Guest simmos the gaffer Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Has anyone heard how the contract talks for Matty and (to a lesser degree) Carey went yesterday? I have heard that Millwall are sniffing around after Hill (Their left back that played in the cup final has just signed for the Gas!!!). The only good thing is that cos of his age we would get some sort of fee but in these days how much is that likely to be? Not the sort of player we want to lose so hopefully we can sort something out on the contract front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 If Hill does refuse to sign then I will look on with a lot of interest as to what will happen with him because I honestly can't see anybody wanting to buy him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest simmos the gaffer Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 If Hill does refuse to sign then I will look on with a lot of interest as to what will happen with him because I honestly can't see anybody wanting to buy him! ← My source is similar to lots on here but originates from his (Hills)family and apparently unless he gets better terms he will sign for Millwall this week! Apart from giving the odd penalty away i think he is a half decent player that would probably cope in a higher division. We'll have to wait and see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Distribution. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest poolered Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Distribution. Nuff said. ← Good in the air, great tackler , 100% commitment, distribution no worse than Coles, Carey and Butler, replacement Woodman , Enough said ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Distribution a lot worse than Coles and even Carey and Butler. Hill has been targeted as a weaklink in our side in the past by other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Distribution a lot worse than Coles and even Carey and Butler. Hill has been targeted as a weaklink in our side in the past by other teams. ← How do you know he's been targeted? Reliable source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dingster Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I think we'd have finished a lot lower in the league if the the rest of the defense's distribution was as bad as hill's. Although i do hope he stays - the rest of his attributes can't be faulted as this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 How do you know he's been targeted? Reliable source? ← I thought it was fairly obvious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I thought it was fairly obvious! ← Have I missed something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Oh c'mon, the guy was a joke! Every game he cost us goals, he scored own goals, made hand balls, gave away penalties, set-up the opposition by slicing the ball etc, I couldn't believe what I was seeing at times. It always looked as if teams were playing the ball long into Matty Hill and then having loads of runners going at him waiting for the mistakes. Admittedly he has improved though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Oh c'mon, the guy was a joke! Every game he cost us goals, he scored own goals, made hand balls, gave away penalties, set-up the opposition by slicing the ball etc, I couldn't believe what I was seeing at times. It always looked as if teams were playing the ball long into Matty Hill and then having loads of runners going at him waiting for the mistakes. Admittedly he has improved though. ← So, when you say he's been targeted, this is something you've decided for yourself as opposed to someone from another club informing you of this tactic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 It didn't take Einstein to work it out mate. Everybody seemed aware that he was a liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 It didn't take Einstein to work it out mate. Everybody seemed aware that he was a liability. ← When you say 'everybody' who does that include? I was'nt aware he was a liability, in fact I think defensively he is one of the best players at the club and we look a lot tighter when he plays, hardly a reason to 'fire long balls at him'. mate. Of course Einstein did'nt work it out, has'nt he been dead a good while now? We'd better ask Edson he's good with time issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 No more word games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Oh c'mon, the guy was a joke! Every game he cost us goals, he scored own goals, made hand balls, gave away penalties, set-up the opposition by slicing the ball etc, I couldn't believe what I was seeing at times. It always looked as if teams were playing the ball long into Matty Hill and then having loads of runners going at him waiting for the mistakes. Admittedly he has improved though. ← No, this is'nt word games, when you fling statements around like you have in this post, myself and maybe one or two others are interested to know how you arrived at that position. 'EVERY GAME HE COST US GOALS' Is this really every game, is it every other game(23 a season), or is it maybe 2 or 3 in three seasons(138 games) that you seem to have chosen to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Shut up Roger Red Hat. It seemed every game he was costing us goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TimmerD Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Shut up Roger Red Hat. It seemed every game he was costing us goals ← What even at home to Brighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 What even at home to Brighton ← Yeah, he mis-controlled the ball in the box and Bobby Zamora capitalised and scored, was an important top of the table clash as well, they won 1-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbob Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I think it's important that we try and keep Hill, more so than Carey. Yes, his distribution is woeful but his general defending is good and as I would expect him to play in a three man defence (if Tins does go 3-5-2) he will be vital to us. As for Millwall's so say interest, no disrespect to Hill but would a Div 1 (League Championship, whatever it is) side really want a player who can't distribute a ball effectively as a left back. As a centre back yes, but as a left back I'm not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Yeah, he mis-controlled the ball in the box and Bobby Zamora capitalised and scored, was an important top of the table clash as well, they won 1-0. ← I'm counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Roger, I'd be hear alday if I listed all the goals we conceded due to Hill from 2000 to 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TimmerD Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Yeah, he mis-controlled the ball in the box and Bobby Zamora capitalised and scored, was an important top of the table clash as well, they won 1-0. ← Apologies, I should have put at home v Brighton in the 2003/4 season - or is humour not allowed on here anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mercury Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 We had the tightest defense in the division last season, Hill is not the best, but 100% committed, yes he gets a nose bleed if he goes past the half line but maybe him staying back isn't a bad thing, he can't be that bad if the only incidence you can recall of him giving away every goal we ever conceded, was the one against brighton where Bobby Zamora scored. I'll be glad when the season starts, then perhaps, you'll have no reason to attack players. I feel we will do what Plymouth did this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Roger, I'd be hear alday if I listed all the goals we conceded due to Hill from 2000 to 2002. ← Better get started then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 he can't be that bad if the only incidence you can recall of him giving away every goal we ever conceded, was the one against brighton where Bobby Zamora scored. ← Look at the quote you idiot and how fast I replied, it seemed like every game he would give a goal away and make mistakes, I just couldn't believe my eyes. If you can't remember those days then you need your heads tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Better get started then. ← I can't be bothered, there are just way way too many! I don't know where to start. Sorry mate, I just can't be bothered, too many mistakes! Admittedly though, he has improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_C Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Look to the future eh? not the past. all players make mistakes not just M H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 No but seriously, it was unbelievable at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mercury Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Look at the quote you idiot and how fast I replied, it seemed like every game he would give a goal away and make mistakes, I just couldn't believe my eyes. If you can't remember those days then you need your heads tested. Have you any proof that I am an idiot? I think not, you really do get upset if everyone doesn't agree with you don't you, I hope you have a huge supply of dummies, you seem to through one out of your pram every time time someone disagrees with your opinion. Perhaps next time you go to the gate, you should remember your glasses, your eyesight is obviously fefective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zookeeper Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Hill has been targeted as a weaklink in our side in the past by other teams. ← I have often thought that Hill has been targeted in games due to his height. The opposition always seem to try to stick the tall bloke on him. The only downfall to your argument is that he normally always outjumps them, out muscles them and wins the ball. Everyone knows his distribution lacks but he more than makes up for it in his other qualities. Yes he has made mistakes, but that is to be expected from a youngster. A lot more experienced players also make mistakes that cost us goals. He is one of the best defensive players we have had in recent times. He is also young and improving, as you say have said yourself. Why would we want to get rid of a player who helped us to the best defensive record even when playing in his less accomplished position of left back. Next season he will be playing in a position I prefer him playing in. I don't want to see him leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beezey Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I can't be bothered, there are just way way too many! I don't know where to start. Sorry mate, I just can't be bothered, too many mistakes! Admittedly though, he has improved. ← So by going on your rules any player that wasnt the complete football irrelvent of age should be released ? Tinman was pretty useless for a spell at the club so should he go ? Surely if he continues to improve as YOU have stated then in the next couple of years he will be one of the best players we have ? Oh and that goal against Brighton was more to do with Mike Stowells poor position, He should have saved it easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest citygal Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 If he wants to go let him go but of he stays stop slagging him off and give him and the rest of the team 100% support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadratinmycider Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I have often thought that Hill has been targeted in games due to his height. The opposition always seem to try to stick the tall bloke on him. The only downfall to your argument is that he normally always outjumps them, out muscles them and wins the ball. Everyone knows his distribution lacks but he more than makes up for it in his other qualities. Yes he has made mistakes, but that is to be expected from a youngster. A lot more experienced players also make mistakes that cost us goals. He is one of the best defensive players we have had in recent times. He is also young and improving, as you say have said yourself. Why we would we want to get rid of a player who helped us to the best defensive record even when playing in his less accomplished position of left back. Next season he will be playing in a position I prefer him playing in. I don't want to see him leave. Summed up to perfection, thanks zookeeper. ← Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyderman Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Without a doubt Hill is one of the best defensive players at the club, and we really need to hang on to him. His distribution is poor but that will improve over time- remember he is still only 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest citygal Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Without a doubt Hill is one of the best defensive players at the club, and we really need to hang on to him. His distribution is poor but that will improve over time- remember he is still only 22. ← Exactly, id like to see half you lot play as good a game of football as hill at 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rikku Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Exactly, id like to see half you lot play as good a game of football as hill at 22 ← I don't think you can argue that just because forum members don't have the same talent/ability as a professional footballer that they shouldn't make judgements or complaints. I don't necessarily agree with people who are giving him a complete slating - I do think his distribution is poor and it can be extremely frustrating at times, but he is a good defender and a valuable member of the squad in my opinion. I can't play football to save my life, but surely I can voice my opinion about the merits and shortcomings of the professionals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 load of poo him goin to millwall, hill is a great player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DANBOY_BCFC Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Matty passing is bad at times but Colesy is diabolical! Mr Row Z. I think he's our best defender, offers more than the Coles and Butler, he can get forward fast to support and get back quickly when required. Brilliant in the air for a small guy aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyderman Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Exactly, id like to see half you lot play as good a game of football as hill at 22 ← Yes, but we're not being paid seveal thousand a year to play football. It is the fans money that pays the player's wages, so we are entitled to opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Roger, I'd be hear alday if I listed all the goals we conceded due to Hill from 2000 to 2002. ← And are we not currently in 2004, or have I completely missed something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest poolered Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 tinnion's cider army suggest u stay away from the strong stuff because u either dont go to games or must be ###### when u get there . Your player judgment is about as good as old Danny boy. Hill is a top player for us and if he goes we will regret it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza247 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I don't see how anyone can not rate Matt Hill..well not even slightly! He always seems to be giving 110%, chases every lost-cause at pace and gets forward, jumps as high as 6 foot Centre backs and is the best at timing late-challenges at the club(in my opinion)! His distribution at times can be woeful but apart from that he has the makings of a quality defender, first and foremost he's paid to defend..which he does superbly well. At least when Matty makes a mistake you can tell by his facial expressions that it hurts him as well as us...he seems to have got rid of his tendancy to give away penalties(Leicester etc)by handballing. I will be absolutely devastated if Matt Hill decides to leave(more so than Carey)as he can only improve. He has improved greatly every season since he's been in the First-team and from reports on the official-site he knows where his weaknesses lie and is trying to improve his all round game. Sure I remember reading that his nickname is "busy" as he always stays behind after training to practice-also been reported in the past that Tinnion has been working on the distribution with him in training which should indicate that the two have a good relationship(no jokes needed!). To me Matt Hill is a prime example of what Bristol City is about at the moment...young, local players that are noticeably improving season after season. Sign that contract Matty...please!! We love you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted July 14, 2004 Admin Share Posted July 14, 2004 Distribution a lot worse than Coles and even Carey and Butler. Hill has been targeted as a weaklink in our side in the past by other teams. ← .....but you're the latest incarnation of royals4ever why would we accept your assessment of our players over our own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted July 14, 2004 Admin Share Posted July 14, 2004 Shut up Roger Red Hat. It seemed every game he was costing us goals ← .....and being a Reading fan you watched "every game" did you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted July 14, 2004 Admin Share Posted July 14, 2004 Roger, I'd be hear alday if I listed all the goals we conceded due to Hill from 2000 to 2002. ← .....and what did Wayne Rooney do in those years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cyprus_Red Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 i rate hill very highly i agree his distribution could be better but as a defender he is a very good player Wins a lot of headers (especially for his size) Wins his tackles Has a good understanding with other defenders at the club I would hate to see hill leave and especially to those millwall ####s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GoneWest Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Ehhh.... 'only 22' ....footballers should be playing to their full potential at 22. We spend hundreds of thousands on coaching every year. The first team 'youngsters' are on wages that most of us wouldn't earn in 5 years. Every blooming season the happy clappies, the Scouts, the under pressure managers excuse basic lack of skills by say 'they're only young'. Well possibly a defence at 17, 18 or 19 (although isn't that what the Academy's about?). At 22, while defence splitting balls may too much to ask, an ability to pass to a team mate 20 yards away is a reasonable expectation. To me, Hilly had one season left to prove himself at at our level. Undoubtedly, (very) high marks for his tackling, heading and commitment but atrocious passing and fatal lapses of concentration - critically - at the big games detracts from his other qualities big time. I think he probably could rise to the challenge and become a truly accomplished player (although Tins has worked with him on his passing already so that doesn't bode particularly well). That said, if he wants out then so be it. Still feeling pretty bitter about any player looking for an improved contract after that PO fiasco. So a sad loss but not irreplacable. I should think the departure of another home grown player will be the final nail in the coffin of the Academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza247 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Although on a slightly less serious note if Matt Hill does sign for Millwall(God forbid!)he could be playing in the UEFA Cup in the next few months!! As much as I like the guy and want him to play for City really don't think he's quite ready to face the likes of Newcastle, Lazio and Parma should he join the Lions..!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bristolbred Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 If Hill went to Millwall, then i suppose he'll be wondering what the chants will be towards himself, as well as a certain yellow coloured fruit being lobbed at himself too!!, If he has got any balls, then he'll be signing up for City!!, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I'm willing to bet my house that a Championship club would not buy Matthew Hill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted July 15, 2004 Admin Share Posted July 15, 2004 I'm willing to bet my house that a Championship club would not buy Matthew Hill! ← Ah but are you willing to stake your house that you are not really a Reading fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedUn Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Every blooming season the happy clappies, the Scouts, the under pressure managers excuse basic lack of skills by say 'they're only young'. Well possibly a defence at 17, 18 or 19 (although isn't that what the Academy's about?). At 22, while defence splitting balls may too much to ask, an ability to pass to a team mate 20 yards away is a reasonable expectation. ← Who was saying that last season? The record of the defence, comprised mainly of home-grown talent, was second to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Put it this way Hill or Carey?? I'd rather have Hill for all his faults...he's improved over the last two seasons, unlike Carey who is pretty much the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest albany P reds Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Cant see it myself. I like him but i don't think he's ready for a step ut. I would be saying this if he signed and we were promoted. Personally i think this "best defence in the league" is a bit misleading. Ok it was an ok defence but a lot of it was down to Wilsons defensive tactics throughout the team. Not having a go at them just pointing out that they had alot of help. Hill himself looks happier in a more central role than full back but his main problem is he lets the ball bounce too much giving the opposition the advantage. I do want him to sign because i'd like to see him in a back 3 but this "best defence" thing sadly i think has gone to his and louis's head a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest seaCider_red Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 why does everybody who comes on here start slagging off hill and carey . at the end of the day if your in a job and they offer you a pay rise and your not happy with it what do you do find a new job or put up with it .what you people have got to remember is that matt and louis both read the website and if they hear so called fans have a go all the time what would you want to do.same with peacock peacock gone for get it life goes on .bristol city are bigger than any player and will still be here when your murrays and tinnions hang up there boots.so lets get behind the players and staff that are at the club and enjoy the seasons a head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest simmos the gaffer Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Well that prompted a lively debate about the merits of Matty. But back to the original question has anyone heard on how the contract talks have gone?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 We played with four centre-backs for the whole season, and then tough-tacklers Doherty and Burnell in front of them for the first third of the season. A left-back on the left side of midfield (Bell), a central midfielder on the right side of midfield (Wilkshire), so what did you expect? I knew we wouldn't concede many goals when I saw the teams DW was putting out, couldn't believe it, we had the players to win promotion but they weren't used properly, even in the play-off final (Murray, Wilkshire and Goodfellow on the bench?!). We just kept it so tight at the start of the season for a few months, two big forwards (Lee's) as well. It certainly didn't suit us trying to be a Wigan/Plymouth because it's just not our style and never has been under DW, we were an attacking passing side before the start of last season (especially from 2000-2002), when DW finally realised that we needed to be more positive we climed to the top of the league (A.Brown and Tinman involved, Wilkshire inside, Goodfellow/Roberts right-wing etc). The reason we still didn't concede a lot after we became more positive was because of all the chances we were creating at the other end (no natural goalscorer to put it in the net though!). A.Brown's injury was a turning point, we didn't create as many chances after that and Wilkshire wasn't getting a look in, so that was our attacking midfielders just not playing. In the end it was abit silly because Tins and Doc's were in midfield just hanging back, Rougier a striker on the right side of midfield and Bell a left-back on the left side of midfield. No overlapping full-back's, Hill and Carey poor distribution, nothing between midfield and attack in the end, it just didn't look right to me. I was expecting A.Brown and Wilkshire to be our key players this season but one off them has buggered off elsewhere and the other has buggered of to Australia Glad we're playing 3-5-2 now though Blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jungle Jim Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Hill is in the squad for Saturday, so I'd take that as a fairly positive sign he's staying - surely Tins wouldn't be taking him if contract talks had gone badly this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GASHEAD_RUDGE Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I didnt see many of your games last season (only the ones on tv) but I always thought Hill seemed like one of your better players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zfc Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I have to agree I thought Hill was outstanding.Its a real shame for City that players like Matt Hill,Aaron Brown and Carey are leaving while wasters like Scott Murray who is a busted flush stays and earns more than the three of them put together. The derbies will be coming back sooner than you think unless we pass you next season, stranger things have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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