daored Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Interested in thoughts on James Maddison, some negative press regarding him. In summary he leaves the England camp due to illness before they travelled for their game on Friday. He’s seen in a casino playing poker on Friday night when England were playing. No reports of him drinking or playing up. What’s your views? For me he’s entitled to do what he wants in his spare time, surely the England medical staff would have agreed for him not to travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 He can do what he wants if it's legal & isn't breaking any club rules, don't follow the media narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 True but common sense would say its best not being seen out in a casino if its all in the press that you've pulled out because of 'illness', especially when he's been teetering on breaking into the England squad. I don't get why you'd pull out, then go to a casino? Surely every English player has the dream of playing for their country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Cant see an issue, apparently he was Ill for 2 days before flight so not fit to travel, what he done on Friday night was up to him and I don't blame him for going to a casino instead of watching that piss poor England performance . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club and Country Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Been ill all week, probs gutted about missing out, started feeling a bit better, went casino on his own to play a few cards no dramas for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Not the most sensible move if he's trying to encourage Southgate to pick him, I'd suggest. I also reckon people wouldn't be quite as forgiving if it was a player who's been getting criticised often, e.g Dele Alli or Jesse Lingard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Really confused at to what he’s done wrong? Not fit enough to play a competitive international fixture, so sent home and killed some at the black jack table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 More nonsense from the British media. This wouldn’t even make the news in any other country but such is the way with the England football team that they will try to do anything they can for a story to sell papers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Not the best idea but can’t understand why GA isn’t giving him game time so can understand him being annoyed with current players getting in ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Not the most sensible move if he's trying to encourage Southgate to pick him, I'd suggest. I also reckon people wouldn't be quite as forgiving if it was a player who's been getting criticised often, e.g Dele Alli or Jesse Lingard. Apparently Southgate has huge doubts about his character, he so say left him out of the two previous games to see how he would respond. This guy seems to have all the ability to go far in the game but like many before him will ruin his career by his off the field activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Always comes over as a pretty smart young guy when I've seen him talk, and I like him. I think the media scrutiny level nowadays has gone overboard and we all need to realise that footballers are people first and footballers second regardless of how much they are paid, etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 He’s done nothing wrong playing a bit of poke. unless he didn’t raise the big blind with pocket rockets on the button that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Up The City! said: Apparently Southgate has huge doubts about his character, he so say left him out of the two previous games to see how he would respond. This guy seems to have all the ability to go far in the game but like many before him will ruin his career by his off the field activities. Southgate said he wasn't in because he didn't fit the system of 433. Now Leicester play that system Maddison made the squad but obviously out ill. I personally am not sure he will be that great at international level. He didn't impress me much in England under 21 tournament. You'd think he'd stand out at that level. Good player but just not sure he will be as good as people think for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicki's soulmate Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 If you're too ill to go to school, you're too ill to go out playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 9 hours ago, Up The City! said: This guy seems to have all the ability to go far in the game but like many before him will ruin his career by his off the field activities. By playing cards ..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Up The City! said: Apparently Southgate has huge doubts about his character, he so say left him out of the two previous games to see how he would respond. This guy seems to have all the ability to go far in the game but like many before him will ruin his career by his off the field activities. Would you care to share his off field activities that you think will ruin his career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Was he the worse for wear as well as up late? Can't say I agree with that tbh- fairly sure I read somewhere that Messi e.g. doesn't drink during the season, or maybe it was Ronaldo. If you want to reach your highest ceiling as a player you need an elite mindset IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Was he the worse for wear as well as up late? Can't say I agree with that tbh- fairly sure I read somewhere that Messi e.g. doesn't drink during the season, or maybe it was Ronaldo. If you want to reach your highest ceiling as a player you need an elite mindset IMO. He wasn’t drinking alcohol and I don’t believe he was up late either. Think it was just an evening game of cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, RedDave said: He wasn’t drinking alcohol and I don’t believe he was up late either. Think it was just an evening game of cards. We know for sure he had no alcohol? Depends how late he was and whether there was alcohol involved I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 The illness he might've been suffering from could've been Fortunatus Bonum which is commonly known as a bout of good luck. If I ever suffered from this ailment rather than waiting at home for it to subside I would be heading for the betting shop or casino. So a wise man in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: We know for sure he had no alcohol? Depends how late he was and whether there was alcohol involved I think. I read an article that said he wasn’t drinking. The Sun’s one sided vile article on him doesn’t mention drink so he couldn’t have been as they would have mentioned it. He was playing whilst the England game was on so it wasn’t late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Whilst he probably has done nothing wrong, it's not the brightest thing to do. Clearly not going to impress Southgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, RedDave said: I read an article that said he wasn’t drinking. The Sun’s one sided vile article on him doesn’t mention drink so he couldn’t have been as they would have mentioned it. He was playing whilst the England game was on so it wasn’t late. Not read the article in The Sun yet- sounds like I am not missing much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Not read the article in The Sun yet- sounds like I am not missing much. Typically, it is desperate to hate another young English footballer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Have no idea if this thread is true, but if so, my thoughts are why couldn't he have waited until Saturday night? Shows a lack of common sense and possibly a gambling addiction, which could be a concern. Call me crazy, but if I was home ill, I'd stay in doors and rest. The media and scrutiny in this country is hardly a new thing, is it? I'd be pretty pissed off if I was the England manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Journalist Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 It's a little bit like going out on a jolly in the evening having been off work sick all day. You're not really doing anything wrong as it's in your own time, but it's not the brightest move is it? File under "doesn't really matter, not really done anything wrong but... silly". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Sensible bloke Didn't stay in and watch that shite. Like I did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Complete non-story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 6 hours ago, RedDave said: I read an article that said he wasn’t drinking. The Sun’s one sided vile article on him doesn’t mention drink so he couldn’t have been as they would have mentioned it. He was playing whilst the England game was on so it wasn’t late. I think the issue was he pulled out because he was ill. And he was clearly not ill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Riaz said: I think the issue was he pulled out because he was ill. And he was clearly not ill That’s not the issue at all. He was ill. Too ill to finish the training with England so was sent home. That would be different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, RedDave said: That’s not the issue at all. He was ill. Too ill to finish the training with England so was sent home. Was well enough to go to the casino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Riaz said: Was well enough to go to the casino Doubt it he was running around in the casino for 90 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I couldn’t give two shits if he was in a casino but I find it baffling that if you can’t play for your country at the last minute you aren’t fussed enough to watch the game. That’s the bit that I find odd tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, Riaz said: Was well enough to go to the casino You’re the only one looking at it like that. Clearly he was feeling better on the Friday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, RedDave said: You’re the only one looking at it like that. Clearly he was feeling better on the Friday Get back to the squad and play tonight then. Clearly nit picking but thats the only issue i have. If he wants to gamble, thats his choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, Riaz said: Get back to the squad and play tonight then. Clearly nit picking but thats the only issue i have. If he wants to gamble, thats his choice He was sent home for the whole trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said: I couldn’t give two shits if he was in a casino but I find it baffling that if you can’t play for your country at the last minute you aren’t fussed enough to watch the game. That’s the bit that I find odd tbh. Perhaps he isn't a football fan ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 The papers, especially the one that ran this story, are absolutely toxic. Let his football do the talking. A complete non-story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway Red Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Back in the day players used to spend their time in the bookies or snooker Hall (remember seeing a few in the Paragon on North Street) now it's a lot of young men with vast amounts of money trying to get a buzz, understandable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I'm not a massive fan of casinos or the way gambling culture is so dominant but, like most others on here, I'm a bit lost on what he has actually done wrong. Even accepting he was ill, sitting in a casino is very different to flying to another country and running around for two intense training sessions and 90 minutes on a pitch. I get the "if you're not well enough to go work, you shouldn't out" thing but it's not like he works in a hospital. His work is physical and intensive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenRobin Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Don't like him. One of the most overrated players in the prem, given a good rep just for being English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: I couldn’t give two shits if he was in a casino but I find it baffling that if you can’t play for your country at the last minute you aren’t fussed enough to watch the game. That’s the bit that I find odd tbh. Or put it another way, if i wanted to be involved in something but had to withdraw i probably wouldn’t want to see it and be reminded what could’ve been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, walnutroof said: Or put it another way, if i wanted to be involved in something but had to withdraw i probably wouldn’t want to see it and be reminded what could’ve been Yeah it doesn’t particularly bother me, just find it a bit weird tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 10 hours ago, LondonBristolian said: I'm not a massive fan of casinos or the way gambling culture is so dominant but, like most others on here, I'm a bit lost on what he has actually done wrong. Even accepting he was ill, sitting in a casino is very different to flying to another country and running around for two intense training sessions and 90 minutes on a pitch. I get the "if you're not well enough to go work, you shouldn't out" thing but it's not like he works in a hospital. His work is physical and intensive... Hmmm. I wonder whether, upon reflection, you might have phrased that somewhat differently.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 "I'm feeling out of sorts Gareth and wont be available even if I was picked". "Ok Son go and see the Doctors". "Ahh bit of virus here. This will sort that out. 400mg of amoxycillin three times a day but remember with these they are special so none of that staying in and resting rubbish, these antibioticsl work better if you go to a casino". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 4 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Hmmm. I wonder whether, upon reflection, you might have phrased that somewhat differently.... I actually have no idea why I put hospital! I meant to put "office" and Christ knows why my fingers did that instead - possibly because the one admin job I ever had was in a hospital and that was the most office based I have ever been! I sincerely apologise to anyone who works in a hospital - I realise most of the work IS physical and intensive. Thanks so much for spotting that - I honestly had no idea I had written it and truly am sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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