City1984 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I know he is staring today's game but does any one know why he hasn't been in the squads for the last couple of friendlies? Might not be some peoples cup of tea but played in an advanced role in a decent team playing decent football I really think he could be a big player for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I know he is staring today's game but does any one know why he hasn't been in the squads for the last couple of friendlies? Might not be some peoples cup of tea but played in an advanced role in a decent team playing decent football I really think he could be a big player for us. To answer your question, almost certainly not good enough, probably league 1 standard at best, just like his doppelganger little Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puckle_red Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Doesn't shoot, refuses to head it, doesn't track back, had 1 good game last season, at least 3 players better than him in that position...may have something to do with lack of game time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 why does he even have an affectionate nickname such as Killa, the bloke is ******* pony and has contributed nothing since he came here, he was no better than Lee Johnson and will not play a significant part in our upcoming season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Doesn't shoot, refuses to head it, doesn't track back, had 1 good game last season, at least 3 players better than him in that position...may have something to do with lack of game time He was injured but I agree with all of that AND he cannot tackle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 He's from Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City1984 Posted August 11, 2012 Author Share Posted August 11, 2012 Just me then. To be fair tho his misses is fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City1984 Posted August 11, 2012 Author Share Posted August 11, 2012 Doesn't shoot, refuses to head it, doesn't track back, had 1 good game last season, at least 3 players better than him in that position...may have something to do with lack of game time Did you get me message mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon atyeo is my dad Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 He is the master of the pointless pass! He constantly asks for the ball from our centre backs gives it straight back and instead of opening up options the gaps close down and inevitably it's a punt up field to get us out of danger from tangs fonts Carey or whoevers playing! Has his better games further up the pitch he can link up well but those games are few and far between. He's now playing for a new manager with a fresh preseason in a team that's winning there friendlys and giving tough fitness workouts. Let's see what happens.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Just as well that I rate him isn't it, on his day he's a very classy player. He keeps the ball, which other than scoring goals is the best attribute a footballer can have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookEnd Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I like the guy a little lightweight in a 4 man midfield but when he played in a more advanced position he was fantastic dictating play, sure he is by no means that creative midfielder spraying hollywood passes around, but his short snappy passing and holding up of the ball kept the team ticking along, West ham away being a good example. With a little consistency and a solid run in a advanced posistion he could become a imporant player for us, imo of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BCFCTWH Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Im not his biggest fan but I agree with the OP, when played in an advanced role he can make things happen, take the Millwall away game for example, he ran the show!...But When he drops back infront the back 4 trying to play from deep it just doesnt work, and more often than not, that was the case! I dont think he will feature much this season tbh, with Morris / Pearson / Skuse / Elliott all ahead of him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I like him but I don't think Del does so he might not be here too much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I BELIEVE Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Personaly think he is a good championship player, just too lightweight to play in a 2 in the middle. Very backwards and sideways though, doesn't play forward enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 He was better when we played him in the hole, play him there again and good championship player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBCFC Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Not entirely sure why this thread is so negative towards Kilkenny, especially when we should be on a high after what has been an excellent pre-season. Like the majority of our squad he was mostly average last season, with a few glimpses of quality. Unfortunately cant play in a midfield 2 which means he is pretty limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 He'll get games. Del will mix it up throughout the season to keep things fresh as he did for the last 8 games last season. We have a very decent squad and very capable players so why not use everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 He's only useful when played higher up the pitch, probably because he gets closed down a bit more quickly. Further back he's most frustrating player to watch that I've seen in a City shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJC Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 What always amuses me about threads like these is people claim they want to see passing football, possession football, but then give the very players who offer that - Kilkenny and, yes, Johnson, the toughest of rides. At this level you'll do well to find someone who sprays the ball around in a consistently penetrative manner, yet infinately more affection is reserved for Elliott and Skuse because they 'get stuck in' than for technical, ball retention types. From the albeit one game I've seen of Morris he did exactly what Johnson and Kilkenny do, yet put his foot in, noticeably, a couple of times. Suddenly (and quite rightly after an excellent performance) he's flavour of the day, yet he spent the majority of that game doing exactly what the other two are/were chastised for - short sideways or backwards passes which retained possession. If people don't rate Johnson or Kilkenny that's fine, but don't condemn them as lightweight or too soft while roaring everytime Skuse slides in, and then criticise because we lack an element of control. For what it's worth I think Kilkenny is decent and could do a good job off a quick front man, as he demonstrated vs Millwall (away) last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 What always amuses me about threads like these is people claim they want to see passing football, possession football, but then give the very players who offer that - Kilkenny and, yes, Johnson, the toughest of rides. At this level you'll do well to find someone who sprays the ball around in a consistently penetrative manner, yet infinately more affection is reserved for Elliott and Skuse because they 'get stuck in' than for technical, ball retention types. From the albeit one game I've seen of Morris he did exactly what Johnson and Kilkenny do, yet put his foot in, noticeably, a couple of times. Suddenly (and quite rightly after an excellent performance) he's flavour of the day, yet he spent the majority of that game doing exactly what the other two are/were chastised for - short sideways or backwards passes which retained possession. If people don't rate Johnson or Kilkenny that's fine, but don't condemn them as lightweight or too soft while roaring everytime Skuse slides in, and then criticise because we lack an element of control. For what it's worth I think Kilkenny is decent and could do a good job off a quick front man, as he demonstrated vs Millwall (away) last year. Your last sentence perfectly sums him up, it was one of our best performances all last season, but it was one game. if Morris turns out to be so mediocre Phil and Sheldon Cooper (aka RMLB) and many others who have told us that he is not good enough for us will have great delight in telling us so in their inimitable positive way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 What always amuses me about threads like these is people claim they want to see passing football, possession football, but then give the very players who offer that - Kilkenny and, yes, Johnson, the toughest of rides. At this level you'll do well to find someone who sprays the ball around in a consistently penetrative manner, yet infinately more affection is reserved for Elliott and Skuse because they 'get stuck in' than for technical, ball retention types. From the albeit one game I've seen of Morris he did exactly what Johnson and Kilkenny do, yet put his foot in, noticeably, a couple of times. Suddenly (and quite rightly after an excellent performance) he's flavour of the day, yet he spent the majority of that game doing exactly what the other two are/were chastised for - short sideways or backwards passes which retained possession. If people don't rate Johnson or Kilkenny that's fine, but don't condemn them as lightweight or too soft while roaring everytime Skuse slides in, and then criticise because we lack an element of control. For what it's worth I think Kilkenny is decent and could do a good job off a quick front man, as he demonstrated vs Millwall (away) last year. Agree with everything you say. People on here have moaned constantly about us knocking the long aimless ball forward. We have a player like Killkenny who keeps it and plays it around well, and they still moan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 SJC and Portland Bill are the only two posters talking any sense here. Leaving Morris aside, simply because we haven't seen enough of him yet, somebody tell me who, out of the entire squad, can pick and execute a pass better than Kilkenny. Players like Johnson and Killa will always get slated on this forum, but if you want to see football payed on the deck, they are a necessary fact of life - and I strongly supect Morris will play in a very similar way if selected, with perhaps the addition of a little abrasiveness (and an increased number of yellow cards). It's like the tired old argument about target men and the supposition that their presence automatically leads to "hoofball". SJC and PB, you are of course right, but I'm afraid your common sense will fall on deaf ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Watching him yesterday was frustrating. Yep, he kept the ball.....and kept it. Everytime, one two or three touches which gave the Bournemouth reserve team more time to get in position and negated the speed of some of our players. He jumped out of a 60/40 in his favour and thats not acceptable - bottle merchant. He slowed the game down to walking pace in the first half. And the score of the game was...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 And the score of the game was...... Thats not the point. It could have been 6 or 7 if Kilkenny had speeded up the play...... Its undeniable that Kilkenny slows down the play. He picks the ball up from defence and dithers and delays before making a sideways pass meanwhile the opposition have plenty of time to get men back behind the ball. Play him further up the pitch and he ups the tempo largely because he gets closed down more quickly when he's around the oppositions danger zone. That said he can pick a pass as long as its not more 15 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Hold on.....can someone or anyone for that matter confirm just who is actually good enough to play in our midfield!? Elliott isn't good enough, until Skuse returned from injury last season and helped get us out of the mess we were in he wasn't good enough, Morris hasn't even had a chance and he is not good enough nor is Kilkenny. Ah yes of course, because everyone is an expert on here!! Silly me! I personally prefer to trust Del. I think he can spot a player and it doesn't take him long to do so. For example he gave Stewart, JCR, Clarkson etc a few chances but then they were dropped very quickly and eased out. Why?? Because to him, they were not good enough. If most on here had their own way we would not have any centre midfield players at all. I actually think for the first time in a long time we actually have an exciting mix of players that yes, all have limits, but then we are not in the prem! We have a very good variation of midfield players now and I am pleased with what we have. More importantly it is the first full season they have worked under Del. Having spent part of last season and now a pre season with the players he will know them all a lot better and might well be able to get the best out of them all. If he cant they will be out the door. I think they should all be judged after this season and how Del works with them, before completely writing everyone off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Thats not the point. It could have been 6 or 7 if Kilkenny had speeded up the play...... Its undeniable that Kilkenny slows down the play. He picks the ball up from defence and dithers and delays before making a sideways pass meanwhile the opposition have plenty of time to get men back behind the ball. Play him further up the pitch and he ups the tempo largely because he gets closed down more quickly when he's around the oppositions danger zone. That said he can pick a pass as long as its not more 15 yards. This coming from someone who has constantly moaned over the last few years about City banging it long all the time!! You need to your mind up how you would like the game played. The game doesn't need to be played at 100mph, possession is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 This coming from someone who has constantly moaned over the last few years about City banging it long all the time!! You need to your mind up how you would like the game played. The game doesn't need to be played at 100mph, possession is key. I know what I don't want to see. Hoof ball and ineffective possession just in front of the back four. Talk about boring........... I would like to see some higher tempo, attacking football and evidence suggests Kilkenny is unable to play that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Oh dear, the season has yet to start and we have people moaning already. We scored 2 they scored a big fat none, but it was all Kilkennys fault we didn't get a cricket score. Only on otib! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Killa will hold the ball, he will take it off the back 4. When asked to play further up the pitch, more often than not he dropped deeper and deeper and deeper, occasionally he would have a good game there. Unfortunately killa plays predominantly for him not the team, he just cannot dictate the play the way the team needs to. More often than not he slows it down when it needs speeding up and vice versa. I am wondering if playing morris alongside him, with skuse or Elliott, may improve his game, I can see morris and killa playing together and really keeping the ball well for us, with Elliot or skuse used to break up play, with morris helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Yet again I have to say if Morris is as mediocre this season as Killkenny was last season, we will never ever hear the end of it from many posters, sorry don't get the love in with Killkenny and so far on this thread there has only been 1 example of him playing well throughout a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 I agree and have said on here before that if you play him just off the front man he's useful, at Millwall last season he was superb. I don't see every game but what I have seen of him I like Ah the one good game that everybody remembers and....................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Robbie_Turner Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Agree with everything you say. People on here have moaned constantly about us knocking the long aimless ball forward. We have a player like Killkenny who keeps it and plays it around well, and they still moan! And I agree with everything you say in turn. football is a game of opinions. Some posters are just too vicious with thoughts on here. My opinion is that if Kilkenny was in the right type of midfield he'd be very useful. Probably most of our midfielders would. It's finding the right balance when you have 2 wingers like Albert and Yannick - if you play them both it's difficult to find the right 2 midfielders if you then wanna play 2 upfront. In my opinion again Kilkenny doesn't fit what we want and what he's best at in a central midfield 2 - make that a central midfield 3 with 1 up front and suddenly without having to be tackling so much, chasing the wrong way up the pitch but being able to hold the ball and play intelligent attacking balls and even shooting (no we don't see it very often from him ) . Utilising him in the best role is how to see the real player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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