formerly known as ivan Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 Hearing a lot of similarities between Manning and Lee Johnson. Young up and coming coach, attention to detail, philosophy, forward thinking and ready to take us to the next level. Is it a fair comparison or are they miles apart? How long before we hear Manning talking about the measurements of the grass or balls in the box? What is the biggest difference that will give Manning the chance to succeed where Johnson failed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 Two very different journeys to where they are in terms of Bristol City appointment. Not sure a comparison is that telling either way. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 Manning has significantly more experience. He’s interesting in that he’s very young for a manager but also has 15+ years experience of coaching and 3 previous clubs. He had all three battling at the top of their respective leagues, though struggled at the end of his MK Dons tenure after having his squad pillaged. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 Manning has done a hell of a lot more in his coaching career to earn this opportunity. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted November 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 Is more coaching more beneficial to having a career playing though? Genuinely interested, this not a dig at either manager, just want to know peoples thoughts in what will make them different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristored Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 Lazy comparison. Manning streets ahead of LJ. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davefevs Posted November 8, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 It won’t happen, but I just want everyone to judge LM on his own merits. 32 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristored Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: It won’t happen, but I just want everyone to judge LM on his own merits. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Cristored said: Lazy comparison. Manning streets ahead of LJ. You thought that Holden was streets ahead of LJ Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 Miles apart. I think Manning is closer to Pearson in more ways. When he talks about behaviours as working hard, running, winning hun duels, wanting to learn. It’s pretty similar to Nige. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Cristored said: Lazy comparison. Manning streets ahead of LJ. Of that there is little doubt. 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: It won’t happen, but I just want everyone to judge LM on his own merits. I think most will, there are some serious doubts about his lack of experience at this level, but no question that he has had relative success below the championship. QPR is just one game, but a bit like cornick’s miss in his first game the result is all important for future belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 They are similar in that their first initial is L 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristored Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Countryfile said: Of that there is little doubt. I think most will, there are some serious doubts about his lack of experience at this level, but no question that he has had relative success below the championship. QPR is just one game, but a bit like cornick’s miss in his first game the result is all important for future belief. I would argue that there were serious doubts about Pearson at this level, due to the big time frame between coming here and his success….look at Hughes at Bradford sacked in L2 despite being a former prem regular manager. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It won’t happen, but I just want everyone to judge LM on his own merits. Exactly. People comparing him to LJ is disrespectful. Besides both being young coaches at Ashton Gate, they are miles away from each other’s development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Cristored said: I would argue that there were serious doubts about Pearson at this level, due to the big time frame between coming here and his success….look at Hughes at Bradford sacked in L2 despite being a former prem regular manager. Not sure you have replied to my post? However I’m talking about self belief moving forward, LM will definitely have some doubts about operating at Championship level, a win at QPR will go some to calming those first game nerves, I’m convinced Cornick would have been a better player had he converted that first golden chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 Seriously we won’t be able to compare them properly until LM has spent 5 years with us. Even then, the setup that existed when LJ was at the helm (Deano, Ashton) will be very different to Liam’s tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Henry said: Miles apart. I think Manning is closer to Pearson in more ways. When he talks about behaviours as working hard, running, winning hun duels, wanting to learn. It’s pretty similar to Nige. Yep LM seems more like a younger version of our never to be forgotten NP? ........ Rather than any kind of similarity to Little Lee, I would like to think that our new coach would get on well with NP, as their football philosophies appear to be of a similar nature? I am aware that it could never happen, but with NP as manager and LM as coach we would have had the Dream Team! Ha! Edited November 8, 2023 by maxjak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Is more coaching more beneficial to having a career playing though? Genuinely interested, this not a dig at either manager, just want to know peoples thoughts in what will make them different. Following his appointment I read a post asking whether he'd actually played professionally ( in response to his 20 or so years coaching). When I was in financial services it was often said that the best salespeople invariably don't make the best sales managers. Different qualities and skills are required for each roll. Many top players are expected to succeed in management or coaching because of their experience of being coached/managed by top coaches and managers. Despite this, many fail. I'd like to think that Manning's coaching experience and knowledge,despite his age, is of greater value in his roll than would be having played at the top of the game. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 50 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Hearing a lot of similarities between Manning and Lee Johnson. Young up and coming coach, attention to detail, philosophy, forward thinking and ready to take us to the next level. Is it a fair comparison or are they miles apart? How long before we hear Manning talking about the measurements of the grass or balls in the box? What is the biggest difference that will give Manning the chance to succeed where Johnson failed? The only similarity is they are (were) in LJ’s case young . Johnson didn’t have a philosophy . Plus LM is straighter talking & no bullshit bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 54 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Hearing a lot of similarities between Manning and Lee Johnson. Young up and coming coach, attention to detail, philosophy, forward thinking and ready to take us to the next level. Is it a fair comparison or are they miles apart? How long before we hear Manning talking about the measurements of the grass or balls in the box? What is the biggest difference that will give Manning the chance to succeed where Johnson failed? Less bullshit? no camel coat and flat cap? not GJ’s son? not ex player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 Absolutely no comparison with each other. Manning had a very short career as a player but has spent nearly two decades in coaching and not only in this country. Johnson played for his father for 90% of his career. Nuff said. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 @W-S-M Seagull I noticed you laughed at people saying Manning has done better in his short career? Any reason? I didn’t see Johnson making a Play off final and guiding a unfancied team to second? I understand you’re underwhelmed but I can’t see how you can’t agree on this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, downendcity said: Following his appointment I read a post asking whether he'd actually played professionally ( in response to his 20 or so years coaching). When I was in financial services it was often said that the best salespeople invariably don't make the best sales managers. Different qualities and skills are required for each roll. Many top players are expected to succeed in management or coaching because of their experience of being coached/managed by top coaches and managers. Despite this, many fail. I'd like to think that Manning's coaching experience and knowledge,despite his age, is of greater value in his roll than would be having played at the top of the game. One very good example of a great manager who never played professional football is Lawrie McMacMennamy of Southampton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: One very good example of a great manager who never played professional football is Lawrie McMacMennamy of Southampton. Very Big Mac then! Correct re LM ( ex military iirc). Plenty of others without prominent playing careers - Mourinho and Wenger perhaps the most obvious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanDimz Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) . Edited November 8, 2023 by StefanDimz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalRed Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 22 minutes ago, downendcity said: Following his appointment I read a post asking whether he'd actually played professionally ( in response to his 20 or so years coaching). When I was in financial services it was often said that the best salespeople invariably don't make the best sales managers. Different qualities and skills are required for each roll. Many top players are expected to succeed in management or coaching because of their experience of being coached/managed by top coaches and managers. Despite this, many fail. I'd like to think that Manning's coaching experience and knowledge,despite his age, is of greater value in his roll than would be having played at the top of the game. It all depends on whether he will get the respect from the senior players. I would hope he will but I can imagine some players don't want to be told how to play by someone that didn't play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizyer Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 54 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It won’t happen, but I just want everyone to judge LM on his own merits. @davefevs - you've been on OTIB long enough to know that is never going to happen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: It won’t happen, but I just want everyone to judge LM on his own merits. I can't see any comparisons between the two, so won't be judging them against each other. I expect LM is a lot taller… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 If anyone, he sounds a lot more like Sean O’Driscoll. Processes not outcomes. Younger players can teach older players. Basics are free (hard work, running, effort etc). Give players the right information to be able to make their own decisions on the pitch. All SOD sound bites too. I see a lot of similarities. And that’s not a bad thing. SOD had the right principles - it just failed badly here 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 8, 2023 Report Share Posted November 8, 2023 Has LM has got one of these? 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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