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I really hope Tinnion has stopped reading this forum; if not he must be questioning his decision to take the job on. I just can't believe some of the #### stated on on here over the last few days. A week ago, he was the great new hope, we were banging goals in (against lesser opposition in friendlies) and we were seemingly going to walk the league.

After ONE GAME, yes ONE GAME it's all change;

-Murray is past it;

-Lita (who everyone pleaded for last season) is a donkey;

-Gillespie (who we've only seen in friendlies for Gods sake!) must start cos he's mates with Orr which guarantees a good on-field partnership;

-Tinnion is tactically inept (4-3-3 is clearly a failure; we can all see that after one game) and out of the Wilson mould;

-Millen isn't animated enough, and arm-waving is a proven indicator of coaching credentials (why do so many hate Millen? What's he done wrong?);

-Twentyman is biased against City 'cos he's polite to Leroy Rosenior;

-The tannoy announcer is ####;

-The atmosphere is ####;

-The Williams is too boisterous;

-We need a target man in the Peacock mould (because we all loved hime last season!!!);

-Roberts should have come on earlier (now that's hilarious given all the stick he's given), etc etc etc.

Did you really expect Torquay to just show up and roll over? It's the first game of the season dammit, they're bound to be up for it, and we've got a new team and new formation. Give it some time and stop the sodding whinging!!!!

Oh, and another point (rant!). Carey (who gave several years of decent service to us) is suddenly a traitor for showing the ambition to play at a higher level, and for wanting to earn more!!!! Those few that think players only show up out of 'honour' should get real. Would you stick with your job if another employer offered to increase your salary and improve your working conditions? What if your chosen profession had a 'shelf life' of about 15 years max? I don't think so.

I'm starting to miss the inane close-season 'what's your favourite colour/number?' postings.

End of rant.

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Well, Murray isn't a striker.

Lita played alright but just didn't have a good game.

If Orr & Gillespie can connect and read passes they will score goals. I'd start Gillespie anyway.

4-3-3 just didn't work becasue of the players. With this formation there is no width.

Some one else can carry on

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Impressive!

One of the best rants I've seen in ages. :laugh: All true of course..

But you do have to remember one thing.Footie fans (no matter which club they support)always turn a disapointing game/result into anger and critism.Its universial.

If City had romped convincingly to a 5-0 win,then 4-3-3 would now be the best thing since 1966 and City are going to win the league.Thats the way it is.

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I think you need to differentiate between whingeing and constructive criticism.

I don't know if you were at AG Saturday, I suspect you weren't, but seldom have I seen a large hopeful crowd get so dispirited, so quickly.

The man himself, to his great credit, said things were poor, so you'd hardly expect to see boundless optimism on here, would you?

As I've written,I was very disappointed and making a 300 mile round trip for a home game doesn't help.

What disappointed me most wasn't the result, it was the way we played and the players now know what BT told them was correct 150% or else-However, BT has to get his tactics right and he didn't.

I've suggested a team and formation that could see us win at Barnsley.Unfortuneately, I don't think he'll change it-bit like DW really and we'll loose.

Let's see-Hope I'm wrong :laugh:

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Impressive!

If City had  romped convincingly to a 5-0 win,then 4-3-3 would now be the best thing since 1966 and City are going to win the league.Thats the way it is.

Exactly.... Last year we beat Notts County 5-0 and we were awesome !! bound to walk the league ! a lot good that did.. still in this god awful division.. Personally we got a point - didn't lose, the manager admitted there's still loads of work to be done.

And as far as I'm aware you don't win the league on the first day of the season !

Imagine how the Sheff Weds fans feel this Monday morning!! :P

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Impressive!

One of the best rants I've seen in ages. :laugh: All true of course..

But you do have to remember one thing.Footie fans (no matter which club they support)always turn a disapointing game/result into anger and critism.Its universial.

If City had  romped convincingly to a 5-0 win,then 4-3-3 would now be the best thing since 1966 and City are going to win the league.Thats the way it is.

Very true, very true indeed. I do, of course, love all the moaning and unwarranted criticism really. There's nowt like an excuse for a good old rant, and there have been plenty of such excuses just lately! I mean, really, the 'Murray is past it' comments; can you believe it? Talk about hero-to-zero!

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I really hope Tinnion has stopped reading this forum; if not he must be questioning his decision to take the job on.  I just can't believe some of the #### stated on on here over the last few days.  A week ago, he was the great new hope, we were banging goals in (against lesser opposition in friendlies) and we were seemingly going to walk the league.

After ONE GAME, yes ONE GAME it's all change;

-Murray is past it;

-Lita (who everyone pleaded for last season) is a donkey;

-Gillespie (who we've only seen in friendlies for Gods sake!) must start cos he's mates with Orr which guarantees a good on-field partnership;

-Tinnion is tactically inept (4-3-3 is clearly a failure; we can all see that after one game) and out of the Wilson mould;

-Millen isn't animated enough, and arm-waving is a proven indicator of coaching credentials (why do so many hate Millen? What's he done wrong?);

-Twentyman is biased against City 'cos he's polite to Leroy Rosenior;

-The tannoy announcer is ####;

-The atmosphere is ####;

-The Williams is too boisterous;

-We need a target man in the Peacock mould (because we all loved hime last season!!!);

-Roberts should have come on earlier (now that's hilarious given all the stick he's given), etc etc etc.

Did you really expect Torquay to just show up and roll over?  It's the first game of the season dammit, they're bound to be up for it, and we've got a new team and new formation.  Give it some time and stop the sodding whinging!!!!

Oh, and another point (rant!).  Carey (who gave several years of decent service to us) is suddenly a traitor for showing the ambition to play at a higher level, and for wanting to earn more!!!!  Those few that think players only show up out of 'honour' should get real.  Would you stick with your job if another employer offered to increase your salary and improve your working conditions?  What if your chosen profession had a 'shelf life' of about 15 years max?  I don't think so.

I'm starting to miss the inane close-season 'what's your favourite colour/number?' postings.

End of rant.

Nice rant mate, totally agree with you.

Unfortunately, City fans have been disappointed so many times over

the last few years it doesn't take long for the temper to flair!!

One game is a bit extreme though!!

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I really hope Tinnion has stopped reading this forum; if not he must be questioning his decision to take the job on.  I just can't believe some of the #### stated on on here over the last few days.  A week ago, he was the great new hope, we were banging goals in (against lesser opposition in friendlies) and we were seemingly going to walk the league.

After ONE GAME, yes ONE GAME it's all change;

-Murray is past it;

-Lita (who everyone pleaded for last season) is a donkey;

-Gillespie (who we've only seen in friendlies for Gods sake!) must start cos he's mates with Orr which guarantees a good on-field partnership;

-Tinnion is tactically inept (4-3-3 is clearly a failure; we can all see that after one game) and out of the Wilson mould;

-Millen isn't animated enough, and arm-waving is a proven indicator of coaching credentials (why do so many hate Millen? What's he done wrong?);

-Twentyman is biased against City 'cos he's polite to Leroy Rosenior;

-The tannoy announcer is ####;

-The atmosphere is ####;

-The Williams is too boisterous;

-We need a target man in the Peacock mould (because we all loved hime last season!!!);

-Roberts should have come on earlier (now that's hilarious given all the stick he's given), etc etc etc.

Did you really expect Torquay to just show up and roll over?  It's the first game of the season dammit, they're bound to be up for it, and we've got a new team and new formation.  Give it some time and stop the sodding whinging!!!!

Oh, and another point (rant!).  Carey (who gave several years of decent service to us) is suddenly a traitor for showing the ambition to play at a higher level, and for wanting to earn more!!!!  Those few that think players only show up out of 'honour' should get real.  Would you stick with your job if another employer offered to increase your salary and improve your working conditions?  What if your chosen profession had a 'shelf life' of about 15 years max?  I don't think so.

I'm starting to miss the inane close-season 'what's your favourite colour/number?' postings.

End of rant.

I agree - I left Ashton Gate on saturday really ****** off - not because the performance/result wasn't quite what I'd expected or hoped for, but because of all the negative comments and whinging that was coming from a large section of the crowd. I agree that it wasn't the most promising of performances, I agree that some of the same problems from last season were still evident and I agree that if we play every game like that then we will not make too much impact on the league. But there is no point having a knee-jerk reaction to one game when we don't know how things will develop.

Admittedly, ten games from now there may be no improvement and minimal points in the bag, but until then I think it's unnecessary to start pointing fingers and making harsh judgements. Obviously, everyone has a right to voice their concerns and I too have some doubts based on Saturday's game but there is a proportion of fans who are writing off both City and Tinnion already. The first game means nothing - last season we won our opening match 5-0 which didn't exactly prove to be a fair indication of our progress for the rest of the year.

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Exactly.... Last year we beat Notts County 5-1 and we were awesome !! bound to walk the league !  a lot good that did.. still in this god awful division.. Personally we got a point - didn't lose, the manager admitted there's still loads of work to be done.

And as far as I'm aware you don't win the league on the first day of the season !

Imagine how the Sheff Weds fans feel this Monday morning!! :P

I think you'll find it was 5-0, wasnt it?

And my housemate's a Wednesday fan. He's not a happy bunny, but he's seen it all before.

BTW, Peacock apparently came on after 70 mins and had a shot cleared off the line.

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I agree - I left Ashton Gate on saturday really ****** off - not because the performance/result wasn't quite what I'd expected or hoped for, but because of all the negative comments and whinging that was coming from a large section of the crowd.  I agree that it wasn't the most promising of performances, I agree that some of the same problems from last season were still evident and I agree that if we play every game like that then we will not make too much impact on the league.  But there is no point having a knee-jerk reaction to one game when we don't know how things will develop. 

I was feeling exactly the same as you Rikku and voiced my anger at the muppets sat behind me. I just can't comprehend some people who turn up to watch city.

There are a lot of idiots on this forum as well.

We all know that we have to improve upon that performance but to judge tactics and player performances on that is just plain stupid!

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I was feeling exactly the same as you Rikku and voiced my anger at the muppets sat behind me. I just can't comprehend some people who turn up to watch city.

There are a lot of idiots on this forum as well.

We all know that we have to improve upon that performance but to judge tactics and player performances on that is just plain stupid!

When in your expert opinion should we start to complain? 10-15 games into the season ? when promotion is again out of our hands! Take off your red tinted glasses and actually watch what is being done on the pitch, dont let a love of City gloss over all the evident problems we have,.

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:@ fed up with the ranting and raving,Well I pay good money to watch City,and if that on saturday is a taste of thing's to come,you are going to have lot's of moaning,come on we were cr@p. :laugh:

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When in your expert opinion should we start to complain? 10-15 games into the season ? when promotion is again out of our hands! Take off your red tinted glasses and actually watch what is being done on the pitch, dont let a love of City gloss over all the evident problems we have,.

I don't have an expert opinion you pompous idiot!

The people around me were moaning before a ball was kicked!

What are all the evident problems? Do you include the fans maronic booing of the first game of the season that we drew as being one of these problems?

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When in your expert opinion should we start to complain? 10-15 games into the season ? when promotion is again out of our hands! Take off your red tinted glasses and actually watch what is being done on the pitch, dont let a love of City gloss over all the evident problems we have,.

I think you will find that in our last promotion season we had a poor start and were 19th or thereabouts by the end of October. City traditionally are slow starters, and I do think a sense of perspective is needed. A new team playing a new formation under a new manager will take time to gel, u can't expect miracles and it is only day one of the season. Personally I would take it easy, and look at where we are after say 10 games before rushing to judgement. For what it's worth I dont think we were that bad and on another day could have won the match 3-0. Keep the faith !

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When in your expert opinion should we start to complain? 10-15 games into the season ? when promotion is again out of our hands!

Since you've suggested it - yes, I think that 10 games would see us at a point where we can all make a fair and comprehensive judgement on our squad/management and tactics. I haven't got rose-tinted glasses on, I don't believe that promotion is going to be an easy task and I certainly don't think that we will achieve the ultimate goal if we're still putting in performances like saturday's after ten games.

Likewise, I don't think that the level of complaining, booing and jeering that I heard on Saturday was justified. People seem to have forgotten that not only was it the first game of the new season, but it was also the first competitive game under a new manager with new tactics, a new formation and several new players. I don't think that it's a huge catastrophe that it didn't all fall into place straight away. I know the pre-season friendlies acted as something of a trial period for Tinnion's new ideas and personnel, but we all knew the real test would come when the season started. OK, so we didn't pass the first test with flying colours, but surely we can allow for faults and problems in the early stages. I know there are a lot of people that would like to win the league by the end of September, but realistically it's not the end of the world if we don't get maximum points from our first few games. Right now we are still in a position to be optimistic.

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Well I pay good money to watch City

Okay, thanks, well that makes you a customer not a supporter and therefore your opinion is about as relevant as my opinion of Tesco's.

If Saturday was enough to make you moan then do us all a favour and save your good money for something else because we will be playing like that again.

I'm with ZooKeeper, I know we've always been blessed with more than our fair share of clueless whingeing fans, but quite frankly Saturday was laughable.

Anyone who booed or jeered at half-time or full-time really needs to get out more, though preferably not to Ashton Gate ever again thankyou very much.

It was the first competitive match of Brian Tinnion's tenure and playing in a new formation that was demonstrably effective in pre-season.

Tinman has made all the right noises and moves in the summer, but as with anyone in a new job, if he is going to succeed he needs support and encouragement.

Instead half the clowns at Ashton Gate give him the exact opposite. Surely some of you are intelligent enough to realise it is a learning process for him.

He will make errors of judgement as a rookie and he knows it. The measure of him and us as a team and club is if we can get over that and fight another day.

Clearly not if the cowardly feeble whingeing at 4.45pm on Saturday is anything to go by. I'm embarassed by some of the people who follow the same team as me.

If a bloke of eleven years loyal service can't be afforded even one match worth of patience then who on earth can? Some of our lot would have booed John Atyeo.

Yes, Saturday wasn't the memorable season opener they or we had hoped for, but now instead the abiding memory is of the frauds who call themselves supporters.

Olé

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Well....i knew there would be some people haveing a good old moan, its all they do, kinda sad and pathetic i reckon.

Its one game and already we have been religated by some.

GIVE THE BOYS A CHANCE YOU INPATIENT DICKS!

I really feel some people would prefer if we didnt get up this season, just so thery can say they were right, for those people.....geta life.

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I have not heard one person say, without jest, that Tinnion should be sacked. Nor have I heard anyone say we're going to stay down, based on yesterday's performance and result anyway.

The critism, as Bristol Boy states, towards our performance is all constructive and mostly valid. Nobody has really over-reacted, we've just stated our concerns and suggested how our mistakes can be corrected. Tins will be judged on how he reacts to his mistakes in my mind.

On this basis, while much of your sentiment is true, much of it is not.

Edit: Atroshus speeling.

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I have not heard one person say, without jest, that Tinnion should be sacked. Nor have I heard anyone say we're going to stay down, based on yesterday's performance and result anyway.

The critism, as Bristol Boy states, towards our performance is all constructive and mostly valid. Nobody has really over-reacted, we've just stated our concerns and suggested how our mistakes can be corrected. Tins will be judged on how he reacts to his mistakes in my mind.

On this basis, while much of your sentiment is true, much of it is not.

Edit: Atroshus speeling.

Booing isn't constructive.

Many of the comments on here want changes, to the formation and personel, with a formed opinion after one competitive game. I wouldn't necessarily say that was an over reaction more a premature one.

Was it that concerning a game or did everyone really think we would walk this division just by turning up?

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I have not heard one person say, without jest, that Tinnion should be sacked. Nor have I heard anyone say we're going to stay down, based on yesterday's performance and result anyway.

The critism, as Bristol Boy states, towards our performance is all constructive and mostly valid. Nobody has really over-reacted, we've just stated our concerns and suggested how our mistakes can be corrected. Tins will be judged on how he reacts to his mistakes in my mind.

On this basis, while much of your sentiment is true, much of it is not.

Edit: Atroshus speeling.

'All constructive'; What, like claiming 4-3-3 is a failure on the basis of one competitive game, when, as stated elsewhere, pre-season suggested otherwise. The reality is that a considerable amount of the criticism posted here towards Saturday's performance is knee-jerk and unwarranted. Give 'em time to bed in!!!

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I have not heard one person say, without jest, that Tinnion should be sacked. Nor have I heard anyone say we're going to stay down, based on yesterday's performance and result anyway.

The critism, as Bristol Boy states, towards our performance is all constructive and mostly valid. Nobody has really over-reacted, we've just stated our concerns and suggested how our mistakes can be corrected. Tins will be judged on how he reacts to his mistakes in my mind.

On this basis, while much of your sentiment is true, much of it is not.

Edit: Atroshus speeling.

To be fair, I don't think that anyone has a problem with constructive criticism or people identifying where we struggled. I think that's fair enough and I made similar comments and observations after the game. But, although you may not have heard the booing or the ranting or the slatings, I certainly did and I can assure it was not sarcastic or said in jest. Friends of mine who sit in other parts of the ground also reported the same attitude from their area as well. I always expected there would be some kind of backlash if the first game didn't go exactly to plan, but I didn't expect to hear the over-the-top condemnations that a lot of people were voicing.

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All I've read has been constructive.

But then I know which posters to read and which posters not to bother with. Maybe that's the key.

And booing can be constructive, but in the yesterday's circumstances, it most certainly wasn't.

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And booing can be constructive, but in the yesterday's circumstances, it most certainly wasn't.

Constructive as in serving to improve or advance, helpful?

I guess you can argue that it tells players they have had a bad game, but I think they usually know that.

I would say it is constructive if you tell people how they are going wrong not just that they are going wrong.

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Constructive as in serving to improve or advance, helpful?

I guess you can argue that it tells players they have had a bad game, but I think they usually know that.

I would say it is constructive if you tell people how they are going wrong not just that they are going wrong.

For example, when you're being embarrassed by a poor Wycombe side at the Adams Stadium (or whatever they call it now) and your team are playing woefully with little desire or passion, booing is merited by the away fans that have made the effort to travel to support the team. And when the encouraging vocal support is treated to a gutless performance, the fans are right to voice their disspleasure. The players should be proffesional enough to respond to that booing and prove a point, rather than sulk about it.

A lack of skill shouldn't be booed. A lack of effort, in my opinion, should. And lack of effort wasn't our problem on Saturday.

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For example, when you're being embarrassed by a poor Wycombe side at the Adams Stadium (or whatever they call it now) and your team are playing woefully with little desire or passion, booing is merited by the away fans that have made the effort to travel to support the team. And when the encouraging vocal support is treated to a gutless performance, the fans are right to voice their disspleasure. The players should be proffesional enough to respond to that booing and prove a point, rather than sulk about it.

A lack of skill shouldn't be booed. A lack of effort, in my opinion, should. And lack of effort wasn't our problem on Saturday.

I guess I'm more of a glass half full type of guy and respond better when people don't critise me.

I understand where you are coming from with the lack of effort booing. I'm more willing for people to shout and scream encouragement to get the players to lift themselves rather than booing.

I guess that the players get used to taking the rough with the smooth. They get applause when they do well and should expect boos when they do badly. I just don't think it is a motivating factor for them.

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I guess I'm more of a glass half full type of guy and respond better when people don't critise me.

I understand where you are coming from with the lack of effort booing. I'm more willing for people to shout and scream encouragement to get the players to lift themselves rather than booing.

I guess that the players get used to taking the rough with the smooth. They get applause when they do well and should expect boos when they do badly. I just don't think it is a motivating factor for them.

I don't dissagree that positive encouragement is the best form, far from it. As someone that is very much involved with the vocal element of our away support everywhere, it frustrates us when people infact travel miles and miles to sit in silence and only pipe up once we score.

On the same token, I don't boo when things are going badly either. I can just see why people do it, and at times I don't think it's a bad thing.

More than anything else, I feel Saturday was just a stark reminder to everyone that thought otherwise that this season is going to be a very long and frustrating one, as they always are.

Let's hope we just get the happy ending this time around.

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