The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

[BS2 Red]

3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

If you've been double jabbed, what are you scared of exactly.

This is a very telling statement on the mentality of anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers and anti-passporters (I am not saying you personally are all of those!).

There's no thought at all there of others. You can't even comprehend that people pro mask/vaccine/passport might not be doing things for themselves but out of consideration of others.

Personally I have very little fear for myself. I'm double jabbed, reasonably healthy and young enough that covid shouldn't touch me.

Bit none of that means I can't catch it and pass it on to somebody who could become very sick or even die.

I'm not "cowering" as Sajid Javid would think, I am trying to protect other people. It's the exact same reasoning behind washing my hands after going to the toilet or covering my mouth/nose when I sneeze or cough. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 hours ago, BS2 Red said:

This is a very telling statement on the mentality of anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers and anti-passporters (I am not saying you personally are all of those!).

There's no thought at all there of others. You can't even comprehend that people pro mask/vaccine/passport might not be doing things for themselves but out of consideration of others.

Personally I have very little fear for myself. I'm double jabbed, reasonably healthy and young enough that covid shouldn't touch me.

Bit none of that means I can't catch it and pass it on to somebody who could become very sick or even die.

I'm not "cowering" as Sajid Javid would think, I am trying to protect other people. It's the exact same reasoning behind washing my hands after going to the toilet or covering my mouth/nose when I sneeze or cough. 

Still do- wear masks and tbh quite surprised in a few shops to see- shops I regularly go to, guy behind the counter who I sort of know not wearing a mask at all times let's say. Ambivalent about the vaccine and dead against Vaccine Passports.

Possible there is some overanalysis of a frustrated post- but if the Vaccine offers as much protection as it is supposed to, catching Covid shouldn't come as a great concern for those who have 2 Jabs.

The thing is, it's been 18 months or maybe not 15-16 months? Cases seem to be on a downward trajectory at this stage- I think the young have made significant sacrifices in this period, certainly bore the brunt of necessary sacrifices and measures.

Yep, wash my hands as well and long before Covid, and hand over mouth/nose the same. No easy answers tbh, there are those who cannot be Vaccinated- immunosuppressed for example, but then there are absolutely those who were fecked over economically via Covid and falling through the cracks.

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 hours ago, lenred said:

Sorry - are you now calling me a bully given you have taken on some weird obsession with my view on this? You seriously need to quit it if so as I take that kind of accusation very seriously. 

You have not been ‘bounced’ into anything. You have simply been asked by me as to what on earth you meant because you joined the debate and called out people (and me specifically for some weird reason) who want to stay safe and who want their families to stay safe and for the NHS to not be overwhelmed and for society to get back to as normal as possible as ‘obsessive’ and ‘fundamentalist’ which tbh is just weird behaviour, given that most sane human beings want the same thing I presume. But whatever floats your boat.  

Think you're getting this wrong somewhat. Bully? Nope, and nor would I imply it.

Fundamentalist is the wrong word, the Vaccine Passport advocates can perhaps seem a bit obsessive in that specific area. Kinda object to the idea of Vaccine Passports in general though.

[1960maaan]

There has been talk of passports/tests/etc but I think this could start a trend through football.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Negative tests- does it mean within 48 hours PCR or Lateral Flow?

I don't have any significant problem with Negative Tests- why is e.g. Immunity having caught it not an option at Chelsea though- antibodies come from that too.

[James54De]

12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Negative tests- does it mean within 48 hours PCR or Lateral Flow?

I don't have any significant problem with Negative Tests- why is e.g. Immunity having caught it not an option at Chelsea though- antibodies come from that too.

The QR code on the NHS app can be from a positive PCR in the last 6 months 

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 minutes ago, James54De said:

The QR code on the NHS app can be from a positive PCR in the last 6 months 

Okay so Lateral Flow Tests are better for that purpose then? NHS App? Wouldn't know about that, phone's too old.

[MarcusX]

57 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Okay so Lateral Flow Tests are better for that purpose then? NHS App? Wouldn't know about that, phone's too old.

LFT is pointless for this, you dont even have to do the test just scan it and say it was negative

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

LFT is pointless for this, you dont even have to do the test just scan it and say it was negative

Skimread it, email proof was mentioned, but I suppose that system can be 'gamed.

[MarcusX]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Skimread it, email proof was mentioned, but I suppose that system can be 'gamed.

Yea that's what I mean, you do the LFT go to the site to report it and you tell the site whether it was negative or positive. Choose negative and you get your text / email. There's no way of concluding that you actually did a test so IMO proof of a negative test via LFT is pointless really.

PCR would be better, but a bit more hassle plus the risk of taking 2 days to get results

Edited July 28, 2021 by MarcusX

[chinapig]

1 minute ago, MarcusX said:

Yea that's what I mean, you do the LFT go to the site to report it and you tell the site whether it was negative or positive. Choose negative and you get your text / email. There's no way of concluding that you actually did a test so IMO proof of a negative test via LFT is pointless really.

PCR would be better, but a bit more hassle plus the risk of taking 2 days to get results

Am I right in saying that LFTs are far more likely to produce false positives/negatives as well?

[Guest]

On 27/07/2021 at 14:05, BS2 Red said:

It's the exact same reasoning behind washing my hands after going to the toilet or covering my mouth/nose when I sneeze or cough.

I would like to think you were doing that before the pandemic also and haven't just started this practice based on government advice.

[Red-Robbo]

1 minute ago, chinapig said:

Am I right in saying that LFTs are far more likely to produce false positives/negatives as well?

 

Yup. It's why kids who tested positive via their bi-weekly LFT in schools had to confirm the diagnosis by booking a PCR.

[Selred]

9 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Am I right in saying that LFTs are far more likely to produce false positives/negatives as well?

65% accuracy for false negatives.

99% accuracy for false positives.

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 hours ago, Selred said:

65% accuracy for false negatives.

99% accuracy for false positives.

If I've read that right, that effectively means that if you're negative it's just under a 2/3 chance of being right and if you're positive it's 99% accurate?

[Selred]

2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

If I've read that right, that effectively means that if you're negative it's just under a 2/3 chance of being right and if you're positive it's 99% accurate?

Correct.

[Steve Watts]

19 hours ago, MarcusX said:

Yea that's what I mean, you do the LFT go to the site to report it and you tell the site whether it was negative or positive. Choose negative and you get your text / email. There's no way of concluding that you actually did a test so IMO proof of a negative test via LFT is pointless really.

PCR would be better, but a bit more hassle plus the risk of taking 2 days to get results

Not totally pointless.  Only pointless for those that don't want to do the right thing.  I would like to think that most people who test positive would do the right thing and stay away, so there is a point to them.  It would need the EFL to make a change, but an incentive for honesty would possibly be that if you test positive and have a ticket for a match then you're offered a streaming pass for it.  Possibly would reduce the temptation to report a positive result as negative.

[MarcusX]

20 hours ago, chinapig said:

Am I right in saying that LFTs are far more likely to produce false positives/negatives as well?

My understanding was that if you test positive on a LFT it's pretty likely you are positive (but PCR to confirm) whereas a negative test doesn't necessarily mean you are negative. I think it gives out more false negatives than false positives, but I could be wrong

[MarcusX]

47 minutes ago, Steve Watts said:

Not totally pointless.  Only pointless for those that don't want to do the right thing.  I would like to think that most people who test positive would do the right thing and stay away, so there is a point to them.  It would need the EFL to make a change, but an incentive for honesty would possibly be that if you test positive and have a ticket for a match then you're offered a streaming pass for it.  Possibly would reduce the temptation to report a positive result as negative.

Fair point. I might be being a bit harsh but I get the impression the sort of person who objects to having to do these things to enter a ground are the types of people likely to circumvent the rules to get in. Probably a small minority, but it only takes a small amount of them to be positive and if they've already done that to get in, I've little confidence they'd be wearing a mask, keeping their distance etc.

Another issue you raise there, if you've got a ticket and you tested positive last minute what would happen. Would you be entitled to a refund? If not, again there's another decision to make, waste the £40-50 you've spent (or more if you're taking family). We saw that with England games, though may have been more a case of it being such a once in a generation type game that people wouldn't want to miss it. With regular league games there's always the next one.

[Steve Watts]

4 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Fair point. I might be being a bit harsh but I get the impression the sort of person who objects to having to do these things to enter a ground are the types of people likely to circumvent the rules to get in. Probably a small minority, but it only takes a small amount of them to be positive and if they've already done that to get in, I've little confidence they'd be wearing a mask, keeping their distance etc.

Another issue you raise there, if you've got a ticket and you tested positive last minute what would happen. Would you be entitled to a refund? If not, again there's another decision to make, waste the £40-50 you've spent (or more if you're taking family). We saw that with England games, though may have been more a case of it being such a once in a generation type game that people wouldn't want to miss it. With regular league games there's always the next one.

That's kinda my point.  Let's say 10 people test positive just before a match.  3 of them might be the screw you variety.  But if the other 7 decide to do the right thing to protect others then that's 7 mitigated opportunities that the virus could have spread in.

As for the tickets, that's why I suggested that the league need to take the initiative on this and remove their restriction to stream in the UK on a Saturday so that those who have a ticket and do test positive but may be sitting on the fence of what to do then they may be incentivised to stay away by not missing the match itself.

[CyderInACan]

20 hours ago, Steve Watts said:

That's kinda my point.  Let's say 10 people test positive just before a match.  3 of them might be the screw you variety.  But if the other 7 decide to do the right thing to protect others then that's 7 mitigated opportunities that the virus could have spread in.

As for the tickets, that's why I suggested that the league need to take the initiative on this and remove their restriction to stream in the UK on a Saturday so that those who have a ticket and do test positive but may be sitting on the fence of what to do then they may be incentivised to stay away by not missing the match itself.

understand the point re streaming on a Saturday but the clubs quite simply need bums on seats, selling pies, pints and programmes to get the pound notes flowing back into the coffers. In the absence of any further lockdown(s) I cant see the restrictions on streaming blackouts being lifted (albeit there is still always the option for anyone, ahem, abroad to stream all games for £140/season) 

[italian dave]

2 hours ago, CyderInACan said:

understand the point re streaming on a Saturday but the clubs quite simply need bums on seats, selling pies, pints and programmes to get the pound notes flowing back into the coffers. In the absence of any further lockdown(s) I cant see the restrictions on streaming blackouts being lifted (albeit there is still always the option for anyone, ahem, abroad to stream all games for £140/season) 

I guess the risk for the club is that those three bums on seats, buying their pies and pints, and going to the toilet, results in 30 fewer bums on seats etc the next game, because they're at home with covid. But I doubt they'll see it like that!

You'd have thought it possible to restrict access codes to streaming to those who've got match tickets - but I can see that gets time consuming and like you cant see restrictions being lifted otherwise.

[Dredd]

I think if the club want money in their coffers they need to get the outside areas primed for people to mix outside, even at the sacrifice of some car parking. I personally will not be doing any eating or drinking indoors inside a busy concourse at the moment, and football fans are still treated like second class sporting fans when it comes to being allowed to drink in our seats like adults. 

[BasSavage88]

Seems the lead *** anti vaxxer can be bought for 10k

 

https://youtu.be/u34rnwBnl

 

 

[James54De]

If I didn’t have Covid, I defiantly do after 10 minutes in the dolman concourse. 
 

Jesting of course, was great to be back amongst it. But if anyone is very wary, it was packed. Forgot just had small an area it is. 

[Son of Fred]

On 31/07/2021 at 17:43, James54De said:

If I didn’t have Covid, I defiantly do after 10 minutes in the dolman concourse. 

Indeed...good to get it out of the way(not really)...

Forgive me please for my vagueness in not 'trawling through,,,can I ask what are the requirements to be met(re; covid) by supporters on Saturday to gain entry to the ground - apart from a ticket or season card!...

 

[Dredd]

13 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

Indeed...good to get it out of the way(not really)...

Forgive me please for my vagueness in not 'trawling through,,,can I ask what are the requirements to be met(re; covid) by supporters on Saturday to gain entry to the ground - apart from a ticket or season card!...

 

Nothing. No entry requirements at all

[CyderInACan]

16 minutes ago, Dredd said:

Nothing. No entry requirements at all

And no social distancing of any type once in the stadium in the queues for the bars, food, toilets etc 

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

As it stands, ie before Government orders that might or might not arise, the policy will be left for Clubs to decide. Eg no EFL orders.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-matches-vaccine-passports-efl-b1894725.html

[Super]

Football fans face random COVID spot checks

The Premier League has announced fans are set to be subject to random spot-checks of their COVID-19 status at some grounds in the opening few weeks of the new season.

The 2021-22 campaign, with supporters returning to stadiums following the easing of coronavirus restrictions, kicks off on Friday when Brentford host Arsenal.

In a statement regarding matchday protocols, the Premier League said fans going to games should be prepared to show they have been fully vaccinated or have received a negative lateral flow test in the previous 48 hours, via their NHS COVID pass through the NHS app or website link.

And it said: "Initially, in the first few matchdays of the season, supporters can expect the introduction of random spot-checks for ticket holders at some grounds as we establish the required processes so clubs and fans are prepared for all match attenders to have their Covid-19 status checked upon arrival, should it become mandatory."

The league also said fans must comply with a supporter code of conduct, and stressed the importance of wearing masks in indoor areas, avoiding close contact with people you do not know and following one-way signage around stadiums.

[Mr Popodopolous]

A bit of interesting news although devil is in the detail- different papers report different stuff etc.

Yesterday's Times. 

Quote

Premier League clubs will start asking fans for proof of Covid vaccination or a negative test when the new season starts this weekend but the threat of supporters and players being obliged to have double jabs is receding.

The government had previously indicated it wanted mandatory vaccinations for spectators at sports events with more than 20,000 people attending but it is understood that plan is close to being ditched after opposition.

Instead fans will be asked to provide a vaccine passport- proof of a negative lateral flow test or a double vaccination- the same system that was used at Euro 2020 and Wimbledon.

Not all clubs will start checking the Covid certification this weekend, though some, including Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur and Brighton & Hove Albion have announced they will, but there will be no official requirement until it is ordered by the government.

Some top-flight club chairmen had told the Premier League that the mandatory vaccine plan was "unworkable" but that they would use the passport system to protect capacity crowds.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/clubs-to-ask-fans-for-proof-of-vaccination-or-negative-test-vqvmpwv02

Devil in the detail like I said...note the bolded bits.

If it's Vaccine OR Negative Lateral Flow Test and proof thereof, that's a reasonable compromise in uncertain times. If it's the Government who are close to ditching it- ie Vaccine and only Vaccine- good.

I know it is the PL but whatever happens there will likely filter down etc.

Not comfortable with Vaccine Passports and only Vaccine Passports when so many have been jabbed and have antibodies- 92% I think either through natural immunity or double jabbed last ONS survey.

Edited August 11, 2021 by Mr Popodopolous

[Sir Geoff]

Several games postponed this week, 42 positive cases reported in the Premier League in the last week and today the papers are reporting that the BMA are recommending, amongst other measures, a reduction in mass gatherings. Government to review the situation again on 18th December. Would not be a surprise to see ground capacities greatly reduced or even a return to ground closures throughout the end of December through January.

[Mr Hankey]

Complete & utter madness.

[Lanterne Rouge]

1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said:

Several games postponed this week, 42 positive cases reported in the Premier League in the last week and today the papers are reporting that the BMA are recommending, amongst other measures, a reduction in mass gatherings. Government to review the situation again on 18th December. Would not be a surprise to see ground capacities greatly reduced or even a return to ground closures throughout the end of December through January.

I was thinking about players over the Christmas period. Say one club has an (unknown at the time) issue and still plays. Every club has three games in about eight days so three other clubs involved all of which will have two other games with another two opponents so already you have nearly half the division that have had `contact` with the original one in a short timeframe. If this new variant spreads as quickly as they say it could be a major problem.

[Betty Swallocks]

5 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

I think we're not far off league suspension for the same reasons  you say, as I mentioned in another thread. We're not very far off that at all sadly. 

There won’t be a league suspension, they know clubs will go under if they bring in a blanket postponement of games. Some clubs may end up in the same position that Rotherham were last season though. 

[Bristol Rob]

29 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

I think we're not far off league suspension for the same reasons  you say, as I mentioned in another thread. We're not very far off that at all sadly. 

Probably getting confused, but does next season start earlier or later due to the winter world cup?

[Betty Swallocks]

1 minute ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Mail and Express have gone with suspension worries. The 42 cases is much higher than March 2020 suspension by all accounts. 

I can't see what else they can do, the Rotherham situation was ridiculous and unfair, sadly. 

I've no idea tbh with you. 

I can’t see how they can suspend the league. There will be no furlough this time so players will still be expect to turn up for training etc. Paying lower league players just to train will cripple clubs.

For the top divisions, when would they play the rearranged games, there’s an international round of fixtures at the start of June. Next season starts at the end of July so there’s no scope play through to August as they had done for the 19/20 season. The Champions League starts at the start of July as well.

[A Horse With No Name]

11 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Probably getting confused, but does next season start earlier or later due to the winter world cup?

It starts earlier, and there is a long break mid season for the WC.

[Betty Swallocks]

4 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Furlough isnt off the table https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/furlough-business-covid-omicron-lockdown-22452617

As for the rest, don't honestly know what to suggest, this would be the equivalent of a potential great football reset. 

Clubs have been fiscally irresponsible for years, it wasn't sustainable and the likes of the On Digital stuff proved that nigh on twenty years ago, despite FFP and SCMP clubs have still traded in losses since in the main. 

Something has to give and if things did go again, which I suspect they will, post pandemic I can possibly see a massive change to the league structure back to regional leagues below the Champs, with those sustainable promoted to cover the one's folded or had to phoenix etc. 

Sadly football isnt the same as it was pre pandemic and if the game is to survive there needs to be big changes. 

There will be no great reset. This season may be played in front of empty stands for the next couple of months but the season will be completed.

Clubs will be training much like they were when numbers went mad last January. The protocols they put in place last season worked well. There won’t be much indoor training being allowed to take place though I can’t imagine. 

[bearded_red]

The first page of this thread still a top read.

[James54De]

On 23/02/2020 at 11:40, The Coach said:

Has the whole Coronavirus been blown out of proportion? Especially when more die suffering from flu etc 

 

On 23/02/2020 at 13:34, phantom said:

No

Exactly this 

Usual overreaction 

We're we not supposed to all be killed by SARS and bird flu? 

Oh my

[Numero Uno]

One question I would ask is why are so many footballers apparently unvaccinated and catching Covid? This is a profession where pretty much everything is done for them just short of someone knelt down in the shitter wiping their arse behind them. Are some of these players being given medical advice, given their fitness levels, to take a hit on Covid rather than a vaccine? Gotta make you wonder.

[phantom]

5 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

One question I would ask is why are so many footballers apparently unvaccinated and catching Covid? This is a profession where pretty much everything is done for them just short of someone knelt down in the shitter wiping their arse behind them. Are some of these players being given medical advice, given their fitness levels, to take a hit on Covid rather than a vaccine? Gotta make you wonder.

Simple answer - Nahki Wells

[exAtyeoMax]

9 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

One question I would ask is why are so many footballers apparently unvaccinated and catching Covid? This is a profession where pretty much everything is done for them just short of someone knelt down in the shitter wiping their arse behind them. Are some of these players being given medical advice, given their fitness levels, to take a hit on Covid rather than a vaccine? Gotta make you wonder.

you can still catch COVID being vaccinated. Are they unvaccinated? Apparently there are a number of people quite high up in the medical profession who aren't vaccinated…?

Why so many compared to others, if that is correct (?), I don't know

[Numero Uno]

4 minutes ago, phantom said:

Simple answer - Nahki Wells

Well it wouldn't be a simple answer if he was a lone wolf but I get the distinct impression he isn't and there are far too many footballers playing the game who would only refuse to take a vaccine if they were advised not to. I've had all my jabs and I'm not into conspiracy theories but it does make you wonder why many footballers are effectively being "allowed" to catch the virus.

[James54De]

Just now, Numero Uno said:

Well it wouldn't be a simple answer if he was a lone wolf but I get the distinct impression he isn't and there are far too many footballers playing the game who would only refuse to take a vaccine if they were advised not to. I've had all my jabs and I'm not into conspiracy theories but it does make you wonder why many footballers are effectively being "allowed" to catch the virus.

Football players are not renowned for being particularly intelligent. 

[Numero Uno]

Just now, exAtyeoMax said:

you can still catch COVID being vaccinated. Are they unvaccinated? Apparently there are a number of people quite high up in the medical profession who aren't vaccinated…?

Why so many compared to others, if that is correct (?), I don't know

Yeah, I get that but my understanding is that the percentage of unvaccinated footballers is very much higher than the general population. But yeah, using your own example you have to ask WHY?

[Numero Uno]

Just now, James54De said:

Football players are not renowned for being particularly intelligent. 

No, some of them aren't and so I would have expected a lot more to have been vaccinated and particularly for clubs to make sure they are vaccinated if they are a bit thick. These are valuable assets after all. So the question is why?

[James54De]

5 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

No, some of them aren't and so I would have expected a lot more to have been vaccinated and particularly for clubs to make sure they are vaccinated if they are a bit thick. These are valuable assets after all. So the question is why?

Probably social media. There’s a direct correlation between education level and proportion of population vaccinated. Sad, I know, but a reality 

[frenchred]

Do players and staff have to abide by plan b mandate?

[MarcusX]

1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

One question I would ask is why are so many footballers apparently unvaccinated and catching Covid? This is a profession where pretty much everything is done for them just short of someone knelt down in the shitter wiping their arse behind them. Are some of these players being given medical advice, given their fitness levels, to take a hit on Covid rather than a vaccine? Gotta make you wonder.

Probably education and misinformation tbh

[phantom]

1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

Yeah, I get that but my understanding is that the percentage of unvaccinated footballers is very much higher than the general population. But yeah, using your own example you have to ask WHY?

Is this fact or opinion, it's difficult to have any real value if you are picking a small demographic of person

How about comparing to A&E nurses for example?

It's probably more about education and understanding

[Red DNA]

1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

No, some of them aren't and so I would have expected a lot more to have been vaccinated and particularly for clubs to make sure they are vaccinated if they are a bit thick. These are valuable assets after all. So the question is why?

Footballers usually have a very high belief in themselves and their abilities so some will always have a huge ego and simply  don’t like being told what to do, some (allegedly) don’t adhere to the managers tactics either when told….

[RedM]

2 hours ago, frenchred said:

Do players and staff have to abide by plan b mandate?

I guess they have to be vaccinated OR have proof of a negative test, like many other workers. I would think Wells isn’t the only footballer at AG who hasn’t been jabbed, but others remain private.

I know a few people who work in the hospitality and retail industries and they aren’t vaccinated as it’s their choice not to. Can you be sure the person passing you your pint, or scanning your shopping is Covid free? 

[Harry]

3 hours ago, James54De said:

Probably social media. There’s a direct correlation between education level and proportion of population vaccinated. Sad, I know, but a reality 

Not at all judgemental. 
“I’m right and anyone who disagrees is thick and poor”. 
What a nice chap. 

[James54De]

1 minute ago, Harry said:

Not at all judgemental. 
“I’m right and anyone who disagrees is thick and poor”. 
What a nice chap. 

There is a direct and proven correlation between education level and vaccine hesitancy. 

[Harry]

4 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

One question I would ask is why are so many footballers apparently unvaccinated and catching Covid? This is a profession where pretty much everything is done for them just short of someone knelt down in the shitter wiping their arse behind them. Are some of these players being given medical advice, given their fitness levels, to take a hit on Covid rather than a vaccine? Gotta make you wonder.

Why do you assume it’s only unvaccinated footballers who are getting covid? 
Please don’t tell me you are one of those people who actually thinks that the vaccine will prevent you from getting covid! 
Hopefully that was just a slip of the tongue and you do actually fully understand that even if you are vaccinated you can still test positive. 

[frenchred]

16 minutes ago, RedM said:

I guess they have to be vaccinated OR have proof of a negative test, like many other workers. I would think Wells isn’t the only footballer at AG who hasn’t been jabbed, but others remain private.

I know a few people who work in the hospitality and retail industries and they aren’t vaccinated as it’s their choice not to. Can you be sure the person passing you your pint, or scanning your shopping is Covid free? 

it was a genuine question, not one to antagonise, i’m just surprised they don’t use it as a bit of a lever to persuade fans to have it.

thanks for your response

[Harry]

Just now, James54De said:

There is a direct and proven correlation between education level and vaccine hesitancy. 

And race. Go on say it……..

[frenchred]

Just now, Harry said:

And race. Go on say it……..

reading into something else that ain’t there?

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, Harry said:

Why do you assume it’s only unvaccinated footballers who are getting covid? 
Please don’t tell me you are one of those people who actually thinks that the vaccine will prevent you from getting covid! 
Hopefully that was just a slip of the tongue and you do actually fully understand that even if you are vaccinated you can still test positive. 

Yes, I do understand that as I’ve already said. If vaccination stopped it dead there would be far fewer cases than there are. I was coming from the angle of do some of these medics know something we don’t and are happy enough for players not to be vaccinated? You would have thought that clubs protecting expensive assets would make sure they are vaccinated regardless.

[James54De]

3 minutes ago, Harry said:

And race. Go on say it……..

God you’re strange. But yes, the proportion of fully vaccinated amongst minorities is lower than white British. 

[Harry]

4 minutes ago, frenchred said:

reading into something else that ain’t there?

Not at all. It’s the only known fact in the general public domain. James54De chose to insinuate it was only the poor and the dumb - I’ve not seen any such analysis, it might be out there but I don’t know (and I doubt it’s true anyway). 
So the 2+2 is that he is insinuating that black people are poor and uneducated. 
The 2 facts he presents + the 1 fact we all know. 
Its bloody disgusting. 

[Harry]

5 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Yes, I do understand that as I’ve already said. If vaccination stopped it dead there would be far fewer cases than there are. I was coming from the angle of do some of these medics know something we don’t and are happy enough for players not to be vaccinated? You would have thought that clubs protecting expensive assets would make sure they are vaccinated regardless.

Perhaps the medics know perfectly well that the virus is highly highly highly unlikely to effect these young fit footballers and so they know they don’t really need it? 

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, Harry said:

Perhaps the medics know perfectly well that the virus is highly highly highly unlikely to effect these young fit footballers and so they know they don’t really need it? 

That will no doubt be a factor although these footballers do have less fit families but regardless I would still have expected Chairman and CEO’s at some clubs to say sod the medics you are getting jabbed.

[James54De]

5 minutes ago, Harry said:

Not at all. It’s the only known fact in the general public domain. James54De chose to insinuate it was only the poor and the dumb - I’ve not seen any such analysis, it might be out there but I don’t know (and I doubt it’s true anyway). 
So the 2+2 is that he is insinuating that black people are poor and uneducated. 
The 2 facts he presents + the 1 fact we all know. 
Its bloody disgusting. 

Where did I insinuate it was only the ‘poor and dumb’. I merely stated there was a correlation between the two. 
You’ve made the 2+2 up, so on your head be it. 
Personally, I believe that minorities have a heap of other reasons to be more mistrusting of the government than whites are, hence vaccine hesitancy.

You’re obviously not as intelligent as you believe yourself to be. There is endless academic discussion over vaccine hesitancy and why certain demographics are more hesitant than others. To ignore it, and be so afraid to talk of it as you obviously are, is to disregard it. 

[Harry]

30 minutes ago, James54De said:

Where did I insinuate it was only the ‘poor and dumb’. I merely stated there was a correlation between the two. 
You’ve made the 2+2 up, so on your head be it. 
Personally, I believe that minorities have a heap of other reasons to be more mistrusting of the government than whites are, hence vaccine hesitancy.

You’re obviously not as intelligent as you believe yourself to be. There is endless academic discussion over vaccine hesitancy and why certain demographics are more hesitant than others. To ignore it, and be so afraid to talk of it as you obviously are, is to disregard it. 

I may not be as intelligent as I believe. But also, you are clearly more of a bigot than you believe. 

[Cowshed]

1 hour ago, James54De said:

There is a direct and proven correlation between education level and vaccine hesitancy. 

Is there?

Vaccine hesitancy across groups with degrees was 8%. It was lower amongst the populace with no qualifcations at all at 7%. 

[BTRFTG]

Well, from where I am the measures proposed for Saturday make little sense given the Omicron variant is running riot up here. Few getting sick but the world and his wife getting it.

I'm triple inoculated, but not against Omicron, so I could be infected with that strain yet remain asymptomatic. There's little point in asking for a negative LFT as tests are in shorter supply than a City player scoring a hat trick this season.

The club's proposal to promote getting fans in early to scoff and quaff in the enclosed concourse appears reckless to say the least. They should reconsider that strategy immediately. If attendance is still permitted and they've any sense they'll close all concessions and have masked supporters make straight to their seats and the open air, with frequent sanitizing of handrails et al.

[pillred]

5 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

you can still catch COVID being vaccinated. Are they unvaccinated? Apparently there are a number of people quite high up in the medical profession who aren't vaccinated…?

Why so many compared to others, if that is correct (?), I don't know

It's accepted that being fully vaccinated makes it harder to catch or pass on covid and eases the symptoms, so why anybody would not have the vaccine given the miniscule chance of it adversely affecting you is frankly beyond me, it would be interesting to know just how many of them have not bothered to be vaccinated.