Guest harvey Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I expect this is old thread but, i will ask. Going on yesterdays perfomance and with the season ahead loomng, is there a place for Pitman. it seems Del is after another Striker. Is ther a place for Brett? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 With only three senior strikers (Stead, Taylor and Pitman) I'd suggest we'd be a little light if we shipped him out, even with another coming in. Four strikers, two 'finishers' (Pitman and Baldock) and two 'target men' (Taylor and Stead) sounds right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Taunton_Red Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 From what I saw yesterday (people may disagree), but I saw a bigger change in Pitman's work rate in closing play down, making runs in behind and linking play up, as well as having a couple of chances. He must stay, gives competition up front and he is something different, he's a goal-scorer and you can't just let players like him go, give him games and if he doesn't perform, give other strikers a chance (Taylor/hopefully Baldock) and rotate to the players who are performing well up front as a pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest harvey Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 good shout....sounds good to me too. and going on yesterdayss performance? how do you think he did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tins Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 It all depends who we bring in, by having 7 subs this season I believe we need 2 strikers on the bench. I am happy with Taylor as a sub, depending on fitness, and Pitman would also be a great sub however we have no other strikers. If we sign Baldock and another striker i.e. Hunt then I wouldn't mind seeing Pitman leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy273 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 good shout....sounds good to me too. and going on yesterdayss performance? how do you think he did? Unlucky i think, he placed the ball as opposed to putting his foot through it hence it hit the crossbar. Needs to work on target practice because he had so many shots just no finish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Taunton_Red Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I thought he played decent, should of taken one of his two chances, hitting the bar coming from a top class Mark Wilson cross, (not on the highlights - don't know why!) and skying a shot from 18 yards but his link up play with the midfield and the full backs along with Stead seemed to bring an all-round good team performance. He'll get 20-30 mins against Southampton, hopefully he can stake a claim up front in that game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy-d Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Pitman I aint a fan!! still aint a fan!! I thought I saw him Run off with the rovers fans, PLEASE Dont Come Back!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 The only thing wrong with yesterday's performance from Pitman was not scoring when he should have. I am sure with a decent run in the side he'll put those sorts of chances away, just as he has before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiz Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 The only thing wrong with yesterday's performance from Pitman was not scoring when he should have. I am sure with a decent run in the side he'll put those sorts of chances away, just as he has before. I agree but thought he was over anxious yesterday and as you say had a great game except scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brislingwood Red Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 From what I saw yesterday (people may disagree), but I saw a bigger change in Pitman's work rate in closing play down, making runs in behind and linking play up, as well as having a couple of chances. He must stay, gives competition up front and he is something different, he's a goal-scorer and you can't just let players like him go, give him games and if he doesn't perform, give other strikers a chance (Taylor/hopefully Baldock) and rotate to the players who are performing well up front as a pair. 100%. Thought he was team orientated but looked over anxious in front of goal, maybe an over eagerness to silence the doubters. With games and sharpness he'll be an asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCAGFC Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 BP looked fitter/trimmer than he has ever been yesterday, long may it continue. BCAGFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 With only three senior strikers (Stead, Taylor and Pitman) I'd suggest we'd be a little light if we shipped him out, even with another coming in. Four strikers, two 'finishers' (Pitman and Baldock) and two 'target men' (Taylor and Stead) sounds right to me. I know some people hate it when you just post "this" but ... this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderincornwall Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 With only three senior strikers (Stead, Taylor and Pitman) I'd suggest we'd be a little light if we shipped him out, even with another coming in. Four strikers, two 'finishers' (Pitman and Baldock) and two 'target men' (Taylor and Stead) sounds right to me. Couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sidebet Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Piman finally looks like hes losing some weight!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 BP looked fitter/trimmer than he has ever been yesterday, long may it continue. BCAGFC That was the one thing I noticed too. He was unlucky not to score, he worked hard. He must stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 No-one questions that Pitman is a great finisher but history shows us that neither Millen or McInnes fancied him as an automatic starter. Main reason for that, a persistent lowly league position and having to play one up top frequently meant him on the bench behind Maynard and then Stead. His all round game isn't suited to the lone striker role. I think Pitman has to grab every opportunity he gets to impress and make himself undroppable. I reckon his early season will start off with him on the bench particularly if Baldock signs and he'll be restricted to sub appearances. Its then he'll have to make the most of his chances. If he can then he'll give McInnes something else to thing about when selecting his front men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevecity86 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I think we need Pitman at the moment, not sure whether he will stay if we get Baldock though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 The only thing wrong with yesterday's performance from Pitman was not scoring when he should have. I am sure with a decent run in the side he'll put those sorts of chances away, just as he has before. I more or less agree with this. He was uncharacteristically wasteful yesterday for someone who's normally quite a composed finisher. And whoever it was who said he looked "over-anxious" was also right, I think: he looked almost nervy, as though on trial or having something to prove, which - to judge from the amount of discussion about his future - perhaps he has. That in turn may account for the fact that he certainly put his shift in (one common criticism, with which I don't necessarily agree, being that he doesn't work hard enough). He was unlucky in some ways, in that he was no longer on the pitch by the time Rovers were being run ragged by a fitter, superior side. We created a succession of openings in the last twenty minutes, in particular, and it could quite easily have ended 5-0. I'd have fancied Pitman to cash in then, if he'd still been out there. He'd certainly have buried the glaring opportunity Holloway missed from Anderson's perfect centre. On balance, I'm with those who think there is a place in the squad for a player like him, but like most strikers, confidence is an issue and he has not been helped by having to be a bit part player during a difficult last season. That said, if Baldock and Hunt were to arrive, I can only see one outcome. Pity, but that's football, I suppose. Somebody will get a very useful goal scorer if he leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Mat Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Stay, certainly. It's pretty clear that at this level you need four strikers - and ones that offer you variety, something different. We already have three strikers who are all very different, and what McInnes has said about his fourth striker, suggests he's after someone different again. Stead: is a hard worker who likes to run the channels - he's not a target man, despite how some on here describe, but he can hold the ball up well and link play. Taylor: tall, less mobile, definitely the target man, he's the Andy Carroll-type option - the man to add a different dynamic and to unsettle a defence. Pitman: likes to drop deep, he's clever and can link play really well - he doesn't get in the six yard area much, he does mist work around the edge of the box, but he can finish brilliantly. New striker: what are we missing? Someone small, fast and hard to mark - someone who likes to play off the shoulder of the last defender and can finish. A Leroy Lita-type, if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter Griffin Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 i thought he was unlucky yesterday hitting the bar he seems to try hard but doesn't always come off one thing i didn't like was the nasty challenges he was going in for he seemed just to be diving in a bit carelessly and we all saw him get sent off with another one of those challenges at the end of last season i like him he a great finisher but is he are best option at the minute... i think so until we get someone like baldock or hunt or even davis dont want him to go anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rovers-ran-away Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I don't think pitman is as good as what everybody proclaims. He just seems slow to react and even slower to move! But that's just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aberporthbcfc Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 With only three senior strikers (Stead, Taylor and Pitman) I'd suggest we'd be a little light if we shipped him out, even with another coming in. Four strikers, two 'finishers' (Pitman and Baldock) and two 'target men' (Taylor and Stead) sounds right to me. +1 that!! sounds like a decent strike force imo. Would love ross mccormack or Dobbie but doesn't look likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 6oclockcrew Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 The answer to this is simple, and is decided during the 90 minutes he playes or within 5 minutes after. If he scores hes great and we keep him, but if he doesnt people decide he doesnt look interested or decide hes not quick enough and he should go. He didnt score yesterday so I guess he should go, which is why this post has even been started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rovers-ran-away Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 The answer to this is simple, and is decided during the 90 minutes he playes or within 5 minutes after. If he scores hes great and we keep him, but if he doesnt people decide he doesnt look interested or decide hes not quick enough and he should go. He didnt score yesterday so I guess he should go, which is why this post has even been started. Overrated imo he's a poacher that does not poach much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 How anyone can say that Pitman isn't a decent footballer for this level baffles me We would be unlikely to improve upon him imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rovers-ran-away Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 How anyone can say that Pitman isn't a decent footballer for this level baffles me We would be unlikely to improve upon him imo Decent yes. Id rather have stead though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 If he goes, wherever it is (burnleh) we'll see him score 15+ a season. Great finisher, great pen taker and looks like he'd score a few fk! and I hope he stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Decent yes. Id rather have stead though Why? I like stead, but I'm interested to know why you'd rather have a striker who is guaranteed to score you sod all goals is a better choice than a striker who can score goals? Pitman with a run of games can and will score you goals, he got 13 in his first season at this level, has stead ever got 13 goals at any level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freezer Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 He is destined to score about 12 goals this season, 4 or 5 of which are absolute corkers. In between he'll probably frustrate the hell out of Mcinness, moan a lot about the service he gets and continue to divide opinion. He'll have some games when he is virtually useless prompting similar debates to this one. My guess is that Del doesn't see him as part of his long term plans, but we are not strong in that department so we won't be selling him until we have further options. I'll have 25p with anyone that we sell him in January and get a replacement in. He'll go to a struggling Championship side or to a League one side chasing promotion as that is his level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rovers-ran-away Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Why? I like stead, but I'm interested to know why you'd rather have a striker who is guaranteed to score you sod all goals is a better choice than a striker who can score goals? Pitman with a run of games can and will score you goals, he got 13 in his first season at this level, has stead ever got 13 goals at any level? Stead has done ALOT more than pitman in his career and others have said the passion he shows for this club is as if he was born and bs3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Stead has done ALOT more than pitman in his career and others have said the passion he shows for this club is as if he was born and bs3! They are different types of striker. Pitman is a poacher and excellent finisher. He relies on service to be at his best, something he hasn't had much of during his City spell. Stead fills the 'target man' type role perfectly. Tall and strong, he holds up the ball, will give defenders a hard time and bag a few goals himself. If the two played a whole season together Pitman would get more goals, probably twice as many as Stead. With Stead you get 100% commitment and a few goals. With Pitman you don't get the same commitment but you do get a lot more goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 he very much reminds me of when we had Mark Robins on loan. Did not do much outside the box but knew how to finish. Thing is, with Robins he scored summot like 6 goals in 8 games for us or summot daft like that so he was always a goal scoring threat. Pitman has played out wide to accommodate and cannot play up front on his own. i imagine if he had a run in the team he would score goals, but not to Robins' ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I'm not bretts biggest fan but I think he'll stay unless we bring in two strikers then his cards are marked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Yep. 2 or 3 times. 24 in one season for Huddersfield. Quality forward (ex England U-21 and Premier League) that brings a lot to any team and lays on chances for team mates as well as chipping in with a few. As opposed to an ex Bournemouth player. And that would be the only time he has ever scored more than 13 goals in a season, being an England u-21 means nothing, there are plenty of ex u-21 internationals mincing around in leagues 1 and 2. Steads time in the prem was largely seen as an utterly dismal failure, he was garbage for Blackburn and Sunderland and managed what 10 goals in 3/4 years in the prem, and was generally thought of as laughably bad by pundits, his time in the prem is really nothing to get excited about. With all the chances he creates how many assists did stead get last season? As I said I like stead a lot as a player, but he's never going to get goals, players who work hard and play like stead are relatively common in this league, goal scorers are not hence my question. P.s love the way you bring up Bournemouth with regard to pitman, yet conveniently forget that Stead was playing at the same level with Huddersfield when he actually scored some goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ricardo 'Livi' Red Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Anyone get the feeling that he could be ready to head out..? Derby..? Burnley..? Could be the funding to take on Wilson as well as the 2-3 players Del wants..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil78 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 How about we keep him until a proven replacement is signed. Only poacher at the club, would be stupid to flog him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 If we ship him out I will lose a little bit of trust in the management. That's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ricardo 'Livi' Red Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 If we ship him out I will lose a little bit of trust in the management. That's just my opinion. Don't see that..? Expand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 How about we keep him until a proven replacement is signed. Only poacher at the club, would be stupid to flog him. Too right. At present we have 3 strikers, one of whom has never started a game at Championship level, we'd be mad to let him go unless we already had a replacement signed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ricardo 'Livi' Red Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Too right. At present we have 3 strikers, one of whom has never started a game at Championship level, we'd be mad to let him go unless we already had a replacement signed up. Could be exactly what may happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Horsman Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 They are different types of striker. Pitman is a poacher and excellent finisher. He relies on service to be at his best, something he hasn't had much of during his City spell. Stead fills the 'target man' type role perfectly. Tall and strong, he holds up the ball, will give defenders a hard time and bag a few goals himself. If the two played a whole season together Pitman would get more goals, probably twice as many as Stead. With Stead you get 100% commitment and a few goals. With Pitman you don't get the same commitment but you do get a lot more goals. Good point! Never heard too many moans about Goater when he was at City, yet he could appear like the most uncommitted, lazy looking laid back player on the pitch then in a flash, he scored. I like and admire Jon Stead's commitment and application but honestly don't believe he'll score more than 10 however well we do. Pitman could easily get 15-20 in the right set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Brett Pitman is the ONLY prolific goalscorer we have at the club... ...and some are saying sell him... ...Jesus H Christ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest harvey Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Some really good views.. seems like the vast majority suggest we should keep him. I tend to agree thansk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Don't see that..? Expand... Imo he's the most natural attacking footballer aside from Albert in the squad. The lad has a very good footballing brain for this level - he sees passes, link ups and positional opportunities that not a lot of players have the mental ability to understand, let alone fans. Even if he lacks the mobility of certain players, he should be kept at this club because if he goes to a rival in this league I feel he will do reasonably well for himself. Just goes to show though, pace and power are preferred over cultured ability by many. The sooner the English game breaks away from this mentality the better. And Superjack is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 He is the most prolific striker we have. He is also the only player at the club who can score a goal out of nothing. How can you sell a player like that? Ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiz Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Imo he's the most natural attacking footballer aside from Albert in the squad. The lad has a very good footballing brain for this level - he sees passes, link ups and positional opportunities that not a lot of players have the mental ability to understand, let alone fans. Even if he lacks the mobility of certain players, he should be kept at this club because if he goes to a rival in this league I feel he will do reasonably well for himself. Just goes to show though, pace and power are preferred over cultured ability by many. The sooner the English game breaks away from this mentality the better. And Superjack is right. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rovers-ran-away Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 So why can our manager not see this so obvious ability ? My view , which is as right or wrong as everyone else's, is that Brett is a good finisher, and a pretty good striker of a ball, dead ball too. Will score goals, but you need to build a team around him, a team to carry him. His work rate is poor, he does not defend from the front, offers minimal physical presence, and has average pace, and offers no aerial threat on crosses. Now with a move away from classical 4-4-2 line ups, Brett will become less useful to a team,but, lets say along a young Adebola type player, then you could see him fitting in, but not with the current move towards one up front, or at least one up front with a very mobile second forward in the hole. Brett does not fit the system, and is probably not good enough to convince the manager to build a team around him. So he is stuck to a bit part role. It also seems from afar his attitude, or application is not always as determined as is required, and one thing we should all have learnt from the last two years is that in our league you need a very high work rate, concentration and application, it will take you far. Brett, good player, never a Prem player in a million years, but with a team set up to cover for him, will score goals at League 1 and Championship level. I just do not see it at City. P.S As for the point about pace, power and cultured ability, go see live if you have not, the top players from for example Spain, they have it all. The pace and movement is frightening. Even messi, small as he is, try getting the ball off him, his strength is amazing, and the pace he moves at extraordinary. Or closer to home, Rooney. The idea of some weak, slow maestro calling the shots with amazing ability is from a different era. In a small way, Jody Morris will, as it is his last chance, show a bit of what is missing from Pitmans game.If he takes up the City challenge as I think he will, you will see what I mean. Brett has to change a few gears if he wants a future at City. Agree with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 So why can our manager not see this so obvious ability ? My view , which is as right or wrong as everyone else's, is that Brett is a good finisher, and a pretty good striker of a ball, dead ball too. Will score goals, but you need to build a team around him, a team to carry him. His work rate is poor, he does not defend from the front, offers minimal physical presence, and has average pace, and offers no aerial threat on crosses. Now with a move away from classical 4-4-2 line ups, Brett will become less useful to a team,but, lets say along a young Adebola type player, then you could see him fitting in, but not with the current move towards one up front, or at least one up front with a very mobile second forward in the hole. Brett does not fit the system, and is probably not good enough to convince the manager to build a team around him. So he is stuck to a bit part role. It also seems from afar his attitude, or application is not always as determined as is required, and one thing we should all have learnt from the last two years is that in our league you need a very high work rate, concentration and application, it will take you far. Brett, good player, never a Prem player in a million years, but with a team set up to cover for him, will score goals at League 1 and Championship level. I just do not see it at City. P.S As for the point about pace, power and cultured ability, go see live if you have not, the top players from for example Spain, they have it all. The pace and movement is frightening. Even messi, small as he is, try getting the ball off him, his strength is amazing, and the pace he moves at extraordinary. Or closer to home, Rooney. The idea of some weak, slow maestro calling the shots with amazing ability is from a different era. In a small way, Jody Morris will, as it is his last chance, show a bit of what is missing from Pitmans game.If he takes up the City challenge as I think he will, you will see what I mean. Brett has to change a few gears if he wants a future at City. Top class post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ricardo 'Livi' Red Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 So why can our manager not see this so obvious ability ? My view , which is as right or wrong as everyone else's, is that Brett is a good finisher, and a pretty good striker of a ball, dead ball too. Will score goals, but you need to build a team around him, a team to carry him. His work rate is poor, he does not defend from the front, offers minimal physical presence, and has average pace, and offers no aerial threat on crosses. Now with a move away from classical 4-4-2 line ups, Brett will become less useful to a team,but, lets say along a young Adebola type player, then you could see him fitting in, but not with the current move towards one up front, or at least one up front with a very mobile second forward in the hole. Brett does not fit the system, and is probably not good enough to convince the manager to build a team around him. So he is stuck to a bit part role. It also seems from afar his attitude, or application is not always as determined as is required, and one thing we should all have learnt from the last two years is that in our league you need a very high work rate, concentration and application, it will take you far. Brett, good player, never a Prem player in a million years, but with a team set up to cover for him, will score goals at League 1 and Championship level. I just do not see it at City. P.S As for the point about pace, power and cultured ability, go see live if you have not, the top players from for example Spain, they have it all. The pace and movement is frightening. Even messi, small as he is, try getting the ball off him, his strength is amazing, and the pace he moves at extraordinary. Or closer to home, Rooney. The idea of some weak, slow maestro calling the shots with amazing ability is from a different era. In a small way, Jody Morris will, as it is his last chance, show a bit of what is missing from Pitmans game.If he takes up the City challenge as I think he will, you will see what I mean. Brett has to change a few gears if he wants a future at City. Excellent post... Are you sure your not Del or Doc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 So why can our manager not see this so obvious ability ? I think he can - but he isnt going to play to Pitman's strengths. I can only speculate on this but I believe that there's something a conflict of personalities between the two. Which for the team is bad. His work rate is poor, he does not defend from the front, offers minimal physical presence, and has average pace, and offers no aerial threat on crosses. Can't say I agree with all of that - his work rate is good offensively, as I said he finds the space that only the better players can but we don't have the players who can clock onto what he's doing, Albert aside. Also if we're talking about defending from the front Albert was very suspect in the second half of last season. I think that this comes down to good man management - individual players should have their weaker parts of their match play adressed by the management. It also seems from afar his attitude, or application is not always as determined as is required, and one thing we should all have learnt from the last two years is that in our league you need a very high work rate, concentration and application, it will take you far. I'll agree that with lesser quality players a very high work rate is needed. With quality players it's unlikely you'll see the buzzing around like a headless chicken because they have tend to preserve themselves for when we are on the offense. Again, I'm not saying this is right but I'd take his attitude problems at times (if i was manager) because of the other things he brings to the team. Also good man management comes into this again, getting the best out of the players available and improving their game as best you can. It wouldn't take that long to show Pitman simple ways of pressing defenders that don't knacker him out but also shows to everyone that he is commited to the cause and is "working hard" Brett, good player, never a Prem player in a million years, but with a team set up to cover for him, will score goals at League 1 and Championship level. I just do not see it at City. I can only speculate as to his future level. It probably is championship but who knows. And you are right, he will score at Championship level - so why let him go? The last thing I want to hear at the gate this season is "Ah, there's Pitman liening up for club XXXXX" "Yeah, it was good to get him off the wage bill wasn't it" "Shit 0-1 Pitman" And so on. for P.S As for the point about pace, power and cultured ability, go see live if you have not, the top players from for example Spain, they have it all... But do they play at 100 mph for the whole game a.la Premier League football and top end championship? No, the pace is used as an added weapon in the arsenal behind their natural footballing attributes. Plus comparing our players to Messi and Rooney is a bit much... well maybe not Rooney - how about some of the second division Spanish sides? I don't think they'll be quite as insistent on blistering pace and brute strength over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. Bottom line for me is simply that he is too good to waste and personally it drives me bananas when obvious talent isn't appreciated/ recognised. I can't really agree with any of your points I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Oh and I think he probably would adapt to second division Spanish football pretty well. English players don't make those sort of moves because the Spanish youth football programme is better than ours so they produce an abundance of players with much better ability both practically and mentally than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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