AppyDAZE Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 The thread you confidently predicted half way into today's game, Joe Hi, son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lez said: Well I think he has been more consistent and is a far better player than Pack. I dont think the number of years is relevant, I would argue the impact they have is more important. Pack has a role to play at the club, but not the undroppable player he seems to be. Excellent league 1 player maybe. I don’t think number of years has anything to do with it, but you are the one who mentioned that JB had been more consistent over a number of years than MP, which is quite simply not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born and Red in 82 Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 29 minutes ago, Harry said: Pack made 1 major error today which led to a near goal - 1st half when he gave it away when we were on the attack. That aside, we didn’t see much of the ball so didn’t see much of Marlon. However, I’ll bet you find he attempted more forward passes than anyone else. I’d like to ask, for all those who give Pack a knock today, can you please tell me what contribution Brownhill gave to this game? The same contribution pack gave in the last ten games.... Nowt!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 The problem today was neither Pack nor Brownhill but the tactics. Both are gonna look like absolute shite playing in a 2 against one of the most intensive teams in the league. Especially Pack when he is not exactly blessed for pace. Judge them on their performances throughout the season when used better tactically and not just in this match. Hung out to dry really today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Gonna be a long season for Marlon on otib. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted August 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Harry said: Gonna be a long season for Marlon on otib. Why are you so protective? It is evident in your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 35 minutes ago, Redwhitepurple said: Brownhill has nothing to do with how sh*te pack is. Its why we still havent gone up. Pack and dave What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Need him in a '3' IMO. I mean at this level, vs increasingly tactically sophisticated sides the 4-2-3-1 with Pack and Brownhill puts that bit too much strain on them IMO. Aware Palmer or last year Paterson plays as the central player in the '3' but it still leaves us vulnerable centrally, numerically- duels wise I feel. Leaves us too open defensively, as a team, too- at the very least doesn't protect the defence so well! In short, Pack may have his shortcomings but our general setup does him- actually a fair few players- no favours at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lez said: Why are you so protective? It is evident in your posts. Why are you so negative to a very solid and consistent servant for 6 years? I’m protective because he’s regularly the scapegoat and 95% of the time it’s unjustified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted August 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Just now, Harry said: Why are you so negative to a very solid and consistent servant for 6 years? I’m protective because he’s regularly the scapegoat and 95% of the time it’s unjustified. I dont think he is good enough for a side chasing promotion to the premier league. I dont call that negative I call it realism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 38 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I think Pack is a very intelligent footballer - at the start of last season, when Weimann was our striker, Pack was threading through superb passes to him as Weimann could read his thoughts (eg Weimann’s goal at Bolton) - when Fammy came back in that all stopped, Fammy just doesn’t have the awareness and movement that Weimann possesses. So with Fammy up front, Pack is looking ineffective because our striker just doesn’t read his intentions ... Fammy wasn’t at fault for the countless times Pack gave the ball away today, the pass to hunt in the first half which nearly led to a Leeds goal was in particular embarrassing. He’s been a great servant to the club over the past 6 years and given his all in some difficult times but I’m afraid we’ve moved on as a club. He's too slow for the high tempo nature of the championship and if we want to progress we need to upgrade big time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 38 minutes ago, Harry said: Pack made 1 major error today which led to a near goal - 1st half when he gave it away when we were on the attack. That aside, we didn’t see much of the ball so didn’t see much of Marlon. However, I’ll bet you find he attempted more forward passes than anyone else. I’d like to ask, for all those who give Pack a knock today, can you please tell me what contribution Brownhill gave to this game? I think one of the reasons why Pack gets stick is because he’s usually the one that stands out who tries to make things happen, start from the back etc. If he then gets it wrong, it sticks in people’s minds if that makes sense. Brownhill doesn’t get criticism because people often forget he’s on the pitch. I rate JB but he can go hiding sometimes. Pack will usually make himself available 95% of the time and that can often be his downfall as he tries to do too much. I rate both players but I think we need fresh ideas and competition for places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lez said: I dont think he is good enough for a side chasing promotion to the premier league. I dont call that negative I call it realism. Get a grip.. there is no way we are chasing promotion this season we need to just stay up. This is the sort of season where it could seriously go tits up if we arent careful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, JBFC II said: Fammy wasn’t at fault for the countless times Pack gave the ball away today ... That’s a matter of opinion .... perhaps if Fammy was able to read Pack’s intentions then Marlon wouldn’t have to check back and get into trouble so many times ... Pack didn’t give the ball away as much when Weimann was up front and Fammy was banned ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenaldo Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Unfortunately continued the form from the back-end of last season. Rumoured new lad might be the answer - might not! Marlon has been great last 6 seasons but as many said on OTIB the club has progresses and maybe even beyond MP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 minute ago, BS4 on Tour... said: That’s a matter of opinion .... perhaps if Fammy was able to read Pack’s intentions then Marlon wouldn’t have to check back and get into trouble... Pack didn’t give the ball away as much when Weimann was up front and Fammy was banned ... No he didn’t because Weimann is a totally different type of striker. Fammy isn’t going to run the channels like weimann does and so it’s up to Pack to work out the best way of getting the ball forward successfully. Sometimes that involves going backwards which is fine but our main playmaker shouldn’t be getting overrun and making as many appalling passes as he did today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, joenaldo said: Unfortunately continued the form from the back-end of last season. Rumoured new lad might be the answer - might not! Marlon has been great last 6 seasons but as many said on OTIB the club has progresses and maybe even beyond MP One thing we would miss is Marlon's physicality.. For all his flaws he is a unit... we would miss that if he's out of the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted August 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, JBFC II said: No he didn’t because Weimann is a totally different type of striker. Fammy isn’t going to run the channels like weimann does and so it’s up to Pack to work out the best way of getting the ball forward successfully. Sometimes that involves going backwards which is fine but our main playmaker shouldn’t be getting overrun and making as many appalling passes as he did today My mrs was with me today and she has no understanding of football.....that Pack pass straight to the oppo even got her attention and criticism.....some achievement actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenaldo Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: One thing we would miss is Marlon's physicality.. For all his flaws he is a unit... we would miss that if he's out of the team Must admit I agree - wins headers to get possession back often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 minute ago, joenaldo said: Must admit I agree - wins headers to get possession back often I think all the Pack bashing is well harsh. it's not the players so much as the set up that's wrong for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Lez said: My mrs was with me today and she has no understanding of football.....that Pack pass straight to the oppo even got her attention and criticism.....some achievement actually. Yeah, like no pass has ever gone astray in football seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Those who think Pack is a good player will only realise how ordinary he is once we get a quality midfielder in to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Pack was crap today.. but where is the Josh Brownhill, is he all that thread? Do you have the balls, come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted August 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: Yeah, like no pass has ever gone astray in football seriously That is certainly an interesting way of putting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenaldo Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: I think all the Pack bashing is well harsh. it's not the players so much as the set up that's wrong for me I think pack has reached his peak, he is definitely trying but brownhill will continue to improve Anyone bashing after today is daft so early on..... we lose next 4 with no sign of improvements tho then bash away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, JBFC II said: No he didn’t because Weimann is a totally different type of striker. Fammy isn’t going to run the channels like weimann does and so it’s up to Pack to work out the best way of getting the ball forward successfully. Sometimes that involves going backwards which is fine but our main playmaker shouldn’t be getting overrun and making as many appalling passes as he did today It's all very well saying it’s up to Pack to “work out the best way of getting the ball forward successfully” - but how does he do that when our main striker doesn’t make intelligent runs, doesn’t run across defenders, doesn’t look to run down the channels, doesn’t look to run off the shoulder of the last defender and can’t win an aerial duel when he is challenged by a defender?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 minute ago, BS4 on Tour... said: It's all very well saying it’s up to Pack to “work out the best way of getting the ball forward successfully” - but how does he do that when our main striker doesn’t make intelligent runs, doesn’t run across defenders, doesn’t look to run down the channels, doesn’t look to run off the shoulder of the last defender and can’t win an aerial duel when he is challenged by a defender?! You obviously watched a different game then as fam won most of his aerial duels. As I said his game isn’t to run off the shoulder of the defender, anybody can see that. He needs a partner alongside him who can make those sort of runs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, JBFC II said: You obviously watched a different game then as fam won most of his aerial duels. As I said his game isn’t to run off the shoulder of the defender, anybody can see that. He needs a partner alongside him who can make those sort of runs He won most of his aerial duels? It’s cool that it’s a game of opinions .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Just now, BS4 on Tour... said: He won most of his aerial duels? It’s cool that it’s a game of opinions .... When he wasn’t being fouled by their centre backs then yes he did, in fact he made a couple of good flick ons making the most of weimanns movement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Pack was, as of most of last season shocking, how he is an outomatic pickis beyond me, and even when he is having such a poor game he still will not be substituted,I posted a month ago that we cannot afford to carry Pack for the season as we did last year but nothing seems to change, to see the way that Leeds passed and moved the ball with such accuracy and pace was way beyond what Pack can do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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