Yu

[Charlie0016]

Deserves his own thread IMO.

 

Something positive about yesterday was he made his debut and looked sharp when he came on. 2 weeks training will do him the world of good and he should be starting over the non existent Sykes in the next game. 
 

yuuuuuuuuuuuu

[broodje]

He looked alright - not really much to go on. 

Did look like he under-hit a few of his passes and left his receiving man a bit short from what I paid attention to

[M.D]

Is he away now with Japan at whatever level over the international break?

[Simon bristol]

7 minutes ago, M.D said:

Is he away now with Japan at whatever level over the international break?

Oh god, dont say that!!

[Finley_Smith10]

The faster Sykes is put on the bench the better

[italian dave]

28 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said:

The faster Sykes is put on the bench the better

Faster than he shifted yesterday…..

[Shauntaylor85]

As I’ve been saying consistently, we needed another winger badly and should have traded one of Mehmeti or Sykes. Both are mid table players, even if that in Mehemti’s case who has been a massive disappointment after all the hype at Wycombe. Even Nixon said he was the best signing of that Jan window! He’s played within himself for too long now. 

[BCFCGav]

Hirakawa for Sykes is one of four changes I’d like to see against Blackburn, but I don’t think Manning will go that far. 
 

I’d go:

Max: Tanner, Vyner, Atkinson (if match ready), Pring: Bird, Williams: Yu, Twine, Anis: Mayulu.

[wheretheheartis]

Always looked to go past his fullback. Looks very sharp and can go both ways. Looks promising.

[italian dave]

11 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

Hirakawa for Sykes is one of four changes I’d like to see against Blackburn, but I don’t think Manning will go that far. 
 

I’d go:

Max: Tanner, Vyner, Atkinson (if match ready), Pring: Bird, Williams: Yu, Twine, Anis: Mayulu.

The only one I’d disagree with is Mayulu. I still think the ‘Armstrong to batter them for one half and then Mayulu to take on some tired defenders second’ strategy has legs.

He ain’t going to drop his captain though, is he? And that (in terms of how you then fit in Bird and Twine) is becoming a problem. So, not disagreeing with you, just don’t see it happening. 

[BCFCGav]

3 minutes ago, italian dave said:

The only one I’d disagree with is Mayulu. I still think the ‘Armstrong to batter them for one half and then Mayulu to take on some tired defenders second’ strategy has legs.

He ain’t going to drop his captain though, is he? And that (in terms of how you then fit in Bird and Twine) is becoming a problem. So, not disagreeing with you, just don’t see it happening. 

I should have clarified - Sinclair wasn’t being ‘dropped’ for me. He was out the team as I feel in Hirakawa, Twine and Anis we have lots of pace and creativity so just need the ‘finisher’. I do like what Armstrong brings and wouldn’t be upset to see him start at all. 
 

Knight’s captaincy does add another layer to the conundrum doesn’t it

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, M.D said:

Is he away now with Japan at whatever level over the international break?

He’s never played for Japan at full international level, so no idea why you would think that.

They have a WC qualifier next Thursday, he isn’t in the squad.

Great to see him make his debut but I do think we are going to have to go very slowly with him, I doubt very much he starts at Blackburn.

Agree with the post about a couple of good touches but he is going to find the physical nature a challenge & to get up to speed after his injury.

[Supersonic Robin]

23 minutes ago, italian dave said:

The only one I’d disagree with is Mayulu. I still think the ‘Armstrong to batter them for one half and then Mayulu to take on some tired defenders second’ strategy has legs.

I get the thinking with this one, and in fairness it has seemed to work at times.

My biggest concern is the general principle of it. It almost implies that we're not expecting to score in the first 60 minutes. I can't think of many teams who have their best goalscorer on the bench for the vast majority of each game.

[1960maaan]

33 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

Hirakawa for Sykes is one of four changes I’d like to see against Blackburn, but I don’t think Manning will go that far. 
 

I’d go:

Max: Tanner, Vyner, Atkinson (if match ready), Pring: Bird, Williams: Yu, Twine, Anis: Mayulu.

That might as well be 4-2-4 the midfield 2 would get little or no help in a defensive way . Atkinson IMO won't be playing 90 minutes for a while , I would guess McNally will be tried first and Atkinson getting minutes increasing over time. 
Yu came on in a game we were chasing and played 7 minutes . Big difference in that situation and playing from the start. 

My questions are where do we play Twine and Bird ? Yesterday we were good for most of the first half , Manning won't bin everything just yet.  
We were poor attacking from the left ,everything seemed to go down the right , Twine drifting in too much which reduced Birds space and isolated Pring . That needs looking at , though fixing the above fixes this. 

I don't expect too many changes . Naismith's place must be in doubt , we need to sort the ALMF and the "10" but that's tactical not personnel . I may be in the minority, but I thought Sykes was ok yesterday , does a lot of un noticed work and off the ball that a true winger might not.

Mayulu will surely get a start soon , but I don't think he's ready yet. Those 2 chances that Armstrong got yesterday , I'm not sure Mayulu gets onto them. He would need a ball to feet and beat his man, where Armstrong can use his pace and power to do the same. 
If I had to have a stab in the dark , I'd guess .

[Mr Popodopolous]

 Bird on the right, Sykes on the left??

Edited September 1 by Mr Popodopolous

[REDOXO]

Hayden Roberts played well at the end of last season. He is very unlucky not to be picked to start!

[old_eastender]

1 hour ago, wheretheheartis said:

Always looked to go past his fullback. Looks very sharp and can go both ways. Looks promising.

Yep first time he receive the ball he took on their fullback and won a corner, Sykes had loads of chances to do that and never did once. Needs to be benched.

[Jose]

That team above is hideous. Cant argue that Sykes and Mehmeti are offering nothing and it’s killing us. 

[Puckle_red]

It needs a Manager/Head Coach strong enough to pick the best team for that game at that time. I'm not sure Manning is. 

Bird should play deeper as per 80% of his career to date. Twine should play 10. Then 2 from Mehmeti, Sykes, Yu in wide positions. Problem is, he would have to drop his captain or Joe Williams and I dont think he's brave enough to do either which is why we end up lopsided yesterday, like we regularly have since he came in.

[1960maaan]

26 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

 Bird on the right, Sykes on the left??

How I think Manning might go as he likes inverted wide men. Personally I don't like Sykes on the left , but LM has tried him a few times.
Bird on the left feels wrong , though it might work, and we do need to change something as Twine clearly didn't want to stay wide yesterday . Whether planned or just Twine playing off the cuff, it meant Bird's space to play was affected and Pring got no help down the left. 

[Antman]

earlier last season Sykes was great, dangerous and getting goals.

i know for a fact he doesn't like playing on the left because i talked to him about it!

 

so before we burn him at the stake, lets think on whats happened? poor coaching perhaps - not playing to his strengths?

 

[italian dave]

1 hour ago, Supersonic Robin said:

I get the thinking with this one, and in fairness it has seemed to work at times.

My biggest concern is the general principle of it. It almost implies that we're not expecting to score in the first 60 minutes. I can't think of many teams who have their best goalscorer on the bench for the vast majority of each game.

Fair comment.

Armstrong can and has scored though.

And you could argue that one reason why Mayulu has got his goals is precisely because he’s come on when he has, against a battered defence!

We tried it the other way round v Coventry in the Cup - and neither scored!!

I don’t know; who’d be a manager, eh?!!

[italian dave]

48 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Hayden Roberts played well at the end of last season. He is very unlucky not to be picked to start!

Agreed; I like Roberts.

Although given how the other two ex-Derby players seemed to react to being back at Pride Park, maybe it’s better he didn’t make an appearance yesterday!!

[frenchred]

1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

That might as well be 4-2-4 the midfield 2 would get little or no help in a defensive way . Atkinson IMO won't be playing 90 minutes for a while , I would guess McNally will be tried first and Atkinson getting minutes increasing over time. 
Yu came on in a game we were chasing and played 7 minutes . Big difference in that situation and playing from the start. 

My questions are where do we play Twine and Bird ? Yesterday we were good for most of the first half , Manning won't bin everything just yet.  
We were poor attacking from the left ,everything seemed to go down the right , Twine drifting in too much which reduced Birds space and isolated Pring . That needs looking at , though fixing the above fixes this. 

I don't expect too many changes . Naismith's place must be in doubt , we need to sort the ALMF and the "10" but that's tactical not personnel . I may be in the minority, but I thought Sykes was ok yesterday , does a lot of un noticed work and off the ball that a true winger might not.

Mayulu will surely get a start soon , but I don't think he's ready yet. Those 2 chances that Armstrong got yesterday , I'm not sure Mayulu gets onto them. He would need a ball to feet and beat his man, where Armstrong can use his pace and power to do the same. 
If I had to have a stab in the dark , I'd guess .

Are you on drugs?

Round pegs in round holes!

You've got oblong pegs in duodecogon holes!

[1960maaan]

19 minutes ago, frenchred said:

Are you on drugs?

Round pegs in round holes!

You've got oblong pegs in duodecogon holes!

1) If you read my earlier reply I said it was what I thought Manning might try , not me. 
He has played Sykes on the left and persistently plays Mehmeti there , he seems to like that inverted wide player. 
He likes his wide players moving inside, which is easier for players playing on their "wrong" side. 

2) Not sure anyone else is wrong peg wrong hole.

3) No drugs unless you include Blood pressure tablets or nasal spray.

[M.D]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

He’s never played for Japan at full international level, so no idea why you would think that.

Thats why I said at whatever level..

[Sir Colby-Tit]

It's been twenty six hours and fifteen minutes 

Since Yu played Derby away

I went out last night and drank cider all day

Since Yu played Derby away

Since Yu been here we can play however we want

Yu can skin whomever Yu choose

Yu can play your football in Ashton Gate

But nothing

I said nothing can take away these blues

'Cause nothing compares

Nothing compares to Yu

[frenchred]

14 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

1) If you read my earlier reply I said it was what I thought Manning might try , not me. 
He has played Sykes on the left and persistently plays Mehmeti there , he seems to like that inverted wide player. 
He likes his wide players moving inside, which is easier for players playing on their "wrong" side. 

2) Not sure anyone else is wrong peg wrong hole.

3) No drugs unless you include Blood pressure tablets or nasal spray.

Bird? Signed as a 6 and you got him on the wing basically!

[Mr Popodopolous]

A problem I see with that setup is that if Bird is in the right and naturally more central, well central basically won't like Twine he drift inside thereby leaving Tanner exposed and or crowding Twine out a bit like Twine crowding him out the other day.

Sykes on the left..don't think he is that Profile of Player.

[1960maaan]

5 minutes ago, frenchred said:

Bird? Signed as a 6 and you got him on the wing basically!

As a right side attacking midfielder actually , we don't play with wingers. Twine turned that same position into a left sided 10 yesterday , while Bird was already a 10. 

Whether he played as a 6 / 10 / 8 or whatever , it is to some extent fluid. I had Bird in the same position as Twine and Sykes played yesterday, they played it very differently. I think how Twine played it impacted on Bird , and not in a good way. 
I was trying to think how LM might change things . Bird 10 and Twine wide looked like it was working , until yesterday. Looking at some of the team choices on another thread people want 4/5 attackers in the team , a team that is unable to keep a clean sheet. I thought Manning would want Williams & Knight , but be able to keep Sykes & Bird for some solidity. 

[AppyDAZE]

20 minutes ago, Sir Colby-Tit said:

It's been twenty six hours and fifteen minutes 

Since Yu played Derby away

I went out last night and drank cider all day

Since Yu played Derby away

Since Yu been here we can play however we want

Yu can skin whomever Yu choose

Yu can play your football in Ashton Gate

But nothing

I said nothing can take away these blues

'Cause nothing compares

Nothing compares to Yu

Should have the number 2 shirt.

[1960maaan]

12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

A problem I see with that setup is that if Bird is in the right and naturally more central, well central basically won't like Twine he drift inside thereby leaving Tanner exposed and or crowding Twine out a bit like Twine crowding him out the other day.

Sykes on the left..don't think he is that Profile of Player.

As I said what I thought Manning might try.
The way Mehmeti and Twine play that role they do drift inside , Sykes ( being right footed ) stays wider and plays it differently . 
Being more midfield minded I think he could give a little better cover than Mehmeti does on the other side. 
Just my thoughts , I'd actually play something like 
                    OLeary
Tanner - Vyner - McNally - Pring
     .           . Williams.
      Sykes - - Bird  - - Knight
                   Twine
                 Armstrong

Or even 2x 10's with Bird and Twine , though they didn't share the space well yesterday.
 

[frenchred]

1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

As a right side attacking midfielder actually , we don't play with wingers. Twine turned that same position into a left sided 10 yesterday , while Bird was already a 10. 

Whether he played as a 6 / 10 / 8 or whatever , it is to some extent fluid. I had Bird in the same position as Twine and Sykes played yesterday, they played it very differently. I think how Twine played it impacted on Bird , and not in a good way. 
I was trying to think how LM might change things . Bird 10 and Twine wide looked like it was working , until yesterday. Looking at some of the team choices on another thread people want 4/5 attackers in the team , a team that is unable to keep a clean sheet. I thought Manning would want Williams & Knight , but be able to keep Sykes & Bird for some solidity. 

If we don't play with wingers why have we signed harikawa?

[1960maaan]

Just now, frenchred said:

If we don't play with wingers why have we signed harikawa?

I did wonder 

 

Subtle difference I guess but Mehmeti & Bell down the left never played like wingers, Sykes plays like a wide AMF , though he is the nearest to a genuine winger staying wide(r). 
Hirakawa played like a winger yesterday, staying out on the touchline , but we were chasing a goal . I imagine he has been brought in to play like the wide players we have used recently, cutting and leaving space for the FB to overlap . It's semantics I guess , winger / wide midfielder or whatever , but I see more in Yu than someone who stays wide and knocks crosses . 

[MarcusX]

1 hour ago, frenchred said:

Bird? Signed as a 6 and you got him on the wing basically!

As opposed to Twine signed as a 10 and playing on the wing?

[frenchred]

50 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

As opposed to Twine signed as a 10 and playing on the wing?

Exactly what I was saying, play players in their correct position!

[Mr Chappers]

Can’t judge on that performance, stayed wide, looked busy, but never beat his man to get a cross in. Case of wait and see, no good just hoping.

[QuedgeRed]

I’m sure I saw him do the Walshy shuffle.

[Back of the Dolman]

Is it just me, but reading through the last few comments about selections and what we think LM will do, it sounds like we’re in a complete mess with regards to who we’ve signed, how we intend to play them or what our actual style or formation should be.

[LondonBristolian]

8 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

As I’ve been saying consistently, we needed another winger badly and should have traded one of Mehmeti or Sykes. Both are mid table players, even if that in Mehemti’s case who has been a massive disappointment after all the hype at Wycombe. Even Nixon said he was the best signing of that Jan window! He’s played within himself for too long now. 

If you’re saying it consistently, back yourself up.

List out here who you think made or wanted to make a bid for Sykes or Mehmeti that would have represented a good player for the club. If you know clubs were interested and good offers were out there, then you are making a good point. But back yourself up if so and tell us what those offers were.

But if you are criticising the club for not cashing in on players due to their refusal to accept bids that did not in actual fact exist than you are just spouting facile hot air.

[Mr Popodopolous]

22 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said:

Is it just me, but reading through the last few comments about selections and what we think LM will do, it sounds like we’re in a complete mess with regards to who we’ve signed, how we intend to play them or what our actual style or formation should be.

Failures at a Strategic Planning level?

A lack of coherence etc.

[cheddarwedlocker]

He drinks asahi, he loves karate, the boys fkin magic

Incoming generation z calling me racist

Edited September 1 by cheddarwedlocker

[pillred]

1 hour ago, QuedgeRed said:

I’m sure I saw him do the Walshy shuffle.

Worked every time :laugh:.

[Fuber]

16 hours ago, italian dave said:

The only one I’d disagree with is Mayulu. I still think the ‘Armstrong to batter them for one half and then Mayulu to take on some tired defenders second’ strategy has legs.

He ain’t going to drop his captain though, is he? And that (in terms of how you then fit in Bird and Twine) is becoming a problem. So, not disagreeing with you, just don’t see it happening. 

I'd agree to a point however I'd argue it should be other way around.

The problem with Sincs is as we saw against Derby.

Concede first, opposition sit back, and his pace in behind means very little.

[grifty]

15 hours ago, Back of the Dolman said:

Is it just me, but reading through the last few comments about selections and what we think LM will do, it sounds like we’re in a complete mess with regards to who we’ve signed, how we intend to play them or what our actual style or formation should be.

Don’t confuse what posters on here think they know to what is actually happening in the club!

[Mr Popodopolous]

6 minutes ago, grifty said:

Don’t confuse what posters on here think they know to what is actually happening in the club!

Sadly we see it with some of the lopsided selections.

Leaving that big gap on the left, getting Pring exposed.

Early days but it is possible to be internally aligned, even if in a flawed direction.

[grifty]

2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Sadly we see it with some of the lopsided selections.

Leaving that big gap on the left, getting Pring exposed.

Early days but it is possible to be internally aligned, even if in a flawed direction.

It’s more the fact that people don’t understand Yus role despite him playing 7 minutes so automatically the club is buying random players for no particular system.

You can clearly see a system, we are just not implementing it well. The example would be the passing move which lead to Twines shot which was blocked by (I think) the defender. Passes through Knight and Bird, then out to the winger for a ball across for 2/3 to slot home. We see it in the training videos all the time.

Prings been poor for a long time, quite a number of goals have come from his side or as a direct consequence of his tackling. Either needs to be dropped or somehow get his confidence back to start charging at players again. He did it once against Derby and then messed up a simple 10 yard pass.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, grifty said:

It’s more the fact that people don’t understand Yus role despite him playing 7 minutes so automatically the club is buying random players for no particular system.

You can clearly see a system, we are just not implementing it well. The example would be the passing move which lead to Twines shot which was blocked by (I think) the defender. Passes through Knight and Bird, then out to the winger for a ball across for 2/3 to slot home. We see it in the training videos all the time.

Prings been poor for a long time, quite a number of goals have come from his side or as a direct consequence of his tackling. Either needs to be dropped or somehow get his confidence back to start charging at players again. He did it once against Derby and then messed up a simple 10 yard pass.

Fair point on Yu. The idea of him at Wingback by one poster is novel. Is he a more traditional winger, a more fluid winger or something else entirely?

I'm unsure the system or the gaps help Pring. As Roberts can drift inside more naturally I wonder if he is worth a go at LB.

[grifty]

4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Fair point on Yu. The idea of him at Wingback by one poster is novel. Is he a more traditional winger, a more fluid winger or something else entirely?

I'm unsure the system or the gaps help Pring. As Roberts can drift inside more naturally I wonder if he is worth a go at LB.

We can only go on YouTube really and he looked like he was competent with both feet so can operate on either side.

Id love to see Roberts get an extended period playing whether at LCB or LB. I think he was one of our best performers in those last 6/7 games and often felt he would also be the one to make something happen up top.

missing Dickie could be a blessing (have to try something different) or a curse (Dickies performances allowed other players to relax and focus on attacking)

[cotswoldred2]

22 hours ago, Sir Colby-Tit said:

It's been twenty six hours and fifteen minutes 

Since Yu played Derby away

I went out last night and drank cider all day

Since Yu played Derby away

Since Yu been here we can play however we want

Yu can skin whomever Yu choose

Yu can play your football in Ashton Gate

But nothing

I said nothing can take away these blues

'Cause nothing compares

Nothing compares to Yu

I feel a tear coming on.

Very good.

[fanjita]

26 minutes ago, grifty said:

We can only go on YouTube really and he looked like he was competent with both feet so can operate on either side.

Id love to see Roberts get an extended period playing whether at LCB or LB. I think he was one of our best performers in those last 6/7 games and often felt he would also be the one to make something happen up top.

missing Dickie could be a blessing (have to try something different) or a curse (Dickies performances allowed other players to relax and focus on attacking)

Agree regarding Roberts 

[Davefevs]

57 minutes ago, grifty said:

It’s more the fact that people don’t understand Yus role despite him playing 7 minutes so automatically the club is buying random players for no particular system.

You can clearly see a system, we are just not implementing it well. The example would be the passing move which lead to Twines shot which was blocked by (I think) the defender. Passes through Knight and Bird, then out to the winger for a ball across for 2/3 to slot home. We see it in the training videos all the time.

Prings been poor for a long time, quite a number of goals have come from his side or as a direct consequence of his tackling. Either needs to be dropped or somehow get his confidence back to start charging at players again. He did it once against Derby and then messed up a simple 10 yard pass.

Alternate view to both bold bits…the system has weaknesses that are being exposed and exploited by our opponents.

[Midred]

23 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Alternate view to both bold bits…the system has weaknesses that are being exposed and exploited by our opponents.

I think Derby worked out that Pring was left by himself on that side so once he was up the pitch they only had to kick diagonally to that corner which they did effectively and created chances. It's alright bringing in players to roam at will but that more often than not leaves huge gaps for the opposition to run into.

[ProfitInMyPocket]

Yu will compete with Sykes for that right wing spot. 

Mehmeti will back up Twine for that left inside spot. 

We play a poor version of that Ipswich side last year with a wide player tucking in and letting Pring bomb on like Leif Davis did last year. 

Pring's got to get through a lot of running and he's gunna be exposed quite a lot by teams with an actual game plan. 

Without the help and cover from our basic midfield two he's gunna burn out and get injured.

We are only going to play with one 'winger' on that right side from now. And the opposition didn't take long to find out our weaknesses.

Edited September 2 by ProfitInMyPocket