The Humble Realist Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 What is our actual max capacity ? The club said today was a sell out with 24,500 announced as the attendance but there were way too many empty seats for it to be just 'season ticket holders on holiday ' Anyone know the reasons for us not being able to literally fill the ground or was it just marketing PR by the club to promote a sell out without actually selling all the tickets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said: What is our actual max capacity ? The club said today was a sell out with 24,500 announced as the attendance but there were way too many empty seats for it to be just 'season ticket holders on holiday ' Anyone know the reasons for us not being able to literally fill the ground or was it just marketing PR by the club to promote a sell out without actually selling all the tickets? Sunderland only sold 2,000 and something tickets in an end that holds what 4,500? Mistake to give them so many, should have given a block to our fans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 I think our biggest crowd was against Man Utd 26,088. Todays game was maybe a sell-out in the home area but not in the Atyeo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 There are always seats in the middle section of the lower Lansdown that are empty. I think you have to buy a hospitality package to sit there, so they don’t sell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted August 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: I think our biggest crowd was against Man Utd 26,088. Todays game was maybe a sell-out in the home area but not in the Atyeo. There were quite a few empty seats in upper lansdown and the south stand . I sit in the doorman so couldnt see but a few dotted around near me. No way it was a 'full house ' in the home end 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said: There were quite a few empty seats in upper lansdown and the south stand . I sit in the doorman so couldnt see but a few dotted around near me. No way it was a 'full house ' in the home end There were a lot of season ticket holders on holiday, season tickets count toward the official attendance whether people are there or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted August 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: There were a lot of season ticket holders on holiday, season tickets count toward the official attendance whether people are there or not Yeah but there were heaps of empty seats. Way to many to be 'just season ticket holders on holiday ' 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 54 minutes ago, pongo88 said: There are always seats in the middle section of the lower Lansdown that are empty. I think you have to buy a hospitality package to sit there, so they don’t sell That was pretty annoying to be fair. At kickoff you had three blocks in the lower Lansdown where nobody was sat. Much like when the same happens at Wembley, it just creates a bad impression (we’re lucky the hard TV camera points to the Dolman) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westred1 Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 Was a good three or four thousand below what was announced too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWSM Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 hours ago, cidercity1987 said: Sunderland only sold 2,000 and something tickets in an end that holds what 4,500? Mistake to give them so many, should have given a block to our fans 'Think' it holds 4,200 and 'think' they sold 3338,,so 862 seats in the dolman corner not allocated I 'think' .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 minute ago, MattWSM said: 'Think' it holds 4,200 and 'think' they sold 3338,,so 862 seats in the dolman corner not allocated I 'think' .. I thought I heard Downsy say the crowd included 2,300 (ish) from Sunderland. But as I was in the middle of the Dolman he could have quite easily have been announcing the results of the 50:50 draw for all I know 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 So. 27,000 capacity. Less 862 that Sunderland didn’t sell = 25,838. Apparently all home tickets were sold. Attendance given was 24,543. So I guess 1,295 people purchased a ticket (not SC holders as they get counted regardless, an actual purchase), and didn’t bother to show up. That’s somewhat odd. Other reports yesterday suggested the home ticket sales were around the 23,000 mark. So, with the 3,338 away fans, that would make 26,338. Again, somewhat short - 1,795. Who are these 1,200 - 1,800 people who bought a ticket and didn’t show up. Odd behaviour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Harry said: So. 27,000 capacity. Less 862 that Sunderland didn’t sell = 25,838. Apparently all home tickets were sold. Attendance given was 24,543. So I guess 1,295 people purchased a ticket (not SC holders as they get counted regardless, an actual purchase), and didn’t bother to show up. That’s somewhat odd. Other reports yesterday suggested the home ticket sales were around the 23,000 mark. So, with the 3,338 away fans, that would make 26,338. Again, somewhat short - 1,795. Who are these 1,200 - 1,800 people who bought a ticket and didn’t show up. Odd behaviour. Complimentary tickets available but not given away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Harry said: So. 27,000 capacity. Less 862 that Sunderland didn’t sell = 25,838. Apparently all home tickets were sold. Attendance given was 24,543. So I guess 1,295 people purchased a ticket (not SC holders as they get counted regardless, an actual purchase), and didn’t bother to show up. That’s somewhat odd. Other reports yesterday suggested the home ticket sales were around the 23,000 mark. So, with the 3,338 away fans, that would make 26,338. Again, somewhat short - 1,795. Who are these 1,200 - 1,800 people who bought a ticket and didn’t show up. Odd behaviour. Well, I can account for 2, my brother (lives in London) felt rough yesterday, thought it was the start of COVID (not so far) so decided not to travel down. I got my other half a ticket but she decided not to bother as stuff cropped up at home around 1pm. I might be unusual in knowing 2 of them but life happens.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Harry said: Who are these 1,200 - 1,800 people who bought a ticket and didn’t show up. Well, there's a Mr. D. Bentley of Basildon, a Mr. Z. Vyner, Mr. K. Naismith from Glasgow, Mr Robert Philip Atkinson of Chesterfield, a Mr Joe Williams of Liverpool, a ..... 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 Have the disabled sections been increased? Certainly there seem to be new areas at both ends of the Lansdown that would have taken out a number of rows of seating. Maybe our capacity is not 27k anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 Does it really matter that much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 56 minutes ago, Harry said: So. 27,000 capacity. Less 862 that Sunderland didn’t sell = 25,838. Apparently all home tickets were sold. Attendance given was 24,543. So I guess 1,295 people purchased a ticket (not SC holders as they get counted regardless, an actual purchase), and didn’t bother to show up. That’s somewhat odd. Other reports yesterday suggested the home ticket sales were around the 23,000 mark. So, with the 3,338 away fans, that would make 26,338. Again, somewhat short - 1,795. Who are these 1,200 - 1,800 people who bought a ticket and didn’t show up. Odd behaviour. I think you'll find that if a ticket is bought, it's counted. The club don't give a flip if they don't turn up, as long as they've got the cash . 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted August 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 It really doesnt matter but my wider point is why cant we actually fill the ground? It seems the club only sold 25500 tickets but could have sold 1800 more? Are there health and safety restrictions for mac capacity for football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 My assumption was that 27k is (or was) the physical number of seats in the ground, but due to various factors (segregation, space for cameras for broadcast etc) the saleable capacity is somewhat lower. The other thing to note is that because the singing section is unreserved, capacity in those blocks is automatically reduced by 10%. If anyone remembers, for the Man Utd game the people in that section had to be allocated to a seat so that more could be accomodated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said: It really doesnt matter but my wider point is why cant we actually fill the ground? It seems the club only sold 25500 tickets but could have sold 1800 more? Are there health and safety restrictions for mac capacity for football? Maybe the Safety Advisory Group have been in action? No idea why, in a new build stadium, but they seem to work in mysterious ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stone Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 4 hours ago, cidercity1987 said: Sunderland only sold 2,000 and something tickets in an end that holds what 4,500? Mistake to give them so many, should have given a block to our fans Did they **** The Lansdown had loads of empty seats Shambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 Is it to simple to ask the club to explain why it was a sell out yet the attendance was only 24,000 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 7, 2022 Report Share Posted August 7, 2022 I’m not a AG “seats geek”, but FWIW isn’t our capacity 26,500(ish) because of segregation? We didn’t sell 1,000 in the Atyeo to Sunderland so that’s 25,500. Am I right in thinking LS Upper is normally adult + kid, so might be many single seats unavailable, because they can’t be sold on their own. Even if not 24,500 out of 25,500 is near enough a sellout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted August 7, 2022 Report Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Northern Red said: My assumption was that 27k is (or was) the physical number of seats in the ground, but due to various factors (segregation, space for cameras for broadcast etc) the saleable capacity is somewhat lower. The other thing to note is that because the singing section is unreserved, capacity in those blocks is automatically reduced by 10%. If anyone remembers, for the Man Utd game the people in that section had to be allocated to a seat so that more could be accomodated. Changed that a couple of seasons ago. They told everyone to sit in their allocated seats & no longer say it is unreserved. Of course, those of us that actually stand in that area still treat it as such. Couldn’t find the original email, but found a reminder from the club. Edited August 7, 2022 by Carey 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamdon Mart Posted August 7, 2022 Report Share Posted August 7, 2022 I thought that the capacity for football matches was 26.5k because of the segregation. The Atyeo holds 4.2k (?) and Downsy announced there was 2,352 from Sunderland so 1,848 shy of capacity in that stand. 26,500 - 1,848 leaves 24,652 which is pretty much what was said. From my vantage point in the Lansdown Upper, there were a few dozen empty seats in the South Stand block nearest to the Lansdown. On a footnote, when I worked for Yeovil, the ticket office manager said there would usually be between 10%-12% of ST holders that don't turn up for games. Leaving aside the fact that Yeovil were/are s**t, if that equates to City as well, it means that around 1.5k ST holders don't get to games which would also explain the disparity between what we see and what the crowd is announced as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted August 7, 2022 Report Share Posted August 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, Hamdon Mart said: I thought that the capacity for football matches was 26.5k because of the segregation. The Atyeo holds 4.2k (?) and Downsy announced there was 2,352 from Sunderland so 1,848 shy of capacity in that stand. 26,500 - 1,848 leaves 24,652 which is pretty much what was said. From my vantage point in the Lansdown Upper, there were a few dozen empty seats in the South Stand block nearest to the Lansdown. On a footnote, when I worked for Yeovil, the ticket office manager said there would usually be between 10%-12% of ST holders that don't turn up for games. Leaving aside the fact that Yeovil were/are s**t, if that equates to City as well, it means that around 1.5k ST holders don't get to games which would also explain the disparity between what we see and what the crowd is announced as. There were far more than 2,352 Sunderland fans there so what was all that about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper 123 Posted August 7, 2022 Report Share Posted August 7, 2022 Sunderland never sold out due to rail problems ie having to travel to London then train to Bristol I spoke to a few Sunderland fans who left home at 5 o clock so fair play to however many made trip 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted August 7, 2022 Report Share Posted August 7, 2022 15 hours ago, The Humble Realist said: Yeah but there were heaps of empty seats. Way to many to be 'just season ticket holders on holiday ' I go in group of 6 season ticket holder. (Used to be more). 4 couldn't make it yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted August 7, 2022 Report Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said: Have the disabled sections been increased? Certainly there seem to be new areas at both ends of the Lansdown that would have taken out a number of rows of seating. Maybe our capacity is not 27k anymore? Somebody on another thread did say the actual seats in the ground were more like 26,568 it's just rounded up to 27,000 for convenience. Edited August 7, 2022 by pillred Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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