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A very interesting question actually. They play very different roles and are very different players so it is hard to compare them directly.

I guess my initial thoughts are that you have to set aside the raw goal numbers. If you don't then obviously Tammy wins every time. With goals aside I'd say that for a consistent number of high-level match-defining performances you go Tammy. However, if you're looking for singular great performances then Scott edges it. 

We've got the benefit with Tammy of knowing what he's gone on to do in the Premier League and Serie A, and for England. With Scott we're still talking about potential, however high that may be, it is possible it will go unfulfilled.

I think ultimately I go Tammy.

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Joe Bryan, Flint, Magnússon, Korey, Brownhill, Bobby Reid, Pack, Tammy, Duric... some quality players in there that season many of whom went on to bigger and better things. Shame about the 17th place finish...!

I think @ExiledAjax's reasoning is sound above, so I think right now I'd go with Tammy as well, but I hope I'm saying Scott in a few years time and wondering what was wrong with myself for ever doubting him!

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Hard to say. Both exceptionally talented, Tammy was very prolific but his all round game was questionable as is natural at that age whereas Scott some but not.many goals.and assists but very useful in a range of ways- very good obviously but his defensive stats are alright, he filled in at wing back last sesson, attacking midfield plus varied CM.

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Scott is just an absolute joy to watch with an incredible all round game. Every chance he could hit the very top, but equally he might end up mid to lower table prem.

I think also probably a little biased because we own Scott (for now) whereas Tammy was never properly ours.

in over 35 years of watching City I haven’t seen anybody with such potential.

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14 minutes ago, tin said:

Tammy was better, but Scott will go further IMO

Interesting. I think Scott is a fabulous player but IMO it is still to early to say he will go ‘further’ than Tammy. Whilst what we are seeing from Scott in the championship is unbelievable for a 19 year old, the step up to the Prem is huge.

I have no doubt that Scott will become a very decent player at the top level but will he kick on and make numerous caps for England and go abroad to a top league and hold his own like Tammy has? It’s a hard one to predict to be honest.  

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I think the comparison is tricky. Tammy was clearer on what his best position was, what kind of player he was and how he wanted to play and - for that reason - was probably a bit better at his role in the team whereas Scott is able to play in more positions and is more versatile in his style of play which means is more adaptable and could play a wider range of roles on the pitch.

So, in a sense, Abraham was maybe a “better”  Strike than Scott is a midfielder or attacking midfielder player but Scott is a “better” footballer and has more room to grow.

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A bit left field perhaps but a 19ish year old we had who went onto much bigger and better things who to me looked far too good to be playing for us was Paul Agostino. 
 

I remember two brilliant finishes away at Preston and Bournemouth and of course those two goals against the gas.
 

Also remember him missing an open goal at home to Burnley trying to back heel it in front of the Atyeo - so what do I know! 

Sorry didn’t see this was a choice of two BTW!

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Very hard to say with it not being a like for like comparison

Tammy hasn't quite achieved what I expected, I guess he was physically already there aged 19 so perhaps not a major room for improvement

Scott has an all round game that can develop further to dominate matches and is such a unique player.

I think Abraham was better aged 19 but Scott can achieve more than Tammy has 

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Alex Scott for me. Tammy was absolutely fantastic, in both ability and attitude. But Scott is so versatile and I love the way how at such a young age he is able to control games in midfield. And he has played wing back very effectively too. 

Both superb players and very mature on the pitch. Glad to have seen them in our shirt. 

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I think Scott will go on to have a better career than Tammy has. 

Whilst Tammy is/was talented and I always knew he'd play for England he is just below that bar of being elite like a Kane. 

Scott however I feel has the potential to reach that top elite level. England don't generally produce midfielders like Alex Scott. 

Tammy is just another striker in a long list of England strikers that just fell slightly short.

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14 hours ago, Bris Red said:

Interesting. I think Scott is a fabulous player but IMO it is still to early to say he will go ‘further’ than Tammy. Whilst what we are seeing from Scott in the championship is unbelievable for a 19 year old, the step up to the Prem is huge.

I have no doubt that Scott will become a very decent player at the top level but will he kick on and make numerous caps for England and go abroad to a top league and hold his own like Tammy has? It’s a hard one to predict to be honest.  

Completely agree with this. Scott is doing it at a much lower level but def has the potential to be a very good Premier League player. Too early to have debates like this really.

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13 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

Maria Whittaker was better at 19 than either of them. ?

Tammy btw.

One of the really random things that’s stuck in my head is that Ms Whittaker is married to 80’s/90’s rap/dance star “Rebel MC”. Street Tuff was a hell of a tune.

Leilani Dowling, also of P3 fame, is now a conspiracy theorist.

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Really interesting question. Tricky because they're different positions and very different styles of player.

One metric could be how far did we expect Abraham to go by age 25, and where do we expect Scott to be at the same age?

Abraham played at various Premier League clubs - with good scoring records at each, and is now doing pretty well for Roma. He's had a few England caps, and is a bit unlucky to be in the same era as a time when England tend to play 1 out and out centre forward, and have Harry Kane. 

I think one thing that will perhaps enable Scott to go further is his versatility. He's clearly more comfortable as an attacking minded midfielder, but can play a variety of positions. Abraham doesn't have that luxury, and is only really effective as a centre forward. In the modern game where systems are so fluid, and lots of teams play with a single centre forward, this will obviously favour Scott. 

Both have lots of natural ability, but in different ways. Scott is skilful, has great vision and dribbling whereas Abraham has that unteachable instinct for goalscoring. 

You could argue Abraham has benefitted from being at Chelsea, but this is entirely dependent on how you view it. If Scott was at Chelsea or a similar club, he'd have likely spent a couple of years out on loan as Abraham did - perhaps to better sides than us. Impossible to say whether this would have been better for his development than being a regular fixture in a middling championship club. 

By 25 - would we expect Scott to have played more games in the Prem and/or for higher ranked clubs than Abraham with more than 11 England caps? If I had to make a call one way of the other, I'd probably say yes. Some of that though will be by virtue of his comparative versatility. 

Really good question - lots to consider.

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22 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

One of the really random things that’s stuck in my head is that Ms Whittaker is married to 80’s/90’s rap/dance star “Rebel MC”. Street Tuff was a hell of a tune.

Leilani Dowling, also of P3 fame, is now a conspiracy theorist.

(Scott)

It always makes me feel slightly uncomfortable when people talk about Maria Whittaker. I can still remember the big build up in The Sun to her 16th birthday. They would have full page photo shoots of her in swimsuits etc with stories about how she was 15 so couldn't yet go topless, along with 'only 6 days to go' type stories. Then on her 16th birthday they splashed her all over Page 3.

It seemed questionable to me at the time ( I was only 17/18 myself!), and they definitely wouldn't be able to do it now.

P.S. Back on topic - I think Alex Scott is the better player at 19, Tammy was an amazing goalscorer and didn't have too much else to his game, but who needs it when you're like him?

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25 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

One of the really random things that’s stuck in my head is that Ms Whittaker is married to 80’s/90’s rap/dance star “Rebel MC”. Street Tuff was a hell of a tune.

Leilani Dowling, also of P3 fame, is now a conspiracy theorist.

(Scott)

Is he a Yankee no I'm a Londoner! Great tune.

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35 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

One of the really random things that’s stuck in my head is that Ms Whittaker is married to 80’s/90’s rap/dance star “Rebel MC”. Street Tuff was a hell of a tune.

Leilani Dowling, also of P3 fame, is now a conspiracy theorist.

(Scott)

Top tune!

Now goes by "Congo Natty" and was instrumental in popularising jungle music in the mid 90s

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2 hours ago, Super said:

Completely agree with this. Scott is doing it at a much lower level but def has the potential to be a very good Premier League player. Too early to have debates like this really.

Agreed. There is nothing to say that Scott does step up to the Premier League to a lower or upper mid table club and has the same sort of trajectory that Bobby Reid has had.
Bobby has done really well in the Prem but he isn’t a world beater at that level, a very solid performer but in reality is still a way off ever playing for a top 4 side. Scott could follow the same sort of path IMO.

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9 minutes ago, Bris Red said:

Agreed. There is nothing to say that Scott does step up to the Premier League to a lower or upper mid table club and has the same sort of trajectory that Bobby Reid has had.
Bobby has done really well in the Prem but he isn’t a world beater at that level, a very solid performer but in reality is still a way off ever playing for a top 4 side. Scott could follow the same sort of path IMO.

Agree with this. Reid has actually surprised me a little bit as he seems to be one of the first names on the teamsheet for Fulham. The last thing Scott wants to do is be like a Djed Spence going to a big club and not playing.

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