Wolf Island Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Should he stay or should he go? On the one hand he's permanently injured, no doubt on high wages, commutes from London and we have cover in his position. On the other he brings undoubted quality and experience (including of promotion) which could help a young squad. On balance I think I'd say keep him but what do others think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City1984 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 All thing considered I'd like to be saying goodbye. Been a massive disappointment for me who along side Tomlin, feels like a complete waste of a healthy wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Completely stealing a wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Prefer Pack, Brownhill and Smith. See potential in Hegeler so want him to stick around. Any decent bid and I'd rather we took the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I'd hoped he would be fit for pre-season and we'd end up seeing the best of him this season. But the fact that he's seemingly injured once again and is missing the build up makes me worried he is again going to be unable to contribute properly. Had a few games last year where he really ran things, and looked every bit the player I had thought we had on our hands. Unfortunately most of those showings were pre-Christmas, or even before the first international break, and he didn't seem to have much influence when we were poor. I'm of a mind that if he was to leave, or even end up well down the pecking order were he to stay, we'd not be massively inconvenienced. Talk of Stephen Quinn being someone we were interested in made me think that GO'N might be off; in all honesty, as long as his knee injury is over with, and he's back to the same busy player he was at Hull and Reading the season before last, I'd prefer Quinn come in to be that experience in the middle for us. That said; a fit Korey Smith, an improving Brownhill, Pack and Hegeler too seems to me enough cover in that central midfield area. Might be enough for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobArnold10 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 When he was on the pitch I thought we generally looked better for it. However looking at stats certainly in terms of results that wasn't the case! In theory should be a world beater for us, wasn't the case last year and needs to be fit. As others have said I'd lean towards moving him on if anybody's willing to take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I was all for him staying and getting some time off the bench to help see out games and getting a few starts here and there. Maybe starting in cup games as a leader with some youth but him already being injured doesn't bode well. I thought we overused him last season and that is why after the first few games he didn't look as good. Then the injuries happened. He could still probably help the squad but if someone wanted him they could take him. Though it would probably mean we have to pay most of his wages for the year. He'll be here until January and even then he'll probably see out his last year here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 So disappointed with O'Neil as on big money I suspect and we are getting no value. Started superbly and was a real driving force but anything post October is a write off. Cannot work out what's going on with him as surely we should be looking to pay him off with a compromise payment to allow him to be closer to home in London. No idea of relationship with LJ as rumours point to not being great but then why have him involved in running U23's at end of season. best of going though as we have better and stealing a wage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Really suspicious of this "he's injured" stuff, as we were also told that about Tomlin. Top of my list to go, a high earner who has contributed very little. Not that bothered about a replacement either, as Smith, Brownhill, Pack & Hegeler can all play there. Need a more creative, goal scoring midfielder if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 17 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Really suspicious of this "he's injured" stuff, as we were also told that about Tomlin. Top of my list to go, a high earner who has contributed very little. Not that bothered about a replacement either, as Smith, Brownhill, Pack & Hegeler can all play there. Need a more creative, goal scoring midfielder if anything. Trouble is who would want him? We'd have to pay up his contract which isn't going to be cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 Interesting temperature check and there is a real strength of feeling against O'Neil it seems. I don't disagree with the analysis of his contribution last season but just wonder whether he could offer more next. Doesn't feel like a Tomlin scenario as he seems to be much more constructive and less disruptive. And like Wilbs before potentially a good example of how to look after yourself physically into the latter stages of a career (yes he's had injuries but doesn't seem to neglect his body). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I don't think we'd miss him were he to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ser Davos Ciderworth said: Interesting temperature check and there is a real strength of feeling against O'Neil it seems. I don't disagree with the analysis of his contribution last season but just wonder whether he could offer more next. Doesn't feel like a Tomlin scenario as he seems to be much more constructive and less disruptive. And like Wilbs before potentially a good example of how to look after yourself physically into the latter stages of a career (yes he's had injuries but doesn't seem to neglect his body). He could offer more next season. He could've offered more last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, David Brent said: I don't think we'd miss him were he to leave. Exactly. I couldn't tell anyone his style of play etc as I feel I hardly know him. Came with a good record but like others before him failed due to injuries. Happy to commute and play golf, but that's about it. Luckily we have only a years wages to pay up if we decide to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I think in this case, he probably is injured. LJ said in an interview something like "Knowing GO'N, he has probably worked himself too hard over the summer". Its a shame, I had really high hopes for him when he signed but I can't seem him being anything but a "bit part" player this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishpondsred Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Added very little last season despite initial promise. Little benefit in having him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamalagerdrinker Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Didn't rate him last season at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 53 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Really suspicious of this "he's injured" stuff, as we were also told that about Tomlin. Top of my list to go, a high earner who has contributed very little. Not that bothered about a replacement either, as Smith, Brownhill, Pack & Hegeler can all play there. Need a more creative, goal scoring midfielder if anything. Cardiff have one!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: Cardiff have one!!!!! Wittingham? Edit, just remembered he's left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 53 minutes ago, Tomarse said: Trouble is who would want him? We'd have to pay up his contract which isn't going to be cheap Wants a Millwall move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 minute ago, alexukhc said: Wants a Millwall move He alluded to as much when he was on Danny Baker`s show a week or two ago. Danny asked him if he would come back and the reply was something like, We`ll have to see what Neil (Harris) has to say about that`. Probably just banter but it seem he was trying to suggest it to me. Probably the signing last summer that I was most pleased with but most disappointed by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Shame we couldn't do a BOGOF with him and Tomlin to Cardiff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 55 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: He alluded to as much when he was on Danny Baker`s show a week or two ago. Danny asked him if he would come back and the reply was something like, We`ll have to see what Neil (Harris) has to say about that`. Probably just banter but it seem he was trying to suggest it to me. Probably the signing last summer that I was most pleased with but most disappointed by. Come and get me plea I thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Tomarse said: Trouble is who would want him? We'd have to pay up his contract which isn't going to be cheap As others have said I think he (and we) wants to go to Millwall. Even if they were interested we'd end up subsidising his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Injury prone and didn't seem to have the legs last season. I had higher expectations of him than what he delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Portland Bill said: Cardiff have one!!!!! I said goal scoring, 3 non penalties isn't goal scoring.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 2 hours ago, GrahamC said: Really suspicious of this "he's injured" stuff, as we were also told that about Tomlin. Top of my list to go, a high earner who has contributed very little. Not that bothered about a replacement either, as Smith, Brownhill, Pack & Hegeler can all play there. Need a more creative, goal scoring midfielder if anything. I wonder how many minutes GON and Tomlin spent on the pitch together from Sheffield Wednesday (away) til the end of the season? Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 The way LJ wants to play a pressing game I don't think GON fits into that high energy approach so definitely not a match day starter which means he is likely to be a last 15 min off the bench option if we need to see out a game. For what is probably reasonably decent wages that's a bit of a waste in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 2 hours ago, RedM said: Exactly. I couldn't tell anyone his style of play etc as I feel I hardly know him. Came with a good record but like others before him failed due to injuries. Happy to commute and play golf, but that's about it. Luckily we have only a years wages to pay up if we decide to. I was disappointed by his weary , powder puff crosses and free kicks but at the beginning he ran the show . He may have burnt out . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Portland Bill said: Cardiff have one!!!!! Nah!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: I was disappointed by his weary , powder puff crosses and free kicks but at the beginning he ran the show . He may have burnt out . This may just be me but my impression was he ran out of the will/want to play In the same way Tomlin did. I think LJ would let him go in a heartbeat if someone wanted him and I think the player would not let the door bang him on the ass on the way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 2 hours ago, alexukhc said: Wants a Millwall move To be honest it's not difficult if thats what he wants to do. He can rip up his contract with us and sign for them on 3k a week. That won't hurt their budget too much. But then again when was the last time a modern footballer done something for their love of the game and not their bank balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: As others have said I think he (and we) wants to go to Millwall. Even if they were interested we'd end up subsidising his wages. Graham would rather compromise and pay as will save against a whole year of sat in the stands or back in his house at London.Cannot see him starting or playing too much so best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 GON is at the age where injuries are harder to shake off . We need value for money so ship him out to a London club, pay part of his wages but get gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 5 hours ago, Ser Davos Ciderworth said: Should he stay or should he go? On the one hand he's permanently injured, no doubt on high wages, commutes from London and we have cover in his position. On the other he brings undoubted quality and experience (including of promotion) which could help a young squad. On balance I think I'd say keep him but what do others think? In reality, no one is likely to come in for him especially on the wages he's rumoured to be on here! So what's the chances of him just walking away? I would say that whether we want him here or not, he'll be staying unless we pay him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 When fit he was one of our best players on the pitch...imho. No-one in our midfield won a 40:60 challenge all season apart from GON. We just didn't get a fit GON on the pitch often enough. Why was that? I do wonder whether he disliked the way LT went about his 'work' on the pitch and in training, and probably fell out with LJ as LT kept getting away with it. Wasn't there a rumour that GON went to SL? I won't write him off yet, but he's gonna be a few weeks behind everyone, or perhaps he's just sorting out a move. You'd expect him to be seen 'reporting for duty', even if it's lightweight stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 55 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I do wonder whether he disliked the way LT went about his 'work' on the pitch and in training, and probably fell out with LJ as LT kept getting away with it. Wasn't there a rumour that GON went to SL? Interesting theory would like to know the truth behind it, it seems Tomlin was a malign and pervasive influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Our best midfielder.....when fit.....which is almost never. Due to that and his age let him go....what I will say is that when playing regularly he was very very good indeed. But he's old....which is probably the only reason why we got him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Londoner said: Our best midfielder.....when fit.....which is almost never. Due to that and his age let him go....what I will say is that when playing regularly he was very very good indeed. But he's old....which is probably the only reason why we got him.... Talk at the time was that Norwich would only give him a year but we offered two - no idea if it`s true or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Acton Red Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 6 hours ago, City1984 said: All thing considered I'd like to be saying goodbye. Been a massive disappointment for me who along side Tomlin, feels like a complete waste of a healthy wage. Both were a big disapointment last season,the two highest earners who must of been on around £45-£50 grand a week between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: When fit he was one of our best players on the pitch...imho. No-one in our midfield won a 40:60 challenge all season apart from GON. We just didn't get a fit GON on the pitch often enough. Why was that? I do wonder whether he disliked the way LT went about his 'work' on the pitch and in training, and probably fell out with LJ as LT kept getting away with it. Wasn't there a rumour that GON went to SL? I won't write him off yet, but he's gonna be a few weeks behind everyone, or perhaps he's just sorting out a move. You'd expect him to be seen 'reporting for duty', even if it's lightweight stuff. Wasn't the story that LT and GON together went to SL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Wasn't the story that LT and GON together went to SL? That blows my theory then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 7 hours ago, Ser Davos Ciderworth said: Should he stay or should he go? On the one hand he's permanently injured, no doubt on high wages, commutes from London and we have cover in his position. On the other he brings undoubted quality and experience (including of promotion) which could help a young squad. On balance I think I'd say keep him but what do others think? Cheerio from me. Pack offers way more than GON for me. Not quite stealing a wage but he aint far off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 15 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Wasn't the story that LT and GON together went to SL? I thought it was that too i also thought everyone wanted LJ out and GON to step up as caretaker boss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Get rid, he's not the future of the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 8 hours ago, pride of the west said: But then again when was the last time a modern footballer done something for their love of the game and not their bank balance. On ripping up of contracts...I googled it and all I got was one entry.. Something about an Ashton Gate 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 6 hours ago, Fordy62 said: Wasn't the story that LT and GON together went to SL? Was a rumour Im more certain that he told LJ 'what he thought' in no uncertain terms pre Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFree Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 A fit O Neil adds great value, problem is that seldom is he fit.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 6 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Was a rumour Im more certain that he told LJ 'what he thought' in no uncertain terms pre Christmas What was his problem with Johnson does anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, cynic said: LJ called Tomlin Fatty and made him cry. The Tomlin called LJ shortarse and that made him cry. Since then, they've not spoken. Apparently. The truth hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 minute ago, downendcity said: The truth hurts. So does a smack in the gob . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted July 17, 2017 Admin Share Posted July 17, 2017 19 hours ago, Davefevs said: I wonder how many minutes GON and Tomlin spent on the pitch together from Sheffield Wednesday (away) til the end of the season? Just saying Ignoring stoppage time, they spent 1091 minutes together on the pitch post Sheff Weds away. Source: soccerbase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B block Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 3 hours ago, cynic said: LJ called Tomlin Fatty and made him cry. The Tomlin called LJ shortarse and that made him cry. Since then, they've not spoken. Apparently. Johnson told tomlin if he didn't stop calling him names he'd tell his dad not to pick him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 17 hours ago, Fordy62 said: Wasn't the story that LT and GON together went to SL? Aw, did they car share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Just now, Woodsy said: Aw, did they car share? Unfortunately Tammy was driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Sometimes experienced signings make sense and work well - e.g. Wilbraham. Sometimes they don't. O'Neill is sadly in the latter category. If you're going to bring in this sort of player they need to be in the team running things every week, and for whatever reason he fell out of favour quite quickly. If he wants a move I'd let him go provided we're not paying up the rest of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Step forward OTIB's new scapegoat , I give you Mr Gary " I'm not injured " O'Neill . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Mr Gary NO'Neill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Is GO'N still here? Oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 G'ON today? G'ON now? maybe G'ON tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 He's got a year left so I'd keep him unless he's going to a league 1 club. Not letting him go to a championship team. Big wages but again only a year. I'm content trying to get him fit and come off the bench and start some cup games. That simple really. You just know he'd be Millwall's player of the year if he went there. No thanks, he's welcome to Portsmouth though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Worst signing in many years. The amount he has cost us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourne End Red Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: Worst signing in many years. The amount he has cost us. That's one hell of a statement mate. There are many to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 ...back in training today. A fit Gary O'Neil is a good player at this level. Maybe I'm too loyal. But not ready to write him off yet, if he stats fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 41 minutes ago, Davefevs said: ...back in training today. A fit Gary O'Neil is a good player at this level. Maybe I'm too loyal. But not ready to write him off yet, if he stats fit. Has he gone to Tenerife? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey is Right Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 He has indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, JimmyDanger said: He has indeed. Ahahaha the enigma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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