The Original OTIB Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 In our current situation (lacking Korey, Pack out of form, Walsh ok, Brownhill up and down, etc), is there a case for Webster in Midfield? I think there is. Easily one of the most comfortable on the ball, brings it forward with his head up, confident and assured. A bit like Hegeler in those qualities, though the German will be off home soon for whatever reason. Plenty of options at the back so not weakening things there. Just a thought ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said: In our current situation (lacking Korey, Pack out of form, Walsh ok, Brownhill up and down, etc), is there a case for Webster in Midfield? I think there is. Easily one of the most comfortable on the ball, brings it forward with his head up, confident and assured. A bit like Hegeler in those qualities, though the German will be off home soon for whatever reason. Plenty of options at the back so not weakening things there. Just a thought ... Interesting thought OTIB Can certainly pass and run with a ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Taking our best centre back away from centre back surely weakens us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted November 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Interesting thought OTIB Can certainly pass and run with a ball + the Physical Presence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted November 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Taking our best centre back away from centre back surely weakens us? we have Baker, Kalas & Kelly, that's more than enough options. We need to do something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Hegeler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Is this really what it's coming down to?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 His progress has been quite something considering he wasn't necessarily known/seen as a ball playing CB at Ipswich (I work with an Ipswich fan), and given Kalas came with the bigger reputation including ball-playing- Kalas at Fulham averaged a passing accuracy of 87.1% and 86.9% respectively- is he being deployed differently here or did Fulham make him look better than he was? Unsure about midfield yet though,. According to Squakwa FWIW. Per game, Webster completes 40.53 per game, Kalas 33.35. Webster is also more inclined to make the forward pass than Kalas. However if LJ persists in playing the wrong shape it doesn't really matter who we play in the role in a sense of improvement- it might make things worse, but it won't improve things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said: In our current situation (lacking Korey, Pack out of form, Walsh ok, Brownhill up and down, etc), is there a case for Webster in Midfield? I think there is. Easily one of the most comfortable on the ball, brings it forward with his head up, confident and assured. A bit like Hegeler in those qualities, though the German will be off home soon for whatever reason. Plenty of options at the back so not weakening things there. Just a thought ... How do you want to see the team play? Taking one of the most comfortable on the ball out of the back four could be retrogressive. There are not lots of options at the back if your approach is one that builds through thirds. If you view City's football as a bit like a step ladder the back four (its first rung) are generally assured on the ball, possession is secure, Lee Johnson has created improvement here including the distribution via the Keeper. Altering that improvement is weakening it if you view that back four as footballers to receive, retain, release possession for the midfield .. That first rung is operating quite well and needs no significant change. The second and third rungs are not operating fluently … Progress and improvement there is not major change its a consistency of approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: His progress has been quite something considering he wasn't necessarily known/seen as a ball playing CB at Ipswich (I work with an Ipswich fan), and given Kalas came with the bigger reputation including ball-playing- Kalas at Fulham averaged a passing accuracy of 87.1% and 86.9% respectively- is he being deployed differently here or did Fulham make him look better than he was? Unsure about midfield yet though,. According to Squakwa FWIW. Per game, Webster completes 40.53 per game, Kalas 33.35. Webster is also more inclined to make the forward pass than Kalas. However if LJ persists in playing the wrong shape it doesn't really matter who we play in the role in a sense of improvement- it might make things worse, but it won't improve things. I wouldn’t get carried away with Kalas’s passing stats at Fulham Mr P IIRC they swamped the highest passing percentages last season with many of their players in top ten He might be ok but I think the stats were enhanced by Fulham’s methods and style of play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I wouldn’t get carried away with Kalas’s passing stats at Fulham Mr P IIRC they swamped the highest passing percentages last season with many of their players in top ten He might be ok but I think the stats were enhanced by Fulham’s methods and style of play Yeah, I was wondering about that Bob- good to see you back by the way. Enhanced by their playing style I reckon, Webster's progress though is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Never mind Webster in midfield isn't Hegeler a midfielder ? He should be in for Misfiring Marlon , give Packy a break from the spotlight . If Hegeler isn't considered then he may as well go back to Germany. Ashtonishingly bad signing for the club and player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted November 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 NB to all: "occasional" in the thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Never mind Webster in midfield isn't Hegeler a midfielder ? He should be in for Misfiring Marlon , give Packy a break from the spotlight . If Hegeler isn't considered then he may as well go back to Germany. Ashtonishingly bad signing for the club and player. Ultimately, Hegeler between the back 4 and the midfield would be his best position. Have wondered about something like: Goalie Back 4 Hegeler Brownhill Walsh Pack Eliasson/O'Dowda/Da Silva- one of those 3. Weimann /Taylor It all feels a bit of an awkward fit though that hypothetical shape, not the best balanced- Brownhill is a central midfielder and dropping Pack or Walsh not necessarily the way to go (though Pack's form has been in not too good lately). Or maybe Pack Brownhill Walsh Wingers Weimann/Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, steveybadger said: Hegeler? Who is this "Hegeler" that you speak of? In reference to the OP - Square pegs, round holes. Arguably one of, if not our best defender so far. Remember Louis Carey being played in midfield? No? Well there's a reason for that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 47 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Yeah, I was wondering about that Bob- good to see you back by the way. Enhanced by their playing style I reckon, Webster's progress though is impressive. He had a mare Saturday but overall very impressed with him in his play and his attitude One of the only ones to at least try and make something happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 26 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: He had a mare Saturday but overall very impressed with him in his play and his attitude One of the only ones to at least try and make something happen I actually thought that Hunt tried but was occupied too much with Robinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Perhaps he can play up front? That’s one part of the side that concerns me! We’re limp in that area!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, swanker said: Perhaps he can play up front? That’s one part of the side that concerns me! We’re limp in that area!!! He did it with Flint so you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 While we're in thinking outside the box mode, has anyone noticed that Fammy has contributed more to the defence than he has to our attack in recent games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 --------------------------------------------------------------GK-------------------------------------------------------- Hunt------------------------------Kalas------------------------------Baker-----------------------------Kelly --------------------------------------------------------Webster------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------Brownhill-----------------------------Pack----------------------------------- ---------------------Odowda---------------------------------------------------------Taylor--------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------Wiemann-------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: While we're in thinking outside the box mode, has anyone noticed that Fammy has contributed more to the defence than he has to our attack in recent games? I think that's half the thinking in playing him...for set pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 I think we need to play our players in their best and proven positions given our poor form. Webster had been outstanding - until we pushed him to the left of a 3 on Saturday. Get him back in his best position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 I would think that something has to be done about the backline as for every "we have great defenders" post they are all part of one of the worst defences in the league! Perhaps they are not as good as we all think they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 41 minutes ago, frenchred said: I would think that something has to be done about the backline as for every "we have great defenders" post they are all part of one of the worst defences in the league! Perhaps they are not as good as we all think they are Not by goals against. Believe we are 5th best in the championship on that measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 hours ago, The Original OTIB said: In our current situation (lacking Korey, Pack out of form, Walsh ok, Brownhill up and down, etc), is there a case for Webster in Midfield? I think there is. Easily one of the most comfortable on the ball, brings it forward with his head up, confident and assured. A bit like Hegeler in those qualities, though the German will be off home soon for whatever reason. Plenty of options at the back so not weakening things there. Just a thought ... Interesting thought but not for me. He's far too assured at the back & to even consider it shows a worryingly lack of depth in central midfield. Even if Korey was fit our options would still be limited. More bizarre recruitment from LJ & MA to blame for this I am afraid. I remember LJ absolutely raving about Hegeler and his previous champs League exploits....now he cant even get on the bench when centre mid seems like it could do with freshening up. I think some have been overly critical of Pack & Brownhill. Both are exceptional athletes but to be expected to play 3 games a week most weeks without a rest is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulcityfan Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 If Lee Johnson is thinking of songs to choose who to pick who for the team he might as well log on to OTIB for the next game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 9 hours ago, The Original OTIB said: In our current situation (lacking Korey, Pack out of form, Walsh ok, Brownhill up and down, etc), is there a case for Webster in Midfield? I think there is. Easily one of the most comfortable on the ball, brings it forward with his head up, confident and assured. A bit like Hegeler in those qualities, though the German will be off home soon for whatever reason. Plenty of options at the back so not weakening things there. Just a thought ... How do you know Hegeler will be off soon? Genuinely interested.....he’s probably the player who looks most comfortable on the ball at our club.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Not for me . Mans a rock and potentially could prove to be a better player than the one he was bought to replace ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 10 hours ago, steveybadger said: Hegeler? Would be suggesting the same....but he’s injured....again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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