Guest Darchie88 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Why when hamer is starting to find his feet in goal playing well and kept us right in the game at Middlesbrough, he is dropped for frank. If injured then fair play but to rate frank higher I am supprised. Wouldn't have started him last year if we had anything better. Any other opinions? Mine when fit again hamer to come back in and if possible sign him at end of the year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFly2002 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Why when hamer is starting to find his feet in goal playing well and kept us right in the game at Middlesbrough, he is dropped for frank. If injured then fair play but to rate frank higher I am supprised. Wouldn't have started him last year if we had anything better. Any other opinions? Mine when fit again hamer to come back in and if possible sign him at end of the year....No No No . . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tts_city Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 gone back to leicester for scans on headaches he has had recently according to matchday commentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Whooooossshhhh Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Why when hamer is starting to find his feet in goal playing well and kept us right in the game at Middlesbrough, he is dropped for frank. If injured then fair play but to rate frank higher I am supprised. Wouldn't have started him last year if we had anything better. Any other opinions? Mine when fit again hamer to come back in and if possible sign him at end of the year....Welcome to the forum, Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I'm confused by the thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I think it would be preferable to start your own player rather than a loan player unless the loanee was vastly better. I guess Cotts felt Frankie was just as good as Hamer (remember all the aggro that fans gave Hamer) so re-instated him as soon as he was fit.I think the poor defence made Hamer look worse than he is, so I would be more than happy to see him given another chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 What I expected from Hamer above all else was calm assuredness.He didn't show it, nor did he look a superior keeper, so I'm more than pleased to see Frankie reinstated.Perhaps coming on loan to a club he grew up supporting somehow added extra pressure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 What I expected from Hamer above all else was calm assuredness. Not sure that is reasonable when he is stood in front of a defence he doesn't know (so doesn't know how they will act) - he seemed to be getting better as time went on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I think that dropping Hamer for Brum was a disgraceful decision. But I don't advocate dropping Fielding right back. I thought Hamer was slowly showing us what he was like. Frankie's aerial ability is still a big weakness for him, which Hamer doesn't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Neither. I'd pay the going rate for the lad at Southend if we are all about value for money nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I would keep fielding in all day long. Nothing to do with the quality of either player, just he had worked with the defence and knows his colleagues and what they do in certain situations much better than hamer. No brained for me. The defence knows fielding. Fielding knows the defence. Making a change in gk unless the keeper is playing poorly or injured is a no no as far as I am concerened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Not sure that is reasonable when he is stood in front of a defence he doesn't know (so doesn't know how they will act) - he seemed to be getting better as time went on.That doesn't excuse parrying shots into the path of opposition strikers.You could equally say you'd expect a PL experienced keeper to be decisive and self assured to the extent the expectation might be he'd instil extra confidence into the defence.Either way I'd expect Hamer himself would be disappointed with some of his performances, and Fielding, barring injury and exceptional performances by his replacement, is Cotterill's no. 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontariored Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 gone back to leicester for scans on headaches he has had recently according to matchday commentary.Can't be used to the Cider.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Fielding gets beat from 25 yards plus far too often for my liking and not always dipping top corner worldies either, the goal against Reading being a perfect example. What I would have preferred is to see us buy a solid Championship standard Keeper for £1-1.5m rather than bidding £7m for players we had no chance of obtaining due to their wage demands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I think that dropping Hamer for Brum was a disgraceful decision. But I don't advocate dropping Fielding right back. I thought Hamer was slowly showing us what he was like. Frankie's aerial ability is still a big weakness for him, which Hamer doesn't have. Who's this Brum fella, which game did he start in? ... Can't find anything about him, guess he was a short term loanee or something, deffo not listed in any City squad lists.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I would keep fielding in all day long. Nothing to do with the quality of either player, just he had worked with the defence and knows his colleagues and what they do in certain situations much better than hamer. No brained for me. The defence knows fielding. Fielding knows the defence. Making a change in gk unless the keeper is playing poorly or injured is a no no as far as I am concerenedAll day? .... thats asking a bit much, 90 good mins + would do perfectly on a matchday IMO.Lack of a brain deffo a concern though, that's probably a bit harsh too, most footballers although not the sharpest tools in the box do possess a few brain cells tbh and I can't imagine Frank has fewer than the rest of 'em.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Fielding gets beat from 25 yards plus far too often for my liking.....Frank's not too happy about it either, but if he deserves it then so be it.He, and we, know and understand that we have a disciplinarian manager in charge, we should be grateful for that, a no nonsense strict approach is what winners are made of and in Cotts we thankfully have just that. Like God Cotts sometimes works in mysterious ways and the 25 yard beatings falls into that category for me, why he needs a cane quite so long as that is beyond me, surely he could use a much shorter one. But he's the man in charge, its Cotts way or the highway and long may that continue.Fielding behave, it hurts us as much as it must you to see you getting beat from distance so often, get your act together for everyone's sake -not least your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Neither. I'd pay the going rate for the lad at Southend if we are all about value for money nowadays. Have to say I agree. I've got no confidence in either of them. Hammer one decent game and Frankie letting in that 30 yarder that was along the deck, not good enough IMO.Bentley would be a good signing, or someone in the mould of the Middlesbrough keeper, big and commanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 For me, Fielding shades it but I think the crucial thing is playing with a settled keeper and backline so they can used to each other. For better or worse, we've got the keeper and defence we have for now and I think the key thing is to choose what the best line-up is and give those players confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I think that dropping Hamer for Brum was a disgraceful decision. But I don't advocate dropping Fielding right back. I thought Hamer was slowly showing us what he was like. Frankie's aerial ability is still a big weakness for him, which Hamer doesn't have. Really? Agree on Frankie not being dominant in the air, but Hamer has been no better. Even after that Boro performance he was spilling routine catches the next home game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Redrobbin Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Seem to remember fielding not making a huge impact when he joined for us. Very nervious. Distribution woefull ( still is at times). Home crowd getting on his back quickly replaced for a while. Fast foward to present day. Conceding on average 2 goals a game. Would we have won at Middlesbrough if we was in goal?Harmer was immense all told that day. Give him a go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 28, 2015 Admin Share Posted September 28, 2015 (remember all the aggro that fans gave Hamer)When was this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I was disappointed with Hamer in the games I saw him play, and welcome Fielding back in goal. Im not sure I ever considered Hamer a true PL keeper...he played 8 games last season due to injuries. The vast majority of his career has been League One and Champ.Similarly I would not consider Fielding to be an England goalie, just because he got called up to a squad!!I think Cotts wanted familiarity when Hamer struggled (except Boro). Hamer has taken a fair bit of stick, but that's the hit and miss of playing in goal.I do wonder if he will return?Happy for him to come back,fight for his place, and prove me wrong. Just like Frankie did!!!!!!! N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Gerken or James?Weale or Basso?Phillips or Stowell? We've had a few of these over the years!For the record FF has done nothing to deserve being dropped, then again neither did Hamer (but FF was established number one so his was the jersey to lose). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Neither. I'd pay the going rate for the lad at Southend if we are all about value for money nowadays. you can offer what you want, Bentley is off to bigger and better thinks than Bristol city. He has already turned down qpr and Preston. Says to me big deal lined up somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Frankie, doesn't seem much to choose between them so let's give the experience to our own asset rather than do that for another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Hearing Cotterill's comments after the Burnley game where he felt Hamer could have done better with both goals it is obvious Fielding is his first choice.Wouldn't be at all surprised to see Hamer ask to leave over the next month or so and another keeper then come in on loan instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Redrobbin Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Hearing Cotterill's comments after the Burnley game where he felt Hamer could have done better with both goals it is obvious Fielding is his first choice.Wouldn't be at all surprised to see Hamer ask to leave over the next month or so and another keeper then come in on loan instead.Surely that is a standard criticism. Which can be aimed at every keeper, on any given day, at any level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 But not one that he chose to say after the Reading match, see the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Why when hamer is starting to find his feet in goal playing well and kept us right in the game at Middlesbrough, he is dropped for frank. If injured then fair play but to rate frank higher I am supprised. Wouldn't have started him last year if we had anything better. Any other opinions? Mine when fit again hamer to come back in and if possible sign him at end of the year....not really feeling totally confident in either keeper in this division tbh..as well as centre mid and another striker the obvious area that needs strengthening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Redrobbin Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 But not one that he chose to say after the Reading match, see the difference?Just him playing the loyalty card. "Don't criticise the lads". Harmer is the loanee, we have nothing better than frankie. Would cotts have been justified to say " he should have done better" with the 30 yard reading strike? Yes he would have been in my opinion. Did he? see the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 PpFielding has a long while to work with that defence. if they were to not heals into different team then I'd say Hamer.Height, more presence, commands his area, takes corpses that unfortunately can lead to goals as Brankie is tiny.fielding again due to lack of height gets beaten by long distance shots, a lot of that's to do with being too close Tippo his line and being 5 foot 4.FF is a cracker though, I think he's just got a skeelo problem though,https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ryDOy3AosBw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wheatus59 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 PpFielding has a long while to work with that defence. if they were to not heals into different team then I'd say Hamer.Height, more presence, commands his area, takes corpses that unfortunately can lead to goals as Brankie is tiny.fielding again due to lack of height gets beaten by long distance shots, a lot of that's to do with being too close Tippo his line and being 5 foot 4.FF is a cracker though, I think he's just got a skeelo problem though,https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ryDOy3AosBw What ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'm confused by the thread title.Yep 'Frankie and Benny's' was a shoe-in in my view! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFChris Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Personally I prefer Frankie goes to Hollywood over MC Hammer. Personal choice I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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