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j1974

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1 minute ago, Leveller said:

No point in criticising strikers until the lot behind them can create chances.

I do get your point about creating more chances but our strikers cannot stretch an elastic band at the moment as we have no pace! I often watch our strikers movement and it's fairly static, if we are playing Martin then you have to have plenty of pace alongside and on the flanks, we don't currently. 

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steviestevieneville

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15 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

That’s exactly my worry - that the game has moved on.  I have no problem with anyone who wants to keep him on, but until we get not just one home win, but four or five home wins, then time will appear to be running out.  At what point to you bite the bullet and make a change?  We can all see the cracks, but how much wider must they get?

I notice you still haven’t answered my question . Is it possibly because you haven’t got a clue what you’re on about ? 

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Numero Uno

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3 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Hmm, we do look like a bottom half side lately don't we?

I appreciate West Brom should be up there but today was a West Brom side that were low on confidence.

Not good.

We're a bottom 8 side........as long as we finish at the top end of that league it's mission accomplished for this season. Grim but true.

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City1970

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Just now, JamesBCFC said:

Of course it does.

 

Go take a swim in some concrete boots.

If you watch the games you will see our strikers miss countless sitters. I agree the service could be better, but when the chances come, our strikers miss sitters. Scott against forest is prime example.

Forget about giving abuse to people who have a different view and concentrate on valid debates. 

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Merrick's Marvels

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52 minutes ago, collier said:

I am comparing other championship clubs. How is that not relevant? 

In case it's escaped your attention, the trajectory of our club over the last year has been one massive downward spiral. A downward spiral like no other club in the entire Football League. No-one needs to know the inner workings of Millwall, Luton and Swansea to see that they are not on a similar downward spiral, nothing like it in fact. If you can't work that out, you need help. 

Derby? Derby are better than us, a fact that strengthens my argument not weakens it.

Derby have earned 17 points this season and only sit bottom thanks to a points deduction that has nothing to do with how their team is actually performing. If you can't work that out you're beyond help.

Seriously, losing badly at West Brom isn't the day to be throwing your toys out of the pram. 

Lose badly at home to Barnsley on the other hand and I might just join you.

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054123

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9 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

I accept that he has put a hell of a lot of hos own personal money into the club and we should be grateful for that. He has achieved a stadium re-build and training ground that is a fantastic facility in terms of his "bricks and mortar" performance. In terms of his football performance he has achieved a play off final, a cup semi-final and some lower league trophies but has also overseen literally seasons now of football that makes you wonder whether you really should be spending money on renewal the following season - it's not a great return for the outlay. I lost it with him when he replaced Johnson with Holden and when he started trying to explain to me what a great bloke Swiss Tony was. We now know where Steve is with the club and it isn't pretty.

It’s a difficult conversation isn’t it?

Are you a good parent because you buy expensive gifts? 

Is it actually a more nuanced conversation about the footballing decisions and opportunities encountered over the last 20 years?

Its too easy to simply say, ‘we could be Rovers’, true but we could have also been one of the many other clubs who have experienced far more success than ourselves.

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Leveller

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1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said:

I notice you still haven’t answered my question . Is it possibly because you haven’t got a clue what you’re on about ? 

There’s admittedly no point in sacking Pearson - he may as well be given time to see what he can do. However, it’s difficult to see why he’s still getting the hero treatment when he has made almost no progress in improving performances after the best part of a year.

Oddly, Dean Holden still gets virtually zero understanding, despite having been dealt almost the same hand and doing no worse.

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City1970

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Just now, JamesBCFC said:

I only debate with people who aren't a waste of oxygen. 

You actively sought an argument, you got one.

I didn’t sought an argument, I said our strikers miss sitters.

Lets leave it there. I am an experienced City supporter and you are someone who don’t like different views to your own.

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lenred

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1 minute ago, 054123 said:

It’s a difficult conversation isn’t it?

Are you a good parent because you buy expensive gifts? 

Is it actually a more nuanced conversation about the footballing decisions and opportunities encountered over the last 20 years?

Its too easy to simply say, ‘we could be Rovers’, true but we could have also been one of the many other clubs who have experienced far more success than ourselves.

With the money spent we should be Brighton currently playing the champions love on Sky at the top of the Prem.  Or we should have at least been in a similar position at least once or twice over the years   Criminal the money wasted here and the ‘leadership’ of Ashton especially.  

 

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Clevedon Red

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3 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

Getting outclassed by West Brom and Bournemouth will not define our season but how well we recover from this week may well do.

Two big games next Barnsley and Birmingham. Teams that are currently below us so it’s these results we should be looking at not those against prem teams.

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LondonBristolian

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6 minutes ago, 054123 said:

Completely agree.

Anything other than a win on Saturday and it will really compound the issue.

Indeed.

One strength LJ had was that - apart from that absurd losing streak - he generally had the ability to scrape out a win at the exact moment the fans’ patience was exhausted. That was a bad thing in some ways as it meant he stayed longer than was good for him or us but Pearson needs to find a way to do the same.

There is only so long reputation and improved early season performances can stave off the angry mob…

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Red-Robbo

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4 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

Getting outclassed by West Brom and Bournemouth will not define our season but how well we recover from this week may well do.

 

Barnsley will be very interesting.

And we have a decent chance of putting in the performance of the season seeing as I won't be there to see it. :laughcont:

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lenred

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3 minutes ago, Clevedon Red said:

We need 2 performances really ?

Yep hopefully one follows the other.  But feel a home win is more important and would very much settle many peoples nerves. I don’t care where we get the points but understand why many do. 

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steviestevieneville

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2 minutes ago, Leveller said:

There’s admittedly no point in sacking Pearson - he may as well be given time to see what he can do. However, it’s difficult to see why he’s still getting the hero treatment when he has made almost no progress in improving performances after the best part of a year.

Oddly, Dean Holden still gets virtually zero understanding, despite having been dealt almost the same hand and doing no worse.

Forget last season. I don’t think anyone would of turned that around . A perfect storm of terrible management off the pitch by Ashton which was allowed to happen by Lansdown. Three years of selling our best players & replacing with dross yet increasing the wage bill is laughable. Then having 12-13 players OOC with no sell on value is abysmal . Topped off by publicly saying fam had a very good contract put under his nose & the rest of them hadn’t . How do you think that went down in the dressing room. Plus the injuries. 
He has to be judged on this season only imo & has a huge job ahead of him.  He has at least 5 players who are league one level if not more & the money is not there at the moment. We have to stay up . That would be success this season . Followed by another clear out in the summer. 

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Dan Robin

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Some OK moments in the second half, but the third goal (Simpson ? ) killed the game.

Not happy, but I was far more disappointed by Tuesday's footballing suicide: today's KO is mire acceptable (and was predictable, given the difference in strenght and injuries). 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Forget last season. I don’t think anyone would of turned that around . A perfect storm of terrible management off the pitch by Ashton which was allowed to happen by Lansdown. Three years of selling our best players & replacing with dross yet increasing the wage bill is laughable. Then having 12-13 players OOC with no sell on value is abysmal . Topped off by publicly saying fam had a very good contract put under his nose & the rest of them hadn’t . How do you think that went down in the dressing room. Plus the injuries. 
He has to be judged on this season only imo & has a huge job ahead of him.  He has at least 5 players who are league one level if not more & the money is not there at the moment. We have to stay up . That would be success this season . Followed by another clear out in the summer. 

Relegation would be a financial disaster for the club - we simply have to stay up 

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maxjak

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1 hour ago, BasSavage88 said:

Litterally anyone ATM. Anyone defending Pearson is a ******* idiot 

Litterally anyone ATM. Anyone defending Pearson is a ******* idiot 

You misguided a unrealistic are kneejerk fool................please arrange as you see fit?  It will give a 15 minute break from spouting?

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18 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

In case it's escaped your attention, the trajectory of our club over the last year has been one massive downward spiral. A downward spiral like no other club in the entire Football League. No-one needs to know the inner workings of Millwall, Luton and Swansea to see that they are not on a similar downward spiral, nothing like it in fact. If you can't work that out, you need help. 

t.Derby? Derby are better than us, a fact that strengthens my argument not weakens i

Derby have earned 17 points this season and only sit bottom thanks to a points deduction that has nothing to do with how their team is actually performing. If you can't work that out  your beyond help.

Seriously, losing badly at West Brom isn't the day to be throwing your toys out of the pram. 

Derby are better than as a club and in a better position as a club ok I won't bother to reply anymore. A club in administration with points deducted who didn't pay their players and had the manager paying for hotels on away trips. Yea no intelligent discussion to be had here.

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Br1stolCityBoy

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14 minutes ago, lenred said:

And who are these mythical figures passing you these ‘messages’?  I think you’re lying.  Happy for you to prove otherwise.  

 

Can’t say mate. But it’s a good source. Perhaps the coaches leaving has something to do with it as well! All I know for sure is twice this season NP has has chosen his team and has substituted youngsters early including today. Perhaps the manager should give himself a bloody good shake!

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Red Exile

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27 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Indeed.

One strength LJ had was that - apart from that absurd losing streak - he generally had the ability to scrape out a win at the exact moment the fans’ patience was exhausted. That was a bad thing in some ways as it meant he stayed longer than was good for him or us but Pearson needs to find a way to do the same.

There is only so long reputation and improved early season performances can stave off the angry mob…

The problem we had with LJ was surely that the fan's patience had no bearing on whether he stayed or went! A more ruthless owner wanting promotion instead of vindication would have ditched LJ after that terrible run following the Wolves defeat. The writing was on the wall. How different things could have been.

I suspect the same will be true of Pearson. The fans reaction will have little bearing on Lansdown. Then again Pearson isn't his boy wonder...

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Loosey Boy

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Let’s be honest, very few expected us to get anything from today’s game.

The important game was always going to be next Saturday….my biggest fear is that Barnsley will sack their manager after tomorrow and then they will head to Ashton Gate next Saturday with a new manager in charge and the famous “new manager bounce” ?‍♂️

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1 minute ago, Br1stolCityBoy said:

Can’t say mate. But it’s a good source. Perhaps the coaches leaving has something to do with it as well! All I know for sure is twice this season NP has has chosen his team and has substituted youngsters early including today. Perhaps the manager should give himself a bloody good shake!

Think the writing has been on the well for the coaches since NP took over.  Just needed to get his own men in which he has done with Curtis. Early substitutions, whilst I don’t like them I must admit, may have context.  I await to see what he says when asked but maybe an injury, niggle, or just tactical. Agree Simpson though is not a great replacement.  Regardless though the fact of the matter is we were left up shit creak by that ***t Ashton and we now have to rebuild which includes staying up this year, nothing more.  

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11 minutes ago, collier said:

Derby are better than as a club and in a better position as a club ok I won't bother to reply anymore. A club in administration with points deducted who didn't pay their players and had the manager paying for hotels on away trips. Yea no intelligent discussion to be had here.

You are right about the overall picture of course but it has to be said that Rooney is doing a remarkable job in more difficult circumstances than Nigel faces. Would that we were as hard to score against as Rooney has made Derby for instance.

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2 minutes ago, chinapig said:

You are right about the overall picture of course but it has to be said that Rooney is doing a remarkable job in more difficult circumstances than Nigel faces. Would that we were as hard to score against as Rooney has made Derby for instance.

Imagine if WRDC finished above us this season…..:facepalm:

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Merrick's Marvels

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17 minutes ago, collier said:

Derby are better than as a club and in a better position as a club ok I won't bother to reply anymore. A club in administration with points deducted who didn't pay their players and had the manager paying for hotels on away trips. Yea no intelligent discussion to be had here.

We're talking about what their team, as opposed to our team, has achieved on the field of play!! 

A point perfectly obvious, I would have thought  from my previous post.

Enjoy the rest of your angry evening. 

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B******s, b******s and thrice b******s.

Did anyone, hand on heart, anticipate anything other than a comprehensive defeat this afternoon? I didn’t.

Cast your mind back two seasons when we were on the wrong end of a similar hiding at the Hawthorns as LJ’s stock began to plummet big style - progress since then has been negligible.

We’ve too many distinctly ordinary players, too many promising but raw youngsters who lack the experience to rumble with the big boys at this level, and a coach who increasingly doesn’t seem to know how to set us up.

The number of stupid errors, lapses in concentration and, of course, amateurish inability to see out a game is getting extremely tedious. And that Nathan Baker must be made of Waterford Crystal.

I’m not out of patience with NP, largely because burning through managers eventually saw us go down last time, but his tenure has been deeply underwhelming on the whole. Perhaps I’m still smarting from that horrendous collapse in midweek, but it all feels pretty ominous I’m afraid. :(

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58 minutes ago, City1970 said:

This is a forum to discuss City, not just this match. Weimann, Martin and Wells have missed countless sitters this season.

I will ignore the childish rant.

All forwards miss sitters sometimes, Martin and Weimann had four apiece before today so on track for 15 at the end of the season. Main problem is the scarcity of goals from midfield and defence.

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The old boy looked ok when they took him away thankfully.

Massive respect to the young lady who made her way up the stand to help out as well. I presume she was a doctor or whatnot, but she took charge until the paramedics came up.

 

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23 minutes ago, chinapig said:

You are right about the overall picture of course but it has to be said that Rooney is doing a remarkable job in more difficult circumstances than Nigel faces. Would that we were as hard to score against as Rooney has made Derby for instance.

I don't disagree with that and your right but I won't have people telling me Derby this season are a better all round club and that we should expect us to put up less of a fight against the big teams because of terrible management from a previous tenure. I have never been on NP out but this guy trying to tell me we should expect to be worse than Luton and Derby, do me a favour!!

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6 minutes ago, pl00peh91 said:

Wasn’t particularly happy with our away fans at the metro station after the game today, some of them squaring up to the WBA fans and some punches thrown despite families being stood nearby. The people involved barely had half a brain cell combined unfortunately.

But the CSF hate racists and nonces so they are all thoroughly nice blokes! ?

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22 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

We're talking about what their team, as opposed to our team, has achieved on the field of play!! 

A point perfectly obvious, I would have thought  from my previous post.

Enjoy the rest of your angry evening. 

Rooney's Derby have been left in a much worse position on and off the field by previous management than NP has at City.

 

Please explain then how they have accrued more point's than us this season? Your point being about on field play supposedly. They never even had enough players to field a team before the season started but grabbed any old free they could. We started the season with more than enough to field a first team and some, we brought in an experienced manager they have Rooney who was still playing a few years ago and had 0 managerial experience. Putting all that together why should we expect to be (minus their points deduction) in a worse position than them after 1/3 of the season?

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4 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Just let the bloke get on with his job and accept that we’re not one of the big teams in this league.

Anyone who says there is no progress since he took over is lying. 

Had the team not folded against Forest then we’d be saying we’re nowhere West Brom’s level and to move on. 

I do agree his hands are tied to an extent, but we should be doing much, much better than we are under a manager of his pedigree.

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