Never to the dark side Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 Scott in the starting line up, Semenyo on the bench live on BBC red button freeview 601 starts at 19:20pm kick off 19:30pm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never to the dark side Posted February 27 Author Report Share Posted February 27 delayed start of Blackburn v Newcastle due to a match day ticket issue at the Newcastle end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 5 minutes ago, mason said: Lets add to these 2 with the divs top scorer banging them in at Blackburn, some guy at Coventry now who is running the show, prem goalie at Wolves, other ex players at prem Fulham/Brighton and promo chasing pompey did us some real good selling them otherwise we wouldnt have got to where we are today......no-where We also seem to bung millions at fav managers and then employ cash starved exp managers to get us out of the sh1te; NP, SC would have the backing of many fans but cash starved and would face an impossible task. So we have a ex player who has failed as a manager, and a inexp manager chosen by someone who would rather be anywhere but here....future looks bright SHITE If we hadn’t sold Scott and Semenyo there is a good chance we’d be in serious financial trouble right now. Szmodics was a serious mistake from Ashton, especially in the same summer as Palmer. Palmer is ‘running the show’ with 1 goal and 2 assists in just over 1000 minutes of championship football. The ‘prem goalie’ at wolves who people were very nonplussed about seeing leave and has played 4 games in 2 seasons there. The likes of Reid and Webster were sold for huge figures and have helped the club stay financially viable, we can’t keep everyone. Marlon Pack’s legs had gone at this level, whatever he’s doing at league one is irrelevant. It’s easy to bash the club for player sales, when in reality only one of the 8 you mention was a poor sale. The others either weren’t good enough, we’re OOC or we made huge profits off of 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 Haaland has 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 Just now, mason said: WE ARE WHERE WE ARE IS DOWN TO ONE MANS MISTAKES, the trouble and financial pain is also down to him and where is he exactly......empire building from afar. This is not our clubs problem we didnt employ shite managers and co...his club,his debt, his fault....zero progress Don’t disagree. However claiming that having Marlon Pack in our midfield would see us in a better place than we are today is just not true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, JBFC II said: Don’t disagree. However claiming that having Marlon Pack in our midfield would see us in a better place than we are today is just not true Keeping him for at least 6 months longer (maybe the season) to allow a smoother transition of Nagy and Massengo might’ve? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Keeping him for at least 6 months longer (maybe the season) to allow a smoother transition of Nagy and Massengo might’ve? Perhaps, but then it’s all one big ‘if’. Main point is, the likes of Pack and Palmer wouldn’t improve us right now imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 35 minutes ago, JBFC II said: If we hadn’t sold Scott and Semenyo there is a good chance we’d be in serious financial trouble right now. Szmodics was a serious mistake from Ashton, especially in the same summer as Palmer. Palmer is ‘running the show’ with 1 goal and 2 assists in just over 1000 minutes of championship football. The ‘prem goalie’ at wolves who people were very nonplussed about seeing leave and has played 4 games in 2 seasons there. The likes of Reid and Webster were sold for huge figures and have helped the club stay financially viable, we can’t keep everyone. Marlon Pack’s legs had gone at this level, whatever he’s doing at league one is irrelevant. It’s easy to bash the club for player sales, when in reality only one of the 8 you mention was a poor sale. The others either weren’t good enough, we’re OOC or we made huge profits off of Don’t agree one bit about Pack - his legs hadn’t gone, he was fine. It was a weird decision to sell him when we did and was a mistake 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 7 minutes ago, Rob k said: Don’t agree one bit about Pack - his legs hadn’t gone, he was fine. It was a weird decision to sell him when we did and was a mistake Fair enough, would disagree. Didn't feel at the time that he was good enough to be a regular at this level anymore, never mind now, and I think his time at Cardiff highlighted that. But very good servant for us and superb player at his peak. The price tag was disappointing at the time but losing him wasn't a huge loss for me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 (edited) 5 hours ago, JBFC II said: Fair enough, would disagree. Didn't feel at the time that he was good enough to be a regular at this level anymore, never mind now, and I think his time at Cardiff highlighted that. But very good servant for us and superb player at his peak. The price tag was disappointing at the time but losing him wasn't a huge loss for me To my mind, the major problem was the fact we spent an entire preseason setting up a particular way and then - having lost Webster, missed out on Nketiah and performed badly in our first game against Leeds - abandoned the formation, sold Pack, signed two new and quite different midfielders, flailed around for a striker and never found a consistent way of playing. I don’t necessarily think losing Pack was the wrong decision but felt like one of several rushed decisions that didn’t reflect a consistent strategy. And I don’t think there was a clear understanding of what Pack offered the team so we didn’t effectively replace his role. I think that, with more of a plan, we could have moved Pack on and developed a stronger team but instead we had an unbalanced midfield which didn’t complement each other and missed Pack’s contribution as nobody else was doing what he had been. Edited February 28 by LondonBristolian 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 8 hours ago, JBFC II said: Fair enough, would disagree. Didn't feel at the time that he was good enough to be a regular at this level anymore, never mind now, and I think his time at Cardiff highlighted that. But very good servant for us and superb player at his peak. The price tag was disappointing at the time but losing him wasn't a huge loss for me Wasn’t there talk of 4 million quid for Pack? Most people thought it was an unbelievable offer that was much too good to turn down added to the diminishing returns on the player’s effectiveness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: Wasn’t there talk of 4 million quid for Pack? Most people thought it was an unbelievable offer that was much too good to turn down added to the diminishing returns on the player’s effectiveness. And more money for the pot, to buy more players, that we wouldn't play , then sell on, and hope to make back the money we wasted on them in the first place. aaannndd repeat. At least , that seemed to be the plan. Edited February 28 by 1960maaan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Wasn’t there talk of 4 million quid for Pack? Most people thought it was an unbelievable offer that was much too good to turn down added to the diminishing returns on the player’s effectiveness. There was indeed, but it wasn’t, it was circa £800k, of which Cheltenham got a cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 (edited) 5 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Wasn’t there talk of 4 million quid for Pack? Most people thought it was an unbelievable offer that was much too good to turn down added to the diminishing returns on the player’s effectiveness. I seem to remember 750k being quoted at the time on here, not sure where either fee came from (Looks like I'm 2 hours behind the @Davefevsfont of knowledge!) Edited February 28 by JBFC II Missed above post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, JBFC II said: I seem to remember 750k being quoted at the time on here, not sure where either fee came from (Looks like I'm 2 hours behind the @Davefevsfont of knowledge!) John Palmer probably. £750k is what I have in my spreadsheets with John’s name against it. At the time I think some people saw the fee above (or £800k), and that John has written that Cheltenham were due 20% of £800k, but had read it (myself included) that Cheltenham were getting £800k, there if that’s 20%, then the fee must be £4m. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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