Bakinson MOM?

[Nuno Gomes]

According to Sky anyway. I agree he had a better game but above Scott, Benarous, Kalas, COD?  Think they were expecting to give it to a Stoke player and panicked last minute!

[Redstart]

Sky bottled it and just gave it to the goalscorer. 

[Selred]

Should of been Benarous. 

[GrahamC]

He did ok, but that is bizarre.

Presumably Goodman was concentrating on Stoke so gave it to him because we won & he scored the goal?

Absolutely loads of better performances than his for us.

[Kodjias Wrist]

2 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

He did ok, but that is bizarre.

Presumably Goodman was concentrating on Stoke so gave it to him because we won & he scored the goal?

Absolutely loads of better performances than his for us.

Yeah i thought Tymon would get it by all the praise he was getting. But i thought Bakinson showed a lot more grit and got stuck in more than I have seen. Maybe i just noticed him more as he was pretty big compared to their midfield. For me it was Scott but very close between him and Benarous.

[BCFCGav]

Don’t begrudge him it whatsoever, he was useful in possession when we were struggling to break out, and of course scored the winner.

Kalas for me though, just.

[richwwtk]

Were we the live match last night? Didn't even realise, might have recorded it if I had!

[Port Said Red]

I think there are many ways to be the best player. Last night and on Saturday, Bakinson's positional play in defence was better than I have ever seen him play. Rather than following the "**** 'em up get into 'em" chant from those who don't really understand how defending works, he worked with the others to cut down options and showed a lot of patience to stay in the shape.

[The Fat Controller]

17 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I think there are many ways to be the best player. Last night and on Saturday, Bakinson's positional play in defence was better than I have ever seen him play. Rather than following the "**** 'em up get into 'em" chant from those who don't really understand how defending works, he worked with the others to cut down options and showed a lot of patience to stay in the shape.

I think his positional discipline has noticeably improved over the last few games. He seemed to have a better understanding last night of when to hold and when to go. He drove us forward with the ball a few times as well.

Maybe others were more deserving but I think he did very well last night.

[Davefevs]

57 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I think there are many ways to be the best player. Last night and on Saturday, Bakinson's positional play in defence was better than I have ever seen him play. Rather than following the "**** 'em up get into 'em" chant from those who don't really understand how defending works, he worked with the others to cut down options and showed a lot of patience to stay in the shape.

So true, and as the senior midfielder with Han (20) and Ayman (18) he held the centre well after Williams went off.

There were times last night where we got it really right and Stoke tried to force the killer pass and gave it away.  Good to see, especially with such a young side out.

[Rossi the Robin]

It doesn’t matter, will do his confidence no harm at all

[TheReds]

I was surprised, but also sort of glad he got it, he has had a lot of stick (some rightfully so), and been a scapegoat for many when things don't come off, even though he has tried to do certain things. His positional play was definitely better and he was constantly looking around a lot more to get himself right. He seemed to be buzzing after getting it, and as above it won't do him any harm.

Hopefully the likes of Benarous and Scott will get one sooner or later.

[Davefevs]

He interviewed pretty well on Sky also.

[Daniro]

8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

So true, and as the senior midfielder with Han (20) and Ayman (18) he held the centre well after Williams went off.

There were times last night where we got it really right and Stoke tried to force the killer pass and gave it away.  Good to see, especially with such a young side out.

Agree!   I was convinced that we'd concede when Williams went off - he's such a positive influence on our game.   But we didn't collapse and Baki does get a lot of credit for that.   HNM was a powerhouse - really got stuck in - albeit a bit too hard at times and needs a bit more refinement!

[Shuffle]

Had a dreadful first 30 mins but confidence soared after goal. Not a fan but credit where it’s due, he was incredibly disciplined and helped see us over the line.  Hopefully he can take that forward as if he’s successful we are all going to be happy.

[Davefevs]

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

17 minutes ago, Shuffle said:

Had a dreadful first 30 mins but confidence soared after goal. Not a fan but credit where it’s due, he was incredibly disciplined and helped see us over the line.  Hopefully he can take that forward as if he’s successful we are all going to be happy.

No he didn’t.  Far from dreadful.  The whole team struggled for the first thirty minutes, but if anyone was dreadful it was Williams.  Bakinson was decent throughout.

[Dastardly and Muttley]

26 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

No he didn’t.  Far from dreadful.  The whole team struggled for the first thirty minutes, but if anyone was dreadful it was Williams.  Bakinson was decent throughout.

Williams made a brilliant through pass to the striker in the first 30 mins.

Just a shame it was their striker.

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, Shuffle said:

Had a dreadful first 30 mins but confidence soared after goal. Not a fan but credit where it’s due, he was incredibly disciplined and helped see us over the line.  Hopefully he can take that forward as if he’s successful we are all going to be happy.

He’s such a mad player.

Immediately after he scored he played a through ball that even Glenn Hoddle would have been proud of, a superb first time, long flighted pass over the head of a defender perfectly into Weimann’s stride.

The absolute definition of a confidence player & totally agree that whilst there is still room for improvement (how can you possibly be so poor in the air at 6ft 3?) his positional play is definitely improving.

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

He’s such a mad player.

Immediately after he scored he played a through ball that even Glenn Hoddle would have been proud of, a superb first time, long flighted pass over the head of a defender perfectly into Weimann’s stride.

The absolute definition of a confidence player & totally agree that whilst there is still room for improvement (how can you possibly be so poor in the air at 6ft 3?) his positional play is definitely improving.

Last night he had 3 shots:

1. header at the back post 5 mins before he scored - cross from Williams from right centre - tame header on target
2. the goal
3. a volley over at start of second half from another long throw

Adding a bit of a different dimension to his game.  For Champ CM / AM > 500 mins, he’s in the top 20 shots per 90 mins.

[FNQ]

20 hours ago, richwwtk said:

Were we the live match last night? Didn't even realise, might have recorded it if I had!

Keep up..

[GrahamC]

8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Last night he had 3 shots:

1. header at the back post 5 mins before he scored - cross from Williams from right centre - tame header on target
2. the goal
3. a volley over at start of second half from another long throw

Adding a bit of a different dimension to his game.  For Champ CM / AM > 500 mins, he’s in the top 20 shots per 90 mins.

Nige said afterwards he was our third top scorer last season (though only with 4), as the goals at Wycombe & Sheff Wed showed, unlike the rest of our midfielders (bar possibly King, though his Leicester pomp is clearly a memory now) he is a threat.

When you add in his undoubted technical ability, range of passing, height & potential to do the defensive bits as recent displays have showed, he could be some player.

All down to him now.

[Davefevs]

@JonDolmanwe hold a year option too.  In T’s case, his age and therefore wage would be at a level where exercising that option would be a no-brainer and you wouldn’t need to negotiate down like Weimann for example.  Having said that if he is putting the right level of performance in, you might want to try to extend.

@GrahamC if Nige’s comments are true, and the penny has dropped, that is a good sign.  Up to him now.  Will be watching carefully to see if we get the customary Tyreeq level-off and decline.  Bar the opening 15 minutes on Wednesday where he struggled (as did the team) I thought he defended the area in front of the CBs pretty well.  There was a shot (Allen I think) where Joe Williams closed down from further away initially than Tyreeq, but I don’t recall any other occasion where I thought he didn’t do his job.  Plus very mature last half hour when playing the anchor to our 20 and 18 year old midfield partners!

If Nige can get a tune out of him (and Callum too) that’s a big plus.

I liked his Sky interview too.

[Offside]

I thought Bakinson played well (but not MOM).

We are in really interesting times. Gone are the days of spending money frivolously, and NP is having you use and develop what he’s got. Fans will get behind young players if we see them giving their all, and that’s what happened on Tues. 

[Gazred]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

@JonDolmanwe hold a year option too.  In T’s case, his age and therefore wage would be at a level where exercising that option would be a no-brainer and you wouldn’t need to negotiate down like Weimann for example.  Having said that if he is putting the right level of performance in, you might want to try to extend.

@GrahamC if Nige’s comments are true, and the penny has dropped, that is a good sign.  Up to him now.  Will be watching carefully to see if we get the customary Tyreeq level-off and decline.  Bar the opening 15 minutes on Wednesday where he struggled (as did the team) I thought he defended the area in front of the CBs pretty well.  There was a shot (Allen I think) where Joe Williams closed down from further away initially than Tyreeq, but I don’t recall any other occasion where I thought he didn’t do his job.  Plus very mature last half hour when playing the anchor to our 20 and 18 year old midfield partners!

If Nige can get a tune out of him (and Callum too) that’s a big plus.

I liked his Sky interview too.

 

32 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Ahh great didn't know that. I guess that will be triggered as it won't be like the Baker, Weimann situation that he's on more than what we can afford.

Its been triggered! 

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/city-take-up-bakinson-option/

[Davefevs]

8 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

They were listening to you @JonDolman

Haha, what timing!

[exAtyeoMax]

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/city-take-up-bakinson-option/

I know it's already been linked but I didn't want it to get lost in the thread!

Nige obviously has faith in him, I do too! Well done, Ty.

I've really enjoyed watching him play, he adds something different, a welcome addition to midfield!

[The Journalist]

15 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I posted this two months ago:

He’ll be in League One this time next year without a significant mentality shift IMO.

Which, by the way, would be a huge, huge waste of natural ability.

Seems we might be getting there?

[Davefevs]

32 minutes ago, The Journalist said:

I posted this two months ago:

He’ll be in League One this time next year without a significant mentality shift IMO.

Which, by the way, would be a huge, huge waste of natural ability.

Seems we might be getting there?

More on T today:

[Mr Popodopolous]

Dunno about MOM but contract extension feels deserved.

Stats alone show he is improving out of possession- Wednesday 4 Clearances, 1 Tackle and Dribbled Past once. Still a way to go but definitely moving forward.

[ExiledAjax]

5 hours ago, Davefevs said:

More on T today:

So tactical awareness and flexibility. Once read a bit that this kind of thing, an ability to change how you play in a certain match in order to it the needs of that particular opponent, is huge (especially in midfielders) and was/is prized by all the great managers. Totally fair to say you can't expect someone to get in one go as well. This is what player development looks like. Congrats to the kid.

[Davefevs]

7 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

So tactical awareness and flexibility. Once read a bit that this kind of thing, an ability to change how you play in a certain match in order to it the needs of that particular opponent, is huge (especially in midfielders) and was/is prized by all the great managers. Totally fair to say you can't expect someone to get in one go as well. This is what player development looks like. Congrats to the kid.

There’s a bit in his interview where he talks about learning the defensive bits and pieces too.

[Better Red]

Why?

Clearly a player that won’t get anywhere the first team next season.

League 1 player.

Never put in the effort for this level.

Scored a goal in the week but that’s it.

Gives the ball away to much, never gets a tackle in. Does not track back. Lacks effort.

We have all said it week in week out and that’s because it’s what we see week in week out when he plays.

Score a goal and all of a sudden he’s contract renewed and people are saying he is a half decent player.

Look at Scott and Beneraus as a bench mark - effort, skill, tracking back, tackling… He is no where near them.

Compare him to Williams - No where near him.

Compare to James - No where near him

Reality check please.

Should have been to moving him on in the summer.  

 

 

[Bodiesaffer]

14 hours ago, Better Red said:

Why?

Clearly a player that won’t get anywhere the first team next season.

League 1 player.

Never put in the effort for this level.

Scored a goal in the week but that’s it.

Gives the ball away to much, never gets a tackle in. Does not track back. Lacks effort.

We have all said it week in week out and that’s because it’s what we see week in week out when he plays.

Score a goal and all of a sudden he’s contract renewed and people are saying he is a half decent player.

Look at Scott and Beneraus as a bench mark - effort, skill, tracking back, tackling… He is no where near them.

Compare him to Williams - No where near him.

Compare to James - No where near him

Reality check please.

Should have been to moving him on in the summer.  

 

 

I disagree, has skill and is talented. Just needs to learn the defense side of playing central. Wasn’t having a very good game up to his goal, much improved second half. He is improving  with the side of the game he’s not good at. He’s improving and Nigel thinks he’s got the ability to get it right. We don’t need negativity. 

[TheReds]

15 hours ago, Better Red said:

Why?

Clearly a player that won’t get anywhere the first team next season.

League 1 player.

Never put in the effort for this level.

Scored a goal in the week but that’s it.

Gives the ball away to much, never gets a tackle in. Does not track back. Lacks effort.

We have all said it week in week out and that’s because it’s what we see week in week out when he plays.

Score a goal and all of a sudden he’s contract renewed and people are saying he is a half decent player.

Look at Scott and Beneraus as a bench mark - effort, skill, tracking back, tackling… He is no where near them.

Compare him to Williams - No where near him.

Compare to James - No where near him

Reality check please.

Should have been to moving him on in the summer.  

 

 

Disagree. He has plenty of ability, I will agree he gives the ball away, but at least he is trying to make something happen on many occasions. He has got better at different parts of his game, and if Pearson can see that then that is good enough for me.  As for he is "nowhere near James or Williams", who said he was. I reckon Williams and James are big players for us - but how often have they been available? Scott and Benarous are different types of players aren't they.

[Better Red]

15 minutes ago, TheReds said:

Disagree. He has plenty of ability, I will agree he gives the ball away, but at least he is trying to make something happen on many occasions. He has got better at different parts of his game, and if Pearson can see that then that is good enough for me.  As for he is "nowhere near James or Williams", who said he was. I reckon Williams and James are big players for us - but how often have they been available? Scott and Benarous are different types of players aren't they.

He needs to be ‘near’ Williams and James as they are the current bench mark.

Agree both not fit enough that’s why we need to get one more midfielder who can compete with those two.

Can he compete - No.

Can he improve - No.

Watched enough of him to know he does not come up to scratch and he never will.

Simple if he plays are we weaker ? - Yes

League 1 player - get rid

 

[Better Red]

1 hour ago, Bodiesaffer said:

I disagree, has skill and is talented. Just needs to learn the defense side of playing central. Wasn’t having a very good game up to his goal, much improved second half. He is improving  with the side of the game he’s not good at. He’s improving and Nigel thinks he’s got the ability to get it right. We don’t need negativity. 

Reality not negativity.

Type of player who will get us relegated to League 1 coincidentally he’s level

[Davefevs]

Always cracks me up when people say things like “League One Player”, when a player has played so many games at this level, e.g. Vyner 100, Bakinson 50, etc.

They might not be top drawer, but if we look where we are, are they so far out of place?  A squad is a squad for a reason, not everyone can be a guaranteed starter every week, not everyone can be the best player, and therefore there are always gonna be a range of abilities across the squad.  And even the good players have bouts of poor form.

Just find it all a bit derogatory.

 

 

[sh1t_ref_again]

41 minutes ago, Better Red said:

He needs to be ‘near’ Williams and James as they are the current bench mark.

Agree both not fit enough that’s why we need to get one more midfielder who can compete with those two.

Can he compete - No.

Can he improve - No.

Watched enough of him to know he does not come up to scratch and he never will.

Simple if he plays are we weaker ? - Yes

League 1 player - get rid

 

He is a different type of player to Williams and James and already as good or maybe better than either of them at picking a pass or moving the ball off quickly with his 1st touch as his awareness is fantastic. Its also why he gives the ball away more as he is the one trying to hit the forward pass of the quick ball, rather than just a safe sidewards or back.

I have never moaned about TB even when the has poor games as can see a future very good player, he has recognised himself he needs to improve certain aspects of his game and still has a way to go to realise his potential. Just a shame a few who have liked to scapegoat him and Odowda have to keep on talking sh1t even when they are playing well

[Bodiesaffer]

41 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Reality not negativity.

Type of player who will get us relegated to League 1 coincidentally he’s level

The reality is, he’s improved. Still at a good age where he’s nowhere near his prime.  Yes he has his faults like lots of players.  He knows what part of his game needs improving and is willing to put it the hard work, not just for himself but the team. 
 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

He is a different type of player to Williams and James and already as good or maybe better than either of them at picking a pass or moving the ball off quickly with his 1st touch as his awareness is fantastic. Its also why he gives the ball away more as he is the one trying to hit the forward pass of the quick ball, rather than just a safe sidewards or back.

I have never moaned about TB even when the has poor games as can see a future very good player, he has recognised himself he needs to improve certain aspects of his game and still has a way to go to realise his potential. Just a shame a few who have liked to scapegoat him and Odowda have to keep on talking sh1t even when they are playing well

Think it’s fine to be critical when any player isn’t playing well, as long as you recognise when they are playing well.

I’m a big fan of Weimann, but earlier this season I thought he had one of his worst, if not the worst game he had had in a City shirt.  It’s blind support or criticism regardless of how they play that gets me.

As for “moaning at Bakinson”, I have, and at times he’s deserved it.  FWIW I thought he was sloppy with the ball v Stoke, but I was more impressed with the defensive positioning, especially last half hour.  Didn’t need to hare around, needed to screen his CBs whilst Massengo and Benarous did the leg work.

I liked in his interview where he said he’s been trying to improve things for a while, but that it doesn’t always happy overnight.  A few fans could do with taking that into account!

1 hour ago, Bodiesaffer said:

The reality is, he’s improved. Still at a good age where he’s nowhere near his prime.  Yes he has his faults like lots of players.  He knows what part of his game needs improving and is willing to put it the hard work, not just for himself but the team. 
 

Just 23, in his second season at this level.  If Nige thinks he’s improving, then that’s good.

[Better Red]

3 hours ago, TheReds said:

Disagree. He has plenty of ability, I will agree he gives the ball away, but at least he is trying to make something happen on many occasions. He has got better at different parts of his game, and if Pearson can see that then that is good enough for me.  As for he is "nowhere near James or Williams", who said he was. I reckon Williams and James are big players for us - but how often have they been available? Scott and Benarous are different types of players aren't they.

 

1 hour ago, Bodiesaffer said:

The reality is, he’s improved. Still at a good age where he’s nowhere near his prime.  Yes he has his faults like lots of players.  He knows what part of his game needs improving and is willing to put it the hard work, not just for himself but the team. 
 

But not good enough if we want to stay in the championship.

Just because he is a bit better does not him good enough.

Age who cares he is 23 not 18.. Not going to change how he plays now that much.

If we set our standards as low as Bakinson then we will get what we deserve.

No where near a top 10 championship player and is what we should be aiming at.

 

[Better Red]

39 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Think it’s fine to be critical when any player isn’t playing well, as long as you recognise when they are playing well.

I’m a big fan of Weimann, but earlier this season I thought he had one of his worst, if not the worst game he had had in a City shirt.  It’s blind support or criticism regardless of how they play that gets me.

As for “moaning at Bakinson”, I have, and at times he’s deserved it.  FWIW I thought he was sloppy with the ball v Stoke, but I was more impressed with the defensive positioning, especially last half hour.  Didn’t need to hare around, needed to screen his CBs whilst Massengo and Benarous did the leg work.

I liked in his interview where he said he’s been trying to improve things for a while, but that it doesn’t always happy overnight.  A few fans could do with taking that into account!

Just 23, in his second season at this level.  If Nige thinks he’s improving, then that’s good.

He was resigned to protect our investment not because he is a player Nige see as a first team player.

Nige will get better players in and he will sent out or loan or hopefully sold to recoup the money we have spent on him .

 

[sh1t_ref_again]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Think it’s fine to be critical when any player isn’t playing well, as long as you recognise when they are playing well.

 

No problem at all with people moaning or criticising a player when poor or making mistakes.

I don't like the scapegoating of a player, only highlighting his errors when others have been worse or having to keep on that a player is poor to try and justify previous statements

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

No problem at all with people moaning or criticising a player when poor or making mistakes.

I don't like the scapegoating of a player, only highlighting his errors when others have been worse or having to keep on that a player is poor to try and justify previous statements

Totally agree.

[Bodiesaffer]

6 hours ago, Better Red said:

 

But not good enough if we want to stay in the championship.

Just because he is a bit better does not him good enough.

Age who cares he is 23 not 18.. Not going to change how he plays now that much.

If we set our standards as low as Bakinson then we will get what we deserve.

No where near a top 10 championship player and is what we should be aiming at.

 

Time will tell, we can add the same comments about HMN, great prospect,  no a fantastic prospect but has problem with his defense side of his game. He needs to learn more and needs Matty or Williams to help him through games. Top 10 players, that’s what these kids are working hard to be and more.  Let’s evaluate Bakinson at the end of the season…. Oh I’m not being negative about HNM, he’s going to be some player in a season of two.

Edited November 27, 2021 by Bodiesaffer

[Bodiesaffer]

Just now, Bodiesaffer said:

Time will tell, we can add the same comments about HMN, great prospect,  no a fantastic prospect but has problem with his defense side of his game. He needs to learn more and needs Matty or Williams to help him through games. Top 10 players, that’s what these kids are working hard to be and more.  Let’s evaluate Bakinson at the end of the season…. Oh I’m not being negative about HNM, he’s going to be some player in a season of two.

 

[Garland-sweden]

So far he has seemed lost in the defensive play, give the ball away and dont know where to be in position. Sure he will improve that and he can be a good player, he got skills and think he is an elegant player. Nice passes forward and good with the ball. Think and hope he will be better and better.

[bcfcnick]

I thought he came across really well in the interview. Clearly a laid back guy and in sport, and football specifically, character traits are of course evident on the pitch and style of play.  It's not a bad quality as he doesn't panic, has time on the ball and tries to keep possession or pass with attacking intent.  We'e been hoofing it aimlessly for too long so I welcome the progress of young player like him and, of course, Scott and Benarous.

It's ideal if he plays with someone dynamic like Williams - he makes such a difference and if only he could stay fit.   I think Tyreeq is being 'man managed' and 'older player managed' very well.  I've no doubt King and James will be a very positive influence. 

Our midfield has so few goals in it (although I think that might change as the two youngsters develop) that someone who can get 5 or 6 a season, adds a bit of height to the midfield and gets assists  has to be considered an asset who can reach higher performance levels as he develops. He now has the right approach and seems well-motivated to progress. He mentioned he aspires to be a box to box player and has Patrick Vieira as his role model.  He'll have a bad game every now and then but he's developing and is going in the right direction with the right mentality.

[Better Red]

Watch him today.

won’t tackle 

Won’t track back

will look weak 

Then tell me he is improving

 

 

[Better Red]

Forgot to say will give the ball away…

[Better Red]

2 hours ago, ohhhshauntaylor said:

Bakinson so frustrating. 
 

 

2 hours ago, Better Red said:

Watch him today.

won’t tackle 

Won’t track back

will look weak 

Then tell me he is improving

 

 

Wow I was right….. who would have guessed.

He was embarrassing today. He was a disgrace today.

Tell me he is improving.

Leauge 1 at best. 
 

Get shot as soon as possible.
 

 

[Bodiesaffer]

1 hour ago, Better Red said:

 

Wow I was right….. who would have guessed.

He was embarrassing today. He was a disgrace today.

Tell me he is improving.

Leauge 1 at best. 
 

Get shot as soon as possible.
 

 

It’s who he plays with.  HMN got youth on his side but he’s another that can’t do it yet. They both need better players around them.  He does frustrate, he’s got this season to start being consistent and improve on the not very good Attributes.  he was poor today I do agree with that.

 

[Davefevs]

22 minutes ago, Bodiesaffer said:

It’s who he plays with.  HMN got youth on his side but he’s another that can’t do it yet. They both need better players around them.  He does frustrate, he’s got this season to start being consistent and improve on the not very good Attributes.  he was poor today I do agree with that.

 

You’re eating your time trying to discuss these sorts of things with some posters.

Better Red really is a misspelling of “Wetter Bed”.

[Better Red]

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

You’re eating your time trying to discuss these sorts of things with some posters.

Better Red really is a misspelling of “Wetter Bed”.

Better Red = Right (again)……..

 

28 minutes ago, Bodiesaffer said:

It’s who he plays with.  HMN got youth on his side but he’s another that can’t do it yet. They both need better players around them.  He does frustrate, he’s got this season to start being consistent and improve on the not very good Attributes.  he was poor today I do agree with that.

 

Poor ever since he has been here

[Better Red]

Stop defending him.

is a poor player at this level.

Not my fault I can see that. 
 

Not sure why you persist with tying defend him.

Look at league position over last 2 years.