Kid in the Riot Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Just got two Forest tickets from the club shop. Bloke in front of me: 'Can I have two tickets for Gillingham game in Dolman?' Shop assistant: 'Sorry only the Williams and East End are open.' Bloke: 'Oh, I won't bother then' And walks out the shop! The crowd for Saints game seemed very much on the low side at 2,600 whereas we've previously attracted approx 4k for games like that. I just wonder if a lot of fans who enjoy the Dolman and Atyeo experience for the bars and lack of pillars (better view) are just missing these games. Therefore is it actually worth so much to the club financially by closing these stands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobArnold10 Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Stewarding costs, running the Dolman Bar, light and heat and water rates. All cost a lot more than you'd realise, and frankly, considering it's only Gillingham (no disrespect to Gills) if you get say 6k attendance spread across the stands the profit on the game will likely be tiny. If you got 5k across the two stands, you'd probably make a lot better profit I'd wager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Cheesey Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I went online and discovered the same thing, didn't want to get a poor seat in the Williams so I also gave it a miss! I suspect I am not the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Just got two Forest tickets from the club shop. Bloke in front of me: 'Can I have two tickets for Gillingham game in Dolman?' Shop assistant: 'Sorry only the Williams and East End are open.' Bloke: 'Oh, I won't bother then' And walks out the shop! The crowd for Saints game seemed very much on the low side at 2,600 whereas we've previously attracted approx 4k for games like that. I just wonder if a lot of fans who enjoy the Dolman and Atyeo experience for the bars and lack of pillars (better view) are just missing these games. Therefore is it actually worth so much to the club financially by closing these stands? no excause for not knowing this its been advtised for ages, Yes it does save alot of money, No kiosk venders in the two stands No Turn style operators in the two stands No Stewards in the two stands No power needed in the two stands it will save the club about 30 - 40k i reckon, there won#'t be much intrested (look at the last 4 seasons attendances for this we've struggled to get 7k for these games) Last season 7.7k against local Swindon 2008/9 5.5k against Peterborough There just isn't enough intrest to warrent the whole ground to be open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBCFC Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I went online and discovered the same thing, didn't want to get a poor seat in the Williams so I also gave it a miss! I suspect I am not the only one. Williams will be half empty, so wait for kick off then move and get another seat. Easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Can you pay on the day for this game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Our group has decided not to go to these games because we could not sit in our season ticket seats in the Dolman. The Williams Stand is generally a poor viewing experience and I would prefer to pay a bit more and sit where I normally sit in Dolman block D. For the Southampton and Gillingham games that is a total of 6 ticket, 6 pints of beer, 6 pie and chips in the Exhibition hall and 6 programmes. Even more expensive is the fact that I now realise that I can miss matches without withdrawal symptoms. This decision could cost the club a great deal of money over the months and years ahead. If they are only going to open one stand then let it be the Dolman because it has the best views, holds over 7000 people and should make a profit by opening the facilities under the stand to all City fans. Some might then see for the first time what is on offer and it may lead to better sales of season tickets in the Dolman, which tends to cost more than other stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted August 10, 2012 Author Share Posted August 10, 2012 no excause for not knowing this its been advtised for ages, Yes good point, maybe they just should've refused to serve him on principle! Not everyone has as much time as it seems the population of OTIB have (myself included) to check every last detail of arrangements for games. I just think it's a shame that this is going to stop people going and result in a smaller crowd. Don't you agree? And all those things you list, well: Less programme sales Less sales of hot food Less sales of booze Less merchandise sold Less repeat custom? and perhaps most importantly a poorer atmosphere and diminishment of home advantage If the difference in cost is huge then I suppose you have to say fair enough but I hope the club do look at the figures and see if it's worth freezing out some fans to save money. I can see 3,500 next Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Big mistake by the club. Can understand friendly games but not a competitive match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiz Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 i do not get why they insist on the williams and not the dolman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 i do not get why they insist on the williams and not the dolman. for the hundreth time, its where all the media, chairman and main offices are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Big mistake by the club. Can understand friendly games but not a competitive match. why? there will be no more then 6000 there, previous cup ties is proof of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiz Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 keep yer knickers on straight mate. I am new here and am now aware of the logic. As a person and city head i try to be positive and was stating i didn't know why, now i do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest willie pullar Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Our group has decided not to go to these games because we could not sit in our season ticket seats in the Dolman. The Williams Stand is generally a poor viewing experience and I would prefer to pay a bit more and sit where I normally sit in Dolman block D. For the Southampton and Gillingham games that is a total of 6 ticket, 6 pints of beer, 6 pie and chips in the Exhibition hall and 6 programmes. Even more expensive is the fact that I now realise that I can miss matches without withdrawal symptoms. This decision could cost the club a great deal of money over the months and years ahead. If they are only going to open one stand then let it be the Dolman because it has the best views, holds over 7000 people and should make a profit by opening the facilities under the stand to all City fans. Some might then see for the first time what is on offer and it may lead to better sales of season tickets in the Dolman, which tends to cost more than other stands. what about a group of season ticket holders in the williams that dont want to move seats to the dolman ? Its the same for them . If you REALLY wanted to see this game then you would . If enough fans were interested then all stands would be open anyway , but they are not . In times like this when money can be saved do you really expect anything else from the club ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 keep yer knickers on straight mate. I am new here and am now aware of the logic. As a person and city head i try to be positive and was stating i didn't know why, now i do. aye it was uncalled for sorry fella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cliftonville Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 It would not be hard for Bristol Citys directors to explain how these decisions are taken. Few specific details could change the odd mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS15_RED Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 The Dolman and Atyeo were both fully illuminated on Tuesday night, so the club never saved a penny there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MrVinta8 Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Can you pay on the day for this game? yea im gonna p.o.d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 It would not be hard for Bristol Citys directors to explain how these decisions are taken. Few specific details could change the odd mind. they have done when it was announced, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cliftonville Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 they have done when it was announced, I can recall reading a short statement regarding saving money, but it was hardly specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I can recall reading a short statement regarding saving money, but it was hardly specific. that would be it, I only scanned it I stand corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCfan Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Book the ticket online and you can pick your seat and see the view from that seat. Plenty of decent views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I really can't believe that anyone who wants to go to the game, would not, just because (due to understandable cost savings with a low crowd) their usual stand of choice is not available for the odd game. My season ticket is in the Dolman. Would I rather sit there... Yes. Does it really matter for a one off game and will I be getting a hissy fit on about having to sit in the Williams.... No, of course not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrowe Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 It sound petty, but one issue I have is it looks awful on TV, particularly on SSN (i.e. an empty stand along an entire side of the pitch). For these games they should film from the Dolman to give a better impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBCFC Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I really can't believe that anyone who wants to go to the game, would not, just because (due to understandable cost savings with a low crowd) their usual stand of choice is not available for the odd game. My season ticket is in the Dolman. Would I rather sit there... Yes. Does it really matter for a one off game and will I be getting a hissy fit on about having to sit in the Williams.... No, of course not! This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBCFC Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 It sound petty, but one issue I have is it looks awful on TV, particularly on SSN (i.e. an empty stand along an entire side of the pitch). For these games they should film from the Dolman to give a better impression. Like Blackpool, Middlesbrough and hull throughout last season? Not a big deal for a league cup game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 It sound petty, but one issue I have is it looks awful on TV, particularly on SSN (i.e. an empty stand along an entire side of the pitch). For these games they should film from the Dolman to give a better impression. there is no where for the cameras to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 what about a group of season ticket holders in the williams that dont want to move seats to the dolman ? Its the same for them . If you REALLY wanted to see this game then you would . If enough fans were interested then all stands would be open anyway , but they are not . In times like this when money can be saved do you really expect anything else from the club ? That does not get over the problem that a significant number of people in the Williams will have to endure a crappy view - as I had to in Gerry Gow's match, and that the exhibition hall food and booze outlets are not available unless the Dolman is used. The fact hat the offices and posh people are in the Williams would simply entail keeping their part open. I sympathies with anyone who is jogged out of their normal rut like I have been - but surely the greater common good would be solved by using the Dolman - and then the club would just haveto use one stand!. That - and the use of the food and drink outlets would, in all likelihood, be more cost effective for the club and mre satisfactory for the majority of fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 That does not get over the problem that a significant number of people in the Williams will have to endure a crappy view - as I had to in Gerry Gow's match, and that the exhibition hall food and booze outlets are not available unless the Dolman is used. The fact hat the offices and posh people are in the Williams would simply entail keeping their part open. I sympathies with anyone who is jogged out of their normal rut like I have been - but surely the greater common good would be solved by using the Dolman - and then the club would just haveto use one stand!. That - and the use of the food and drink outlets would, in all likelihood, be more cost effective for the club and mre satisfactory for the majority of fans. Main office for stewards is in the williams the media office is in the williams the chairmans office is in the williams the tv stuff is in the williams why the **** would they stop everyone using this just to satisfy a few hundred people (I bet there will be no more the 5000 people at this game) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 No offence but.........Don't be so selfish! You want the club to take a financial hit just so you and your pals can have a pie and beer? Grow up mate. Sonny, if I grow up any more, I will be dead because I am over 60!! If you read the other reply that I gave to another poster you will see a reasoned argument or using the Dolman. Only one stand would need to be opened, the food and booze outlets could maximise profits, the club offices and posh seats in the Williams could still be used. fans get better views and facilities. Not selfish - and should make more money for he club because more of the habitual Dolmanites would turn up - and it is the biggest stand in the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCAGFC Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 No disabled facilities in the Dolman. BCAGFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiz Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 do the gas players eat lunch in the dolman after training. Just it would explain thing six pie and chips and six pints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonburyRed Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 We can see from previous attendances that there is not the groundswell of support for these games as there might be for league games, and in these increasingly austere times why not save a bit of cash. Seems to me to be a decision taken based upon common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Will be bizarre having no fans in Atyeo for City players to celebrate in front of after hitting the net ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrowe Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 there is no where for the cameras to go It would not take much to set a camara up at the back of the Dolman, or from the walk way above the family enclosure. I seem to recall, from a pre-season friendly agaisnt Nottingham Forest in the mid-2000's that we did this; so it is not insurmountable. Although, for one game, it is probably not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Our group has decided not to go to these games because we could not sit in our season ticket seats in the Dolman. The Williams Stand is generally a poor viewing experience and I would prefer to pay a bit more and sit where I normally sit in Dolman block D. For the Southampton and Gillingham games that is a total of 6 ticket, 6 pints of beer, 6 pie and chips in the Exhibition hall and 6 programmes. Even more expensive is the fact that I now realise that I can miss matches without withdrawal symptoms. This decision could cost the club a great deal of money over the months and years ahead. If they are only going to open one stand then let it be the Dolman because it has the best views, holds over 7000 people and should make a profit by opening the facilities under the stand to all City fans. Some might then see for the first time what is on offer and it may lead to better sales of season tickets in the Dolman, which tends to cost more than other stands. Just for clarity , the Dolman holds 6195. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Threshersleftboot Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 no excause for not knowing this its been advtised for ages, Yes it does save alot of money, No kiosk venders in the two stands No Turn style operators in the two stands No Stewards in the two stands No power needed in the two stands it will save the club about 30 - 40k i reckon, there won#'t be much intrested (look at the last 4 seasons attendances for this we've struggled to get 7k for these games) Last season 7.7k against local Swindon 2008/9 5.5k against Peterborough There just isn't enough intrest to warrent the whole ground to be open I sometimes find it hard to believe that weve got a billionaire funding our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I sometimes find it hard to believe that weve got a billionaire funding our club. we have and we are also trying to reduce running costs you do remember we are currently losing 12 million a season which is under written by our wealthy owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Threshersleftboot Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 we have and we are also trying to reduce running costs you do remember we are currently losing 12 million a season which is under written by our wealthy owner Our turnstile operators and kiosk workers must be on a huge hourly rate if we are going to make the sort of savings you suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sbred Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Our turnstile operators and kiosk workers must be on a huge hourly rate if we are going to make the sort of savings you suggest. What do you suggest? Lets pay them anyway, and open two stands for no reason? Thats bound to save a few £££ isnt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Our turnstile operators and kiosk workers must be on a huge hourly rate if we are going to make the sort of savings you suggest. sigh, power stewards police kiosk venders turnstile operators all require money not opening the stands saves money, the club said if there was enough intrest in the game the would open the stand, as there isn't enough intrest in the game they will remain closed, not hard to understand is it, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MrVinta8 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Our group has decided not to go to these games because we could not sit in our season ticket seats in the Dolman. The Williams Stand is generally a poor viewing experience and I would prefer to pay a bit more and sit where I normally sit in Dolman block D. For the Southampton and Gillingham games that is a total of 6 ticket, 6 pints of beer, 6 pie and chips in the Exhibition hall and 6 programmes. Even more expensive is the fact that I now realise that I can miss matches without withdrawal symptoms. This decision could cost the club a great deal of money over the months and years ahead. If they are only going to open one stand then let it be the Dolman because it has the best views, holds over 7000 people and should make a profit by opening the facilities under the stand to all City fans. Some might then see for the first time what is on offer and it may lead to better sales of season tickets in the Dolman, which tends to cost more than other stands. Its one game!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I always sit in a different stand for these games anyway. Sensible move by the club. I have to say there are some unbelievably thick and selfish people on here. If anyone is saying they are not going because they cannot sit in their usual stand (not their usual seat mind, their usual stand), I would say they are probably lying and didn't intend to go to the game anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sbred Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 not hard to understand is it, The worrying thing is, i think it is hard to understand for some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VillageRed Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Normally sit in the Dolman, tonight I have an undreserved seat in the East End, makes a nice change, why are people so precious about it? It's only a tenner, get down there and support your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Threshersleftboot Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 The worrying thing is, i think it is hard to understand for some people. I suppose i can only dream that at some stage in my life i will reach your intellectual level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yatecidereds Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I really can't believe that anyone who wants to go to the game, would not, just because (due to understandable cost savings with a low crowd) their usual stand of choice is not available for the odd game. My season ticket is in the Dolman. Would I rather sit there... Yes. Does it really matter for a one off game and will I be getting a hissy fit on about having to sit in the Williams.... No, of course not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yatecidereds Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Here here ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Consider things from a players point of view. Half the ground closed. It'll be like a reserve game and that could affect how the players 'get up' for the game. Should City get beaten then how much revenue will the club lose then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Consider things from a players point of view. Half the ground closed. It'll be like a reserve game and that could affect how the players 'get up' for the game. Should City get beaten then how much revenue will the club lose then? the whole ground hasn't been shut in the last few home defeats in the cup so it doesn't make one jot robbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aberporthbcfc Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I sometimes find it hard to believe that weve got a billionaire funding our club. One reason why people are rich is becuase they are tight and he wants the club to stand on its own two feet not just relying on him all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Consider things from a players point of view. Half the ground closed. It'll be like a reserve game and that could affect how the players 'get up' for the game. Should City get beaten then how much revenue will the club lose then? We have been playing to half empty grounds through pre-season and have done well. Will make no difference and City won't budget to make it through any cup games I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 We have been playing to half empty grounds through pre-season and have done well. Will make no difference and City won't budget to make it through any cup games I expect. unlike the blue few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leetrundlesrightfoot Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 the argument of "i cant sit in my seat" is one i don't buy, if you wanted to go to the game, you would, simple. i have a season ticket in the ateyo, and obviously cant sit there tonight, will i go still, yes, will it effect me that badly, NO. i suppose of your of this "i cant possibly go unless i sit in my seat" way of thinking, then you cant ever attend an away game, as god forbid its not the exact replica as to your view from the dolman. we are traditionally sh*t in these cups, but from the 3 pre season games ive seen, and with a with some new faces, im optimistic about tonight, and as far as im concerned its well worth a £10!! COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Consider things from a players point of view. Half the ground closed. It'll be like a reserve game and that could affect how the players 'get up' for the game. Should City get beaten then how much revenue will the club lose then? The counter-argument would be that by concentrating a small attendance within one or two confined spaces you make the noise and the atmosphere a little more intense than it would otherwise be with a handful of people scattered over a wide area, which tends to make the place feel like a morgue. It cuts both ways. Personally, I'd rather be in the Williams with a couple of thousand other interested parties for company than sitting there with one bloke and his dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 the club tweeted saying they are expecting a large walk up crowd so the atyeo or the dolman might be open yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Note to those commenting on pillars in the Williams, if you sit in the front half ie rows A-K there aren't any pillars and you get an excellent view, particularly near the back of that area, ie rows F-K. You're closer to the action and the dugouts than in the Dolman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sbred Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 sitting there with one bloke and his dog. What type of dog is it though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 the club tweeted saying they are expecting a large walk up crowd so the atyeo or the dolman might be open yet No, what they mean is as usual the organisation down there will be shocking...not enough ticket windows open so get down there early if you want to get in on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 No, what they mean is as usual the organisation down there will be shocking...not enough ticket windows open so get down there early if you want to get in on time. they said get down there early in the tweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCAGFC Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 No, what they mean is as usual the organisation down there will be shocking...not enough ticket windows open so get down there early if you want to get in on time. That is exactly what they mean. BCAGFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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