Corleone Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Now before people bite my head off, I don't think JET is a liability I'm just putting this theory out there.... Obviously JET plays between the midfield and Baldock, this means we either play 2 in the middle and get over run, or 3 and have no width causing problems for our full backs.....on top of this, Baldock is sometimes isolated causing us problems up top. Now I'm not saying he should be dropped because he shouldn't, but by us accommodating him, does that cause us problems and would we be better suited having an extra traditional midfielder or frontman? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evander SnowyField Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 NO because we still have 4 midfield players in whichever variant in the centre of the park / wings - he plays a AM role bringing others into the game and creating - Today seemed to show that when he is not firing on all cylinders that we have little creativity in the team to create chances I think him and Bobby were the poorest players on the pitch today.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 If we played Harewood up front with Baldock - which we give us more chance of keeping hold of the inevitable long balls, JET could in theory still have a free role behind them two, but our CM players are not strong enough to support that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 I tried to say this a few weeks ago and got slated. JET plays for about 5 mins every game. When he does he could play at any level of football, for the other 85 he walks about like he cant be arsed. But then he scores **** loads and has more assists than anyone. The trick is we should line up as if we have 10 men, so when JET goes missing, no one is covering for him as he's not expected to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 He was certainly very poor today and not up for a fight in any way. Even at 2/3 nil there was no urgency even when he did get the ball, and mostly failed to beat his man. The trouble is, he's scoring and creating loads, so hard to be overly critical. He's certainly a luxury you could do without at 2 or 3 nil down but take off arguably out most creative player and people will moan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 He was certainly very poor today and not up for a fight in any way. Even at 2/3 nil there was no urgency even when he did get the ball, and mostly failed to beat his man. The trouble is, he's scoring and creating loads, so hard to be overly critical. He's certainly a luxury you could do without at 2 or 3 nil down but take off arguably out most creative player and people will moan. This is it, taking him off would have been a big dice roll as he is always capable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Now before people bite my head off, I don't think JET is a liability I'm just putting this theory out there.... Obviously JET plays between the midfield and Baldock, this means we either play 2 in the middle and get over run, or 3 and have no width causing problems for our full backs.....on top of this, Baldock is sometimes isolated causing us problems up top. Now I'm not saying he should be dropped because he shouldn't, but by us accommodating him, does that cause us problems and would we be better suited having an extra traditional midfielder or frontman? Thoughts? 'is jet the problem?' Nope, having fans such as yourself are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corleone Posted September 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 'is jet the problem?' Nope, having fans such as yourself are. Are yea of course, I mean my actions play a massive part in the clubs performances don't they!! Haha silly boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 'is jet the problem?' Nope, having fans such as yourself are. Indeed. Had a huge impact since joining the club both in terms of goals, assists, entertainment and also some great interaction with fans rebuilding player/fans relations that have been lacking n recent seasons And yet.....we get some people asking if "he's the problem". A Mentality i don't understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 JET is the most talented player in League One, I wish we had more 'problems' like him. Having said that every player has off days and it didn't happen for him today. If his two wasted chances had gone in everyone would be on here now singing his praises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corleone Posted September 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Indeed. Had a huge impact since joining the club both in terms of goals, assists, entertainment and also some great interaction with fans rebuilding player/fans relations that have been lacking n recent seasons And yet.....we get some people asking if "he's the problem". A Mentality i don't understand I'm not saying he is the problem, in fact I have said the opposite. But the position he plays, neither up top or in the middle....that IS an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 No not the problem but we rely on him a lot. He didn't have his shooting boots on today and no one else came forward to help us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy273 Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 NO because we still have 4 midfield players in whichever variant in the centre of the park / wings - he plays a AM role bringing others into the game and creating - Today seemed to show that when he is not firing on all cylinders that we have little creativity in the team to create chances I think him and Bobby were the poorest players on the pitch today.. Not sure which game you were watching, I thought Bobby was the only player to put a double shift in against the others in midfield. He kept the ball well and passed some fantastic balls through the channels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 i don't know what the ansrew is,but i'd like to see some way to play baldock,thomas and harewood from the start tuesday. shrewsbury is a game where we must start on the front foot- if we can't have a real go at them,and try for a couple of early goals,then you wonder who were going to take apart at the gate. a real struggle on tuesday then the so called easier games to come will look like a minefield. really need a preformance and a big result. without doubt massive game, a loss then defeat at swindon,well dosen't bear thinking about. a big win then who knows. season changer hopefully!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDoubleD Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 I'd play him right so he can cut in on his left and get one on one with the fullback, then we play either an extra forward against shit teams or an extra midfielder against the good sides He needs to play, we just need to work out how to accommodate him. Think lack of a ball winner in midifled is an issue though. Haven't had one since cisse, and he was immense when we stayed up. All out players seem to nice as well. We need someone in there to get in amongst it and wind the opposition up. Would of loved to of got someone like Shaun Derry. Absolute pr*ck on the pitch, but he puts his foot in and doesn't plenty of dirty work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 I'm not saying he is the problem, in fact I have said the opposite. But the position he plays, neither up top or in the middle....that IS an issue. Well why din't you headline the topic 'Is the position Jet plays in the problem ?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevP Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 The problem was this......back, back, sideways, back, whooooooosh.........straight back at us again. Utter crap today. Unreal that the fans seem to be the only ones who noticed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corleone Posted September 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Well why din't you headline the topic 'Is the position Jet plays in the problem ?' He is the only player who plays in that position . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 He really does need to work harder, like someone said earlier I can see why Ipswich fans don't like him, he is just to lazy imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 The problem was this......back, back, sideways, back, whooooooosh.........straight back at us again. Utter crap today. Unreal that the fans seem to be the only ones who noticed it. And which creative player is suppose to be available as the link between defence and attack...okay it wasn't all JET, the movement today was very poor all round, but he just stood in the same spot all game. Passing is a two way street, xavi and pirlo would have lumped it today, no options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fka dagest Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Not sure which game you were watching, I thought Bobby was the only player to put a double shift in against the others in midfield. He kept the ball well and passed some fantastic balls through the channels. I agree. I thought Reid was the only player to think creatively at all. He played some cracking balls and I was surprised that he was withdrawn, especially given the negligible impact of JET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Double-marked throughout the game. Now that should create room for other players. The question to ask is why didn't we exploit that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernie goodthing Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 I live in Suffolk and see a few Ipswich games each season. Fantastic now and then but other games you would forget he was even on the pitch. Mick McCarthy reportedly said of him. "World beater one week and panel beater the next" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellRedPhil Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 The problem is that when JET doesn't play well it seems that we don't play well. As Alex said earlier we do seem overly reliant on the lad and at the moment when he isn't performing, there seems to be no one else able to step up to the plate. We need to work out how to play and create when JET isn't on form, as it is unrealistic to expect him to be at his best every single game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Exciting, most talented by a mile, flair player has his first bad game for us (he's been in and out of a couple of other matches, but has still provided moments of magic) and there we have it. A thread asking if he is the problem. I'd suggest that our inability to keep a clean sheet, play for a full 90 minutes and retain possession other than when being passed around the backline are slightly bigger concerns, but hey JET is the obvious target because he is someone who we now expect miracles from, most of the fans love and his languid style will always attract criticisms from the ignorant that he doesn't care or isn't trying. Yes JET was poor today, but he was still our only hope of doing anything and I would ask what platform did we give him to go and win the game for us? Aiming hopeless passes at him and letting in 3 at the other end. Just as with Albert it seems some will look to criticise our best and most talented player for the failings of his teammates. Also full marks to the fella sat near me today that called JET a w***** every time he lost the ball today (which was a lot). Sometimes I really do wonder whether football fans want talented players in their team or they would prefer 11 marathon runners going out there every week trying their best to be footballers. No doubt some would prefer JET if he had provided 1 goal and 2 assists so far this season, but was better at closing down the opposition fullbacks. So in answer to your question, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Also full marks to the fella sat near me today that called JET a w***** every time he lost the ball today (which was a lot). Sometimes I really do wonder whether football fans want talented players in their team or they would prefer 11 marathon runners going out there every week trying their best to be footballers. Frightening. He sets-up or scores about 80% of our goals. I think he is allowed the odd off day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corleone Posted September 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Exciting, most talented by a mile, flair player has his first bad game for us (he's been in and out of a couple of other matches, but has still provided moments of magic) and there we have it. A thread asking if he is the problem. I'd suggest that our inability to keep a clean sheet, play for a full 90 minutes and retain possession other than when being passed around the backline are slightly bigger concerns, but hey JET is the obvious target because he is someone who we now expect miracles from, most of the fans love and his languid style will always attract criticisms from the ignorant that he doesn't care or isn't trying. Yes JET was poor today, but he was still our only hope of doing anything and I would ask what platform did we give him to go and win the game for us? Aiming hopeless passes at him and letting in 3 at the other end. Just as with Albert it seems some will look to criticise our best and most talented player for the failings of his teammates. Also full marks to the fella sat near me today that called JET a w***** every time he lost the ball today (which was a lot). Sometimes I really do wonder whether football fans want talented players in their team or they would prefer 11 marathon runners going out there every week trying their best to be footballers. No doubt some would prefer JET if he had provided 1 goal and 2 assists so far this season, but was better at closing down the opposition fullbacks. So in answer to your question, no. Doesn't solve the problem that our forwards can't hold the ball up, and our midfield is being walked through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiz Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Jet like alcohol is the answer to and the problem to all of lifes trouble...........today was an off day. The problem is high balls to baldock he wont and cant win them and jet will not jump.Feildings error started the rot. A wonder second goal finished us, jet had a bad day and bryan should have played wider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiz Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Our midfield was not walked through. Peterborough undid I us with long balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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