elhombrecito Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 I'm my opinion, Leroy Lita has to be the most overrated player at the club. The majority of City fans seem to think that he is some kind of God. Don't get me wrong, he's been very good on occasions, but only on occasions, and then only when coming on when the other team's defence is getting tired. As with a lot of his performances last season, he was woeful both yesterday and Saturday - yet there were still posts on here praising his performances as well as the now seeingly mandatory singing of Leeerooooy at the games. At the moment he is behind Heffernan, Gillespie, Miller and Roberts in terms of ability. I agree that he is a natural finisher but at the same time he has an appalling first touch and he's very lightweight - not great qualities for a centre forward. Leroy Lita is a good player, but not the great one that everyone seems to think he is. He may yet become a great player but at the moment he is very far from that. The sad thing is that I appear to be in the minority with these views.
Rich-TWSC- Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 I just think Tinnion should send him out on loan to a League 2 club (Cheltenham? Yeovil?) as he probably needs some 90 minute football to make him a better player. Plus a Steve Guinan/Leroy Lita partnership would be pretty good in League 2! He is 5th choice forward right now. So I think that is what Tinnion should do.
Guest Tinman's Cider Army Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 I'm my opinion, Leroy Lita has to be the most overrated player at the club. The majority of City fans seem to think that he is some kind of God. Don't get me wrong, he's been very good on occasions, but only on occasions, and then only when coming on when the other team's defence is getting tired. As with a lot of his performances last season, he was woeful both yesterday and Saturday - yet there were still posts on here praising his performances as well as the now seeingly mandatory singing of Leeerooooy at the games. At the moment he is behind Heffernan, Gillespie, Miller and Roberts in terms of ability. I agree that he is a natural finisher but at the same time he has an appalling first touch and he's very lightweight - not great qualities for a centre forward. Leroy Lita is a good player, but not the great one that everyone seems to think he is. He may yet become a great player but at the moment he is very far from that. The sad thing is that I appear to be in the minority with these views. ← Agreed, I feel that so far in pre-season he has been the least impressive striker.
Guest Digger Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 I couldn't agree more. I thought he looked quite poor at times last night. Gillespie seems a far better option right now.
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 Yellow Sub forum beat ya to it with those thoughts! Seriously though I think people are begining to realise he's not the dogs testicles we made him out to be
Guest City 'Til I Die Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 True, True. A season out on loan with virtually guaranteed first team football, would be the best thing for Leroy at the moment. At the moment he's certainly far off down the peckng order.
TomBCFCUK Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 even if it is just 4 months or so out on loan at a club such as yeovil would be good for the youngster.
zookeeper Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 I'm my opinion, Leroy Lita has to be the most overrated player at the club. The majority of City fans seem to think that he is some kind of God. Don't get me wrong, he's been very good on occasions, but only on occasions, and then only when coming on when the other team's defence is getting tired. As with a lot of his performances last season, he was woeful both yesterday and Saturday - yet there were still posts on here praising his performances as well as the now seeingly mandatory singing of Leeerooooy at the games. At the moment he is behind Heffernan, Gillespie, Miller and Roberts in terms of ability. I agree that he is a natural finisher but at the same time he has an appalling first touch and he's very lightweight - not great qualities for a centre forward. Leroy Lita is a good player, but not the great one that everyone seems to think he is. He may yet become a great player but at the moment he is very far from that. The sad thing is that I appear to be in the minority with these views. ← I won't disagree with the sentiment of what you are saying but would like to point out that he is the youngest of the strikers we have. It should be expected as he is the youngest that he has the most to learn. Of the young strikers we have seen come through the youth system none have made an impact after their initial hype. I hope he won't be another spencer, odejo or Ben Wright!
Guest Tinman's Cider Army Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 He should go on loan to someone like Cheltenham or Forest Green but Tinnion thinks he is Brilliant especially in the Gatepost
tompo Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 I'm my opinion, Leroy Lita has to be the most overrated player at the club. The majority of City fans seem to think that he is some kind of God. Don't get me wrong, he's been very good on occasions, but only on occasions, and then only when coming on when the other team's defence is getting tired. As with a lot of his performances last season, he was woeful both yesterday and Saturday - yet there were still posts on here praising his performances as well as the now seeingly mandatory singing of Leeerooooy at the games. At the moment he is behind Heffernan, Gillespie, Miller and Roberts in terms of ability. I agree that he is a natural finisher but at the same time he has an appalling first touch and he's very lightweight - not great qualities for a centre forward. Leroy Lita is a good player, but not the great one that everyone seems to think he is. He may yet become a great player but at the moment he is very far from that. The sad thing is that I appear to be in the minority with these views. ← I think one Danny Wilson may have agreed with you as well.
Guest Big Si Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 I think this is a bit unfair, I was particularly watching him and gillespie last night, and of the two, I think Lita showed for the ball more, and made more of a contribution. Whilst I acknowledge Gillespie got a whack, I was expecting more of an impact from him - he had one meaningful touch, although that was a quality finish, and you can tell he knows where the goal is. Lita has been playing in the football league on and off (mainly off) for 2 seasons now, and he has proved he can finish, which obviously Gillespie hasnt done yet (hope he does it this year). Strikers who are instinctive goal scorers are worth their weight in gold and we have got one who is still young and raw, but has bundles of potential. If tinman has a high opinion of Leroy, I think thats right, please dont start targeting Leroy as a replacement for Peacock as the centre for forum abuse. Si
Rich-TWSC- Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 A loan spell is needed for the guy. No striker wants to be regarded as the one who's good from the bench. I agree with the post regarding Wilson's opinion on him, not including Lita in the Play-Off final in any form was a massive blunder
Guest Southville Red Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 If tinman has a high opinion of Leroy, I think thats right, please dont start targeting Leroy as a replacement for Peacock as the centre for forum abuse. Si ← I can't see anyone 'targetting him for abuse'. An opinion that he is not that good is a long way from abuse. Happen to agree, he is not the D.B.'s
bobby Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 Lita I am sure will be quality, but with the strikers we have he would be my 5th choice too at the moment. So with potentially another season of few games he may be better off taking a loan deal for a few months to get some much needed first team action. Gillespie to date in pre season has certainly shown more form than Lita, ok not against quality opposition yet, but he would still get in the team before Lita.
newboy Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 Lita I am sure will be quality, but with the strikers we have he would be my 5th choice too at the moment. So with potentially another season of few games he may be better off taking a loan deal for a few months to get some much needed first team action. Gillespie to date in pre season has certainly shown more form than Lita, ok not against quality opposition yet, but he would still get in the team before Lita. ← Bobby! Either I haven't been observant enough of you haven't been around for a while! Welcome back! Being the most pro-DW person I knew, how do you honestly think we'll fare with Brian T? Not a leading question - genuinely curious as to what you think.. Ta Newboy.
bobby Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 Bobby! Either I haven't been observant enough of you haven't been around for a while! Welcome back! Being the most pro-DW person I knew, how do you honestly think we'll fare with Brian T? Not a leading question - genuinely curious as to what you think.. Ta Newboy. ← Thanks, been around a bit but not posting much, but as the new season gets closer I am kind of back (at least for now). If it helps I do actually know many people who are/were more pro Danny Wilson than me, they just don't use this forum How do I think Tins will do - well who knows? But all I will say is the expectation on him and the players is the same as it would have been with DW, that is promotion and nothing else is good enough. I think it may well take time for things to settle down a bit - change of manager and coaching staff, change of tactics and formation, long established players leaving, new players coming in, academy players getting a chance - not all negative issues but changes none the less. More attacking football will certainly be good to watch, but could lay us open to conceding more as in previous season. Playing 3 at the back instead of 4 might also affect our defensive record. But we do have a couple of good strikers in Heffernan and Gillespie - I am looking forward to them and Miller scoring loads of goals this season. I am looking forward to the start of the season as ever and will be there giving my 100% support to players and manager. As always I will also remain confident that we will get promotion this year
Guest Tom-BCFC Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 I think Leroy should be used from the bench where he will probably have to compete with Gillespie - both seem to be natural finishers but lack experience at match level - a loan spell would do him good but we would need a recall clause in case we get injuries. Also Leroy is very good in the air for a small man unlike, say , Roberts - I think this aspect of Leroy's game is underrated
CiderEagle Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 How many competitive games has Leroy started for us ? One ? Two ? How on earth can anyone say he is no good on this basis ?
downendcity Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 Quite a lot of posts refer to Lita as being a Centre Forward but he's not that type of forward - well, not at the moment he isn't. He is very much an impact player - he can be direct and go at defenders ( as pointed out, particularly when they are tired at the end of a game) but he seems to lack the physical presence and overall control to lead the line for 90 minutes. At the moment we have other forwards who are better in that department. Leroy is still young, and gaining experience. He also seems to be a confidence player. With the number of forwards we have, now might be the right time for him to go on loan to get the sort of experience he might be denied if he stays and gets frustrated and has his confidence dented. I think time will tell whether he will make it at this, or higher level.
Guest Cider Red Sam Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 Tinman won't send him out on loan, in an article on the official site he says if he plays 4-3-3 (which its looking like he will), he'll want 3 strikers on the bench, so looks like Leroy's staying. Also, who's to say he'd be garanteed first team football at yeovil? I personally think Leroy could benefit from a loan spell, but it does depend on if anybody wants him.
zookeeper Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 Tinman won't send him out on loan, in an article on the official site he says if he plays 4-3-3 (which its looking like he will), he'll want 3 strikers on the bench, so looks like Leroy's staying. Also, who's to say he'd be garanteed first team football at yeovil? I personally think Leroy could benefit from a loan spell, but it does depend on if anybody wants him. ← I read that and didn't know if he was joking or not. I'm finding it hard to know wether what Tinman is saying is in jest or not. Maybe we could ask the reporters to put smileys on the bits when Tinman is talking with a huge grin on his face. Or maybe follow up with commenets such as "Tinnion jokes" To be honest it is starting to annoy me
bucksred Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 IMHO, the weakest striker we have, and I dunno if his future is with this club to be honest...the few times I've seen him, he aint impressed, except his pace, but I just dont think he's going to cut it now.
Swindon Hater Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 I'm not going to judge him on two friendly matches, he's 18 if I'm correct. Why is it people say Miller is young etc. so give him the chance and time, but Leroy's not good enough suddenly after two poor friendly match performances (from what I've heard), he scored in one of them aswell. He's still better than Roberts in my view.
elhombrecito Posted July 22, 2004 Author Posted July 22, 2004 I'm not going to judge him on two friendly matches, he's 18 if I'm correct. Why is it people say Miller is young etc. so give him the chance and time, but Leroy's not good enough suddenly after two poor friendly match performances (from what I've heard), he scored in one of them aswell. He's still better than Roberts in my view. ← I, for one, am not judging him on these two friendly games alone. I'm judging him on every performance I've seen from him. Also, if you read my post you'll find that I've said that he may yet become a very good player - at the moment he's far from that. Better than Roberts? Most definately not.
Swindon Hater Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 I take it you missed the Hartlepool second leg playoff match? Brentford away on Boxing Day? QPR away in the 1-1 draw? Tut tut!
elhombrecito Posted July 22, 2004 Author Posted July 22, 2004 I take it you missed the Hartlepool second leg playoff match? Brentford away on Boxing Day? QPR away in the 1-1 draw? Tut tut! ← Was at them all actually. And yes he played well, but his bad games have far outweighed his good games.
Swindon Hater Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 Name his bad games off the top of your head because I can't think of a game when I've thought, Leroy was rubbish, he usually has turned the game around when he's came on as a sub.
elhombrecito Posted July 22, 2004 Author Posted July 22, 2004 Name his bad games off the top of your head because I can't think of a game when I've thought, Leroy was rubbish, he usually has turned the game around when he's came on as a sub. ← I have absolutely no problems with the lad coming on as a substitute. His pace will cause any defence problems at that stage in a game. No I can't name any games off the top of my head as I'm appalling at remembering individual games.
red as fcuk Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 I can only remember him starting one game last season can't remember who it was against but aaron broke his leg- anyway lita scored we won 1-0
Swindon Hater Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 "I have absolutely no problems with the lad coming on as a substitute." Well he only started 2 games last season so I don't have a clue why you don't rate him then, oh and by the way one of them games he scored in.
Guest Wurzel_Bill Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 Leroy was not given a fair chance under Wilson. He needs match practice. I hope Tins gives him more of a chance. You can see from the way he plays that he has got potential to be a goal moocher!
bucksred Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 I'm not going to judge him on two friendly matches, he's 18 if I'm correct. Why is it people say Miller is young etc. so give him the chance and time, but Leroy's not good enough suddenly after two poor friendly match performances (from what I've heard), he scored in one of them aswell. He's still better than Roberts in my view. ← Better than Roberts, No chance...
Guest DANBOY_BCFC Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 I'm my opinion, Leroy Lita has to be the most overrated player at the club. The majority of City fans seem to think that he is some kind of God. Don't get me wrong, he's been very good on occasions, but only on occasions, and then only when coming on when the other team's defence is getting tired. As with a lot of his performances last season, he was woeful both yesterday and Saturday - yet there were still posts on here praising his performances as well as the now seeingly mandatory singing of Leeerooooy at the games. At the moment he is behind Heffernan, Gillespie, Miller and Roberts in terms of ability. I agree that he is a natural finisher but at the same time he has an appalling first touch and he's very lightweight - not great qualities for a centre forward. Leroy Lita is a good player, but not the great one that everyone seems to think he is. He may yet become a great player but at the moment he is very far from that. The sad thing is that I appear to be in the minority with these views. ← Totally agree mate, he is over-rated in my opinion. He is a good player to have coming on for the last 15-20 mins against a tiring defence, but I dont think he's good enough to be given a 1st team place week in week out. I would probably put him last in the pecking order, not cos he's cr@p, just that the others are better all round players.I know he needs experience to iron out his flaws and get better but at the moment he isnt good enough to take a starting place away from one of the other lads. I was very impressed with Paul Heffernan against Kidderminster, he's a very clever player and his quickness on the turn and on the ball in general is very good, the Kiddy back line couldnt handle him and kept fouling him to stop him. He's going to win us a lot of free kicks and dare I say a penalty?
Admin Ian M Posted July 23, 2004 Admin Posted July 23, 2004 I take it you missed the Hartlepool second leg playoff match? Brentford away on Boxing Day? QPR away in the 1-1 draw? Tut tut! ← Are you seriously using the Hartlepool 2nd Leg as an example of Lita being a better option than Roberts up front?
Admin Ian M Posted July 23, 2004 Admin Posted July 23, 2004 Name his bad games off the top of your head because I can't think of a game when I've thought, Leroy was rubbish, he usually has turned the game around when he's came on as a sub. ← Selective memory there I believe. Last season Leroy started 3 games and came on as a sub in a further 26 games scoring 5 goals in the process (1 from his start against Rushden?) Even with a stupid amount of assists, I reckon the phrase "usually turned the game around" is pushing artistic license to its limits..... My own viewpoint is that he is undoubtedly a player of huge potential and is possibly the most natural finisher at the club. However, he is also the youngest and "least developed" striker at the club and as such would be behind Heff, Miller, Gillespie & Robbo in all my selections at this stage of his development
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