Super Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Brendan Rodgers. Came into Liverpool and completely changed the way they played, but the board effictively wrote off a season for him to achieve this, now they look a very good team and are a far better team than last season and the players are more comfortable playing the Rodgers way. Keep faith with SOD it will take time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Brendan Rodgers. Came into Liverpool and completely changed the way they played, but the board effictively wrote off a season for him to achieve this, now they look a very good team and are a far better team than last season and the players are more comfortable playing the Rodgers way. Keep faith with SOD it will take time though. Completely changed? Bit generous there. They've played quite good football for a long time, stretching back to Benitez' reign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Also their 'written off' year includes ending the season with 21 games played, losing 4, drawing 6 and winning 11. Hardly the same situation we're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinnionForEngland Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Sorry thought this was a thread about me ;0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red white and red Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Just to add something on the end here, that is Liverpool with a considerably larger budget than Bristol city, hence why they can attract multi million pound players and we are cutting our cloth accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Completely changed? Bit generous there. They've played quite good football for a long time, stretching back to Benitez' reign. The football under Dalglish was totally different to the way they play now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Also their 'written off' year includes ending the season with 21 games played, losing 4, drawing 6 and winning 11. Hardly the same situation we're in. 21 games? Way to manipulate the statistics. There are 38 in a Premier League season, Liverpool won 16, drew 13 and lost 9. So that means prior to the arbitrary point at which you started counting, they'd won 5, drawn 7 and lost 5 which could quite easily be where we are after 17 games I'm not saying we don't need to find a winning habit soon, but 7 games does not a 'transitional period' make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 My point is that they knew with Rodgers it is a long term project and plenty of Liverpool fans were doubting him last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Brendan Rodgers. Came into Liverpool and completely changed the way they played, but the board effictively wrote off a season for him to achieve this, now they look a very good team and are a far better team than last season and the players are more comfortable playing the Rodgers way. Keep faith with SOD it will take time though. Don't know why you bother. Some on here are only interested in stats, most of which are from last season to gauge Sean's performance. I have one contact at the club, a coach. Spoke to him today regarding the current climate with the support, booing last night etc. When i quoted some of the ridiculous stats (i.e from last season) about the current run, it was just laughed off. The people on the inside are not panicing, its a work in progress and bar some disapointing results, things are moving in right direction behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 21 games? Way to manipulate the statistics. There are 38 in a Premier League season, Liverpool won 16, drew 13 and lost 9. So that means prior to the arbitrary point at which you started counting, they'd won 5, drawn 7 and lost 5 which could quite easily be where we are after 17 games I'm not saying we don't need to find a winning habit soon, but 7 games does not a 'transitional period' make 21 games is as far back as Soccerway would allow me to search!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Good to hear. Hold your nerve BCFC. I used to have four photos, two each of Keith Millen and Derek McInnes, one taken when they got the job, one taken just before they were fired. The difference in demeanour is incredible - from smiling and positive, to shattered and drawn. My point? SO'D is going to need a thick skin (probably has already) and shielding from the lunatic fringe of our support base if he's going to achieve success at Ashton Gate. I hope he stays the course. I believe in him and what he's doing, and the new footballing structure. As for the guy who called for Colin Warnock to take over ... just please stop - old school football is not the answer. If you mean the first caller after the game on Radio Bristol, i switched of the radio at that point, what a joker. Claimed we need someone more animated on the touchline to inspire the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 21 games is as far back as Soccerway would allow me to search!! That's a fair reason for an arbitrary starting point! Liverpool started last season poorly and very gradually got better, though they didn't start playing that well until January when they signed Coutinho if I recall? Sign a talented young Brazilian in January Sean and all will be forgiven! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 If you mean the first caller after the game on Radio Bristol, i switched of the radio at that point, what a joker. Claimed we need someone more animated on the touchline to inspire the players Surely we need more players who don't need some buffoon shouting and waving from the touch line to be inspired!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Surely we need more players who don't need some buffoon shouting and waving from the touch line to be inspired!!! Haha i like your logic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 If you mean the first caller after the game on Radio Bristol, i switched of the radio at that point, what a joker. Claimed we need someone more animated on the touchline to inspire the players This is what concerns me the most. If we did get rid SOD (which I don't think we should).... Who would we get in to replace him? Neil Warnock? No thanks. Maybe he could have kept us up last year but he is not the man to rebuild this club from top to bottom this year. We would need someone willing to work at an unfashionable club, whilst tightening the purse strings, relying on developing players rather then purchasing and respecting the club and our history. Last I heard David Moyes was in full time employment else where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIPLEY RED Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I can't remember a point at the start of last season where Liverpool were in the drop zone having not won a game in 7 attempts in the league - i suggest if they had the calls for Brendon Rogers head would have been defening on Merseyside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I can't remember a point at the start of last season where Liverpool were in the drop zone having not won a game in 7 attempts in the league - i suggest if they had the calls for Brendon Rogers head would have been defening on Merseyside. Not none from 7, because they'd only played 4, but this time last year: 18 (17) Liverpool 4 0 2 2 3 8 -5 2 http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/league-table.html?season=2012-2013&month=SEPTEMBER&timelineView=date&toDate=1348354799999&tableView=CURRENT_STANDINGS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I can't remember a point at the start of last season where Liverpool were in the drop zone having not won a game in 7 attempts in the league - i suggest if they had the calls for Brendon Rogers head would have been defening on Merseyside. They did however wait until the end of September for their first win in the league and mid October before their first win in the league at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 i cant believe we're comparing our situation to Brendan Rogers and Liverpool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tins Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I thought this season would be bedding in new signings, I didn't expect promotion, I expected a mixed bag of results and us being mid table all season. I didn't expect us to be in the bottom 4 looking like exactly the same team from last season. I thought this season would be getting rid of our old problems, but having a few new problems due to being a young team. Nothing has changed and I do worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I thought this season would be bedding in new signings, I didn't expect promotion, I expected a mixed bag of results and us being mid table all season. I didn't expect us to be in the bottom 4 looking like exactly the same team from last season. I thought this season would be getting rid of our old problems, but having a few new problems due to being a young team. Nothing has changed and I do worry. I agree with you Tins except that now we have youngsters in the team who are trying and not "pros" just going through the motions (not in a Town sewer way you understand ) That is what's changed and we must support those who are trying their best. When a player is giving his all for the shirt nobody should boo thèm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Surely we need more players who don't need some buffoon shouting and waving from the touch line to be inspired!!! If we need an arm-waving buffoon, maybe we should recruit George Ferguson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Not none from 7, because they'd only played 4, but this time last year: 18 (17) Liverpool 4 0 2 2 3 8 -5 2 http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/league-table.html?season=2012-2013&month=SEPTEMBER&timelineView=date&toDate=1348354799999&tableView=CURRENT_STANDINGS To quote the famous graffiti: ABOVE US ONLY SKY Below us only QPR and Reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 The emphasis on youth and what not has been there from Benitez poaching Barca recruiters and youth and what not King Kenny continued this by spanking millions on overpriced youth and Rodgers is just a different manager in the same system. Which has been my point all along if the system is all conquering then who is in charge is replaceable if they arent getting the desired outcomes for the system. But would not removing a coach, under contract, be costly? Money that could be used at some point, to sign another player. Or two. The system is not all conquering, it is embryonic*, who has said that it is "all conquering"? * By most people's reckoning. I know you will have a different view there, Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Not sure Les, SOD is only on a 12 month rolling contract so we'd only actually have to pay up 365 days of a contract and not years as we have had to in the past, should things go that way. As Ive said plenty of times on here I'd much rather SOD start showing his form than go through another change, but if we reach a point where there is no option then 'the system' which has to be adhered to irrespective which is why so confident in it would continue with someone else. We'd still be skint, we'd still have to play youth and we'd still have to develop in house. Also not changing the coach because it would cost money to do so is a discussion used for every manager since GJ. Personally and has has been shown that even clubs with no money will make the change i find that a bit of an odd discussion if they arent working in post. However that's just me. Thank you, Ralph. He's on a rolling (with laughter) contract. Correct. I really should pay more attention to these minor details. Who put him on that? Looking a great move that, right now! Excellent. How about a zero-hours contract next? All the rage right now. So it would not be crippling expensive to ask him to move on. But would Burt and Pemberton stay here, or would they want to move on? How will they get on with the new guy, if they stay? Would we be restricted greatly, hampered even, in our choice of new coach by our insistence that the new guy keep the same backroom staff? There are so many consequences, seen and unseen, to making such changes. Problem is, it has become a habit, an addiction, over the past 30 odd years, fans calling for managerial changes, giving them increasingly less time. With what evidence to show that this brings about improvement? Has this worked for us, since Cooper? Tinnion and Millen, novices, were poor appointments that needed correcting. But, in general, has chopping and changing brought us better fortune, taken us beyond our historical top half league one/ bottom third Championship status? Calling for the boss's head has become an addiction, a habit, but with what evidence that it brings anything other than short term relief? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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