not in a defensive area. And he has to lose the glass man tag, needs to realise you can actually play through a little pain.
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