No-one on here Knows

[Guest]

What goes on in training, in NP`s office, in the dressing room before/after the game etc, even SL doesnt know. The only ones that know are those who are there at the time.

So everything on here is an opinion of the posters, which is fine as this is what the forum is for, it just seems to vent endless anger and abuse from many, its like an us and them/fans v non fans/armchair fans v attendees.

You dont share my view then you are nothing/gas/partimer/not a fan/supporter etc, etc, just find it sad when so much else is going on atm. Anyway carry on, what ever floats your boat......moan over.

 

[DaveF]

11 minutes ago, gl2 said:

What goes on in training, in NP`s office, in the dressing room before/after the game etc, even SL doesnt know. The only ones that know are those who are there at the time.

So everything on here is an opinion of the posters, which is fine as this is what the forum is for, it just seems to vent endless anger and abuse from many, its like an us and them/fans v non fans/armchair fans v attendees.

You dont share my view then you are nothing/gas/partimer/not a fan/supporter etc, etc, just find it sad when so much else is going on atm. Anyway carry on, what ever floats your boat......moan over.

 

OTIB is a miserable place. Are fans from other teams as negative as those on OTIB?

[Rebounder]

15 minutes ago, DaveF said:

OTIB is a miserable place. Are fans from other teams as negative as those on OTIB?

Yep. 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

21 minutes ago, DaveF said:

OTIB is a miserable place. Are fans from other teams as negative as those on OTIB?

Often more so if you read them. Back to the OP is it like QI? Do we get a Nobody Knows bonus. 

[And Its Smith]

Correct. Nobody knows whether Pearson’s treatment of Atkinson is justified or not. Nobody knows if Pring deserved it either.  

[redsquirrel]

nobody knows if pearson just got his wuckin murds fuddled

[Sir Leigh of Somerset]

 

[Eddie Hitler]

I know.

But I'm not telling @gl2

[Major Isewater]

8 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

I know.

But I'm not telling @gl2

You’re nobody? 

[1960maaan]

 

 

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, gl2 said:

What goes on in training, in NP`s office, in the dressing room before/after the game etc, even SL doesnt know. The only ones that know are those who are there at the time.

So everything on here is an opinion of the posters, which is fine as this is what the forum is for, it just seems to vent endless anger and abuse from many, its like an us and them/fans v non fans/armchair fans v attendees.

You dont share my view then you are nothing/gas/partimer/not a fan/supporter etc, etc, just find it sad when so much else is going on atm. Anyway carry on, what ever floats your boat......moan over.

 

This forum is pretty much the same as every other football club forum. I’ve visited plenty of others and there’s very little difference the content,

There are discussions about various players, their best position et el. Opinions about the manager, his decisions, line up, substitutions blah blah blah……..

Essentially we football fans are all the same regardless of which club we they follow.

I’ve been an otib member for 20+ years and the debates and discussion we have currently are no different to debates and discussions of yesteryear.

Only skin of the site evolves over time - but not the general content.

 

 

 

[Sleepy1968]

8 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

 

 

I've just cued this up on tidal. It was #46 on the list of top blondie tracks for good reason Anyway a late 1970s Debbie Harry is always a welcome distraction.

Edited December 19, 2022 by Sleepy1968

[exAtyeoMax]

33 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

 

 

I was just about to post this! 

[Lrrr]

 

[W-S-M Seagull]

6 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Correct. Nobody knows whether Pearson’s treatment of Atkinson is justified or not. Nobody knows if Pring deserved it either.  

Considering Pearsons experience as a manager then I tend to trust him. 

When he signed Vardy, it wasn't all smooth sailing to begin with? And look at the career Vardy has had since that chat with Pearson. That alone proves that if players listen to Pearson and do as he says then they will improve as players. 

For all we know Atkinson could be down town every night burning 50 pound notes (he's not) 

Kasper Schmeichel once said -

“But the guy is brutally honest.

“I had one situation where I came back from an injury and he didn’t play me. I had a frank conversation with him but he just stared me down.

“I knew that I had to shut up then. I wasn’t going to win that argument.”

[cidered abroad]

4 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Considering Pearsons experience as a manager then I tend to trust him. 

When he signed Vardy, it wasn't all smooth sailing to begin with? And look at the career Vardy has had since that chat with Pearson. That alone proves that if players listen to Pearson and do as he says then they will improve as players. 

For all we know Atkinson could be down town every night burning 50 pound notes (he's not) 

Kasper Schmeichel once said -

“But the guy is brutally honest.

“I had one situation where I came back from an injury and he didn’t play me. I had a frank conversation with him but he just stared me down.

“I knew that I had to shut up then. I wasn’t going to win that argument.”

That comment from Schmeichel is the eye opener for many football fans who see a manager as the one with all the answers for everything. In other words, the players are robots doing exactly what the manager says.

That sort of relationship can only exist in organisations that do repetitive functions day in and day out. Where other employees are not deliberately trying to make one do the wrong thing every second of the working day. Even a ballet dancer makes mistakes while performing alongside everyone who wants it done accurately.

Whatever the game plan before the match, it can collapse within five seconds of the starting whistle because there are eleven nasty people pushing, kicking, chatting, cheating, abusing and playing in a totally unexpected formation.

Pearson is aiming for everyone in his squad to be able to react, think for themselves and organise/help team mates while being organised themselves by their own colleagues.

We haven't had a manager like this since Alan Dicks,Terry Cooper and maybe Joe Jordan first time, and coupled with the FFP restrictions for new recruitment, it's going to be a hard next five months.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2022 by cidered abroad

[Port Said Red]

4 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Considering Pearsons experience as a manager then I tend to trust him. 

When he signed Vardy, it wasn't all smooth sailing to begin with? And look at the career Vardy has had since that chat with Pearson. That alone proves that if players listen to Pearson and do as he says then they will improve as players. 

For all we know Atkinson could be down town every night burning 50 pound notes (he's not) 

Kasper Schmeichel once said -

“But the guy is brutally honest.

“I had one situation where I came back from an injury and he didn’t play me. I had a frank conversation with him but he just stared me down.

“I knew that I had to shut up then. I wasn’t going to win that argument.”

I think it's more likely that the opposite is true and that the fact he is more insular is part of the problem.

[And Its Smith]

5 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Considering Pearsons experience as a manager then I tend to trust him. 

When he signed Vardy, it wasn't all smooth sailing to begin with? And look at the career Vardy has had since that chat with Pearson. That alone proves that if players listen to Pearson and do as he says then they will improve as players. 

For all we know Atkinson could be down town every night burning 50 pound notes (he's not) 

Kasper Schmeichel once said -

“But the guy is brutally honest.

“I had one situation where I came back from an injury and he didn’t play me. I had a frank conversation with him but he just stared me down.

“I knew that I had to shut up then. I wasn’t going to win that argument.”

Those who wanted Pearson in and continue to will believe he is right in his treatment of Atkinson and Pring.  That’s only natural. I’ve got no opinion on if he is correct or not as I don’t know.   He may have got it right with Vardy but it’s not a one size fits all situation so it doesn’t prove anything in this case 

[The Bard]

13 hours ago, DaveF said:

OTIB is a miserable place. Are fans from other teams as negative as those on OTIB?

The Bristol Rugby forum is astoundingly negative. It was negative when Bristol were top of the Premiership and winning a European trophy. Loads of whingeing old gits harking back to the good old days, which obviously weren't as good.

There is a very Bristolian form of negativity. Almost like a compulsion to be  negative, rather than a mindset.

 

[Port Said Red]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

Those who wanted Pearson in and continue to will believe he is right in his treatment of Atkinson and Pring.  That’s only natural. I’ve got no opinion on if he is correct or not as I don’t know.   He may have got it right with Vardy but it’s not a one size fits all situation so it doesn’t prove anything in this case 

It's not that black and white, I like Pearson, I think he has given the club a more professional set up from top to bottom, but I can't understand the treatment of Atkinson or Pring before him. To me he seems to be overlooking the attributes of players and focusing heavily on their flaws, that's a position I have seen more commonly from fans on this forum.

Edited December 20, 2022 by Port Said Red

[JoeAman08]

5 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Considering Pearsons experience as a manager then I tend to trust him. 

When he signed Vardy, it wasn't all smooth sailing to begin with? And look at the career Vardy has had since that chat with Pearson. That alone proves that if players listen to Pearson and do as he says then they will improve as players. 

For all we know Atkinson could be down town every night burning 50 pound notes (he's not) 

Kasper Schmeichel once said -

“But the guy is brutally honest.

“I had one situation where I came back from an injury and he didn’t play me. I had a frank conversation with him but he just stared me down.

“I knew that I had to shut up then. I wasn’t going to win that argument.”

I’m not saying NP way is right or wrong but Kasper is 36 years old and came through football at a different time. What may have worked for Vardy and Schmeichel may not work for Scott and Atkinson. Just because it worked for them does not mean it will work everywhere. In fact, his record since Leicester suggest Leicester may have been the outlier. 

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

13 hours ago, gl2 said:

What goes on in training, in NP`s office, in the dressing room before/after the game etc, even SL doesnt know. The only ones that know are those who are there at the time.

So everything on here is an opinion of the posters, which is fine as this is what the forum is for, it just seems to vent endless anger and abuse from many, its like an us and them/fans v non fans/armchair fans v attendees.

You dont share my view then you are nothing/gas/partimer/not a fan/supporter etc, etc, just find it sad when so much else is going on atm. Anyway carry on, what ever floats your boat......moan over.

 

But that’s not necessarily true.  Players have families and friends, and so do City staff members.  I have an email from someone very closely connected to one of our players sitting in my inbox at the moment, but of course I wouldn’t betray anything I’m told in confidence.  However, what I’m told does influence the general way I think and talk about what goes on at City.

[Simon bristol]

6 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Considering Pearsons experience as a manager then I tend to trust him. 

When he signed Vardy, it wasn't all smooth sailing to begin with? And look at the career Vardy has had since that chat with Pearson. That alone proves that if players listen to Pearson and do as he says then they will improve as players. 

For all we know Atkinson could be down town every night burning 50 pound notes (he's not) 

Kasper Schmeichel once said -

“But the guy is brutally honest.

“I had one situation where I came back from an injury and he didn’t play me. I had a frank conversation with him but he just stared me down.

“I knew that I had to shut up then. I wasn’t going to win that argument.”

I wonder if leicester were actually winning at the time? 
 

pearson has done well at one club, and that was a long time ago, and its not bristol city. Hes poor, the club is poor, the players are mostly poor he should be gotten rid of but i have no faith that we will get anyone any better in, and even if we did, we have 2 or 3 actually good championship players and no money so we basically have no chance to do anything.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

But that’s not necessarily true.  Players have families and friends, and so do City staff members.  I have an email from someone very closely connected to one of our players sitting in my inbox at the moment, but of course I wouldn’t betray anything I’m told in confidence.  However, what I’m told does influence the general way I think and talk about what goes on at City.

Understand that but there are 2 sides to everything and that players views could well be affected if he is on the wrong/right side of the manager, so you are only getting his view not the whole picture

Edited December 20, 2022 by gl2

[GrahamC]

12 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

But that’s not necessarily true.  Players have families and friends, and so do City staff members.  I have an email from someone very closely connected to one of our players sitting in my inbox at the moment, but of course I wouldn’t betray anything I’m told in confidence.  However, what I’m told does influence the general way I think and talk about what goes on at City.

Exactly this, I know someone on this forum who is very good mates with the father of one of our U21 squad, to assume that person “doesn’t know what goes on in training” is just incredibly naive.

There have also been posters in the past who have said things that then happened in the following week, often because they knew someone.

Of course there are some fantasists out there (I can think of one very obvious one) but those who do know need to walk a fine line when they reveal stuff and where.

[red panda]

I'm sorry, you're all wrong

Everybody knows

[1960maaan]

Let's be honest now.

 

 

[cidered abroad]

1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

It's not that black and white, I like Pearson, I think he has given the club a more professional set up from top to bottom, but I can't understand the treatment of Atkinson or Pring before him. To me he seems to be overlooking the attributes of players and focusing heavily on their flaws, that's a position I have seen more commonly from fans on this forum.

Possibly because their flaws were totally negating their positives?

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Those who wanted Pearson in and continue to will believe he is right in his treatment of Atkinson and Pring.  That’s only natural. I’ve got no opinion on if he is correct or not as I don’t know.   He may have got it right with Vardy but it’s not a one size fits all situation so it doesn’t prove anything in this case 

I don’t think it’s - if you’re Pearson in you think he’s right in his treatment.  Of those of us that are Pearson in I think all of us expressed surprise at the number of 18s that didn’t contain Pring.  It’s not about thinking he’s right or wrong because we don’t know what’s going on.  We sometimes hear snippets and add that to our thoughts.  Just because I’m “Pearson In” doesn’t mean I would choose to do exactly the same things as he would.  Nor should “Pearson Out” mean everything has to be viewed as wrong or his fault.  That is what is so weird about OTIB.

Re Pring, we can look at it in hindsight and say one thing:

- he’s come back into the side playing really well

and what we should be asking is:

- is the credit down to Cam, Nige, a combo of both, and / or

- could the same improvement have been made by a different method, e.g. playing him through the “development period” (my words to generalise his time out of the team)

As you know I’m Pearson In…and I don’t think it was right.  But I also think there’s been a massive overreaction too.

2 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

It's not that black and white, I like Pearson, I think he has given the club a more professional set up from top to bottom, but I can't understand the treatment of Atkinson or Pring before him. To me he seems to be overlooking the attributes of players and focusing heavily on their flaws, that's a position I have seen more commonly from fans on this forum.

That’s really the question I ask above….is there a different way of developing the player into what you want from them, which from the outside looking in, appears to keep them part of the group?

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Exactly this, I know someone on this forum who is very good mates with the father of one of our U21 squad, to assume that person “doesn’t know what goes on in training” is just incredibly naive.

There have also been posters in the past who have said things that then happened in the following week, often because they knew someone.

Of course there are some fantasists out there (I can think of one very obvious one) but those who do know need to walk a fine line when they reveal stuff and where.

100%.

The test is weeding through the tittle-tattle, and who is a shit-stirrer and whole genuine.

We know what the snippets we get that some stuff that appears “huge” is just “normal” at a football club.  Employee squaring up to his Boss in a normal job is sensational, on a football training pitch is far less sensational (Kalas / Nige example).

[sh1t_ref_again]

I am very much in the Nige in camp  but like nearly everyone else have no knowledge of what goes on behind closed doors and why players are allowed on the bus or not. It does seem that NP is the boss and will not allow any player to undermine him, which we have been after a strong manager for years.

I am very frustrated over the HNM stance, he is a very good player who should be at the minimum on the bench as we are still paying his wages. It's nonsense to say someone who will be here next year goes ahead of him for that reason, if we get relegated by a point having Han on the bench could have made the marginal difference.

Have been calling for Pring for a long time as do not rate DaSilva, NP hinted some time ago about some issue he has with Pring, just glad he has for forced his way in and now difficult to drop.

You only have to look at Bakinson to see how you can be in 1 minute then banished the next, stating games playing well, given new contract  then I believe war of words must of happened and then he was out, never to play for us again.

 

[pongo88]

2 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

I wonder if leicester were actually winning at the time? 
 

pearson has done well at one club, and that was a long time ago, and its not bristol city. Hes poor, the club is poor, the players are mostly poor he should be gotten rid of but i have no faith that we will get anyone any better in, and even if we did, we have 2 or 3 actually good championship players and no money so we basically have no chance to do anything.

I think you’re getting into the Christmas spirit with a Bah Humbug feeling.  There must be something right 

[Bazooka Joe]

15 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

I know.

But I'm not telling @gl2

Let me guess.

If you told us, you'd have to kill us.

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

2 hours ago, gl2 said:

Understand that but there are 2 sides to everything and that players views could well be affected if he is on the wrong/right side of the manager, so you are only getting his view not the whole picture

True, but one side of a picture is probably better than none at all…

[Eddie Hitler]

54 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said:

Let me guess.

If you told us, you'd have to kill us.

No.

I would politely ask you to keep it to yourself.

[W-S-M Seagull]

4 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

I wonder if leicester were actually winning at the time? 
 

pearson has done well at one club, and that was a long time ago, and its not bristol city. Hes poor, the club is poor, the players are mostly poor he should be gotten rid of but i have no faith that we will get anyone any better in, and even if we did, we have 2 or 3 actually good championship players and no money so we basically have no chance to do anything.

It took a while for it all to click at Leicester. Just like it is here really. 

There was one season where it looked like Leicester were odds on for relegation. However generally they were playing well, but kept losing (sound familiar?) And then one day, it all clicked and then they survived and the rest is history. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

6 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

That comment from Schmeichel is the eye opener for many football fans who see a manager as the one with all the answers for everything. In other words, the players are robots doing exactly what the manager says.

That sort of relationship can only exist in organisations that do repetitive functions day in and day out. Where other employees are not deliberately trying to make one do the wrong thing every second of the working day. Even a ballet dancer makes mistakes while performing alongside everyone who wants it done accurately.

Whatever the game plan before the match, it can collapse within five seconds of the starting whistle because there are eleven nasty people pushing, kicking, chatting, cheating, abusing and playing in a totally unexpected formation.

Pearson is aiming for everyone in his squad to be able to react, think for themselves and organise/help team mates while being organised themselves by their own colleagues.

We haven't had a manager like this since Alan Dicks,Terry Cooper and maybe Joe Jordan first time, and coupled with the FFP restrictions for new recruitment, it's going to be a hard next five months.

 

 

 

 

I suppose we can probably draw some parallels with Wells and Schmeichel. Both were out of the team and both applied themselves correctly to win their place back. 

I believe LJ was the type of manager that you describe. He would micro manage everything and then as soon as something didn't go to plan, we were clueless. 

[And Its Smith]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I don’t think it’s - if you’re Pearson in you think he’s right in his treatment.  Of those of us that are Pearson in I think all of us expressed surprise at the number of 18s that didn’t contain Pring.  It’s not about thinking he’s right or wrong because we don’t know what’s going on.  We sometimes hear snippets and add that to our thoughts.  Just because I’m “Pearson In” doesn’t mean I would choose to do exactly the same things as he would.  Nor should “Pearson Out” mean everything has to be viewed as wrong or his fault.  That is what is so weird about OTIB.

Re Pring, we can look at it in hindsight and say one thing:

- he’s come back into the side playing really well

and what we should be asking is:

- is the credit down to Cam, Nige, a combo of both, and / or

- could the same improvement have been made by a different method, e.g. playing him through the “development period” (my words to generalise his time out of the team)

As you know I’m Pearson In…and I don’t think it was right.  But I also think there’s been a massive overreaction too.

That’s really the question I ask above….is there a different way of developing the player into what you want from them, which from the outside looking in, appears to keep them part of the group?

There will be fans who are anti Pearson who will say why wasn’t Pring playing, look how good he is.  And there will be Pro Pearson saying he’s good now because of Pearson.  You might not fall into the former but many do.  Personally I find it all a bit bizarre but the proof will be in the pudding.  If we improve then fair enough and credit will be due. This squad is too good for a relegation battle so it shouldn’t come to that, for me 

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

This squad is too good for a relegation battle so it shouldn’t come to that, for me 

This squad isn’t too good at all imho.  But a first team of the better players playing most weeks is.  That’s a subtle difference.  Our squad is weak(er) overall, but it has just about enough good players to cover the not so good.

All imho.

It’s why when a couple of key players are out we look a different outfit.

If I genuinely could pick a best eleven of fit players, I think this “kind of” side is capable of mid-table easily…

Bentley or O’Leary (take your pick)

Kalas Naismith Atkinson

Tanner James Scott Pring

Weimann

Wells Semenyo 

The players in bold have either been injured and / or out of form.  Hence some of our woes.

 

 

 

[And Its Smith]

11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

This squad isn’t too good at all imho.  But a first team of the better players playing most weeks is.  That’s a subtle difference.  Our squad is weak(er) overall, but it has just about enough good players to cover the not so good.

All imho.

It’s why when a couple of key players are out we look a different outfit.

If I genuinely could pick a best eleven of fit players, I think this “kind of” side is capable of mid-table easily…

Bentley or O’Leary (take your pick)

Kalas Naismith Atkinson

Tanner James Scott Pring

Weimann

Wells Semenyo 

The players in bold have either been injured and / or out of form.  Hence some of our woes.

 

 

 

Vyner, Conway, Massengo, Williams can all come in for those players in bold and the standard doesn’t drop hugely, if at all.  Pearson chooses to stick to a back 5 when we only have 3 actual defenders that he seems happy to pick. That’s his decision.  
 

 

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, And Its Smith said:

Vyner, Conway, Massengo, Williams can all come in for those players in bold and the standard doesn’t drop hugely, if at all.  Pearson chooses to stick to a back 5 when we only have 3 actual defenders that he seems happy to pick. That’s his decision.  
 

 

Yep, sort of agree.  I’d love to have Kalas back just to see if he can be the influence I think he can be (without the burden of an armband).  A firing Kalas could make such a huge difference I reckon. 

[Bazooka Joe]

2 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

No.

I would politely ask you to keep it to yourself.

You realise most people on this forum are probably hopeless at keeping secrets.

Maybe better to keep whatever you know to yourself.

Though I'm curious how you got to the bottom of all this.

 

[Eddie Hitler]

1 hour ago, Bazooka Joe said:

You realise most people on this forum are probably hopeless at keeping secrets.

Maybe better to keep whatever you know to yourself.

Though I'm curious how you got to the bottom of all this.

 

 

It was a fairly weak joke tbh.

I am not remotely ITK.

[Red_Alligator]

I'm more than happy to admit that I know nothing about what goes on behind closed doors at Ashton Gate. But I guess you all realised that anyway....

[Major Isewater]

13 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

am not remotely ITK.

You would say that though. Eddie Hitler knows. 
 

[Bazooka Joe]

19 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

 

It was a fairly weak joke tbh.

I am not remotely ITK.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, that makes you fully qualified to take over the running of our beloved club.

 

(Seriously though, I guessed you were only joking, which is I made reference to "bottom" in my previous post. Nothing wrong with having a bit of fun on here, especially with the way things are going at the moment).

[Eddie Hitler]

4 hours ago, Bazooka Joe said:

Well, as far as I'm concerned, that makes you fully qualified to take over the running of our beloved club.

 

(Seriously though, I guessed you were only joking, which is I made reference to "bottom" in my previous post. Nothing wrong with having a bit of fun on here, especially with the way things are going at the moment).

 

I missed that reference. Doh!

[Loosey Boy]

On 20/12/2022 at 14:38, Davefevs said:

This squad isn’t too good at all imho.  But a first team of the better players playing most weeks is.  That’s a subtle difference.  Our squad is weak(er) overall, but it has just about enough good players to cover the not so good.

All imho.

It’s why when a couple of key players are out we look a different outfit.

If I genuinely could pick a best eleven of fit players, I think this “kind of” side is capable of mid-table easily…

Bentley or O’Leary (take your pick)

Kalas Naismith Atkinson

Tanner James Scott Pring

Weimann

Wells Semenyo 

The players in bold have either been injured and / or out of form.  Hence some of our woes.

 

 

 

We continue to leak soft goals but that back 3/5 is more than good enough - the challenge of course, is getting them all fit and confident 

[Lanterne Rouge]

There are things we know.

There are things we don`t know.

There are things we know we don`t know.

There are things we don`t know we don`t know.

Reckon that pretty much covers it.

[Port Said Red]

10 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

There are things we know.

There are things we don`t know.

There are things we know we don`t know.

There are things we don`t know we don`t know.

Reckon that pretty much covers it.

You forgot, there are things we shouldn't know 

[Malvern Red]