Admin Maesknoll Red Posted October 30, 2013 Admin Share Posted October 30, 2013 Radio 5 just reporting that 16 people have been arrested in dawn raids, this is in connection with the violence at the local derby. I didn't witness any of the alleged violence, but blimey, that does seem a bit OTT for running on the pitch, unless there was some more serious incidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBibs Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Radio 5 just reporting that 16 people have been arrested in dawn raids, this is in connection with the violence at the local derby. I didn't witness any of the alleged violence, but blimey, that does seem a bit OTT for running on the pitch, unless there was some more serious incidents. Yes seems completely OTT, particularly as nothing was done about the first invasion to make an example. Nice headline for the Post though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Presumably a number of rovers fans among them. Several police injured during game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Well done plod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Well Done, if they are arresting them in this manner that you'd imagine that the vast majority will be charged and hopefully given long bans. Well done to the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Dawn raids to arrest people for going on to a football pitch to celebrate a win seems about right for modern day Britain. Must crack down on spontaneous happiness wherever that may be, we can't have people going around and doing things that aren't controlled by the state. Tomorrow I hope they arrests that big titted weather girl Carol on the BBC, she asking for trouble smiling at us like that, how has she got away with it for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Dawn raids to arrest people for going on to a football pitch to celebrate a win seems about right for modern day Britain. Must crack down on spontaneous happiness wherever that may be, we can't have people going around and doing things that aren't controlled by the state. Tomorrow I hope they arrests that big titted weather girl Carol on the BBC, she asking for trouble smiling at us like that, how has she got away with it for so long. I very much doubt the dawn raids were for people who simply ran on the pitch! Roverzzz fans were lobbing seats at the end and fighting with police as they came into the EE so it will likely be those who have been nicked this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Dawn raids for a few football fans on the same day they are talking about free heroin for smack-heads. WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Let's hope the scum spitting at Harrison is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted October 30, 2013 Author Admin Share Posted October 30, 2013 Now a big topic on R5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Embarrassing for Bristol, the club and most of us but hopefully the violent scum will be inside and away from football for a long old while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Dawn raid for spitting on a bloke?? Granted its awful but you've lost your head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_s Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 This isn't right surely. Dawn raids are for the art of surprise, such as catching the person with drugs, dodgy porn, slaves in the basement, person on the run etc etc, but why a dawn raid for idiots running on the pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 This isn't right surely. Dawn raids are for the art of surprise, such as catching the person with drugs, dodgy porn, slaves in the basement, person on the run etc etc, but why a dawn raid for idiots running on the pitch? Seems like a PR opportunity to be honest. Completely over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Dawn raids make better headlines. Before we condemn it as further evidence of the war on football fans though, we should probably find out the specifics of what they were arrested for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_s Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 If this is true then plod has gone mad. Serious waste of taxpayers money. They'll be bringing back hanging for the perpetrators next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Wendall Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I accept arresting those that did wrong but this just comes across as a massive PR exercise at the expense of the club. Smashing doors in is an over reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cider city red 81 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Who pays for the smashed doors? Surely cheaper to knock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I very much doubt the dawn raids were for people who simply ran on the pitch! Roverzzz fans were lobbing seats at the end and fighting with police as they came into the EE so it will likely be those who have been nicked this morning. Maybe, but the RB reporter accompanying the police is so far reporting on raids in South Bristol. Total arrests for the match now 'over 50', including 21 so far this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 21 arrested now,more than 50 seats ripped out the reporter on 5 live just said. CCTV will catch a lot more than any of us saw. Personally I've seen a lot worse at Bristol derby's,but it's 2013 and playing up in any form is an arrest able offence nowadays at football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Bottom Line is, if you go onto the pitch at a football match.. your putting yourself at risk of police/club trouble. some people use excuses, but it's really as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 there were plenty of warnings at the time that cctv was recording and action would be taken against those involved, no simpathy for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Biggest no need ever. The police should never be allowed to force entry into a premises unless there is significant risk to harm to occupants or for other pressing reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 According to the BEP report the police were targetting 45 today: 24 Gas, 14 City and 7 Others. Good riddance to the lot of them (if guilty, obviously) .... football would be much better off without these people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Dawn raid for spitting on a bloke?? Granted its awful but you've lost your head! Who cares i never want to see this piece of filth at our ground again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Here's a novel idea. When are you most likely to catch someone at home? The fact people are slating the police is pretty embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 This isn't right surely. Dawn raids are for the art of surprise, such as catching the person with drugs, dodgy porn, slaves in the basement, person on the run etc etc, but why a dawn raid for idiots running on the pitch? Just in-case that on the off chance, one of them might have a job to get up in the morning for?! Seems unlikely though. These aren't going to be your regular pitch invader, these are people caught on film being naughty boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Totterdown Tom Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Whilst I agree action should be taken against those identified, this action does seem a tad heavy-handed. There's a cynic inside of me that suggests they are trying to win a PR war after the apparent misdealings with Bijan Ebrahimi which received national press attention yesterday.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I accept arresting those that did wrong but this just comes across as a massive PR exercise at the expense of the club. Smashing doors in is an over reaction. Depends who you are really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Here's a novel idea. When are you most likely to catch someone at home? The fact people are slating the police is pretty embarrassing. We are not talking about police-murderer Dale Cregan with a grenade and a bolthole in Spain here. These are some local people who presumably overstepped the mark at a local football game. Why did they not just write to them and ask them to arrange a date to come in to their local station for an interview? I hope they get a serious grilling from the local media for this pointless circus and whichever senior officer that sanctioned this gets disciplined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 A PR gimmick wasting resources when burglaries in BS4 see policemen taking over 24 hrs to turn up to conduct investigations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 We are not talking about police-murderer Dale Cregan with a grenade and a bolthole in Spain here. These are some local people who presumably overstepped the mark at a local football game. Why did they not just write to them and ask them to arrange a date to come in to their local station for an interview? I hope they get a serious grilling from the local media for this pointless circus and whichever senior officer that sanctioned this gets disciplined. Hardly likely is it. I don't think it's pointless anything that stops these morons embarrassing our club for me is welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Wendall Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Can Dave L give an explanation of how they're going to improve the stewarding at the gate? As far as I can see the club failed to control the crowd by doing NOTHING during the initial invasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Hardly likely is it. I don't think it's pointless anything that stops these morons embarrassing our club for me is welcome. Each raid will require numerous police officers. Some of the crimes will be for nothing more than men running on grass, men making silly "come on then gestures" and breaking the Eastend hardly robust seats. Scary stuff. This will cost tens of thousands for low level crimes, or no crimes at all. Money wasted when homes in BS4 get burgled you often have to wait 24 hrs for the police to start their investigation. Crime should be prioritised, not used for tasty media sound bites. Its a "look at us" gimmick for the media to make middle England feel safe in their homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Here's a novel idea. When are you most likely to catch someone at home? The fact people are slating the police is pretty embarrassing. What? You think people having the opinion that an unnecessary escalation by an organisation known for raiding the wrong houses and killing innocent people is embarrassing? No wonder the same mistskes keep happening, and innocent people continue to die, whwn a serving officer can make such a blase statement regarding police raids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Each raid will require numerous police officers. Some of the crimes will be for nothing more than men running on grass, men making silly "come on then gestures" and breaking the Eastend hardly robust seats. Scary stuff. This will cost tens of thousands for low level crimes, or no crimes at all. Money wasted when homes in BS4 get burgled you often have to wait 24 hrs for the police to start their investigation. Crime should be prioritised, not used for tasty media sound bites.Its a "look at us" gimmick for the media to make middle England feel safe in their homes. Well I'm looking at them and thinking "clowns"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'm waiting for the knock, I ran onto the pitch after the Rotherham game in 2007 ,gulp ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Maybe best to wait and see what they are charged with, before assuming that it's just those who ran on the pitch and made a few hand gestures? (surely not) I haven't seen any of the news footage, so - a serious question - do Police just batter the door down straight away, or do they give the occupants the opportunity to answer a knock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciderhead433 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 They will be making us wear Hivis clothing next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Well I'm looking at them and thinking "clowns"! Yes those stage costly operations and prioritise low level crime for the media over house break in's are. BS4 has been suffering a spate of breaks in's for two years particularly around Bath road. Real serious crimes. Operations? Media? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Well done old bill, how many police were used for all these raids? shame they didn't put in the same effort when my house was burgled twice, car was broken into or my son getting his jaw broken when set upon by a gang the other weekend, absolute waste of police resources and tax-payers money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 What? You think people having the opinion that an unnecessary escalation by an organisation known for raiding the wrong houses and killing innocent people is embarrassing? No wonder the same mistskes keep happening, and innocent people continue to die, whwn a serving officer can make such a blase statement regarding police raids. And the biggest over reaction of the year goes to........ I'm not a massive fan of the police, but have to say that killing innocent people isn't at the top of the list when I think about my issues with the local plod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 They will be making us wear Hivis clothing next I think that is unlikely as I seem to remember at one club (Man City?) a couple of fans wearing their Hi Vis work jackets were told to remove them as they could be confused for stewards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 What? You think people having the opinion that an unnecessary escalation by an organisation known for raiding the wrong houses and killing innocent people is embarrassing? No wonder the same mistskes keep happening, and innocent people continue to die, whwn a serving officer can make such a blase statement regarding police raids. You seem to be of the opinion that no one should get their comeuppance? Unnecessary escalation? I know time is a healer pal, but have you not forgotten exactly what went on? Sure a few people ran on the pitch, but you rather fittingly seem to have forgotten that people were hit by coins and chairs. Would you rather just sweep it all under the carpet? This isn't about police killing people, or raiding the wrong houses, it's about football fans who took things too far that night. They deserve to get arrested by whatever means possible. As for writing to said suspects, what a ridiculous suggestion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 We all knew this was going to happen though. Dawn raids have been happening all over the country for years. Any football related trouble is treated differently to other offences, it's been the same for 20 years. We had the same after the 96? Pitch invasion ( chasing the gas players off the pitch) and a lot learnt from that and realised a jail sentence would be next if caught playing up. It's the way things are done now,like it or not. In the 80's and 90's we got away with things, it doesn't work like that now, it's a mugs game in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Pointless and waste of time are the ***** who ruin our day out ..Am ashamed of the behaviour displayed and ashamed of majority of posters on this thread who seem to think its "ok" to behave in this manner .. you need to grow some.. you really do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 You seem to be of the opinion that no one should get their comeuppance? Unnecessary escalation? I know time is a healer pal, but have you not forgotten exactly what went on? Sure a few people ran on the pitch, but you rather fittingly seem to have forgotten that people were hit by coins and chairs. Would you rather just sweep it all under the carpet? This isn't about police killing people, or raiding the wrong houses, it's about football fans who took things too far that night. They deserve to get arrested by whatever means possible. As for writing to said suspects, what a ridiculous suggestion! Why is that ridiculous? We are not talking about career criminals. How often is there law-breaking violence at a Bristol City game? Six times a year absolute tops. So if any of these are repeat offenders then they're not doing it very often and are not about to go on the run because of it. So you write to them to come in, some will do so. Where they don't then you issue a warrant for their arrest and then you can do your dawn raid. I accept that not every one of those involved is a decent lad who got carried away, there are some nasty pieces of work out there, but when you get up to 16 people being arrested in dawn raids for some trouble on the pitch then the word that you are looking for is "disproportionate". Save those kind of exercises for terrorists and armed robbers where there is every reason to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Sad to see the usual apologists for the vermin out in force.Affray is a serious offence, so's GBH. Why shouldn't people get nicked for it?We're talking about the few dozen worst offenders here not the thousands that ran on the pitch. They'll have CCTV evidence for each one.Stop trying to help the scumbags hide and excusing their actions, it's just as embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Pointless and waste of time are the ***** who ruin our day out .. Am ashamed of the behaviour displayed and ashamed of majority of posters on this thread who seem to think its "ok" to behave in this manner .. you need to grow some.. you really do Calm down, personally i would rather the police of spent all this time, effort and tax-payers money tackling real crime instead of pulling this giant publicity stunt, still waiting for the police to get back to me on my burglary the other week, of course they have more pressing matters like kids running onto the grass.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 30, 2013 Admin Share Posted October 30, 2013 Here's a novel idea. When are you most likely to catch someone at home? The fact people are slating the police is pretty embarrassing. Perhaps the fact that there is CLEARLY an issue with the way things are dealt with in this area. Would be interested to hear your views on the previously released figures that showed last season 175 Newcastle fans arrested, which is more than three times as many as the City total !! This included 114 for violent disorder, but a total just 8 bans handed out by the magistrates and police. There were 87 Arrests at one match involving Nuneaton for violent disorder, with just 4 bans. Now compare this to our region, where City had 54 arrests over the season, 34 of these receive banning orders. These are the sort of things that the Football Supporters Trust should be brought into look at, something very wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Police must think this is all a right touch. They get to put on their best panto Darth Vader kit for the cameras and the public pay for it. Might as well hold up signs saying Hello Mum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Why is that ridiculous? We are not talking about career criminals. How often is there law-breaking violence at a Bristol City game? Six times a year absolute tops. So if any of these are repeat offenders then they're not doing it very often and are not about to go on the run because of it. So you write to them to come in, some will do so. Where they don't then you issue a warrant for their arrest and then you can do your dawn raid. I accept that not every one of those involved is a decent lad who got carried away, there are some nasty pieces of work out there, but when you get up to 16 people being arrested in dawn raids for some trouble on the pitch then the word that you are looking for is "disproportionate". Save those kind of exercises for terrorists and armed robbers where there is every reason to do so. I'm sorry that I can't respond to this as I'd like to for fear of disclosing too much, but needless to say it's never ideal to telegraph to suspect that he/she is getting arrested. And your whole post is full of assumptions you're using to try to evidence your point. Perhaps the fact that there is CLEARLY an issue with the way things are dealt with in this area. Would be interested to hear your views on the previously released figures that showed last season 175 Newcastle fans arrested, which is more than three times as many as the City total !! This included 114 for violent disorder, but a total just 8 bans handed out by the magistrates and police. There were 87 Arrests at one match involving Nuneaton for violent disorder, with just 4 bans. Now compare this to our region, where City had 54 arrests over the season, 34 of these receive banning orders. These are the sort of things that the Football Supporters Trust should be brought into look at, something very wrong Quite an easy response there. I'd say Northumbria/Warwickshire Police aren't doing their job properly. It's pretty simple, don't do anything wrong and you'll have nothing to worry about... (although I'm well aware that there are corrupt coppers out there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JordanBs3Bcfc Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 What a complete media stunt this will be. I cannot actually believe people are saying "well done old bill". Absolutely crazy, yea, lets enable them to continue to be able to treat football fans like a sub section of the Taliban because, I personally love getting batons slapped round the back of my legs for f* all at every away game. I do not agree with any violence at the football and I understand action must be taken but, this seems over the top. All you lot applauding this clearly have had different backgrounds to me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Guite interesting that 24 of the 45 are Rovers fans. According to them they were all angels that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 What a complete media stunt this will be. I cannot actually believe people are saying "well done old bill". Absolutely crazy, yea, lets enable them to continue to be able to treat football fans like a sub section of the Taliban because, I personally love getting batons slapped round the back of my legs for f* all at every away game. I do not agree with any violence at the football and I understand action must be taken but, this seems over the top. All you lot applauding this clearly have had different backgrounds to me.. clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 30, 2013 Admin Share Posted October 30, 2013 Sad to see the usual apologists for the vermin out in force. Affray is a serious offence, so's GBH. Why shouldn't people get nicked for it? We're talking about the few dozen worst offenders here not the thousands that ran on the pitch. They'll have CCTV evidence for each one. Stop trying to help the scumbags hide and excusing their actions, it's just as embarrassing. How do you know what the dawn raids were for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 What a complete media stunt this will be. I cannot actually believe people are saying "well done old bill". Absolutely crazy, yea, lets enable them to continue to be able to treat football fans like a sub section of the Taliban because, I personally love getting batons slapped round the back of my legs for f* all at every away game. I do not agree with any violence at the football and I understand action must be taken but, this seems over the top. All you lot applauding this clearly have had different backgrounds to me.. Well, thank **** for that then If you, or a mate, family member was injured at the game (and I don't know if anyone actually was) then you'd be applauding. Fans were warned, cctv is everywhere - I'm not sure what else you can do. Don't run on the pitch, don't smash your seat up, don't spit at an opposing player - it's not brain science, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'm sorry that I can't respond to this as I'd like to for fear of disclosing too much, but needless to say it's never ideal to telegraph to suspect that he/she is getting arrested. And your whole post is full of assumptions you're using to try to evidence your point. Ok, so the unwritten answer is that these are in fact nasty pieces of work who would go on the run if they knew that they were going to be arrested. And that I am wrong to assume otherwise. That's fine, as it is an assumption on my part and these are sometimes wrong. I have no inside knowledge and no axe to grind. If you say this is poprtionate and appropriate, based upon information that you have, then I will accept that. The test will be that these 16 are in found guilty of criminal offences when they come to trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Sad to see the usual apologists for the vermin out in force. Affray is a serious offence, so's GBH. Why shouldn't people get nicked for it? We're talking about the few dozen worst offenders here not the thousands that ran on the pitch. They'll have CCTV evidence for each one. Stop trying to help the scumbags hide and excusing their actions, it's just as embarrassing. Who has committed affray? Are you an apologist for the police who treat football fans like the scum of the earth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 If you, or a mate, family member was injured at the game (and I don't know if anyone actually was) then you'd be applauding. Fans were warned, cctv is everywhere - I'm not sure what else you can do. Don't run on the pitch, don't smash your seat up, don't spit at an opposing player - it's not brain science, is it? Sorry to be pedantic here - you can have 'brain surgery' or 'rocket science'. Brain science, or even rocket surgery just ain't right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Sorry to be pedantic here - you can have 'brain surgery' or 'rocket science'. Brain science, or even rocket surgery just ain't right. Brain Science, what a plank, arrest that man for misuse of the English language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BS3 GAS Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 cant help but feel the OB have given this as much media as possible so as to make them not look quite so bad for the shamefull job they did on the day, remember them announcing the zero tolerence that would be in place on the day !! yet they let people do what they want and failed to control crowds all day long. yes people have to brought to justice for wrong doings but what about a report into the way the game was policed ? If the police had done therre job properly on the day half of the problems wouldnt have occured!, the 'yellow shirt' bloke was the ultimate example, twice on the pitch for both goals and was allowed to remain in the stadium to appear on the pitch again at the end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 "ACC Rolfe said her officers would not tolerate any football related violence and their actions are fully supported by both football clubs, who have vowed to ban anyone arrested today for life." Anyone else see the problem with the last bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Ok, so the unwritten answer is that these are in fact nasty pieces of work who would go on the run if they knew that they were going to be arrested. And that I am wrong to assume otherwise. That's fine, as it is an assumption on my part and these are sometimes wrong. I have no inside knowledge and no axe to grind. If you say this is poprtionate and appropriate, based upon information that you have, then I will accept that. The test will be that these 16 are in found guilty of criminal offences when they come to trial. No Eddie, you've got me wrong. I have no inside knowledge of this matter, it goes without saying that i wouldn't be on here commenting on it if i did. I'm just saying that in order to obtain the best evidence, the element of surprise is a pretty good tactic. I would really like to know exactly what it is that the police have done this morning to upset so many on here? Let me ask you this... how many were arrested versus how many ran on the pitch? I'm guessing not a very high proportion. I said at the time that it'd be unlikely that the police would go after those that had only entered the playing area. I suppose the dawn raids issue is upsetting some? Well you're most likely to catch someone at home at that time. If the police had gone round at lunch time, they may have gone out for the day. So they'd need to go again, and again, and again. By which point the suspect knows that they're coming and if he so wishes, can seek to evade arrest. The more times people have to go out to attempt to arrest said people, the more expenditure on resources there is. I'm afraid that's going to have to be the end of contribution for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JordanBs3Bcfc Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Brain science? Is that a thing :s well, maybe, i wasn't applauding when my dad got his face smashed in by some ego maniac copper in Cardiff. Aaannyyway, without getting to far in to it, i honestly believe this was over the top (which is my opinion),especially when such due diligence isn't taken with most other crimes. And i understand don't do this, cctv blah blah blah thank you for trying to be so patronising. You a Tory by chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Sorry to be pedantic here - you can have 'brain surgery' or 'rocket science'. Brain science, or even rocket surgery just ain't right. Ha, was proving my point that it wasn't difficult to understand why these people would be getting a knock on the door (or just having it smashed in) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 simple really if "fans" didn't play up and be ***** at that game then there would of been no dawn raids what-so-ever, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I highly doubt any of the arrested today were arrested for entering the field of play, so it's not a matter of nicking people for running on the pitch. I would have thought that some arrests would relate to fighting in Winterstoke Road Car Park and the industrial estate after the game and the numerous scraps in and around Bristol. Also for any violent behaviour, seat or coin throwing inside the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Brain science? Is that a thing :s well, maybe, i wasn't applauding when my dad got his face smashed in by some ego maniac copper in Cardiff. Aaannyyway, without getting to far in to it, i honestly believe this was over the top (which is my opinion),especially when such due diligence isn't taken with most other crimes. And i understand don't do this, cctv blah blah blah thank you for trying to be so patronising. You a Tory by chance? Wasn't trying to be patronising, just pointing out the facts. There is a massive difference between the two If that happened at Cardiff to your Dad and he wasn't involved in anything then that is completely wrong. But why do you think the police were reacting to City fans like that on that particular day (presuming that you're on about last season)? There were pics of pissed up City fans on twitter from about 8.30 in the morning, then pics of smashed up pubs from about 10am. Maybe it's the fans that go to places to get pissed and smash up pubs that you want to be venting your anger on, if they didn't do that then I'm sure your Dad wouldn't have got his face smashed in.....just saying Is it heavy handed? Massively. Is it unwarranted? No. They broke the law, they will get what they deserve As for me being a Tory.....you went way below the belt there, poppet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I accept arresting those that did wrong but this just comes across as a massive PR exercise at the expense of the club. Smashing doors in is an over reaction. I have not read the report but does it actually say doors were smashed? A 'dawn raid' is not necessarily a pre-requisite for a bit of door smashing. I suspect a tap on the door would have been the general order of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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