edson Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 So, I wonder how Louis will feeel if, the first time he gets on the Coventry team bus, the local players promptly march off and refuse to sit with him until they are assured he's earning less than them. He'll have to admit they have a fair point, presumably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 So, I wonder how Louis will feeel if, the first time he gets on the Coventry team bus, the local players promptly march off and refuse to sit with him until they are assured he's earning less than them. He'll have to admit they have a fair point, presumably. ← Why do you keep taking cheap shots at Carey? Is it because he dared to go public on what he saw as an unfair wage system at AG? where local Bristolian players weren't offered the same wage packages as the likes of Peacock et al? Is this just another (subtle?) way of you promoting your fixed pro-board stance yet again by ridiculing a player would many would say had a legitimate gripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunley Legend Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 There seem to be a lot of people on the forum who "know" what all the Bristol born players are on. If Doherty and Coles (who I believe are Bristolian) are being paid like paupers, why are they still at Ashton Gate when they could easily sign for far better sides than Coventry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilnin Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 A bit off topic here but just went to login to coventry's forum but to register, you need to give all sorts of crazy stuff! Here look ! Then go to fans forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilnin Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Doherty's irish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Army Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 As ive said before carey had no intention of signing another contract,i personally dont care he has gone,we only wont players that want to play for city. Thats why tinnion did not let him train. If wilson was still hear he would of stayed I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reds Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 There seem to be a lot of people on the forum who "know" what all the Bristol born players are on. If Doherty and Coles (who I believe are Bristolian) are being paid like paupers, why are they still at Ashton Gate when they could easily sign for far better sides than Coventry? ← Its because they love there club, and know we are contending for promotion.. Unlike the Browns and Careys of this world, Greed gets people nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunley Legend Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 If I had to stick my neck out without knowing the facts, my "Reliable Source" would tell me that Doherty and Coles are on a decent wedge. As loyal as they may be they wouldn't play for peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 Why do you keep taking cheap shots at Carey? Is it because he dared to go public on what he saw as an unfair wage system at AG? where local Bristolian players weren't offered the same wage packages as the likes of Peacock et al? Is this just another (subtle?) way of you promoting your fixed pro-board stance yet again by ridiculing a player would many would say had a legitimate gripe. ← Yawn. It's ok to have a cheap shot at me when I make a legitimate point though, is it? How unlike you to have double standards. 'Attacking the poster not the post' notwithstanding, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Yawn. It's ok to have a cheap shot at me when I make a legitimate point though, is it? How unlike you to have double standards. 'Attacking the poster not the post' notwithstanding, of course. ← Your original thread is what I'm complaining about but as you you wrote it ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 Your original thread is what I'm complaining about but as you you wrote it ..... ← I would offer a response, but as I haven't got the faintest idea what you're talking about, I'll have to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunley Legend Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Whatever the rights and wrongs I do not understand why Carey went whingeing like a child and threw his toys to the local rag. How many Chairman have given in on wage negotiations because the player concerned complained to the local press? No club can allow a precedent like that to be sent. My cynical mind says that he knew at that stage Coventry were interested anyway and just fancied a parting shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I'm guessing that the fact that they're under contract might be the reason that Coles and Doherty are with us. I wouldn't want to bet that they will be when their contracts expire. As for Edson, do you believe that someone born locally who contributes as much should be paid less then? That was all Louis wanted, parity with players brought in from outside (many of whom have contributed far, far less than he has) and to say that he wanted anything is else is misrepresentation. Nine years at one club looks pretty much like loyalty to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Now Wilson has gone, it dosn't take long to take the ###### out of other players that seem to have reason to stand firm against Manager & Board. I'm not too worried about LC moving on & to be honest I wish him well. Whether his stance did him any favours is up for question,but don't think the 'mis-timed' humour is substance for question. OK, for the other Official voice of BCFC - Incider. But as another thread stated, it looks as if the DW connection is much to do with the loss of many out of contract players? Or are we looking at players who are after better rewards for such a short career? Bottom line is players come & go & BCFC move forward. Good luck LC,you may not find such fickle fans at Coventry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 As for Edson, do you believe that someone born locally who contributes as much should be paid less then? That was all Louis wanted, parity with players brought in from outside (many of whom have contributed far, far less than he has) and to say that he wanted anything is else is misrepresentation. Nine years at one club looks pretty much like loyalty to me. ← I haven't judged whether Louis has a legitimate gripe or not. I don't have the figures, so I'm in no position to know whether he has a fair point or not. I've merely suggested that he can't complain if Coventry's local players have the same attitude to him as he had to players who have arrived from outside the area, purely because the pay cheque is bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 Now Wilson has gone, it dosn't take long to take the ###### out of other players that seem to have reason to stand firm against Manager & Board. I'm not too worried about LC moving on & to be honest I wish him well. Whether his stance did him any favours is up for question,but don't think the 'mis-timed' humour is substance for question. OK, for the other Official voice of BCFC - Incider. ← Yes, that's right, richie. The Incider is the official voice of BCFC. At least you're very much your own, independent man, though. When's your next Fans' Committee meeting with the Chief Exec. and other members of staff, by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I would offer a response, but as I haven't got the faintest idea what you're talking about, I'll have to pass. ← Thats a suprise but I suppose I'll have to put it in simpler terms. I am complaining that your thread is taking cheapshots at Carey after his public comments about the wage structure at AG. I then ask what lies behind such unessecary remarks and suggested a few possible reasons. You made reference to "attacking the poster not the post".Well, as you wrote the post that I am attacking,indirectly I must be attacking you...its not really complicated and the same maxim could be applied to many threads on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedUn Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Thats a suprise but I suppose I'll have to put it in simpler terms. ← Game On! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Yes, that's right, richie. The Incider is the official voice of BCFC. At least you're very much your own, independent man, though. When's your next Fans' Committee meeting with the Chief Exec. and other members of staff, by the way? ← Poster & post - Funny,how anyone who tries the same sort of humour,gets the Wilson & Carey treatment. But thanks for reminding me, the next FCC meeting is on the 22nd July. Where the connection is with my response to your post I don't know,but thanx again for the FCC reminder. On the Incider point,I was thinking that this type of humour is just right for the Incider.I have to forget that it has no Official undertones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 Thats a suprise but I suppose I'll have to put it in simpler terms. I am complaining that your thread is taking cheapshots at Carey after his public comments about the wage structure at AG. I then ask what lies behind such unessecary remarks and suggested a few possible reasons. You made reference to "attacking the poster not the post".Well, as you wrote the post that I am attacking it,indirectly I must be attacking you...its not really complicated and the same maxim could be applied to many threads on here. ← Yes, and it's something you moaned about, when it was done to a mate of yours (I recall you starting an entire new topic about it). Can we assume you retract that defence now, then? Where have I taken a cheap shot? I've merely suggested that he cannot, in my opinion, take offence, if Coventry-born players take exception to him, as he took exception to outsiders at Bristol City. Nowhere do I state whether his gripe was just or not, as I don't have the figures to know one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 On the Incider point,I was thinking that this type of humour is just right for the Incider.I have to forget that it has no Official undertones. ← Well, you don't read it anyway, so you shouldn't need to remind yourself too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Yes, and it's something you moaned about, when it was done to a mate of yours (I recall you starting an entire new topic about it). Can we assume you retract that defence now, then? Where have I taken a cheap shot? I've merely suggested that he cannot, in my opinion, take offence, if Coventry-born players take exception to him, as he took exception to outsiders at Bristol City. Nowhere do I state whether his gripe was just or not, as I don't have the figures to know one way or the other. ← Tonights post is not the first cheap shot you've taken at Carey.You seem to have some kind of (hidden?) agenda to ridicule a player who exposed what he sees as unfairness in the City wage structure.Its a well used political move to mock and ridicule someone in an effort to discredit them - thereby protecting you rown position.Its very tranparent. Is that too complicated for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wurzel_Bill Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I am sorry to see Lois go - he was a quality player and I would like to see him back. Cut his veins and I am sure that it would be 100% scrumpy that flows - just read his Green 'un entries! I fear that Lois may be overlooked at Coventry although they are a much lesser team than us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 Tonights post is not the first cheap shot you've taken at Carey.You seem to have some kind of (hidden?) agenda to ridicule a player who exposed what he sees as unfairness in the City wage structure.Its a well used political move to mock and ridicule someone in an effort to discredit them - thereby protecting you rown position.Its very tranparent. Is that too complicated for you? ← I think I can cope, but thanks for your concern. Remind me what the position is that I need to protect. I'm fascinated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I think I can cope, but thanks for your concern. Remind me what the position is that I need to protect. I'm fascinated. ← Phew......this is hard work. Your position seems to be to protect and defend the structure at AG at all costs against any level of critism from whatever source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 Phew......this is hard work. Your position seems to be to protect and defend the structure at AG at all costs against any level of critism from whatever source. ← No, my position is to give my opinion, if and when I see fit. Try it some time, you may find it more rewarding than a constant muddle of double standards. You object to people attacking the poster (if it's your mate) not the post, but have no trouble doing just that yourself (see above). You object to players having testimonials, but were instrumental in helping with Tins' Testimonial Quiz Night. You object to people taking cheap shots, even when the point is explained to you as no such thing. Yet you have no trouble in taking shots at me. Try having an opinion and sticking with it, then maybe it will be easier to understand what your opinion actually is, and to take it seriously, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc seattle Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Doherty's irish ← that should read more like Doherty's "irish" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numbeast Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 It's interesting reading the opinions on this subject and I'm not knocking anyones opinion because it make interesting reading. I also read Steve Lansdown opinion on Careys contract which said in his opinion it was a good contract. In the same paper a few nights later Carey said in his opinion he thought he deserved to be paid on a par with the players brought into the club. So to me it seem we are allowed an opinion Steve Lansdowns allowed to voice his opinion but the player who's contract was in question had to keep quiet and have no public opinion. I think something is not quite right with that philosophy some how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset_Cider Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I think I can cope, but thanks for your concern. Remind me what the position is that I need to protect. I'm fascinated. ← Oh .... it's the way you tell em Edson....... your format has become so predictable, sorry just had to say. Please do not take my comments as an insult but perhaps you need to look within? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 You object to players having testimonials, but were instrumental in helping with Tins' Testimonial Quiz Night. Is that the same Quiz night that Tinnion refused to speak at & give thanks to those who turned up those who put hard work into the organisation. And if I remember wasn't even there when the prizes were given out? Oh, and just remind us whose team you were on Edson? And as for your response to the poster yet again, you never believe that other opinions are as valid as yours & that everyone who decides to question your motives/posts has double standards. Suggest you look at your own doorstep, before trying to lay cr'p at others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest footy frenzy Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 There seem to be a lot of people on the forum who "know" what all the Bristol born players are on. If Doherty and Coles (who I believe are Bristolian) are being paid like paupers, why are they still at Ashton Gate when they could easily sign for far better sides than Coventry? ← try this forum http://covcityfc.enarpi.co.uk/ccfcbb/index.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 You object to players having testimonials, but were instrumental in helping with Tins' Testimonial Quiz Night. Is that the same Quiz night that Tinnion refused to speak at & give thanks to those who turned up those who put hard work into the organisation. And if I remember wasn't even there when the prizes were given out? Oh, and just remind us whose team you were on Edson? And as for your response to the poster yet again, you never believe that other opinions are as valid as yours & that everyone who decides to question your motives/posts has double standards. Suggest you look at your own doorstep, before trying to lay cr'p at others. ← I can't speak on Tins' behalf. Why didn't you ask him? You were sitting there, after all. Perhaps you don't have the courage of your convictions (again). Tins stayed until the end, though he had to get straight off as there was training the next day and it finished very late, as I recall. I was on the Chairman's team. Why? Do you object to people befriending the chairman of Bristol City? How is Scott Davidson these days, by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 Oh .... it's the way you tell em Edson....... your format has become so predictable, sorry just had to say. Please do not take my comments as an insult but perhaps you need to look within? ← Fair enough. To my mind, it's the constant attempts to make me out as something I'm not that have become predictable, though reasonably amusing, I have to admit. Apologies for defending myself repeatedly, but I think I'm within my rights to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset_Cider Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 that should read more like Doherty's "irish" ← I'll show my stupidity here..... on the Official website it say's he was born in Bristol....... that makes him English to me..... but if he has since applied for Northern Irish citizenship that would make him Bristish..... which is what us English are considered to be on our census forms.... so TD would be English/ but of British/Irish (dependant on your views) desent? Tommy...... please can you clear this up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 So, I wonder how Louis will feeel if, the first time he gets on the Coventry team bus, the local players promptly march off and refuse to sit with him until they are assured he's earning less than them. He'll have to admit they have a fair point, presumably. ← I reckon so. Most of us (who work) have the choice to switch jobs if we're not happy with what we're on. Some do something about it, other stay and whinge because they're scared too to move on. I don't know the circumstances of Carey's offer from City either but if he didn't think it was fair at least he had the bottle to do something about it. We all love to talk about loyalty, but sometimes it's just a fear to leave your comfortable world and go out and prove yourself all over again. Good luck Louis, and although you never really set my world alight you gave your all for City whenever I seen you play. Right now, who's this Harley kid we should all be raving about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset_Cider Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Fair enough. To my mind, it's the constant attempts to make me out as something I'm not that have become predictable, though reasonably amusing, I have to admit. Apologies for defending myself repeatedly, but I think I'm within my rights to do so. ← I only suggested for you to look within and that your format had become predictable...... I did not judge you on your position..... only the way you have been putting it over, nothing more than I would ever say to RitchieB Call me what you may(you have not called me anything yet, I know)......... I also know all of us on here are decent chaps with a love of bristol City ... at heart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted July 15, 2004 Admin Share Posted July 15, 2004 And as for your response to the poster yet again, you never believe that other opinions are as valid as yours & that everyone who decides to question your motives/posts has double standards. Suggest you look at your own doorstep, before trying to lay cr'p at others. ← Sorry, but trawling back through, I'm struggling to find opinions about the original post from you. Edson gave his, but you and robbored seem to have merely replied by questioning his motives for posting (once again), rather than tackling the original post. Yes, I am friends with 'edson', which is why I have attempted to steer clear of these arguments lately, but this is clearly a personal vendetta (probably based in jealousy). We've got the point now, so do you have to raise it everytime another forum user posts, in a desperate attempt to rubbish them? Actually, you probably don't need to answer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 I only suggested for you to look within and that your format had become predictable...... I did not judge you on your position..... only the way you have been putting it over, nothing more than I would ever say to RitchieB ← Yes, it has become predictable, you're right. Best ignored in future, probably and treated as the nonsense it is. Apologies. Call me what you may(you have not called me anything yet, I know)......... I also know all of us on here are decent chaps with a love of bristol City ... at heart! I'll call you 'Dorset'. Might feel a bit weird though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bristolbred Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Carey at City was just a ######!!!, And now he's gone to Coventry, he's an overpaid ######!!, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fRed Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 So, I wonder how Louis will feeel if, the first time he gets on the Coventry team bus, the local players promptly march off and refuse to sit with him until they are assured he's earning less than them. He'll have to admit they have a fair point, presumably. ← Edson, You've gone down in my estimations since I read this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest red_pill Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Does this thread officially mark the start of the new season? After weeks of drivel, it's open hostilities between three or four of the forums most respected names... Welcome to 2004-05... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted July 15, 2004 Admin Share Posted July 15, 2004 Does this thread officially mark the start of the new season? After weeks of drivel, it's open hostilities between three or four of the forums most respected names... Welcome to 2004-05... ← No, there was one last week too where exactly the same people said exactly the same things only with a different cover story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Nob Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 No, there was one last week too where exactly the same people said exactly the same things only with a different cover story ← Similar to the Hutton and Butler reports then.... Hmmmmm. Sorry, wrong forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evocare Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Yep, Funniest thread ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Sorry, but trawling back through, I'm struggling to find opinions about the original post from you. Edson gave his, but you and robbored seem to have merely replied by questioning his motives for posting (once again), rather than tackling the original post. Yes, I am friends with 'edson', which is why I have attempted to steer clear of these arguments lately, but this is clearly a personal vendetta (probably based in jealousy). We've got the point now, so do you have to raise it everytime another forum user posts, in a desperate attempt to rubbish them? Actually, you probably don't need to answer that. ← The jealously/vendetta comment suprises me coming from you Madger.You well know that I know Edson personally and we have met on a number of occaisions and got along without a problem.I didn't take much part in the last "debate" so jealousy and vendetta is a bit OTT. My current arguement is about his take on Carey and the way he has ridiculed him for going public ect,ect.I questioned his motives for taking such a dim view of Careys' actions.After all, its an unusual position to take imho. Its a difference of opinion - nothing more and nothing less and next time I see Edson this current disagreement will be long forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brady bunch Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Edson, You've gone down in my estimations since I read this post. ← Edson have remained at a high level in my opinion!! Yet again, he founda bit of humour, makes a good point and is all based on TRUE facts.. add to this it is not the least bit harmful to anyone and that is why this is a great forum.. Come on Robbered and Dorset have a bit of humour and fun, as collective CITY fans we blinking need it to survive!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 My current arguement is about his take on Carey and the way he has ridiculed him for going public ect,ect.I questioned his motives for taking such a dim view of Careys' actions.After all, its an unusual position to take imho. ← Robbored - All I suggested was, that Louis would be in no position to complain if his new teammates take the same stance against him, as a newcomer from outside the area, as he has taken against his ex-teammates at Bristol City. He has, in my opinion, set a dangerous precedent by voicing objections about the wages of incoming players and can hardly be offended if the arguments he used are turned against him, now the shoe is on the other foot. I can't see how that is an unusual position to take, when all I'm suggesting is that he may be now treated as he has treated others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 When's your next Fans' Committee meeting with the Chief Exec. and other members of staff, by the way? ← Edson, You've gone down in my estimations since I read this post. ← I'm afraid mine too Edson after reading the above... What is this post all about? All seems a little childish and "my dad is bigger than yours" if you ask me... both posts are valid and hold good weight behind their arguement, but why did it have to go personal? humour is one thing, arguing personally on a forum is another thing! As long as you both forget about itr next time you all see each other, thats the main thing... Now kiss and make up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady bunch Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Its a difference of opinion - nothing more and nothing less and next time I see Edson this current disagreement will be long forgotten. ← Fair play Robbered - we have enjoyed the debate - back to work for me I fear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 I'm afraid mine too Edson after reading the above... What is this post all about? All seems a little childish and "my dad is bigger than yours" if you ask me... ← Possibly. I was merely trying to highlight how ludicrous it is to suggest that people post on here with some sort of hidden agenda, purely because they have an association with people at the club, as that's an allegation that could be made towards any number of posters and is, of course, a complete nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Possibly. I was merely trying to highlight how ludicrous it is to suggest that people post on here with some sort of hidden agenda, purely because they have an association with people at the club, as that's an allegation that could be made towards any number of posters and is, of course, a complete nonsense. ← Fair point.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pentlandsl Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 First day of the holidays and the kids are squabbling already! Pack it in guys, if you have a personal problem then use your own E-Mail to bicker amongst yourselves, this is the Bristol City forum after all, not the Edson etc. forum. Regarding the Carey situation, since slave labour was abolished, when a person's contract comes to an end they are free to find the best position at the best rate of pay for themselves. How may of us would stay loyal to our employer if another employer came to us and said he would pay us an extra £200 week for doing the same job? Carey has performed well for City for 9 years and we should be thanking him for that and wishing him well in his new job, instead of doing what 99% of us would do in the same situation. The board and management team should be applauded for working out what they should be paying Div 2 players and then sticking to it. A loose and over-generous wages policy can only lead in one direction and we've been there before in 1982. It won't happen again with this board in charge. Can we please now start getting behind the team before the season starts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 First day of the holidays and the kids are squabbling already! Pack it in guys, if you have a personal problem then use your own E-Mail to bicker amongst yourselves, this is the Bristol City forum after all, not the Edson etc. forum. ← Fair enough, I take your point. However, I will defend myself against ludicrous accusations, but if they were to stop this pathetic vendetta, I could stop having to respond. I made a post about Carey's stance and it was immediately turned on me and degenerated into bickering. I responded in kind and I apologise if it's not particularly interesting for other people, but if the allegation is made in public, I don't see why I should make my defence privately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TSB Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 I fear that Lois may be overlooked at Coventry although they are a much lesser team than us! ← Hang on you lot, we're in Div 1 (sorry, "the Championship" ), we've won the FA Cup, you've won the LDV vans trophy, your worst defeat was to us (9-0 in 1934) we've just signed your best player.......need I go on? All the best for this season though! Maybe we'll be playing you guys next year in the Championship, unless Peter Reid performs his 'miracle' of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Louis isn't our best player, Tommy Doherty and Danny Coles are. We have a friendly relationship with Coventry in general (from the past), Alan Dicks was Jimmy Hill's assistant at Coventry and we all remember the relegation match that time when we just kept the ball... somebodies else tell the story please because I can't be bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 If we played Coventry tomorrow, we'd beat them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 No, there was one last week too where exactly the same people said exactly the same things only with a different cover story ← I'll think you'll find that was a pre-season friendly where the "players" were jostling for position. This is a full on forum "baitathon" so yes, season 2004/2005 starts here, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BournemouthRed Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 we've just signed your best player.......need I go on? All the best for this season though! Maybe we'll be playing you guys next year in the Championship, unless Peter Reid performs his 'miracle' of course. ← Best player. Hmmm. Players at City better than Carey: Tinnion, Doherty, Murray, Heffernan, Lita, Coles, Hill, Fortune, Phillips, Amankwaah, Woodman, Bell, Wilkshire, Roberts, Miller. I can't comment on Stephen Gillespie or Bradley Orr as I haven't seen them yet but the clubs they join from suggest they too are better than Carey. We've got a lot of players better than "Sir Chipalot" thanks very much. (Though there's no denying you are a better team than us at the moment but with Danny 'inept' Wilson out of the way we should be joining you for 05/06.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tinnion Cider Army Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 I disagree with the above post, only a few of those players out of those are better than Carey. Also, I think we are better than Coventry, I don't think they'd do as well in Division Two next season as we will (if they were down here), and I think we'd do better in Division One than them too. I can't see them doing much next season, they may even struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zookeeper Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Regarding the Carey situation, since slave labour was abolished, when a person's contract comes to an end they are free to find the best position at the best rate of pay for themselves. How may of us would stay loyal to our employer if another employer came to us and said he would pay us an extra £200 week for doing the same job? Carey has performed well for City for 9 years and we should be thanking him for that and wishing him well in his new job, instead of doing what 99% of us would do in the same situation. The board and management team should be applauded for working out what they should be paying Div 2 players and then sticking to it. A loose and over-generous wages policy can only lead in one direction and we've been there before in 1982. It won't happen again with this board in charge. Can we please now start getting behind the team before the season starts? ← Wow a sensible post on this discussion! There are two sides of this argument and both are valid. Peoples views seem to be swayed by what side of the fence they sit on. On one hand Carey - Personally I think he realised he wasn't going to be able to sign the contract offered to him. He is a city fan so this must of hurt him. He didn't want to leave but as one of the most exerienced players and most consistent he needed to be paid what he thought was fair. I think what he was trying to say was that if he accepted this contract he would begrudge his teammates and lose his love for city. Fair enough to him for being true to his beliefs. On the other hand are the club. They don't want to lose one of their best players but they can't offer him mega bucks. Everyones contracts will be renegotiated when they expire and if we fail to get promoted they will not pay out the same as what they were. The club also went public, saying that they would not be able to pay the same as before. This was one of the first things they said after our promotion failure. Fair play to them for not driving us out of extinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 So, I wonder how Louis will feeel if, the first time he gets on the Coventry team bus, the local players promptly march off and refuse to sit with him until they are assured he's earning less than them. He'll have to admit they have a fair point, presumably. ← looking it like that carey has contridicted himself big time there, and has gone off to do what he was moaning about people doing with city, he has been ill advised as his testimonial season would have been next year and he would have picked up 150k i would have taken that and a new 2 year deal then when that contract was up he would be 29 the same age murray was when he moved on to reading as a winger and we all know how that ended up time will tell if carey will make it as he had a safe job here at city but i feel he has cut his nose off to spite his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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