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Can I just ask a question? As far as I know, apart from MK Dons, Rotherham and Brentford - Bristol City are the smallest club in the Championship. Why is it that so many Bristol City fans regard yourselves as a 'big club'? This is a club who's spent 4 years in the top tier in the last 100 years. I'm not calling Bristol City a 'small club' but I'm just wondering as an outsider, it's a bit strange.

In contrast, League 1 clubs:

Coventry City: 34 years in the top tier in the last 100 years

Sheffield United: 45 years in the top tier in the last 100 years

Wigan Athletic: 8 years in the top tier in the last 100 years

Also, why on earth are you expanding your ground to 27,000? You weren't even taking up your all seats last year (numerous below 11,000 attendances) when you lost just 1 home game. It just seems pointless. Bristol City's highest average attendence for 30 years is just 16,816 and that was when you were at the top end of the Championship. How are you ever going to fill 28,000 when most likely all you ever will be is a struggling Championship side or a decent League 1 team? It seems like the Bristol City board is trying to make a small club into a bigger one, good luck, but you don't have the support - as shown by when you couldn't even sell 2,000 tickets for Chesterfield away for a promotion party. Hope I'm proved wrong, but everything points to a failure. It's utterly bizzare. It's like Leeds wanting to expand our ground by 10,000 seats when we get about 25,000 a game in a 40,000 ground.

I'm not dismissing Bristol City, but it's almost like Bristol Rovers have took over your club or something. Please bring me some light.

 

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This post had just popped up for approval. I'll probably regret it, but anyway over to you folks...

Look. It might work out. There's a high chance it won't though. There's being ambitious and then there's just being stupid. Bristol City have never had a 27,000 average attendance season in the whole existence. The highest it's been since 1986 is 16,000. Ashton Gate holds (before redevelopment) 20,000 I think? If there's still 4,000 empty seats when you nearly got to the Premier League, why are 8,000 more seats going to be full if you are a struggling Championship side or decent League 1 side? It makes no sense. I could understand if every game was sold out, then there's a reason for expansion.

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Just wondering which 'fans' you've been speaking to who think we're a 'big club'? Many people feel we're a club with big potential, but I doubt many would regard is as a 'big club'

Flipping it round, why do so many Leeds fans still regard theirs as a 'big club'? What is it now; a decade since you were in the top flight? More? I lived in Leeds for many years and other than a few years built on the perilous foundations set by Ridsdale which see you in the position you are now, it's a lifetime since you were a 'big club'. Still undoubtedly bigger than us mind, but I'd say established in the second tier now

I'm just wondering as an outsider, it's a bit strange

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Can I ask, why do you care?

 

We don't. We sing 'we're not famous anymore'. The biggest club in the world (Man United) still sing about us. Most FL teams sing 'we all hate Leeds scum'...clubs who aren't even in Yorkshire and have no rivalry with the club. Sky put us on TV every other week. Leeds United sell tickets. Home attendances rise when Leeds come to town.

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Incidentally....Leeds a city of nearly 800,000 people with only one football team and you average, what? about 22k?.... Maybe you should consider downsizing Elland Road to suit your needs?

True, but we wouldn't be stupid enough to upgrade when we're not selling all the seats. In that case - why are Bristol City upgrading? Surely they should be downgrading too.

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We don't. We sing 'we're not famous anymore'. The biggest club in the world (Man United) still sing about us. Most FL teams sing 'we all hate Leeds scum'...clubs who aren't even in Yorkshire and have no rivalry with the club. Sky put us on TV every other week. Leeds United sell tickets. Home attendances rise when Leeds come to town.

We all know you're not, you don't have to sing that to yourself. But why are you even bothered about us? Just a bit odd like...

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Just wondering which 'fans' you've been speaking to who think we're a 'big club'? Many people feel we're a club with big potential, but I doubt many would regard is as a 'big club'

Flipping it round, why do so many Leeds fans still regard theirs as a 'big club'? What is it now; a decade since you were in the top flight? More? I lived in Leeds for many years and other than a few years built on the perilous foundations set by Ridsdale which see you in the position you are now, it's a lifetime since you were a 'big club'. Still undoubtedly bigger than us mind, but I'd say established in the second tier now

I'm just wondering as an outsider, it's a bit strange

Nothing on the ground? Who's bloody idea was that? Seems a bit fishy to me. A team, who haven't filled there ground in 30 years, adding 10,000 more seats.

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Can I just ask a question? As far as I know, apart from MK Dons, Rotherham and Brentford - Bristol City are the smallest club in the Championship. Why is it that so many Bristol City fans regard yourselves as a 'big club'? This is a club who's spent 4 years in the top tier in the last 100 years. I'm not calling Bristol City a 'small club' but I'm just wondering as an outsider, it's a bit strange.

In contrast, League 1 clubs:

Coventry City: 34 years in the top tier in the last 100 years

Sheffield United: 45 years in the top tier in the last 100 years

Wigan Athletic: 8 years in the top tier in the last 100 years

Also, why on earth are you expanding your ground to 27,000? You weren't even taking up your all seats last year (numerous below 11,000 attendances) when you lost just 1 home game. It just seems pointless. Bristol City's highest average attendence for 30 years is just 16,816 and that was when you were at the top end of the Championship. How are you ever going to fill 28,000 when most likely all you ever will be is a struggling Championship side or a decent League 1 team? It seems like the Bristol City board is trying to make a small club into a bigger one, good luck, but you don't have the support - as shown by when you couldn't even sell 2,000 tickets for Chesterfield away for a promotion party. Hope I'm proved wrong, but everything points to a failure. It's utterly bizzare. It's like Leeds wanting to expand our ground by 10,000 seats when we get about 25,000 a game in a 40,000 ground.

I'm not dismissing Bristol City, but it's almost like Bristol Rovers have took over your club or something. Please bring me some light.

 

27,000? 28,000? Which is it?

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We all know you're not, you don't have to sing that to yourself. But why are you even bothered about us? Just a bit odd like...

Why? Because it's bizzare. Bristol City's highest attendance in the last 30 years is just over 16,000. At the least, there will be 12,000 empty seats every game. At the most, about 16,000.

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True, but we wouldn't be stupid enough to upgrade when we're not selling all the seats. In that case - why are Bristol City upgrading? Surely they should be downgrading too.

Probably just showing a bit of ambition mate alongside the desire to have a stadium that's suitable for the 21st Century. I expect most clubs in the Football League fail to sell out every single week, some of them may have ambitions to move to a new stadium or even redevelop their own grounds. Perhaps you could ask them why as well?

Btw, what happened to that poster who came on here about a month ago claiming to be a City fan from Birmingham asking the exact same question?

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As a couple have previously mentioned I don't think many City supporters would consider us a big club but the size of the City and surrounds if we are successful there would certainly be the potential to fill a 27,000 capacity stadium and with Steve Lansdown backing us as he is we could well see that happen, on the other hand if we don't get success it could be another stadium where the away supporters are singing 'empty seats' 

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Probably just showing a bit of ambition mate alongside the desire to have a stadium that's suitable for the 21st Century. I expect most clubs in the Football League fail to sell out every single week, some of them may have ambitions to move to a new stadium or even redevelop their own grounds. Perhaps you could ask them why as well?

Btw, what happened to that poster who came on here about a month ago claiming to be a City fan from Birmingham asking the exact same question?

Again - to expand your ground you need EVIDENCE to show that you can fill that many seats. There is no reason to expand. There was 4,000 empty seats when you got into the Championship play offs.

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As a couple have previously mentioned I don't think many City supporters would consider us a big club but the size of the City and surrounds if we are successful there would certainly be the potential to fill a 27,000 capacity stadium and with Steve Lansdown backing us as he is we could well see that happen, on the other hand if we don't get success it could be another stadium where the away supporters are singing 'empty seats'

So the BC chairman is banking on somewhere you've never been before to fill the ground? Well, he's a bit stupid then, isn't he?

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Maybe as you are an expert on attendances you could do an analysis of how Brighton's gates jumped after ground redevelopment. 

For a brief spell in the 70's they had averages around the low 20's, since development? Well i'll let you look it up.

Ambition seems to be a thing of the past in Yorkshire, been replaced with bitterness i think.

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Oh Leeds, dirty Leeds. Leeds who won the last championship before it became the premiership, Leeds the team who once played in the champions league, oh Leeds you were good in the 70s, oh Leeds I dislike you a lot. Dirty town, dirty players, dirty fans

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Can I just ask... Because it seems bizarre. 

How did you spend so much money when you didn't have any?

 

In answer to your question it is a gamble for us. But much like Cardiff/Swansea who used to average as low as 6,000 before they got new grounds we hope that a new ground could potentially help us reach the promised land of the top division and increase our attendances.

 

Is that a sensible enough answer? Good. Now jog on

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Maybe as you are an expert on attendances you could do an analysis of how Brighton's gates jumped after ground redevelopment.

For a brief spell in the 70's they had averages around the low 20's, since development? Well i'll let you look it up.

Ambition seems to be a thing of the past in Yorkshire, been replaced with bitterness i think.

No sense at all. You've had success (smashed L1) AND still weren't selling out 13,000 seats in L1 most of the time.

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Can I just ask a question? As far as I know, apart from MK Dons, Rotherham and Brentford - Bristol City are the smallest club in the Championship. Why is it that so many Bristol City fans regard yourselves as a 'big club'? This is a club who's spent 4 years in the top tier in the last 100 years. I'm not calling Bristol City a 'small club' but I'm just wondering as an outsider, it's a bit strange.

In contrast, League 1 clubs:

Coventry City: 34 years in the top tier in the last 100 years

Sheffield United: 45 years in the top tier in the last 100 years

Wigan Athletic: 8 years in the top tier in the last 100 years

Also, why on earth are you expanding your ground to 27,000? You weren't even taking up your all seats last year (numerous below 11,000 attendances) when you lost just 1 home game. It just seems pointless. Bristol City's highest average attendence for 30 years is just 16,816 and that was when you were at the top end of the Championship. How are you ever going to fill 28,000 when most likely all you ever will be is a struggling Championship side or a decent League 1 team? It seems like the Bristol City board is trying to make a small club into a bigger one, good luck, but you don't have the support - as shown by when you couldn't even sell 2,000 tickets for Chesterfield away for a promotion party. Hope I'm proved wrong, but everything points to a failure. It's utterly bizzare. It's like Leeds wanting to expand our ground by 10,000 seats when we get about 25,000 a game in a 40,000 ground.

I'm not dismissing Bristol City, but it's almost like Bristol Rovers have took over your club or something. Please bring me some light.

 

Yaaawwwn. Clearly a gashead.

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Again - to expand your ground you need EVIDENCE to show that you can fill that many seats. There is no reason to expand. There was 4,000 empty seats when you got into the Championship play offs.

Yes, but there were 40,000 when we got to the final of the tin pot trophy. 

It's like asking Hull why they expanded to 25,000 when they were in League 2 with average attendances of 6,000 or Cardiff moving to 28,000 when they had averages of 11,000 and Stoke moving to 28,000 with averages of 12,000. 

Come on, you're a WUM or just plain ignorant.

Or do you want us to call up Steve Lansdown and get the redevelopment put on hold? Maybe he would be really interested in these insights you've raised. 


 

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To be fair he may well be Trolling but it is a question many of our own supporters have asked, the thing is imho if you don't have any ambition within your financial powers then what is the point playing at all and with Steve Lansdown he obviously has both spending power and ambition so fair play to you Steve and I hope you get the success you deserve.

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Again - to expand your ground you need EVIDENCE to show that you can fill that many seats. There is no reason to expand. There was 4,000 empty seats when you got into the Championship play offs.

The capacity of the ground was actually 18.5-19k due to restrictions, with 2000 odd for away fans, which obviously wasn't filled every game. Get your facts right at least. Poor poor attempt at being a WUM.

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I guess it comes down to ambition. We're not a big club and any City fan who tells you otherwise has probably hit the Thatchers a little too hard. But we'd like to be a big club - like Leeds once were, isn't that what everyone wants?

I'd rather be in our position, (local) billionaire (and fan of City) in charge, new stadium being built and prepared to splash out big money on signings (although not on wages, which is another story) than in yours. Despot owner, desperate fans trying to woo Russell Crowe to buy the club (what the actual ****?) in a piss poor stadium, in need of urgent modernisation

We're trying to get somewhere, you lot should be happy if you're still around in 5 years time

Don't hate Leeds, there was a thread on here earlier in the summer about the biggest club in the Championship - I said it was you lot by a country mile, but a majority of Leeds fans that I know are absolute bell ends, so I'd love to see you struggle for that reason alone

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Again - to expand your ground you need EVIDENCE to show that you can fill that many seats. There is no reason to expand. There was 4,000 empty seats when you got into the Championship play offs.

Yes, but there were 40,000 when we got to the final of the tin pot trophy. 

It's like asking Hull why they expanded to 25,000 when they were in League 2 with average attendances of 6,000 or Cardiff moving to 28,000 when they had averages of 11,000 and Stoke moving to 28,000 with averages of 12,000. 

Come on, you're a WUM or just plain ignorant.

Or do you want us to call up Steve Lansdown and get the redevelopment put on hold? Maybe he would be really interested in these insights you've raised. 

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Ok. If the Leeds chairman expanded our ground by 10,000, when we rarely ever fill it - would you call him stupid and questioning his motives?

 

 

Yes, but there were 40,000 when we got to the final of the tin pot trophy. 
It's like asking Hull why they expanded to 25,000 when they were in League 2 with average attendances of 6,000 or Cardiff moving to 28,000 when they had averages of 11,000 and Stoke moving to 28,000 with averages of 12,000. 

Come on, you're a WUM or just plain ignorant.

Or do you want us to call up Steve Lansdown and get the redevelopment put on hold? Maybe he would be really interested in these insights you've raised. 

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Ok. If the Leeds chairman expanded our ground by 10,000, when we rarely ever fill it - would you call him stupid and questioning his motives?

I really wouldn't care to be honest. And I definitely wouldn't be on a Leeds forum making myself look like a ignorant plonker. 

 

 

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I appreciate you are on the wind-up, but I will answer anyway.

It has been known for a while that the stadium requires updating (we were due to move to a new stadium but that fell though), We could either re-build with the current capacity, or future-proof now in case we do make it to the top flight in the future. 

Add in the fact that the stadium will have other purposes such as concerts etc, it would be silly to limit the capacity due to past attendances.

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Ok. If the Leeds chairman expanded our ground by 10,000, when we rarely ever fill it - would you call him stupid and questioning his motives?

Why are you so interested in our small, inferior club's development anyway? DId you go to ashton gate before it was redeveloped? It was old, dilapidated, with no exec boxes, or non matchday revenue facilities. As for our attendances, as you pointed out we haven't exactly had any recent sustained period of success, so its not a fair comparison with most championship clubs who have. Look at how Hull, Cardiff, Reading etc have expanded, done well and seen a huge increase in their attendances. We sold out every home game last season, as we have this, due to the redevelopment we have been at a lesser capacity. So your argument that we don't need a bigger stadium is already being disproved, once the results start matching our performances and the stadium is finished next year we will get 20k + every week. Come back then and call the redevelopment 'weird'.

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It's also worth mentioning that the redevelopment allows for off-field and non-match day revenue to be made as well as modernisation.

This 'Leeds' fan having such knowledge of Bristol City is the bizarre thing and why they haven't risen the same questions of R*vers wanting out of the Methane Ground is another.

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Why? Because it's bizzare. Bristol City's highest attendance in the last 30 years is just over 16,000. At the least, there will be 12,000 empty seats every game. At the most, about 16,000.

Wh?  w have 19k and 20 k attendances in the past 20 years in league 1! where are you getting your info?

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Clearly we have a Sag who 'follows' Leeds as his 'big team' as many people do in the west country. Shame they're not really that big anymore, maybe switch to Man yoo?

I doubt he follows Leeds at all but he could hardly register on here as a Gashead and take the piss out of our attendances as well questioning our desire for a bigger ground.

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Here is the sensible answer to you Leeds etc.

We are the 6th / 8th largest city in England.

We are the largest city never to have had a team in the Premiership.

We also have a Premiership sized rugby club, based on known support with last season's average of over 7,000, that now shares our stadium.

Both Bristol City FC and Bristol Rugby are owned by a locally born businessman who built his wealth from scratch to an estimated £2 billion. He is investing in various local sports in addition to the major ones.

The attendance's at Bristol City home games last season were invariably sold out. But with the capacity varying throughout the season with building works, the average was a few over 12,000.

This seasons three home games have also sold out although you could be misled by seeing empty seats which we could not sell due to the Safety Certificate procedures that are in place due to the building work.

As for the football aspect, you are correct. Bristol football is a century or more of total under achievement. We, as supporters, are sick to death of hearing about our "potential".

So is our owner, who incidentally is one of the most genuine, honest and loyal people I have ever met, to just sit back and fund a team that traditionally bounces between the second and third tiers of English football.

Or dig his hands deep to fund the stadium rebuild at £45 million, help with financial assistance at his home city's football, rugby, women's football, women's rugby, basketball, motor racing, and probably county cricket although that is not confirmed. With a dream of seeing his and our city competing at the highest levels possible.

Mr Leeds, you can mock us, use barbed banter, disbelieve and so on, but if we do not try to be more successful than the past, we may as well go back to the cave dwellings that we all came from. We know we have to work hard to achieve anything in life and sport, but do not criticise us for trying.

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To be honest I agree with the opening post in some ways. We do have an obsession with claiming we are a bigger club than we are. I don't really see why this person felt the need to post this on our forum but there we go. He clearly wanted to get a reaction and of course he will.

What he does fail to realise is two things though: 1. Our attendances were low last season as we were renovating the ground. 2. We have an owner who is looking to the long term future and sees that we can be the next Reading, Hull, Swansea, Cardiff etc. which is perfectly reasonable. Bristol is a large City with massive potential and the feeling is that if we were to get a club into the Premier League the fans would start turning up.

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Can I just ask a question? As far as I know, apart from MK Dons, Rotherham and Brentford - Bristol City are the smallest club in the Championship. Why is it that so many Bristol City fans regard yourselves as a 'big club'? This is a club who's spent 4 years in the top tier in the last 100 years. I'm not calling Bristol City a 'small club' but I'm just wondering as an outsider, it's a bit strange.

In contrast, League 1 clubs:

Coventry City: 34 years in the top tier in the last 100 years

Sheffield United: 45 years in the top tier in the last 100 years

Wigan Athletic: 8 years in the top tier in the last 100 years

Also, why on earth are you expanding your ground to 27,000? You weren't even taking up your all seats last year (numerous below 11,000 attendances) when you lost just 1 home game. It just seems pointless. Bristol City's highest average attendence for 30 years is just 16,816 and that was when you were at the top end of the Championship. How are you ever going to fill 28,000 when most likely all you ever will be is a struggling Championship side or a decent League 1 team? It seems like the Bristol City board is trying to make a small club into a bigger one, good luck, but you don't have the support - as shown by when you couldn't even sell 2,000 tickets for Chesterfield away for a promotion party. Hope I'm proved wrong, but everything points to a failure. It's utterly bizzare. It's like Leeds wanting to expand our ground by 10,000 seats when we get about 25,000 a game in a 40,000 ground.

I'm not dismissing Bristol City, but it's almost like Bristol Rovers have took over your club or something. Please bring me some light.

 

What were Swansea's average gates before the established themselves as a PL team?  I think you're just hating because your club is going nowhere and you can see Bristol City is a club on the rise.  

No one in Bristol regards us as a 'big club' but what we are is a club with bags of potential and a billionaire owner.

 

 

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This is the second WUM on here lately that ha stated we've not got over 16k in the last 25 years..  WTF is he getting this stat wrong as its not even remotely correct.

 

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