Unan Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Purely hypothetical but what do you think it will take to expand the ground? Premiership football for 3 years? A season of nearly constant sell outs? Also, I’m sure when the stadium redevelopment was announced it was stated that our ground could be expanded again to 38,000(?) but I can’t find any evidence of this from a quick google search, did I make that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 If we get to the prem you have to wonder if it would be worth doing it. The amount of telly money would make gate receipts less of a concern, and do you spend 40mil or more on making it bigger if what you can charge for a seat doesn't yield much of a return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 52 minutes ago, Unan said: Purely hypothetical but what do you think it will take to expand the ground? Premiership football for 3 years? A season of nearly constant sell outs? Also, I’m sure when the stadium redevelopment was announced it was stated that our ground could be expanded again to 38,000(?) but I can’t find any evidence of this from a quick google search, did I make that up? Pretty certain the south stand has been built so that a top tier can be added.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 55 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: If we get to the prem you have to wonder if it would be worth doing it. The amount of telly money would make gate receipts less of a concern, and do you spend 40mil or more on making it bigger if what you can charge for a seat doesn't yield much of a return. Add in hospitality and that makes it much more financially viable. The hospitality suits us now but we would be losing out on money in the Prem by not having the extra facilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 9, 2019 Admin Share Posted August 9, 2019 Not sure we will see any changes If we get to the Prem we could play to an empty ground and still make money There are many sides who have been in and around the Prem with smaller grounds than us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 If we get there I wonder whether we'd bank 'X' amount and set it aside for the rebuild of the Dolman which would include more hospitality areas etc in its rebuild, a rebuilt Dolman could push us to the 30,000 mark which would probably be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, hodge said: If we get there I wonder whether we'd bank 'X' amount and set it aside for the rebuild of the Dolman which would include more hospitality areas etc in its rebuild, a rebuilt Dolman could push us to the 30,000 mark which would probably be enough. I think that's more likely. Redeveloping the away end doesn't make much sense for hospitality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Two tier Atyeo with the upper tier built over the top like Liverpool’s new basking shark stand. I believe that is the plan. Further phase to replace Dolman with a mirror image of the west stand is further off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwickshire Red Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 At the time of the plans SL said he considered building to 35k including Atyeo but they decided against it. Presumably on the basis of lets fill 27k first. No idea what they can do without buying all the houses behind though. I’d have thought it’d be quite limited so as not to be financially worthwhile for the degree of expanded capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Misleading thread title of the day goes to..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said: Misleading thread title of the day goes to..... Err I literally put “not happening” before the title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, Unan said: Err I literally put “not happening” before the title I read that as; expanding the stadium ain't happening (must have had Yoda saying it in my head). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 If we get to the Prem and go for expansion we could well be back down again before it was completed. We really could end up with a half empty stadium in that case with no atmosphere. Think we need a few years consolidation with full gates first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, marmite said: If we get to the Prem and go for expansion we could well be back down again before it was completed. We really could end up with a half empty stadium in that case with no atmosphere. Think we need a few years consolidation with full gates first. simple, just concentrate the fans in the lower tier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider hoss rules Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 I know aesthetically the Atyeo stand does kind of stick out a bit like a sore thumb. But in terms of view, capacity for away fans (like it or not) and potential for atmosphere generation there are far far worse stands in the Championship and even the Premier league. Perhaps filling in the corners and a bit of cladding to match the other stands would make that end look a whole lot more integrated than necessarily rebuilding it just to make more capacity the probably isn't needed anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 36 minutes ago, cider hoss rules said: I know aesthetically the Atyeo stand does kind of stick out a bit like a sore thumb. But in terms of view, capacity for away fans (like it or not) and potential for atmosphere generation there are far far worse stands in the Championship and even the Premier league. Perhaps filling in the corners and a bit of cladding to match the other stands would make that end look a whole lot more integrated than necessarily rebuilding it just to make more capacity the probably isn't needed anyway. I've said it before IF we get to the Premiership 27,000 will be completely inadequate, yes for some games it might be just enough, but we could sell 40,000 for at least 8 to 10 games all these people saying oh it's plenty big enough will be the first ones moaning when they can't get a season ticket for love or money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, bris red said: Pretty certain the south stand has been built so that a top tier can be added.. The view across the pitch to the gorge and bridge would be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkateee Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 hours ago, bris red said: Pretty certain the south stand has been built so that a top tier can be added.. You could only build on top of the south stand, if lansdown bought at least half a dozen houses at the back. Couldn't see it happening otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 It won't happen (imho) but given the land that SL has bought if you rotated the pitch you could get a capacity of 50k. Would likely mean starting from scratch and binning the plan for the indoor arene, car park and hotels...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Loco Rojo said: I read that as; expanding the stadium ain't happening (must have had Yoda saying it in my head). In your head, Yoda was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 When the Atyeo is rebuilt, it'll look like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Wasn’t the “expandable to 38000” a feature of the Ashton Vale design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Take out all the seats and the ground would easily hold 50,000 I know.........that's not allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyreds89 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 5 hours ago, bris red said: Pretty certain the south stand has been built so that a top tier can be added.. Has it? Great if it has but not sure how that would work Worn House’s/gardens behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awbb Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, mightyreds89 said: Has it? Great if it has but not sure how that would work Worn House’s/gardens behind. Stadium construction has allowed secondary (or more) tiers to be added without requiring a complete rebuild for a while, so would certainly expect that to be the way the South Stand would be increased. Though as mentioned up to 8 or even 10 semis on Rains Rd would need to be purchased. With the profiling of the Atyeo it might not work for that so would probably need a complete rebuild. With the need to buy 18 houses on Ashton Rd as well a South Stand expansion would almost certainly be undertaken first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Corner Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 I thought safe standing boosts capacity if we get that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 hours ago, The Batman said: When the Atyeo is rebuilt, it'll look like this. Would look awesome but we would probably have to buy Greville Smyth Park to make it feasible! If we did something like this to match the height of the Lansdown it would certainly be impressive and push us near 35k capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyreds89 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Robin Wood said: We can't fill what we have the best we can do is 20-21 thousand 1500 empty seats in the away end every week if sold out If we were top 2/3 all season I think we’d be sold out most weeks. Do you not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwickshire Red Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Leveller said: Wasn’t the “expandable to 38000” a feature of the Ashton Vale design? 44000 for both ends I think for the 2018 WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, mightyreds89 said: If we were top 2/3 all season I think we’d be sold out most weeks. Do you not? Last two seasons home support (minus away fans) has averaged around 19,500 and I don't see that changing much this season either. If we reach the Prem I'd still be surprised if it rose much more than 21,000 average. Away fans might bump it up though by filling the Atyeo most weeks. Does anyone know how many fans Prem clubs take away on average? Can't see many averaging more than 4,000 week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Last two seasons home support (minus away fans) has averaged around 19,500 and I don't see that changing much this season either. If we reach the Prem I'd still be surprised if it rose much more than 21,000 average. Away fans might bump it up though by filling the Atyeo most weeks. Does anyone know how many fans Prem clubs take away on average? Can't see many averaging more than 4,000 week in week out. We would average more than 21k in the Prem. I’d go as far as to say there would be a very good chance we would sell out season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, bris red said: We would average more than 21k in the Prem. I’d go as far as to say there would be a very good chance we would sell out season tickets. Like your confidence but based on what. In the days of standing when the ground held 38,000 we averaged in total (Inc away fans) 23,500. And before being accused of living in the past and times have changed, they really haven't that much. As much as Sky and the BBC would like us to believe it football did not start in 1992 with the Premier League. I can see a first honeymoon season when we might sell out most weeks in the Prem but I'm not convinced it would last. Selling out season tickets may well depend on price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Doesn’t the maximum away allocation reduce when in the premiership? If so any additional home fans would take up some part of the Atyeo. Plus if fans complain that they can’t get season tickets when in the premiership, why not get them now when we’re not there? I don’t get this feel sorry for the ones missing out, why are they not going to games now so the club can get more revenue. That way if we do go up they get early bird options so get their tickets for the season in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjmcity Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Impossible for the south stand to be extended without the purchase and demolition of 10 house at the dolman end Dolman also would require demolition of nelson Mandela house for a much larger rebuild, and in fact I can’t ever see the housing situation being solved behind the Atyeo to expand there either! a rethink and modern rebuild of the Atyeo probably the only option for a small expansion, up to 30k which despite comments here we don’t need any more than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Like your confidence but based on what. In the days of standing when the ground held 38,000 we averaged in total (Inc away fans) 23,500. And before being accused of living in the past and times have changed, they really haven't that much. As much as Sky and the BBC would like us to believe it football did not start in 1992 with the Premier League. I can see a first honeymoon season when we might sell out most weeks in the Prem but I'm not convinced it would last. Selling out season tickets may well depend on price. We averaged over 21,000 last season, do you really think we would only average a couple of thousand more in the Premier league? if we can take over 40,000 to London for the paint pot trophy playing the likes of Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea, means there will be many games when we could easily sell 40,000 and another half a dozen where we could expect over 30,000, I think you are being overly pessimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 10 hours ago, CotswoldRed said: I think that's more likely. Redeveloping the away end doesn't make much sense for hospitality. It does if the houses are knocked down as you would get an incredible view. 4 hours ago, awbb said: Stadium construction has allowed secondary (or more) tiers to be added without requiring a complete rebuild for a while, so would certainly expect that to be the way the South Stand would be increased. Though as mentioned up to 8 or even 10 semis on Rains Rd would need to be purchased. With the profiling of the Atyeo it might not work for that so would probably need a complete rebuild. With the need to buy 18 houses on Ashton Rd as well a South Stand expansion would almost certainly be undertaken first. I think purchasing a part of their gardens would be sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 54 minutes ago, pillred said: We averaged over 21,000 last season, do you really think we would only average a couple of thousand more in the Premier league? if we can take over 40,000 to London for the paint pot trophy playing the likes of Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea, means there will be many games when we could easily sell 40,000 and another half a dozen where we could expect over 30,000, I think you are being overly pessimistic. I was talking about home fans only. In terms of home fans we averaged 19500 last season, not 21000 which was the figure inclusive of away support and which is fickle dependent on tickets allocated, distance to travel, timing of match etc. The number of supporters we take to a Wembley final is irrelevant, as evidenced by the SAGS who have sometimes taken more than us due to allocations. We could undoubtedly sell more when playing the top 6, although many of these would to plastics not true City supporters, but matches against the likes of Burnley on a Tuesday night would not sell out and would bring the average down. With the cost of football being what it is I have doubts as to whether we could sell out the home areas of AG every week for more than an initial season. Whether it's palatable or not Bristol is not a football mad city and there are many who, given the choice, would work overtime on a Saturday rather than attend a football match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticks 1969 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 IF we ever got to the so called promised land we would be the only club in the whole of the south west. Now that is some catchment area and who knows how many would want to watch premier league football ? but like people have said after the honeymoon period what would it drop down to ? How many people have you heard say if we got promoted they would come and watch us play..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiled Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Ticket sales used to be everything - a significant proportion of club income. As has been said above, the income for being a Premier League team now dwarves the revenue from fans at the turnstiles. There's really no financial argument for expanding the stadium (with the complexity of the build and/or the need to purchase houses). The only reasons to expand Ashton Gate now would be for vanity and potentially a better atmosphere. For structural issues, the Dolman might need replacing before too long as I'm sure the club have identified it has a finite lifespan. We would definitely increase our average attendance in the Prem but I wouldn't like to be in Cardiff's position where they close off the upper tier of their blue/red stand everytime they get relegated. Their capacity is too big for them in the Championship. For the time being, I think 27,000 is about right although I would love to see the Atyeo rebuilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinkadink Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 To justify the rebuild of the Atyeo and the possible land purchase both City and Bears will need to be selling out multiple games a season. Both will likely need to be regularly competing at a higher level than they're currently at; City in prem and Bears in Champions Cup/premiership play-offs. Some better marketing would help too, further afield from the city itself. It's definitely possible and should be a realistic goal in time. I like how both clubs are progressing, steady building is the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 14 hours ago, pillred said: I've said it before IF we get to the Premiership 27,000 will be completely inadequate, yes for some games it might be just enough, but we could sell 40,000 for at least 8 to 10 games all these people saying oh it's plenty big enough will be the first ones moaning when they can't get a season ticket for love or money. Agreed, but considering any expansion would probably take 2-3 years to complete we’d need to be established in the Prem to even worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 11 hours ago, mightyreds89 said: If we were top 2/3 all season I think we’d be sold out most weeks. Do you not? Have a word with yourself!! Correct if we were top 2/3 in the Prem we would be sold out. That means rubbing shoulders with the likes of Liverpool, Man City, Spurs etc. Not likely to happen anytime soon. Got to get their first!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 6 hours ago, sticks 1969 said: IF we ever got to the so called promised land we would be the only club in the whole of the south west. Now that is some catchment area and who knows how many would want to watch premier league football ? but like people have said after the honeymoon period what would it drop down to ? How many people have you heard say if we got promoted they would come and watch us play..... What were Cardiff's gates like in a struggling premier league season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: What were Cardiff's gates like in a struggling premier league season? Its a good point. But I have a feeling you won't be able to get a ticket for love nor money if we make it. Whether we're winning or losing. We have hundreds of thousands of couch potato plastics with Sky TV in Bristol. They'd lap it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Based on the current ground configuration and capacity, how many season tickets would we be allowed to sell if we made it to the Prem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 12 hours ago, Crackers Corner said: I thought safe standing boosts capacity if we get that How does it increase capacity, when everyone is still allocated a seat, but it’s just locked upright..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Does anyone not find it strange that what we are talking about extending the ground if we got to the Prem to get more fans in, who would then not go again when the club once relegated? How many of the supporters who bought a half season ticket, to ensure they got to go the Manure game actually carried on going after? Cardiff showed that by opening top tier for Prem to then closing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 10 hours ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Like your confidence but based on what. In the days of standing when the ground held 38,000 we averaged in total (Inc away fans) 23,500. And before being accused of living in the past and times have changed, they really haven't that much. As much as Sky and the BBC would like us to believe it football did not start in 1992 with the Premier League. I can see a first honeymoon season when we might sell out most weeks in the Prem but I'm not convinced it would last. Selling out season tickets may well depend on price. Being honest, back in 2012, 2013 or before that if someone had said on here "with a modernised ground we will average 15k for finishing 18th in the Championship and then over 20k for more Championship football, shifting 15k season tickets" your thoughts would've been pretty much the same, wouldn't they? Who saw this coming, other than SL? I think we have surprised ourselves with our numbers showing up (although the docile, unenthusiastic, "ffs Pack/City!" quality of support continues unchanged) and who knows what further support is out there, while the nationwide enthusiasm for the game goes on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 19 hours ago, KeepUpLino said: simple, just concentrate the fans in the lower tier You been to MK Dons, there is more atmosphere on the moon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 9 hours ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: I was talking about home fans only. In terms of home fans we averaged 19500 last season, not 21000 which was the figure inclusive of away support and which is fickle dependent on tickets allocated, distance to travel, timing of match etc. The number of supporters we take to a Wembley final is irrelevant, as evidenced by the SAGS who have sometimes taken more than us due to allocations. We could undoubtedly sell more when playing the top 6, although many of these would to plastics not true City supporters, but matches against the likes of Burnley on a Tuesday night would not sell out and would bring the average down. With the cost of football being what it is I have doubts as to whether we could sell out the home areas of AG every week for more than an initial season. Whether it's palatable or not Bristol is not a football mad city and there are many who, given the choice, would work overtime on a Saturday rather than attend a football match. It wouldn't take long for that interest to grow if and I know it's a big if we were reasonably successful, if the likes of Brighton and Southampton can get regular crowds over 30,000 us with a huge catchment area should have no trouble averaging around that figure, most if not all Premiership clubs would sell out the Atyeo stand, our crowds last season were almost on a par with when we were in the top flight so interest is already growing, a higher standard of football would almost certainly see a fairly large increase on last seasons attendances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 4 hours ago, MarcusX said: Agreed, but considering any expansion would probably take 2-3 years to complete we’d need to be established in the Prem to even worry. Don't think it would take that long, the ground doesn't need that much doing to it. shame it's not a bit bigger already as it means more disruption in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unan Posted August 11, 2019 Author Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 10/08/2019 at 10:55, Redwhitepurple said: it true. The artificial attendance maybe what you say but physical people actually through the gates is 1000-2500 less. If no one turned out to a city hime game and stadium was empty they would still class it as 13500 people as its the amount of people who buy season cards automatically included regardless if they go to the game Well you can't double sell seats so it doesn't matter if people actually attend or not, it'd be the same maximum amount either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonboy Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 10/08/2019 at 00:04, Up The City! said: It does if the houses are knocked down as you would get an incredible view. I think purchasing a part of their gardens would be sufficient. The gardens (back yards) are about 15/20 feet in that part of Ashton Rd, used to live in 61. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 10/08/2019 at 14:33, Bristol Rob said: What were Cardiff's gates like in a struggling premier league season? 30k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 We are stretching the middle class. To fill the ground we need to attract more people with knowledge of football meaning a team capable of bossing a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 10/08/2019 at 10:29, pillred said: It wouldn't take long for that interest to grow if and I know it's a big if we were reasonably successful, if the likes of Brighton and Southampton can get regular crowds over 30,000 us with a huge catchment area should have no trouble averaging around that figure, most if not all Premiership clubs would sell out the Atyeo stand, our crowds last season were almost on a par with when we were in the top flight so interest is already growing, a higher standard of football would almost certainly see a fairly large increase on last seasons attendances. On a par with published attendance figures. But not with the actual attendance. Far too much fiddling of figures and the financial receipts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: On a par with published attendance figures. But not with the actual attendance. Far too much fiddling of figures and the financial receipts. Believe all season ticket holders counted as attending even if not in reality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montpelierblue Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 10/08/2019 at 07:33, Bristol Rob said: What were Cardiff's gates like in a struggling premier league season? We averaged over 31000 last season I believe, capacity is 34000. I think if we stayed around in that league we would average 35 quite comfortably and expand a stand to get to 40. There are still 1000’s of people in the city that don’t follow us, with a population approaching 400k and quite a lot of support from the surrounding areas we actually only get about 4 or 5% of the city itself ever going. Reckon we are both similar sized clubs and would attract similar gates whatever league we ended up in. We haven’t got another club in the city to put up with mind, I believe there is another club somewhere down the m4 but they are pretty irrelevant..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 10/08/2019 at 10:55, Redwhitepurple said: it true. The artificial attendance maybe what you say but physical people actually through the gates is 1000-2500 less. If no one turned out to a city hime game and stadium was empty they would still class it as 13500 people as its the amount of people who buy season cards automatically included regardless if they go to the game more than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montpelierblue Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 How many ST holders do you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohbasso Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 About 15k I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montpelierblue Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ohbasso said: About 15k I think. Decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohbasso Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Montpelierblue said: Decent Yeah seems to creep up a bit every season, how many do Cardiff have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montpelierblue Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ohbasso said: Yeah seems to creep up a bit every season, how many do Cardiff have? 18000, which I think is the most we’ve ever had.....in the championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohbasso Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Montpelierblue said: 18000, which I think is the most we’ve ever had.....in the championship Good numbers, I couldn’t see us getting that high in the championship without a season in the Prem first or selling them off cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montpelierblue Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 We’ve come a long way with a core support in the last 10 years/ new ground. I still miss the old shithole that was home but not the agro...first time I saw us play you lot was 1989, allegedly only 6000 in Ninian Park, and you must have brought 2500 at least. I’d never seen the away end that full. Just 3000 home fans back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Montpelierblue said: We’ve come a long way with a core support in the last 10 years/ new ground. I still miss the old shithole that was home but not the agro...first time I saw us play you lot was 1989, allegedly only 6000 in Ninian Park, and you must have brought 2500 at least. I’d never seen the away end that full. Just 3000 home fans back then. Was that the game we beat you 3-0 in the rain? If so I was there - my first ever away game. Got absolutely soaking wet on that open terrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltsred14 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 The only way that we would need to increase the capacity of the stadium would be if we were to get to the Premier League. Arsenal have found out the hard way that a stadium no longer draws the revenue that enables teams to compete. It is actually restrictive if clubs need to draw back to fund stadium development and additional resource allocation. The main source of income for Premier League clubs is TV revenue given the competition between Sky, BT and even Amazon. Should we reach the promised land, a modest extension (of 3,000) to placate the armchair fans would surely suffice? Bournemouth have proven that stadia doesn’t determine success over recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montpelierblue Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 59 minutes ago, Offside said: Was that the game we beat you 3-0 in the rain? If so I was there - my first ever away game. Got absolutely soaking wet on that open terrace. Yes, in those days we couldn’t ever seem to beat you. That open grange end was a shocker with no roof. Went to the return at yours, think we were 3 down by the time loads of us got into the ground....A young Andy Cole firing them in I think. The bad old days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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