Numero Uno Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Just now, Lrrr said: Surely the stadium has to be swept first? Can’t guarantee a small group of fans hasn’t found their way into an obscure part of the stadium and could reappear mid game. the other thing to bare in mind is games take place because the stadiums are Covid bubbles, has that not been ‘burst’? Which makes it even harder to stage the game today. However I bet there aren't any free dates for a rearrangement. This is a complete headache for everyone involved but then so was scurrying behind peoples backs in support of a ESL. Hard lines lads......chickens coming home to roost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Which makes it even harder to stage the game today. However I bet there aren't any free dates for a rearrangement. This is a complete headache for everyone involved but then so was scurrying behind peoples backs in support of a ESL. Hard lines lads......chickens coming home to roost. Another point being made for needing a security sweep, how can you guarantee no package has been left it part of the stadium? Surely a sweep has to be conducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstart Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Be surprised if they dont play it tomorrow but keep it quiet until the last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 10 hours ago, bcfc01 said: Plus the American backer - jp morgan. Me and my slight conspiracy theorist (in a football sense) still wonders if FIFA at any stage even if only for a time, were still more involved in this Super League debacle than they let on! https://www.cityam.com/top-english-clubs-and-jp-morgan-in-talks-over-6bn-european-super-league/ Quote Financiers are now assembling a $6bn funding package to assist the launch of the venture, which, if successful, could be one of the sport’s most lucrative competitions. Wall Street titan JP Morgan is said to be in talks to provide the debt financing, which would be repaid from future broadcast revenue generated by the competition. Other banks are also expected to join financing of the project. As many as five English clubs could sign up to the league, while teams from France, Germany, Italy and Spain are said to be involved. The would-be competition has floated a provisional start date as early as 2022. Sources said Fifa, the international governing board for football, had been involved in developing the new league, which would consist of up to 18 teams and hold fixtures during the normal European season. The tournament would then conclude with a knockout round between the highest-placed clubs in the league, with the winners set to pocket hundreds of millions of pounds in prize money. Sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it- not as if FIFA and UEFA aren't strategic rivals either. Bit further back. https://apnews.com/article/europe-doha-gianni-infantino-champions-league-sports-europe-ff4a181899a4738c4c7c6ab6ee9439fe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 The irony if Liverpool are awarded the win and Man City take the title.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Brilliant irony that Arsenal miss out on the Europa League final tonight and won't qualify for Europe through the PL, having 2wks ago been founder members of the ESL.... #karma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 https://apnews.com/article/serie-a-premier-league-la-liga-europe-business-9fdff696ea3cecc515bcf88ade2a9e38 Not much of a punishment it seems, with the possible exception of Juventus and the big 2 in Spain. Breaching the settlement could hurt though- 100m fine if they try this again, 50m euros fine if they breach any other part of the settlement. With respect to the 3 holdouts... Quote But Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus have refused to approve what UEFA on Friday called “reintegration measures” and they will be referred to UEFA disciplinary bodies for sanctions after backing the new largely closed competition, meaning they could be banned from the Champions League. Need to hit all 3 and hit them hard- though I'd have liked to have seen all 12 get a bit of hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Bit of news on this. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12316995/european-super-league-uefa-begins-disciplinary-proceedings-against-barcelona-real-madrid-and-juventus The big two in Spain, plus Juventus- it is theoretically possible that UEFA could ban them from the CL in 2021/22, maybe even a 2 season ban over their refusal to renounce the Super League!! As I said before, I think the other 9 could be getting off lightly tbh, but this would be a statement if it happens. It does though raise a q if it happens, as to why UEFA couldn't just have refused Man City and PSG entry to 2020/21 CL given it's their competition over the FFP debacles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Another football body ducking an easy decision? I say easy as a deliberate oxymoron; It's easy on paper, and based on rules but football bodies find it hard to implement sanction on their members. I wonder why that is?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 The ESL will raise its head again sooner rather than later and WILL go ahead sometime soon. Renounce it or not means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 9 hours ago, BigTone said: The ESL will raise its head again sooner rather than later and WILL go ahead sometime soon. Renounce it or not means nothing. Always seems to, but there would be significant sanctions if so- financial and beyond. However this is nothing new... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 The questions about FIFA's involvement/mixed messaging that I alluded to a while ago still won't go away btw. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10004108-report-fifas-gianni-infantino-being-pressured-to-explain-his-role-with-super-league https://www.juvefc.com/fifa-president-infantino-being-questioned-on-european-super-league-involvement/ Seems rather odd that he would be vehemently against this, given his openness to one in Africa or a crossborder League there- and there was also talk about a joint US-Mexican competition which he was fine with. Whether this was past or present is unclear, as is the veracity of these claims. That said, FIFA and UEFA are competitors and I'd argue strategic rivals too- an ESL with some FIFA involvement would massively weaken UEFA. Big clubs would benefit- and FIFA involvement would surely be nice and tidy arrangement wise for said Clubs and Leagues, chance to still play in WC, chance to keep Clubs releasing players to WC and FIFA arrangement would confer a certain legitimacy. Of course it would have wrecked plenty but in terms of FIFA, the "Big" Clubs and a Super League...? https://josimarfootball.com/infantinos-double-game/ Sepp Blatter clearly had to go BUT as well as his stance on VAR, one thing I will say is that he was never in favour of this concept, or similar ones in other bits of the World. Starting to think Infantino is worse personally.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Seems a bit of a pathetic punishment? The six Premier League clubs involved in the European Super League (ESL) are set to be fined over £20m between them. Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea Manchester City, Tottenham and Arsenal wanted to form a breakaway league, a plan that was widely criticised across football and by the UK government. Further cash penalties and points deductions will be applied should they attempt a similar project again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 3.3 million each. Pathetic. Should have been at least 10 times that for them to feel any pain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Hope this gets donated to charity rather than the PL coffers! Presumably this "fine" has been negotiated with the clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Yaga Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Token gesture but personally I don't believe big fines would discourage the clubs from trying to breakaway again in future. It comes down to the future profits they think they will get in each scenario, I don't think the football authorities should push the 12 clubs away too much. However with fan feeling I think the football clubs are trapped in the current setup for the time being anyway, the clubs can't snatch more control of football for now because there is too much opposition. I imagine it would end up running into long court battles if there were stronger punishments and UEFA or whoever would face a fair amount of risk from that. Whilst this story has happened UEFA have still sneaked in 2 champions league positions being awarded to these clubs if they fail to qualify through the league which I find to be an awful move and needs to be reversed, for me that is the authorities being in bed with the clubs in a worse way than not dishing out harsh punishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 34 minutes ago, Super said: Seems a bit of a pathetic punishment? The six Premier League clubs involved in the European Super League (ESL) are set to be fined over £20m between them. Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea Manchester City, Tottenham and Arsenal wanted to form a breakaway league, a plan that was widely criticised across football and by the UK government. Further cash penalties and points deductions will be applied should they attempt a similar project again. It's like sending a parking fine to Jeff Bezos. A points deduction next season would have been the only way to hurt them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: It's like sending a parking fine to Jeff Bezos. A points deduction next season would have been the only way to hurt them. I agree 100% - you have to hit them very hard to dissuade them again. However, they have too much power (and they know it) and that Elephant in the room wont go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: It's like sending a parking fine to Jeff Bezos. A points deduction next season would have been the only way to hurt them. Agreed. Any fine would be useless as they can afford it. What would hurt them is a significant points deduction so that they flirt with relegation next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Just now, One Team said: Agreed. Any fine would be useless as they can afford it. What would hurt them is a significant points deduction so that they flirt with relegation next season. Or at minimum, worry about European qualification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 The phrasing of the report is supposed to suggest that over £20m is a punishment for the 6. Pathetic! For clubs who spend tens of millions on a single player and hundreds of millions in transfer windows it's so small change its like they're a child having their pocket money stopped for a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Yaga Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, One Team said: Agreed. Any fine would be useless as they can afford it. What would hurt them is a significant points deduction so that they flirt with relegation next season. The risk there is similar to when FIFA didn't give England the 2018 world cup and then all of a sudden the BBC were running programmes about corruption in the organisation. If the people doing the punishing had their own house in order then it wouldn't be an issue, but if you punish too hard the clubs are powerful enough to come after them with extra scrutiny about their own affairs. If they go to war it wouldn't be practical because both sides are bound to suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Assuming contracts will be updated in the future to try to prevent them from pulling away again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 'Punishment' woefully light. What I would have liked to have seen and this bit can only come from UEFA albeit perhaps in accordance with domestic FAs and Leagues. Big 6 here, big 3 in Spain and the 3 big if not necessarily the top 3 sides in Spain all banned from the 2021/22 CL, in addition to the fines and future punishments if they try it again. As for the holdout 3, ie Barcelona, Juventus, Real Madrid a deadline to renounce or a ban from the CL that extends into 2022/23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 'Punishment' woefully light. What I would have liked to have seen and this bit can only come from UEFA albeit perhaps in accordance with domestic FAs and Leagues. Big 6 here, big 3 in Spain and the 3 big if not necessarily the top 3 sides in Spain all banned from the 2021/22 CL, in addition to the fines and future punishments if they try it again. As for the holdout 3, ie Barcelona, Juventus, Real Madrid a deadline to renounce or a ban from the CL that extends into 2022/23. https://www.football-espana.net/2021/06/09/uefa-suspend-disciplinary-proceedings-on-real-madrid-barcelona-and-juventus Will try to find the article about some kind of Court Ruling too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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