Sheltons Army Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 minute ago, GrahamC said: Seems incredibly lenient to me, though I’m no expert on what was the maximum sentence available for this. Maximum sentence at magistrates Court Graham , although the district Judge could have sent it to Crown Court for sentencing if he believed he had insufficient sentencing power. Assuming he has no or little previous , Its probably quite a stiff sentence compared to a similar occurrence on Park Street or similar on a Friday night He will only serve half as well if he behaves For me sentencing is insufficient across the board and 2 years and 10 year ban would be more appropriate IMO 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 As someone else said on here, the consequences will go further for this guy, e.g. job, income etc. Be interesting to see how McBurnie is dealt with now by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Maximum sentence at magistrates Court Graham , although the district Judge could have sent it to Crown Court for sentencing if he believed he had insufficient sentencing power. Assuming he has no or little previous , Its probably quite a stiff sentence compared to a similar occurrence on Park Street or similar on a Friday night He will only serve half as well if he behaves For me sentencing is insufficient across the board and 2 years and 10 year ban would be more appropriate IMO Just one correction here. He doesn’t have to behave to serve half. You automatically only serve half. The only way you can serve more is if you commit further criminal offences or if you’re naughty the prison can add a maximum of 28 days. 18 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said: As someone else said on here, the consequences will go further for this guy, e.g. job, income etc. Be interesting to see how McBurnie is dealt with now by comparison. That footage is far from clear cut though. It’s much more difficult to see for definite what the bigger picture is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 48 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Maximum sentence at magistrates Court Graham , although the district Judge could have sent it to Crown Court for sentencing if he believed he had insufficient sentencing power. Assuming he has no or little previous , Its probably quite a stiff sentence compared to a similar occurrence on Park Street or similar on a Friday night He will only serve half as well if he behaves For me sentencing is insufficient across the board and 2 years and 10 year ban would be more appropriate IMO Two years for a low level offence like this?! How long would you have given Bradley Orr and Steve Brooker when they were convicted of affray? The sentence sounds about right to me, even if he only serves half of it inside. Three months inside for one moment of madness on a football pitch with no one badly injured feels about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 minute ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Two years for a low level offence like this?! How long would you have given Bradley Orr and Steve Brooker when they were convicted of affray? The sentence sounds about right to me, even if he only serves half of it inside. Three months inside for one moment of madness on a football pitch with no one badly injured feels about right. Yes , I would, absolutely No provocation, pre meditated , cowardly , and very high profile ( As for ‘low level offence’ , I’d be interested in your view if you were the victim - Sharps lucky he didn’t receive serious injury ) As for Orr & Brooker - An incident that very much had two sides , spontaneous , involved throwing of objects and disorderly conduct , with IIRC no significant injuries if any For me personally , The Forest fans offence far more serious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 12 weeks in the slammer! and a 10 year banning order …. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 Think justice has been done here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: Think justice has been done here. Good job I’m not a judge ,I’d have given the moron 2 years and a life ban … 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Slippin cider said: Good job I’m not a judge ,I’d have given the moron 2 years and a life ban … Wasn’t that above the max allowed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Wasn’t that above the max allowed ? You can get 5 years for ABH, but as has been pointed out, the case would have to be sent up to a Crown Court for sentencing. You can only get a maximum of 6 months in a Magistrates Court. Edited May 19, 2022 by Red-Robbo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fordy62 said: That footage is far from clear cut though. It’s much more difficult to see for definite what the bigger picture is. Agreed, but from what you do see, it looks like either a stamp or a kick and if he was doing that in self defense (which he may have been, as we dont see what happened that led to that), once the person was on the floor, then it could be argued that the stamp/kick was going beyond self defence. Like I said, will be interesting to see how this one pans out in comparison. Edited May 19, 2022 by Loco Rojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 2 hours ago, TheReds said: And a 2 year banning order... What is the point of that. Assume Forest can/will ban him for life anyway. 10 year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-61505835 24 weeks in jail not 12 , my mistake . Enjoy your porridge moron! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted May 19, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said: As for ‘low level offence’ , I’d be interested in your view if you were the victim - Sharps lucky he didn’t receive serious injury Surely that reflects the punishment then? Sharp wasn't badly injured - IF he had have been the charge would have been different Essentially the fan appeared to run at Sharp head first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, phantom said: Essentially the fan appeared to run at Sharp head first? Yes , using his thick head as a weapon essentially ,hence the charge of ABH . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 52 minutes ago, phantom said: Surely that reflects the punishment then? Sharp wasn't badly injured - IF he had have been the charge would have been different Essentially the fan appeared to run at Sharp head first? I’d say the injury / outcome is of course a factor Phants , but so are the other things I’ve highlighted Many people, understandably get hung up on which assault offence is charged but there are and will be convictions for GBH that due to the overall circumstances that don’t attract a prison sentence and there is plenty of sentencing power for ABH in this case (As RR stated 5 years) In years gone past he may well have been charged with a more serious offence (Due to the laceration / stitches) and the CPS changed charging guidelines some years back as , as , I said there is plenty of sentencing power in an ABH charge which is easier to prove and can be dealt with by Mag Court , What will have gone in his credit tbf will be that he surrendered himself and pleaded guilty at earliest opportunity (Possibly saved himself being pushed to Crown Court and a longer custodial) Out of all the parts of what he did , my biggest disgust is the cowardly way in which it was done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 Do these banning orders work in practice? Realistically if he shows up at a game with absolutely nothing connecting his ticket to him, how likely is he to be identified? Seems unlikely to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Slippin cider said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-61505835 24 weeks in jail not 12 , my mistake . Enjoy your porridge moron! £55k a year salary as an electrical engineer, that's over £24k in loss of earnings if he did the 24 weeks, silly boy, expensive head butt that is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said: Do these banning orders work in practice? Realistically if he shows up at a game with absolutely nothing connecting his ticket to him, how likely is he to be identified? Seems unlikely to me. Mate of mine was on a banning order when we played Stoke at Wembley, Bristol copper said "hello ****** what you doing here ?" and just let him go in the ground ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 minute ago, weepywall said: £55k a year salary as an electrical engineer, that's over £24k in loss of earnings if he did the 24 weeks, silly boy, expensive head butt that is. Looking at the Blades forum (who were all over his identity not long after his name was released ) I’d say that’s the least of his worries bud Easy and public way to instantly make a lot of enemies ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 Just now, Sheltons Army said: Looking at the Blades forum (who were all over his identity not long after his name was released ) I’d say that’s the least of his worries bud Easy and public way to instantly make a lot of enemies ! Very true, he will be looking over his shoulder that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 3 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Two years for a low level offence like this?! How long would you have given Bradley Orr and Steve Brooker when they were convicted of affray? The sentence sounds about right to me, even if he only serves half of it inside. Three months inside for one moment of madness on a football pitch with no one badly injured feels about right. This would have been the perfect time to send out a very strong message at a time when incidents of bottle throwing, pitch invasions etc are on the rise.Admittedly his punishment will be more than just time served. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Slippin cider said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-61505835 24 weeks in jail not 12 , my mistake . Enjoy your porridge moron! Will only serve 12 though unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 Just now, pillred said: Will only serve 12 though unfortunately. With good behaviour yes , if he starts headbutting the screws he’ll be there for the duration! …. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Slippin cider said: With good behaviour yes , if he starts headbutting the screws he’ll be there for the duration! …. Have always thought if you get 24 weeks that's what you should serve, and extra if you don't behave. Edited May 19, 2022 by pillred Add comment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Slippin cider Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 Only 7! ….lightweight…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Slippin cider said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-61505835 24 weeks in jail not 12 , my mistake . Enjoy your porridge moron! Your assessment of 12 is probably about right in reality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 30 minutes ago, !james said: Didn’t mean to but has no recollection of it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted May 19, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 hour ago, ChippenhamRed said: Do these banning orders work in practice? Realistically if he shows up at a game with absolutely nothing connecting his ticket to him, how likely is he to be identified? Seems unlikely to me. I guess if you go wearing a cap / sunglasses etc and don't sit with usual people you could get away with it But CCTV at Ashton Gate can zoom into someone's watch, I'd say someone would be fortunate to not be caught Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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