a 1966 world cup question

[Never to the dark side]

and I don't know the answer

who was the FIFA(English?) who tried to coax Rattin off the field of play afer Rattin had been sent off in The England v Argentina quarter final game.

[David Brent]

Ken Aston

[Simon79]

4 hours ago, Never to the dark side said:

and I don't know the answer

who was the FIFA(English?) who tried to coax Rattin off the field of play afer Rattin had been sent off in The England v Argentina quarter final game.

I thought you were going to ask if it was over the line! COYR 

[SouthBristolCityBhoy]

Rudolf Krietlein from Germany

[slartibartfast]

I know Alf and Harold Shepeerdson (trainer) stopped our guys swapping shirts at the end .

[bert tann]

Pickles

[phantom]

For those too young to understand the chaos that day, here are two different reports on the events that day.....

For many people in Argentina, Diego Maradona’s ‘Hand of God’ in 1986 was revenge on England for another World Cup quarter final between the two countries twenty years earlier where the South Americans felt they were cheated. Hosts England won the game 1-0 through a 78th minute Geoff Hurst goal, but not before Argentina had had captain Antonio Rattin scandalously sent off in the 35th minute for arguing with referee Rudolf Kreitlein. Rattin initially refused to leave the field, believing that the ref wanted England to win, and when he did finally walk the 29-year-old insulted the Queen. Three Lions manager Sir Alf Ramsey let rip at the opposition with comments that were viewed as racist in Argentina. “We have still to produce our best, and this is not possible until we meet the right sort of opponents, and that is a team that comes out to play football and not act as animals,” sniped Ramsey. Post match statistics showed that Argentina had committed only 19 fouls in the game, to England’s 33, while the referee spoke no Spanish so could not have understood what Rattin said to him. Back in South America, it was pointed out that the referee in the England game was German, while the official in Germany’s equally controversial quarter final was English. The events surrounding the refereeing draw for these two games added further suspicions. The representatives of Argentina, Uruguay, Spain and the Soviet Union were invited to a London hotel for the draw. They arrived on time, but found out that the draw had already been made without them, with the only witnesses being FIFA's English president Stanley Rous, a German representative, and a couple of Africans. This dubious situation strengthened conspiracy talk, and led to Dutch referee infamously declaring that "FIFA is controlled by three people - Sir, Stanley, Rous."

TAKEN FROM: http://www.oldschoolpanini.com/2015/09/antonio-rattins-violence-of-tongue.html

 

Rattin, the Argentina captain, was infamously dismissed by German referee Rudolf Kreitlein after half an hour of an ill-tempered 1966 World Cup quarter-final for protesting.

"I saw that all his decisions favoured England... corners, fouls, he even invented handballs," said the 79-year-old, recalling the incident on its 50th anniversary on Saturday.

"In view of that, I showed his my captain's armband and for several minutes asked for an interpreter to ask for explanations," Rattin told the Argentine daily La Nacion

 

"I couldn't believe it (when he sent me off)," Rattin added.

"The dismissal was so unfair that in anger I sat on the red carpet of the Queen's royal box. She wasn't in the stadium."

Rattin eventually took the long walk round the touchline to the tunnel behind one of the goals and recalled he ate bits of chocolate bars thrown at him by fans before throwing them back, wringing a British corner flag with his hand in anger and dodging beer cans.

He watched the rest of the match which England won 1-0 on the way to the title through a small window in the changing rooms "with (a feeling of) total impotence".

 

England manager Alf Ramsey infamously called the Argentine players animals but Rattin, sent off that one time in his career, said: "I'd like to be taken back there.

"I'd get off the plane, go and see the new Wembley, chat again with Bobby Charlton, go and see the Queen, who is still alive, and come back home."

The incident led to the introduction of red and yellow cards and started a fierce, sometimes violent, rivalry between two of the world's leading football nations.

The teams avoided each other at the next four World Cups, with one or the other failing to qualify and the luck of the draw in 1982 when the countries were at war over the Falkland (Malvinas) islands.

 

TAKEN FROM: https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/rattin-recalls-moment-that-sparked-england-argentina-rivalry_sto5695844/story.shtml

 

[gavlin]

It was Ken Aston who was Head of the World Cup referees in 1966  also 1970 and 1974. He was the guy on the touchline who escorted Rattin off the pitch.

Interesting fact about Ken Aston he was the person who came up with the yellow and red cards. Below is how he thought of the idea .

On the trip, as he stopped at a traffic light junction at Kensington High Street, Aston realised that a colour-coding scheme based on the same amber/yellow ('stop if safe to do so') - red (Stop) principle as used on traffic lights would traverse language barriers and clarify to players and spectators that they had been cautioned or sent off.^[3]

Aston later explained that upon arriving at his home, he explained the dilemma to his wife, Hilda. She disappeared into the other room, only to return a few minutes later with two "cards" made of construction paper. She had cut them to fit into his shirt pocket. Thus was devised the system whereby referees show a yellow card for a caution and a red card for an expulsion, which was first used in the 1970 World Cup.

These cards have also been adopted – with appropriate differences depending on the rules – in many other sports.

 

[Lanterne Rouge]

6 minutes ago, gavlin said:

It was Ken Aston who was Head of the World Cup referees in 1966  also 1970 and 1974. He was the guy on the touchline who escorted Rattin off the pitch.

Interesting fact about Ken Aston he was the person who came up with the yellow and red cards. Below is how he thought of the idea .

On the trip, as he stopped at a traffic light junction at Kensington High Street, Aston realised that a colour-coding scheme based on the same amber/yellow ('stop if safe to do so') - red (Stop) principle as used on traffic lights would traverse language barriers and clarify to players and spectators that they had been cautioned or sent off.^[3]

Aston later explained that upon arriving at his home, he explained the dilemma to his wife, Hilda. She disappeared into the other room, only to return a few minutes later with two "cards" made of construction paper. She had cut them to fit into his shirt pocket. Thus was devised the system whereby referees show a yellow card for a caution and a red card for an expulsion, which was first used in the 1970 World Cup.

These cards have also been adopted – with appropriate differences depending on the rules – in many other sports.

 

Interesting. I never knew they were used at the 1970 World Cup, I thought they were a much more recent thing. When were they first used in the League?

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

30 minutes ago, gavlin said:

It was Ken Aston who was Head of the World Cup referees in 1966  also 1970 and 1974. He was the guy on the touchline who escorted Rattin off the pitch.

Interesting fact about Ken Aston he was the person who came up with the yellow and red cards. Below is how he thought of the idea .

On the trip, as he stopped at a traffic light junction at Kensington High Street, Aston realised that a colour-coding scheme based on the same amber/yellow ('stop if safe to do so') - red (Stop) principle as used on traffic lights would traverse language barriers and clarify to players and spectators that they had been cautioned or sent off.^[3]

Aston later explained that upon arriving at his home, he explained the dilemma to his wife, Hilda. She disappeared into the other room, only to return a few minutes later with two "cards" made of construction paper. She had cut them to fit into his shirt pocket. Thus was devised the system whereby referees show a yellow card for a caution and a red card for an expulsion, which was first used in the 1970 World Cup.

These cards have also been adopted – with appropriate differences depending on the rules – in many other sports.

 

Ken Aston had previously refereed the infamous ‘Battle of Santiago’ between Chile and Italy in the 1962 World Cup.

 

[Bat Fastard]

15 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Ken Aston had previously refereed the infamous ‘Battle of Santiago’ between Chile and Italy in the 1962 World Cup.

 

Glen Humphries should have been in that game, along with Dave Martin.

[Jim Davey]

1 hour ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Ken Aston had previously refereed the infamous ‘Battle of Santiago’ between Chile and Italy in the 1962 World Cup.

 

love the goal nets