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Futile conversation (with respect) unless the autonomy dynamic at the club changes.

None of those listed above come here in the current set-up.

If Holden goes, welcome Paul Simpson (although not sure the club will have the nerve to eek out his appointment for six weeks with thinly veiled promises of external appointment for a second time).

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The plan needs to change or SL will just select another the same, the plan wont change so expect another inexp manager, who will work under the plan, do what hes told and just be here for the money.

Same old same old, and Ashton to throw Dean under a bus and search desperatley for weeeks for another just the same while he continues to line his nest.

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I would take anyone that is not at this club or whos name ends in pulis

If ashton is here to stay then Appleton has to be favourite. Im indifferent to him but hes doing a decent job with lincoln and im sure he was popular at oxford 

Same with cowleys. I have seen loads of negativity towards them but if you look at their records then they are pretty phenomenal albeit at lower level.

Lampard, pearson, wagner and howe very unrealistic

Cook or bowyer would be my picks if they could work with ashton but very unlikely they could

 

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22 minutes ago, Red_Alligator said:

I'm not understanding the popularity of Cook. Can someone enlighten me?. Ta very much.

He has a fantastic recruitment history and a number of promotions at different clubs. 
 

Edit - but of course his excellent eye for recruitment won’t matter because that’s not what we look for in a head coach, for as long as a certain person is here. 

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34 minutes ago, harvey54 said:

Wagner, Howe, Cook, Lampard et al. Plenty of talent here. 

Who do you fancy? 

Bit of fun to take our minds off today 

Howe clearly , none of any of these will come here though 

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24 minutes ago, Red white and red said:

But none of those names would work within the regime we have. They would want to be in full control of finances and recruitment, which will never happen. It will be another yes man, cheap option puppet for Lansdown and Ashton to dictate to. 

Lansdown needs to decide what he wants and have the courage to communicate his decision to the supporters ( whilst we still care) .

 

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2 minutes ago, Harry said:

He has a fantastic recruitment history and a number of promotions at different clubs. 
 

Edit - but of course his excellent eye for recruitment won’t matter because that’s not what we look for in a head coach, for as long as a certain person is here. 

Thanks Harry. I'm just wondering, on that basis, why he's not currently in a job somewhere?

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Realistically Cook. 

Howe would be a coup.

Part of me wants someone from overseas who’s completely new - Arne Slot (who’s about to go to Feyenord) seemed an interesting left field name mentioned in the summer.

The key in this is Ashton. He has to go really otherwise our pool of potential managers becomes very small.

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28 minutes ago, Red_Alligator said:

I'm not understanding the popularity of Cook. Can someone enlighten me?. Ta very much.

The antithesis of a Johnson/Holden. Straight talking, old school, proven success. Similar to Cotterill in some ways. Done well in his career and earned a shot with a club like ours.

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Absolutely Paul Cook for me. A manager with a clear record of success at multiple clubs with different budgets and expectations. 

I don't doubt Eddie Howe is a good coach but I wonder if having a long association with one club would mean he could recreate that success a second time with us. 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, AppyDAZE said:

Interesting to hear Twentyman talk about PC. Somebody he apparently knows pretty well. Geoff says that knowing him, he woiuld like lots of control and would he be able to work under the current system at AG?

That’s the big question. I don’t imagine many managers would like to work in that environment.

None of us know for sure how much control Ashton actually has, but I can’t imagine someone like Cook wanting anything other than full control over signings. Certainly not selected Wasserman players ‘recommended’ to him in inordinate numbers. 

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42 minutes ago, Harry said:

I found my post from last summer. Screenshot below. 
 

 

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Good interesting read that Harry. I'd admit I wasn't completely sold on him when he was linked, but that was before I knew the unthinkable was going to happen.

I'm surprised he hasn't found somewhere yet.

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If we could have someone from this list, I'd be happy:

- Paul Cook

- Nigel Pearson

- Arne Slot (as something of "out there" appointment)

- Steve Cotterell (but that would take the board swallowing some pride and actually backing the guy properly - cant see it happening TBH)

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1 minute ago, Sheltons Army said:

Was saying Cook likes to be an old fashioned manager in control of things ‘( Not exact words’) and through my anger I think he said he speaks to or knows Cook 

Isn’t Cook from the north west too? Probably know lots of the same people, similar age too I’d guess.

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4 minutes ago, beaverface said:

If we could have someone from this list, I'd be happy:

- Paul Cook

- Nigel Pearson

- Arne Slot (as something of "out there" appointment)

- Steve Cotterell (but that would take the board swallowing some pride and actually backing the guy properly - cant see it happening TBH)

I know nothing of Slot. But I did used to like a slot* so he’ll do. 

I’d defo be happy with any of the above. 

*this is a fruit machine reference. 

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We need someone who is willing to come in & kick the players arses, at the moment they couldn't give a flying one about the club. Pearson would definitely do that & his Championship record is good.

But as previously stated (many times!), who would want to work under the constraints of the present administration?

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7 minutes ago, cityironman said:

We need someone who is willing to come in & kick the players arses, at the moment they couldn't give a flying one about the club. Pearson would definitely do that & his Championship record is good.

But as previously stated (many times!), who would want to work under the constraints of the present administration?

Pearson is a Championship and up Cotterill equivalent. Slightly odd, ruthlessly competitive and very assertive. I think he’d probably do really well here but is exactly the sort of manager we wouldn’t go for.

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Just now, Phileas Fogg said:

Pearson is a Championship and up Cotterill equivalent. Slightly odd, ruthlessly competitive and very assertive. I think he’s probably do really well here but is exactly the sort of manager we wouldn’t go for.

I feel that there is a middle ground between a LJ/DH and a Nigel Pearson, and still be an individual that would get us moving in the right direction. Nigel Pearson strikes me as someone who is never more than a game away from a meltdown, not sure if that's the 'stability' we want as a football club. When all is said and done, if you want someone who is available, has a proven track record of success, and isn't going to cost an absolute bomb, you can't really look beyond Paul Cook. Realistic, relatable, and reasonable - a good foundational manager to launch an assault on the hallowed Top 6 if you ask me.

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1 hour ago, Red white and red said:

But none of those names would work within the regime we have. They would want to be in full control of finances and recruitment, which will never happen. It will be another yes man, cheap option puppet for Lansdown and Ashton to dictate to. 

How do you actually know that? It’s safe to say you don’t 

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1 minute ago, GlastonburyRed said:

I feel that there is a middle ground between a LJ/DH and a Nigel Pearson, and still be an individual that would get us moving in the right direction. Nigel Pearson strikes me as someone who is never more than a game away from a meltdown, not sure if that's the 'stability' we want as a football club. When all is said and done, if you want someone who is available, has a proven track record of success, and isn't going to cost an absolute bomb, you can't really look beyond Paul Cook. Realistic, relatable, and reasonable - a good foundational manager to launch an assault on the hallowed Top 6 if you ask me.

As said earlier though GR, Cook possibly wouldn't work under the car salesman. Neither would Pearson TBH. 

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3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Pearson is a Championship and up Cotterill equivalent. Slightly odd, ruthlessly competitive and very assertive. I think he’d probably do really well here but is exactly the sort of manager we wouldn’t go for.

Pearson would be great for us but as you have said he is 100% a manager we wouldn’t go for. Not a chance Ashton or the Lansdown’s would want him regardless of the fact that he would most likely get us to their holy grail of the top 6.

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12 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Pearson is a Championship and up Cotterill equivalent. Slightly odd, ruthlessly competitive and very assertive. I think he’d probably do really well here but is exactly the sort of manager we wouldn’t go for.

If Steve had a mad moment and appointed him , without sacking Ashton , I’d safely predict Ashton would be found floating face down in the Harbour with a corner flag sticking out his arse as a sail ,

within a month ! 

??

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5 minutes ago, Red white and red said:

Ah so Dean Holden was the stand out candidate at the beginning of the season then? And not just the cheap option and path of least resistance? 

You said none of them would work in the “regime”. You don’t know that.

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1 hour ago, Harry said:

I found my post from last summer. Screenshot below. 
 

 

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My no.1 choice also. Posted it on here last year. Proven and as you state capable of spotting a player. I would have taken CH also if not PC but both options would refuse to work under Ashton’s grip.

Ashton needs f*ckin shot QUICK.

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Just now, Sheltons Army said:

If Steve had a mad moment and appointed him , without sacking Ashton , I’d safely predict Ashton would be found floating face down in the Harbour with a corner flag sticking out his arse as a sail ,

within a month ! 

??

I could live with that to be fair (not that I wish harm to the slimemeister before anyone accuses me). Pearson would snap him in half and half the players as well.

Get him in, sounds like a win - win! 

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