barneyrubble Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Yes agree this season is not great but we're above Brentford who everyone seems to think are doing it all right. Realistically after the start leeds have had could we have expected more than we got yesterday. Without the sending off we may have even got something. We are a work in progress we have also lost a lot of goals from last season. Also remember the players who left wanted to. Ironically apart from flint they are not even playing regularly. The championship is very competitive and cash talks in terms of what players you get. Like it or not we are not prepared to spend ridiculous money and have decided to look for value when buying. The option is to change managers half way through the season . Who is realistically available? They will then want their own players which creates more dead wood. Personally think we should just get behind the manager and the team and look to support them through this difficult time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiled Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 It's trajectory I'm afraid. We're heading down and a winless run like last season and the season before will see us in the bottom three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Corner Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Xiled said: It's trajectory I'm afraid. We're heading down and a winless run like last season and the season before will see us in the bottom three. Or a winning run will move us up towards the play-offs! We just don’t know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Wood Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Keep selling your best players and it will eventually catch up with you, every club is a selling club and every player has his price, our problem is we don't seem to sign any players who improve the side, players seem to stagnate or get worse and that is down to the manager I'm afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 50 minutes ago, Hellfire Corner said: Or a winning run will move us up towards the play-offs! We just don’t know. I’d wager will be closer to the bottom than the top, if lj stays, Johnson out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southstandoriginal Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Xiled said: It's trajectory I'm afraid. We're heading down and a winless run like last season and the season before will see us in the bottom three. Exactly this. History has shown that once the annual winless run starts, LJ is clueless as to how to stop it. We survived it easily last year because of the points cushion built up in the first half of the season. This year we do not have that luxury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, glen humphries said: I’d wager will be closer to the bottom than the top, if lj stays, Johnson out. I could be wrong, but isn’t this the first time (after yesterday) in a year and a half, that we have been nearer the relegation zone than the play offs (obviously barring meaningless league tables after 1/2 games) That period has been under LJ, so what makes you think that we aren’t capable of it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: I could be wrong, but isn’t this the first time (after yesterday) in a year and a half, that we have been nearer the relegation zone than the play offs (obviously barring meaningless league tables after 1/2 games) That period has been under LJ, so what makes you think that we aren’t capable of it..? Because I watch games Bristol city play and we’re crap with a crap bullshiting head coach ( puppet) we have a poor squad with no goal threat, we also leak goals , put it all together and there’s only 1 way we’re going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Barney red said: Yes agree this season is not great but we're above Brentford who everyone seems to think are doing it all right. Realistically after the start leeds have had could we have expected more than we got yesterday. Without the sending off we may have even got something. We are a work in progress we have also lost a lot of goals from last season. Also remember the players who left wanted to. Ironically apart from flint they are not even playing regularly. The championship is very competitive and cash talks in terms of what players you get. Like it or not we are not prepared to spend ridiculous money and have decided to look for value when buying. The option is to change managers half way through the season . Who is realistically available? They will then want their own players which creates more dead wood. Personally think we should just get behind the manager and the team and look to support them through this difficult time. A work in progress. The only problem with that old chestnut is we are making no progress. In fact we are a work in decline. I find it hard to understand the argument of keeping a Manager who week in week out is showing he is not fit for purpose for the reason of who would replace him. If someone cannot do their job and is detrimental to the team and club then the first thing you do is to stop them causing further damage then sort out a replacement. Like others I think we have a group of players that a Manager who was up to the job could get a lot more out of. So I cannot see that creating more deadwood than Johnson has created already by his hit and miss transfer policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, glen humphries said: Because I watch games Bristol city play and we’re crap with a crap bullshiting head coach ( puppet) we have a poor squad with no goal threat, we also leak goals , put it all together and there’s only 1 way we’re going. But that doesn’t alter the fact that we’ve already spend over a third of this season nearer the top than the bottom. I get you’re not happy, but I’m just stating facts that contradict your assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Hellfire Corner said: Or a winning run will move us up towards the play-offs! We just don’t know. be honest with yourself what looks most likely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said: But that doesn’t alter the fact that we’ve already spend over a third of this season nearer the top than the bottom. I get you’re not happy, but I’m just stating facts that contradict your assessment. Would you like a little wager, winnings go to a charity of the winners choice, that we’re finish nearer the relegation spots than the play offs ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Just now, glen humphries said: Would you like a little wager, winnings go to a charity of the winners choice, that we’re finish nearer the relegation spots than the play offs ??? I agree that it would take someone with money to burn to take on that bet at the moment..! Its not beyond the realms of possibility though, as the past 18 months have shown us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said: I agree that it would take someone with money to burn to take on that bet at the moment..! Its not beyond the realms of possibility though, as the past 18 months have shown us. Fair enough mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said: A work in progress. The only problem with that old chestnut is we are making no progress. In fact we are a work in decline. I find it hard to understand the argument of keeping a Manager who week in week out is showing he is not fit for purpose for the reason of who would replace him. If someone cannot do their job and is detrimental to the team and club then the first thing you do is to stop them causing further damage then sort out a replacement. Like others I think we have a group of players that a Manager who was up to the job could get a lot more out of. So I cannot see that creating more deadwood than Johnson has created already by his hit and miss transfer policy. Amazing you and I can see this, can think of no logical reason why LJ is still at the club, it's a mystery to me that someone with such a mediocre record is at a club where the owner has stated he wants to be in the premier league, we have made no progress at all and are in fact regressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, pillred said: Amazing you and I can see this, can think of no logical reason why LJ is still at the club, it's a mystery to me that someone with such a mediocre record is at a club where the owner has stated he wants to be in the premier league, we have made no progress at all and are in fact regressing. Astonishing isn’t it , sacking lj would be admitting he’s got it wrong Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 minute ago, glen humphries said: Astonishing isn’t it , sacking lj would be admitting he’s got it wrong Again. shame he is not as ruthless as he obviously was while he was turning HL into one of the most successful financial service companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 minute ago, pillred said: shame he is not as ruthless as he obviously was while he was turning HL into one of the most successful financial service companies. Makes it even more frustrating, you don’t build what he has by being a soft touch, but when it comes to lj there seems to be a mental block on what’s actually happening in front of his eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, glen humphries said: Makes it even more frustrating, you don’t build what he has by being a soft touch, but when it comes to lj there seems to be a mental block on what’s actually happening in front of his eyes. liked (yes I've run out again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Barney red said: Yes agree this season is not great but we're above Brentford who everyone seems to think are doing it all right. Realistically after the start leeds have had could we have expected more than we got yesterday. Without the sending off we may have even got something. We are a work in progress we have also lost a lot of goals from last season. Also remember the players who left wanted to. Ironically apart from flint they are not even playing regularly. The championship is very competitive and cash talks in terms of what players you get. Like it or not we are not prepared to spend ridiculous money and have decided to look for value when buying. The option is to change managers half way through the season . Who is realistically available? They will then want their own players which creates more dead wood. Personally think we should just get behind the manager and the team and look to support them through this difficult time. Two words on Brentford. Dean Smith. Now pushing Villa up the league too. We have a clown in charge. His actions are foolish, his interviews are desperate and delusional. I think we have a decent enough squad. What i dont think we have is an ’identity’ as LJ calls it. Hes bonkers if he thinks we have that. Every week we see hoofball or pretty sideways backwards garbage. Last year we had pressure on the ball, quick tempo passing. That was identity. This year we are so pedestrian. Needless to say player power is starting to look like its taking over as im sure theyre losing faith ( if not have already ), in the coach. Cheerio Lee. Someone with an ounce of experience could get this lot playing. It seems LJ now cant. But seems to be happy with whats being served up. Hes on borrowed time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, pillred said: liked (yes I've run out again) Pay your fiver! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 I don't give a toss where Brentford are. All I can see is inept performances, unable to score or keep a clean sheet. I see a side that is sliding into the morass at the bottom of the table. How can anyone, with an ounce of common sense, disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 36 minutes ago, glen humphries said: Makes it even more frustrating, you don’t build what he has by being a soft touch, but when it comes to lj there seems to be a mental block on what’s actually happening in front of his eyes. I do get what/why Steve is doing it this way. Most times , a new manager comes in he has a fire she of players he doesn't rate. Buys new ones. Fails and is sacked..... A new manager comes in he has a fire she of players he doesn't rate. Buys new ones. Fails and is sacked..... A new manager comes in he has a fire she of players he doesn't rate. Buys new ones. Fails and is sacked..... ad infinitum ... Lansdown , imo , is trying to give LJ time to build the club from the youth teams up. Gave him time to buy players and a squad that fit into his idea, and with the ground and training facilities , along with everything else around the ground some of that has worked. Sadly the main part, the first team are some way off. Worryingly in the midst of another losing run, and worst of all not good to watch. There must be a tipping point for Mr L , I really hope we don't find out where or what that is because it could mean a whole new loosing record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 38 minutes ago, pillred said: liked (yes I've run out again) 16 minutes ago, RumRed said: Pay your fiver! I was just waiting for the OTIB pop up advert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 On the surface things appear to be OK. We're in a mid-table position (for now), attendances are good (for now) and our summer recruitment seemed decent enough, with Championship experience in the likes of Webster, Weimann and Kalas being signed alongside promising talent like Dasilva to fill the voids left by Flint, Bryan and Reid. What concerns me - and it's a very big concern - is that after nearly 3 years of LJ in charge we seem to have no consistent shape or recognisable pattern of play as a Plan A. And this is with players LJ has been involved in recruiting. On the whole our performances have become indifferent as a norm, with some truly shocking displays this season (Wigan and Preston in particular spring to mind). We're easy to beat, directionless and soft, and at the moment it doesn't feel like our coaching team can pull us out of this rut. Regardless of LJ's position, the games v Ipswich and Millwall are important - good results against these teams would at least galvanise us before some tougher fixtures, but draws/defeats could draw us into the beginnings of a relegation scrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 2 hours ago, RumRed said: Pay your fiver! how do I do that, I'm not very tech savvy my wife set me up on here ha! ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Barney red said: Yes agree this season is not great but we're above Brentford who everyone seems to think are doing it all right. Realistically after the start leeds have had could we have expected more than we got yesterday. Without the sending off we may have even got something. We are a work in progress we have also lost a lot of goals from last season. Also remember the players who left wanted to. Ironically apart from flint they are not even playing regularly. The championship is very competitive and cash talks in terms of what players you get. Like it or not we are not prepared to spend ridiculous money and have decided to look for value when buying. The option is to change managers half way through the season . Who is realistically available? They will then want their own players which creates more dead wood. Personally think we should just get behind the manager and the team and look to support them through this difficult time. Wish we had their money and ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Barney red said: Yes agree this season is not great but we're above Brentford who everyone seems to think are doing it all right. Realistically after the start leeds have had could we have expected more than we got yesterday. Without the sending off we may have even got something. We are a work in progress we have also lost a lot of goals from last season. Also remember the players who left wanted to. Ironically apart from flint they are not even playing regularly. The championship is very competitive and cash talks in terms of what players you get. Like it or not we are not prepared to spend ridiculous money and have decided to look for value when buying. The option is to change managers half way through the season . Who is realistically available? They will then want their own players which creates more dead wood. Personally think we should just get behind the manager and the team and look to support them through this difficult time. Yeh but Brentford’s manager moved on....would have been a different story otherwise....Dean is a very gifted football manager... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, pillred said: how do I do that, I'm not very tech savvy my wife set me up on here ha! ha! Ask your wife to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, 42nite said: Ask your wife to do it. good idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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