Guest BTR_FTG Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I rather liked the Chairman's pointed remark that the offer on the table for Carey was a good one for, "a Second Division footballer." Shame he didn't tell it like us traditionalists in reminding Carey that he's actually a Third Division footballer & a not terribly good one at that. Carey's counter spin is laughable -"attracting interest from two First Division Clubs.." Who they? Torquay & Torquay Reserves? Why is it that City attract (and keep) the type of player who believe they should be rewarded for mediocrity? Carey should be grateful that City have employed him for so long, not taking the Michael by thinking he should be rewarded for City's stagnant beneficence. Perhaps Mr. Lansdown should offer Carey's agent a highlights tape of his clients distribution last season. See what interest that might attract? BTR FTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakleyson Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 This is spot on in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Absolutely. Probably the best comment I've seen on the forum regarding the Carey issue. One Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I'm amazed that City fans can take this totally inappropriate view of Louis. He has been the most loyal of City players in the last eight years, and was a key part of the promotion campaign in the late 90s. Anyone who can remember his performance away to Watford in that promotion year would not dismiss him as 3rd division quality. He was elected to the PFA select team by his peers last year who, I would humbly suggest, know a bit more about footballing quality than the average City fan. He has been a great servant to this club - and a local lad as well - and I have never seen him give less than 100% when he plays, which you cannot say of many City players. It will be a tragedy if he goes, but if he does I for one would wish him well. I've been supporting City for over 40 years and there haven't been many players in that entire period that I would rate as having more committed to City than Louis. The gibes about Torquay Utd are entirely misplaced. Derby County are one of the teams interested in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I'm amazed that City fans can take this totally inappropriate view of Louis. He has been the most loyal of City players in the last eight years, and was a key part of the promotion campaign in the late 90s. Anyone who can remember his performance away to Watford in that promotion year would not dismiss him as 3rd division quality. He was elected to the PFA select team by his peers last year who, I would humbly suggest, know a bit more about footballing quality than the average City fan. He has been a great servant to this club - and a local lad as well - and I have never seen him give less than 100% when he plays, which you cannot say of many City players. It will be a tragedy if he goes, but if he does I for one would wish him well. I've been supporting City for over 40 years and there haven't been many players in that entire period that I would rate as having more committed to City than Louis. The gibes about Torquay Utd are entirely misplaced. Derby County are one of the teams interested in him. ← How do you quantify loyalty? There is NO loyalty in football, only the fans. Carey is no more or less loyal than the next player, he does his job (Averagely) then picks up his pay checki. Perhaps the reason he has never left the club is due to the small matter that no-one has ever been interesdted in him! If all you can come up with is one performance in 8 years then that really says it all, concerning the PFA team each player gets one vote so I would say that they only ever see him playing twice at the max!! I think us fans are actually better positioned to judge a players performance over the whole season. It will not be a tragedy if he goes, an average right back is very easily replaceable. For the record after his immature outburst in the media I do not really see how he can stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LeicesterRed Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I'm amazed that City fans can take this totally inappropriate view of Louis. He has been the most loyal of City players in the last eight years, and was a key part of the promotion campaign in the late 90s. Anyone who can remember his performance away to Watford in that promotion year would not dismiss him as 3rd division quality. He was elected to the PFA select team by his peers last year who, I would humbly suggest, know a bit more about footballing quality than the average City fan. He has been a great servant to this club - and a local lad as well - and I have never seen him give less than 100% when he plays, which you cannot say of many City players. It will be a tragedy if he goes, but if he does I for one would wish him well. I've been supporting City for over 40 years and there haven't been many players in that entire period that I would rate as having more committed to City than Louis. The gibes about Torquay Utd are entirely misplaced. Derby County are one of the teams interested in him. Hope he enjoys Derby then. I think he will regret leaving this club at his leisure. I don`t want him to go, but if money is the issue the Chairman is entirely right in sticking him out. I`ve said it before and I`ll say it again, I`d like to see him and people like him come and do the job I do for the money I get and compare it to what he has now. Perhaps he`d realise what the real world is like, and it isn`t the world of cross country runs and kicking a football out. Greed has already ruined numerous clubs, and I`m pleased to see it isn`t on the cards to ruin ours at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady bunch Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 It all comes back to what you mean by loyalty? Yes he has played for us for a number of years, I do not doubt his commitment in games during that time, but has he ever turned down a big money move? I do not think one has ever been offered.. I think he has to realise that he is part of a team that has badly under performed given the funds and buying power it has enjoyed at this level. Yes one or two players will be on more (just as one or two colleagues where I work are on more then me). But a true sign of loyalty is to sign up and accept this as a fact of life. Instead he seems to be acting like a spoilt brat - maybe an honest way is to tell us the fans just WHAT he has been offered (As we all make a healthy contribution to his wage packet).. Let us be the judge of how fair it is given that most of us would happly do it for free.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Careys main qualities are his consistancy(he rarely has a 'mare)and his attacking.He would be a first team certaincy if he stayed.There isn't another right back of his quality at the club so replacing him would cost money. People seem to miss what Carey was saying in the press.As I understand it he was complaining that other players from outside have been coming in on better money than Carey who has been at City since he was a boy.He felt that the Bristolian lads were being taken for granted and their loyalty not being rewarded. Now I feel he's got a point.I wouldn't like it if some other bloke came to my work place from outside and got paid more for doing the same job as me. What we haven't heard is a response to Carey's complaint from the club. Now that Carey has made his views known and been offered a better and final deal he should sign it if he wants to stay loyal to his home town club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 What we haven't heard is a response to Carey's complaint from the club. And nor should we, there is no need to air our dirty linen in public! Tinnion has given the press enough ammo since he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 People seem to miss what Carey was saying in the press.As I understand it he was complaining that other players from outside have been coming in on better money than Carey who has been at City since he was a boy.He felt that the Bristolian lads were being taken for granted and their loyalty not being rewarded. Now I feel he's got a point.I wouldn't like it if some other bloke came to my work place from outside and got paid more for doing the same job as me. ← He may have a point, I don't know. But, while you wouldn't like it if it happened at your place of work, would you expect to strengthen your position or change the opinion of your boss in a favourable manner, by bleating about how unfair he is to the local papers? Now that Carey has made his views known and been offered a better and final deal he should sign it if he wants to stay loyal to his home town club. The deal, as far as I can tell, is the same one he was moaning about. Why would he sign it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 He is a defender - I'm sure Gary Neville aint on the same money as Nistelrooy.. at the end of the day, what consistent cover have we got? Amankwaah? He has been injured for far too long.. Coles? Aint a Right back Fortune? Same as.. So that to me is worth a contract.. But you are right, we shouldnt offer him a bumper package for being here during our "glory years" in these divisions - for me - take it or leave it Louis. I want you to take it, and I'm sure there arent many people on here that would disagree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 He may have a point, I don't know. But, while you wouldn't like it if it happened at your place of work, would you expect to strengthen your position or change the opinion of your boss in a favourable manner, by bleating about how unfair he is to the local papers? The deal, as far as I can tell, is the same one he was moaning about. Why would he sign it now? ← Well, bleating is not the word I would use.Carey obviously feels aggrieved at what he sees as an injustice and he must have felt that the public needed to know that there is unfairness in the wage structure at AG.The public wouldn't be interested in my job complaints but then I'm not a local pro footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 With Derbys record in recent years of players, I'd have thought that perfectly sums Carey up...........too good for us, naaaaaaaaaaah dont think so mate, in your time here we havent exactly lit the football league up, have we??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesco Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I think some people are remember Carey for things he did a few years ago, You can't judge how much he should be on because of his great performance at Watford in our promotion season. Yes Carey has been a good player but if Tinnion thinks he has a contract that values his performance then I'm with the club on this. Am I not right that Carey said something along the lines of 'I couldn't sit on the team bus knowning that players on there are getting more than me' Well if I did quote that right that suggest to me that he wants to be the highest paid player at the club. He is trying to rip the club off and I think City have done well and stuck by their offer and not upsetting the finacial situation at the club just for one player which would then become 2,3,4 etc. This does all depend though on how much the club has offered but like I said I reckon Tinnion and the board have probably been fair to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zookeeper Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Carey had an interveiw with the PFA website guys. It is pretty much the same as the evening post but the link is below Carey Interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cider Red Sam Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I personally want him to stay but if I'm honest I'm really not to bothered whether he does or not. I think Amankwaah has the potential to become a far better player than Carey is/ever will be, and if Cary doesn't sign, Tinman will have little option but to give Amankwaah a chance. Also, if he did resign it would be interesing to see how his comments in the evening post effect morale in the camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grebes Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Why should we pay players more than others get paid at Swindon or Colchester? As a player which club would you prefere to play for? What thrilling places they would be to settle down in. I am on my holibobs so a bit behind. Is it right that Brown's gone to Stoke? Nice place honest! I know this has probably been discussed already, but I have lost pretty much all respect for the players. It's all money. Have we sold many season tickets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex_mike Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Careys distribustion was great compared too any other right back in our division BTR FTG you are wrong his distribustion was good and although a few other points were true you are wrong in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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