Major Isewater Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Quoted from the preBlades presser. » "I know that Sheffield United were really putting out some serious cash for that striker position in the January window and rightly so « Take that SL . I am happy that LJ is putting a bit of pressure on the owner . Anybody who thinks LJ is a ‘ yes man ‘ will be astounded when he leaves Ashton Gate for a coaching job with more prospects, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I also noticed the emphasis placed on the fact that Dasilva is not our player almost as if the deal may have fallen through and he will be going back the Chelsea and this was signalling this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 28, 2019 Admin Share Posted March 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Pezo said: I also noticed the emphasis placed on the fact that Dasilva is not our player almost as if the deal may have fallen through and he will be going back the Chelsea and this was signalling this. There was a report a few weeks back where it mentioned Da Silva returning to his parent club at the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, phantom said: There was a report a few weeks back where it mentioned Da Silva returning to his parent club at the end of the season It maybe nothing it might be something, but this did feel like signalling to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 54 minutes ago, Pezo said: I also noticed the emphasis placed on the fact that Dasilva is not our player almost as if the deal may have fallen through and he will be going back the Chelsea and this was signalling this. The fee is agreed for DaSilva, a low one at that, so it is down to the player whether he wants to join permanently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: The fee is agreed for DaSilva, a low one at that, so it is down to the player whether he wants to join permanently Yes I assumed that with the signalling that I interpreted Dasilva has decided he doesn't want to stay permanently and has let LJ know. Like I say it could easily be nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: The fee is agreed for DaSilva, a low one at that, so it is down to the player whether he wants to join permanently Low in your opinion or low in what would be most's opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, Pezo said: Yes I assumed that with the signalling that I interpreted Dasilva has decided he doesn't want to stay permanently and has let LJ know. Like I say it could easily be nothing. It wouldn't surprise me, why would he want to stay anyway when he's in and out of the team. I guess a bit may depend on whether Kelly goes but I think it's very unlikely DaSilva will be announced as signing soon after the season ends. He may well get better offers. 5 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Low in your opinion or low in what would be most's opinion? £2m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: Quoted from the preBlades presser. » "I know that Sheffield United were really putting out some serious cash for that striker position in the January window and rightly so « Take that SL . I am happy that LJ is putting a bit of pressure on the owner . Anybody who thinks LJ is a ‘ yes man ‘ will be astounded when he leaves Ashton Gate for a coaching job with more prospects, I doubt that SL will be quaking in his boots over that comment. And it is all a bit late now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, phantom said: There was a report a few weeks back where it mentioned Da Silva returning to his parent club at the end of the season And also mentioned that City have the option to sign Dasilva if he wants to remain at AG... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Quoted from the preBlades presser. » "I know that Sheffield United were really putting out some serious cash for that striker position in the January window and rightly so « Take that SL . I am happy that LJ is putting a bit of pressure on the owner . Anybody who thinks LJ is a ‘ yes man ‘ will be astounded when he leaves Ashton Gate for a coaching job with more prospects, Ummmm............. LJ, as we all do understand that SL will not pay big wages. Any proven Championship striker will be in demand and want a serious wedge. LJ is quite aware that his job involves him building a squad capable of pushing for promotion and so far he’s done a pretty good job with one hand tied behind his back..... He might go to SL and try to convince him that the squad needs another striker and SL might agree but I doubt either will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 41 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: It wouldn't surprise me, why would he want to stay anyway when he's in and out of the team. I guess a bit may depend on whether Kelly goes but I think it's very unlikely DaSilva will be announced as signing soon after the season ends. He may well get better offers. £2m Yes, better offers, especially if clubs only need to stump up £2m to match us. Be interesting if we switched to a back 3/5 over the close-season, with Lloyd LCB and Jay LWB....we could also be less worried about losing wingers like O’Dowda too. Posted a while back that recruitment for a 352/532 might not be as difficult as 4141/4411, especially in the striker / no10 position as you can accommodate someone alongside Diedhiou who would get good minutes, and with a 3 in midfield, rotate better to avoid burn-out. Might need to convert Eliasson, but Adelakun has played in various positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 32 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yes, better offers, especially if clubs only need to stump up £2m to match us. Be interesting if we switched to a back 3/5 over the close-season, with Lloyd LCB and Jay LWB....we could also be less worried about losing wingers like O’Dowda too. Posted a while back that recruitment for a 352/532 might not be as difficult as 4141/4411, especially in the striker / no10 position as you can accommodate someone alongside Diedhiou who would get good minutes, and with a 3 in midfield, rotate better to avoid burn-out. Might need to convert Eliasson, but Adelakun has played in various positions. I imagine as this was an agreement between the 2 clubs when negotiating the loan, they could actually demand more from other clubs. It would still be a good deal for others at double the fee, and there would be a few interested that could pay him a lot more than us. I am hopeful though, and he would be perfect in that change of formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I imagine as this was an agreement between the 2 clubs when negotiating the loan, they could actually demand more from other clubs. It would still be a good deal for others at double the fee, and there would be a few interested that could pay him a lot more than us. I am hopeful though, and he would be perfect in that change of formation. Whether he signs for us is up to him. But it's pretty clear that he has no future at Chelsea if they have already agreed a fee for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said: Whether he signs for us is up to him. Absolutely 4 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said: But it's pretty clear that he has no future at Chelsea if they have already agreed a fee for him. They could well have a fire sale . if the figure being bandied about are near the mark, they will have to cut their loans by half. 20+ extra bodies only playing U21's and now not bringing in any loan revenue. Could be some decent players at reasonable fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 If be very surprised if a £2m fee has been agreed. Basically if he came here and did poorly then we would want him. If he did well then he’d be worth more than £2m. Remembering that that we don’t have to sign him. It doesn’t make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Quoted from the preBlades presser. » "I know that Sheffield United were really putting out some serious cash for that striker position in the January window and rightly so « Take that SL . I am happy that LJ is putting a bit of pressure on the owner . Anybody who thinks LJ is a ‘ yes man ‘ will be astounded when he leaves Ashton Gate for a coaching job with more prospects, One of the reasons I personally decided not to renew... Not enough ambition is show to warrant buying every year... Blades have shown the opposite and will more than likely end in the Prem... Nothing ever changes at this club!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, KeepUpLino said: One of the reasons I personally decided not to renew... Not enough ambition is show to warrant buying every year... Blades have shown the opposite and will more than likely end in the Prem... Nothing ever changes at this club!! Yeah you're right, we have seen no investment on or off the field for years have we..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, KeepUpLino said: One of the reasons I personally decided not to renew... Not enough ambition is show to warrant buying every year... Blades have shown the opposite and will more than likely end in the Prem... Nothing ever changes at this club!! Where do you stand on the hope, the justifiable hope for ambition, set against the need to stick to, to work within financial rules? Birmingham got 9 points and have been embargoed albeit not under a full one for a while. May want to read the rules, the limits, the apparent ratios of financial losses that exceed the limits to points, plus the judgement- finally our own annual accounts. Having said that, Assombolonga January loan at figures cited? Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Don't think LJ can ever have a little dig at SL because if he was working for anyone else other than SL he would have lost his job some time a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 16 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Yeah you're right, we have seen no investment on or off the field for years have we..... Obviously not enough though Port as we always fall away with clubs like blades on apparent lower wage budgets passing us by.. How do you explain this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Where do you stand on the hope, the justifiable hope for ambition, set against the need to stick to, to work within financial rules? Birmingham got 9 points and have been embargoed albeit not under a full one for a while. May want to read the rules, the limits, the apparent ratios of financial losses that exceed the limits to points, plus the judgement- finally our own annual accounts. Having said that, Assombolonga January loan at figures cited? Yes please! What does justifiable hope add up too? Not strengthening when in amazing situations 2 years on the bounce, lets make that 3 times with the failed play off promotion challenge which really SHOULD have resulted in promotion had we added some quality, Stoke added a little and we fell away again!! That's 3 failed attempts at promotion to the premier league each time using your preferred method of JUSTIFIABLE HOPE!!.... THIS CLUB WILL NEVER LEARN!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, KeepUpLino said: What does justifiable hope add up too? Not strengthening when in amazing situations 2 years on the bounce, lets make that 3 times with the failed play off promotion challenge which really SHOULD have resulted in promotion had we added some quality, Stoke added a little and we fell away again!! That's 3 failed attempts at promotion to the premier league each time using your preferred method of JUSTIFIABLE HOPE!!.... OK I believe we were pretty close to our financial rule based limit last season. What we spent we should have spent better- absolutely. However holding onto Flint, Bryan and Reid both summer 2017 and Jan window 2018? A statement in itself. Factor in additions for decent money of Baker, Diedhiou and though he was cheaper, Walsh. Then add in Pisano on a free and Steele from September was it. Then loans for Woodrow (full season), Leko (half-season, as it turned out) and effectively half season loans for Kent and Diony! I am sure there was another loanee or singing I missed too but anyway that is a decent statement of intent, given where we're at as a club, in this FFP era. Now I think there was a better case for strengthening this January. Hogan or perhaps less likely Assombalonga loan would have been the icing on the cake and especially Assombolonga I was fervently in favour of his loan signing. Perhaps had we got him we'd be fairly comfortably in the playoffs right now. Now the biggest error by far? Jan 2008. FFP was not even debated at any level- Lansdown could have thrown £50m at it that window had he wanted. This could have not only got us over the line but also enabled building or starting to build the core of a team that would have been PL ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, KeepUpLino said: Obviously not enough though Port as we always fall away with clubs like blades on apparent lower wage budgets passing us by.. How do you explain this? Posted a while ago that we are in a bracket of clubs with Sheffield Utd, Preston, and Brentford, who are all punching above their weight, especially when none have received parachute payments of the magnitude that other clubs have (Sheff Utd have been in Prem). Huddersfield were probably in there too prior to their promotion. All clubs have been promoted from League One fairly recently, and have established themselves in the Champ. Our problem? One or more of them always finishes above us. We are never the top dog in this small group. i expect Blades wage bill to be considerably higher this season, and very similar to ours if not higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Posted a while ago that we are in a bracket of clubs with Sheffield Utd, Preston, and Brentford, who are all punching above their weight, especially when none have received parachute payments of the magnitude that other clubs have (Sheff Utd have been in Prem). Huddersfield were probably in there too prior to their promotion. All clubs have been promoted from League One fairly recently, and have established themselves in the Champ. Our problem? One or more of them always finishes above us. We are never the top dog in this small group. We aren't doing as much as these established league 1 clubs... WHY? Why do we never push on? As I said above we've had 3 pretty big opportunities and haven't taken them, surely something needs to change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 43 minutes ago, KeepUpLino said: Obviously not enough though Port as we always fall away with clubs like blades on apparent lower wage budgets passing us by.. How do you explain this? I can't but I also can explain why bigger clubs have passed us by going in the other direction. I don't know what goes into making a club well run, but I can see very easily the results when they are badly run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 42 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Posted a while ago that we are in a bracket of clubs with Sheffield Utd, Preston, and Brentford, who are all punching above their weight, especially when none have received parachute payments of the magnitude that other clubs have (Sheff Utd have been in Prem). Huddersfield were probably in there too prior to their promotion. All clubs have been promoted from League One fairly recently, and have established themselves in the Champ. Our problem? One or more of them always finishes above us. We are never the top dog in this small group. i expect Blades wage bill to be considerably higher this season, and very similar to ours if not higher. We hope to and they all want it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandwhitescarf Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 hours ago, 1960maaan said: Absolutely They could well have a fire sale . if the figure being bandied about are near the mark, they will have to cut their loans by half. 20+ extra bodies only playing U21's and now not bringing in any loan revenue. Could be some decent players at reasonable fees. Perhaps their transfer embargo will also affect transactions like this, if pen hasn't actually been put to paper by the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Quoted from the preBlades presser. » "I know that Sheffield United were really putting out some serious cash for that striker position in the January window and rightly so « Take that SL . I am happy that LJ is putting a bit of pressure on the owner . Anybody who thinks LJ is a ‘ yes man ‘ will be astounded when he leaves Ashton Gate for a coaching job with more prospects, I was chatting to an ex city player this week discussing the up and coming games and reflecting over certain area's over the course of the season. It's always intresting to get their perspective especially when they still watch but both agreed we've stumbled at critical times in the January windows / not addressed in the summer and that comes from the top down which is why our ambition will always get questioned. One thing we did both pick up on was a comment made by LJ stating that it's all about mentality now and playing without fear as there's no more he can teach them technically which we both found bizzare for many reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 It's late now but tomorrow or on the weekend, I'm going to go into why many seemingly comparable cases...just aren't. Not even not just with us but even between a lot of the clubs who will doubtless be cited themselves! A lot of these cases of clubs with similar infrastructure but had it for longer, or bigger or both- not applicable. Similar clubs who have overtaken us. Then most interestingly, the smaller ones. Definitely there is something in the lack of big push at certain times- but that's all it is, an element of truth, of clear similarity. The reality has been more complex, has had a lot more variables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 LJ has no right to criticise. We have an expensive squad but he does not utilise it enough. Too many players looking jaded of late and LJ does not trust others to play in their place. Why were they bought then? Why are they still here? Presuming LJ has a large say on who we buy he needs a good look at himself and to get rid of the 4 or 5 he is never going to give more than a few minutes too and bring in 2 or 3 others that he would be mad not too play and utilise the entire squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Neo said: LJ has no right to criticise. We have an expensive squad but he does not utilise it enough. Too many players looking jaded of late and LJ does not trust others to play in their place. Why were they bought then? Why are they still here? Presuming LJ has a large say on who we buy he needs a good look at himself and to get rid of the 4 or 5 he is never going to give more than a few minutes too and bring in 2 or 3 others that he would be mad not too play and utilise the entire squad. Unfortunately it always comes down to the entire set up not being good enough, there’s not a clear enough plan IMO that other clubs like Blades have had this season... The last time we had a clear plan was under Coterill in our double year... I’m not sure who’s at fault, is LJ not getting the support he’s asked for and if not why is he still here.... I’m not sure we’d find many managers willing to work under such tight constraints!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Neo said: LJ has no right to criticise. We have an expensive squad but he does not utilise it enough. Too many players looking jaded of late and LJ does not trust others to play in their place. Why were they bought then? Why are they still here? Presuming LJ has a large say on who we buy he needs a good look at himself and to get rid of the 4 or 5 he is never going to give more than a few minutes too and bring in 2 or 3 others that he would be mad not too play and utilise the entire squad. He's definitely underutilised certain players who could IMO have been better deployed had he tweaked the shape at times- a bit of a waste. He's doing a decent job sure, but there is something just lacking in key moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Been my belief for years that a team can play with one, possibly two, physically lightweight and/or mentally fragile players in the Championship. These type of players always need to play at the top of their form to impact a game. We often play with three/four/five such characters. LJ keeps buying these mini-me’s. We are stifled by stronger teams at regular intervals as we neither have the physical or mental power to sustain form for long periods. Hence our boom and bust seasons. His policy of building a large squad in order to replace burnt out players doesn’t work as he doesn’t trust his non-regulars. Think we need to revert back to the ‘quality not quantity’ approach. Either that or get the lightweights down to the gym that Joe and Reidy went to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Moor2Sea said: We often play with three/four/five such characters. LJ keeps buying these mini-me’s. His policy of building a large squad in order to replace burnt out players doesn’t work as he doesn’t trust his non-regulars. Think we need to revert back to the ‘quality not quantity’ approach. Either that or get the lightweights down to the gym that Joe and Reidy went to. You are being critical of LJ - the happy clappers will be on to you today like they were me yesterday when I suggested we'd get 9 points from the last 10 games. Totally agree with your mini Me's comment and the quality not quality approach to purchasing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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