Tammy Abraham - The Greatest of them all?

[cheddarwedlocker]

Scored a goal at San Siro tonight for AC and its made me wonder. Has anyone ever actually hit these heights before, who used to wear our shirt?

Abrahams class, composure and his fight has got him to where he is now, from scrappy tap ins at Burton away, to being our top scorer and arguably the best young striker in the league (on two occasions) Champions League win with Chelsea, England caps and call ups, playing under Mourinho, playing for (imo) the biggest club in Italy.

It doesn’t get much better no?

[Ian M]

34 minutes ago, cheddarwedlocker said:

Scored a goal at San Siro tonight for AC and its made me wonder. Has anyone ever actually hit these heights before, who used to wear our shirt?

Abrahams class, composure and his fight has got him to where he is now, from scrappy tap ins at Burton away, to being our top scorer and arguably the best young striker in the league (on two occasions) Champions League win with Chelsea, England caps and call ups, playing under Mourinho, playing for (imo) the biggest club in Italy.

It doesn’t get much better no?

Andy Cole would be my shout.

[Dredd]

Only Andy Cole I reckon:

4th highest PL goalscorer in history 

Played 15 times for England 

British transfer record

PL golden boot

5 PL titles, 2 FA cup, 1 League cup and a Champions League

Someone's going to to have to go some way to beat that  

 

 

 

[Spike]

As said, Cole was far better than Tammy in terms of talent and success, I don't think we'll ever see another Bristol City player hit his level of success. 

[SydneyCity]

Andy Cole, Tammy Abraham and I’d put an outside bet on Antoine Semenyo getting up there at some point.

[Guest]

Both Cole and Abraham played 41 games for BC, the most successful in that time at our club was Tammy with 23 goals, Cole had 20. 

[MarcusX]

6 hours ago, cheddarwedlocker said:

Scored a goal at San Siro tonight for AC and its made me wonder. Has anyone ever actually hit these heights before, who used to wear our shirt?

Abrahams class, composure and his fight has got him to where he is now, from scrappy tap ins at Burton away, to being our top scorer and arguably the best young striker in the league (on two occasions) Champions League win with Chelsea, England caps and call ups, playing under Mourinho, playing for (imo) the biggest club in Italy.

It doesn’t get much better no?

Andy Cole without doubt, he won a treble.

[italian dave]

The other difference between the two is that Andy Cole was actually our player!!

[Yozzarian]

7 hours ago, cheddarwedlocker said:

Scored a goal at San Siro tonight for AC and its made me wonder. Has anyone ever actually hit these heights before, who used to wear our shirt?

Abrahams class, composure and his fight has got him to where he is now, from scrappy tap ins at Burton away, to being our top scorer and arguably the best young striker in the league (on two occasions) Champions League win with Chelsea, England caps and call ups, playing under Mourinho, playing for (imo) the biggest club in Italy.

It doesn’t get much better no?

Andy Cole. Most talented striker to put on the shirt.

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

1 minute ago, Yozzarian said:

Andy Cole. Most talented striker to put on the shirt.

John Atyeo, mate!

[One Team]

As others have said, Andy Cole has clearly been our most successful ex player. Tammy was superb but hasn’t achieved, at least yet, his level of success. 

[Yozzarian]

3 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

John Atyeo, mate!

I mean, you make a good point.

[italian dave]

2 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

John Atyeo, mate!

I raise you Fatty Wedlock…..

[Jackson Lamb]

Andy Cole. Very much an underrated forward.

[LondonBristolian]

2 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

John Atyeo, mate!

I'm going to commit an act of blasphemy here. I'm way too young to remember Atyeo and make a fair comparison but - whilst Atyeo is very possibly the best ever Bristol City striker - I'd argue Cole is the best striker to ever play for Bristol City at some point in his career. Atyeo didn't have much of a top flight career whereas Cole spent his career competing for top flight titles. 

[Severn Beach Pigeon]

3 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

I'm going to commit an act of blasphemy here. I'm way too young to remember Atyeo and make a fair comparison but - whilst Atyeo is very possibly the best ever Bristol City striker - I'd argue Cole is the best striker to ever play for Bristol City at some point in his career. Atyeo didn't have much of a top flight career whereas Cole spent his career competing for top flight titles. 

Partly self inflicted though?

The committee that picked England squads stopped selecting Atyeo because he was part time.

Sure I read we turned down big (relative to the time) money offers from some big European clubs before too.

[Superjack]

1 hour ago, Severn Beach Pigeon said:

Partly self inflicted though?

The committee that picked England squads stopped selecting Atyeo because he was part time.

Sure I read we turned down big (relative to the time) money offers from some big European clubs before too.

Probably because Atyeo didn't want to go. 

 

In those days, things like that mattered.

[downendcity]

9 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

John Atyeo, mate!

2 hours ago, Superjack said:

Probably because Atyeo didn't want to go. 

 

In those days, things like that mattered.

You mean before agents?

 

[jj77]

Joe Jordan has scored at the San Siro.

[GrahamC]

23 hours ago, The Coach said:

Andy Cole. Very much an underrated forward.

By who?

Morons?

Anyone who has read what @Dredd has detailed above regarding his career & still thinks that knows absolutely nothing about football.

[Jackson Lamb]

4 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

By who?

Morons?

Anyone who has read what @Dredd has detailed above regarding his career & still thinks that knows absolutely nothing about football.

A lot of people under appreciate Cole. Not often he is mentioning in the PL forward greats. It’s all Henry, Rooney, Aguero, Drogba etc.

It’s basically the plastic fan base who don’t understand just how good Cole was.

[Fjmcity]

On 15/09/2024 at 08:33, LoyalRed said:

Both Cole and Abraham played 41 games for BC, the most successful in that time at our club was Tammy with 23 goals, Cole had 20. 

Semenyo getting a lot of praise right now and rightly so, not sure he will ever fill his trophy cabinet like Cole but I’d expect him to be our highest ever sold on player. At least until scott makes his name a little more

1 minute ago, The Coach said:

A lot of people under appreciate Cole. Not often he is mentioning in the PL forward greats. It’s all Henry, Rooney, Aguero, Drogba etc.

It’s basically the plastic fan base who don’t understand just how good Cole was.

Was in the wrong era to make a bigger splash for England, I think had he got more caps he would be remembered more

[Kid in the Riot]

Tammy scored an injury time winner for Milan in the Super Cup final tonight against Inter. 

Inter 2-0 up at HT, and lost 3-2

[One Team]

What a player. Be nice to think he’d come back one day, but completely different level clearly. 

[Bristol Rob]

 

 

[luke_bristol]

In Riyadh? **** off. 
 

pleased for Tammy though

[tubba]

It's Andy Cole and it's not even close. 

 

Neither Tammy nor Semenyo will get anywhere near what he achieved. 

Fourth highest PL scorer (a single penalty!)

Five league titles I think? 

A champions league win 

 

 

[Fpcity]

6 hours ago, luke_bristol said:

In Riyadh? **** off. 
 

pleased for Tammy though

1 of the semis was played there as well. 

Won't be long until an English game is played there! 

[The Batman]

48 minutes ago, Fpcity said:

1 of the semis was played there as well. 

Won't be long until an English game is played there! 

I did see the other semi final was played there and someone showed the stadium and a load of it was empty. I'm guessing they were saving themselves for this game. 

I don't think the clubs / authorities would be that stupid. They saw the response from the super league and backed down quick enough. And that was without the fans in the ground. Spanish clubs have held games abroad too. Disgraceful really. Thats what pre season tours are for. Playing a domestic match in a different continent is a joke. 

[TedsHeadIs Red]

I think I might have been able to score that goal by Tammy

[Bar BS3]

On 15/09/2024 at 01:38, cheddarwedlocker said:

Scored a goal at San Siro tonight for AC and its made me wonder. Has anyone ever actually hit these heights before, who used to wear our shirt?

Abrahams class, composure and his fight has got him to where he is now, from scrappy tap ins at Burton away, to being our top scorer and arguably the best young striker in the league (on two occasions) Champions League win with Chelsea, England caps and call ups, playing under Mourinho, playing for (imo) the biggest club in Italy.

It doesn’t get much better no?

Chris Martin scored for Rovers at the Mem last week. 

[Jackson Lamb]

2 hours ago, Fpcity said:

1 of the semis was played there as well. 

Won't be long until an English game is played there! 

Yup. They will ease it in. League Cup Semi Finals then on to League Cup Final. Eventually the FA Cup semis and final will be out that way.

[bcfcshorey]

4 hours ago, Jackson Lamb said:

Yup. They will ease it in. League Cup Semi Finals then on to League Cup Final. Eventually the FA Cup semis and final will be out that way.

If they were to insist on having some sort of abroad game for PR purposes, I've always thought the Community Shield would be fine to do that with. Middle East/USA/China or whoever get a "meaningful" game. But I don't think many football fans would cry over not having the Community Shield played in the UK anymore. Most see it as another expensive day out at Wembley. The FA would probably make more money from it being abroad, and could spin it as raising more money for the community and grassroots sport. They could partner with the Premier League to keep them happy too.

Italy have expanded it to be a mini 4-team tournament with the winners and runners-up of the league and cup. I guess have moved it to January due to the weather in Saudi Arabia, which is a step too far in my opinion.

 

[cityal]

Playing matches abroad is the path to the sport consuming itself and losing it soul.

 

[2015]

I don't think ANY Sports from outside of Saudi Arabia should be played over there. 

[fisherrich]

On 15/09/2024 at 01:38, cheddarwedlocker said:

Scored a goal at San Siro tonight for AC and its made me wonder. Has anyone ever actually hit these heights before, who used to wear our shirt?

Abrahams class, composure and his fight has got him to where he is now, from scrappy tap ins at Burton away, to being our top scorer and arguably the best young striker in the league (on two occasions) Champions League win with Chelsea, England caps and call ups, playing under Mourinho, playing for (imo) the biggest club in Italy.

It doesn’t get much better no?

Andy Cole followed by Paul Cheesley. Different era in Div 1 etc but Cheesley was class. Playing for England was beckoning, cruelly ended by that Stoke City game. Kevin Mabbutt was good OK also. Tammy is defo up there.

Edited January 7 by fisherrich

[Mr Popodopolous]

In respect of Tammy, he has won a few things too, including a CL.

Charity Shield is equivalent to Italian Super Cup probably. Winning Playoffs vs winning 2nd Tier.

Where Cole comes ahead is in respect of League titles and more recognition for the Full International side. That as a whole can rip the balance.

Cole was before my time when he played for us but he clearly had a great career and won a lot.

[Natchfever]

On 15/09/2024 at 01:38, cheddarwedlocker said:

Scored a goal at San Siro tonight for AC and its made me wonder. Has anyone ever actually hit these heights before, who used to wear our shirt?

Abrahams class, composure and his fight has got him to where he is now, from scrappy tap ins at Burton away, to being our top scorer and arguably the best young striker in the league (on two occasions) Champions League win with Chelsea, England caps and call ups, playing under Mourinho, playing for (imo) the biggest club in Italy.

It doesn’t get much better no?

John Atyeo.

Hed have done all that had he turned full time early enough and taken up one of the many offers received for his services.

Tammy wasnt ours either.

[Natchfever]

2 hours ago, 2015 said:

I don't think ANY Sports from outside of Saudi Arabia should be played over there. 

Saudi Arabia leads the way....

In modern slavery.

Quite how that reconciles with all the FA's and FIFA/UEFA virtue signalling im unsure.

Hope our FA doesnt go down that route but I wouldnt count on it.

[Super]

Tammy is an odd one it seems he's more rated in Italy than he is in this country. The answer to the question though is Andy Cole nobody really comes close.

[Davefevs]

On 16/09/2024 at 10:11, jj77 said:

Joe Jordan has scored at the San Siro.

Just come back to this thread, yes he did…and scored in 3 world cups too.  Think he must be right up there with Cole, if not higher?

[ralphindevon]

17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Just come back to this thread, yes he did…and scored in 3 world cups too.  Think he must be right up there with Cole, if not higher?

I guess the difference is Tammy and Cole both achieved great things after wearing the City shirt, Joe had achieved all his before he ever pulled on a city shirt.

[Solent Robin]

Remember taking my brother in law, a Cardiff fan, to the severnside derby in the league cup. I think it was just after we had signed Andy Cole permanently. I said to him before the game, watch out for this player he will end up playing and scoring for a top club and England. We beat them 5-0 with Cole scoring a hat-trick. I was convinced by his sharpness and instinctiveness in the box that he would make it to the top despite being relatively unknown. His performance in a losing side against Newcastle persuaded Kevin Keegan to walk into the dressing room and make an offer (so rumour has it) and the rest is history. He is the best striker I have seen at City by country mile and went on to prove it at the highest level. 

 

[REDOXO]

The best striker or the best forward. They are not the same. Striker implies out and out goal scorer, forward implies something else. For example, Robbie Turner was a forward, Bob Taylor was much more of a striker!

Best is always relative to the times and Division. 
 

Thus for us in living memory you have to look at Tom and Paul Cheesely. Sadly Paul didn’t really get his due for obvious reasons. However Tom, Joe Royle and to a decent extent Peter Cormack and Chris played well with each other. 
 

so to the modernists. Post 82! These are my assessments.
 

Best one on one Shaun Goater by a mile. Armstrong could do worse than sit and watch videos of this guy

Best finisher Bob Taylor  

Best dribbler Alan Walsh

Best runner Andy Weimann

Best Header since 82 not sure you decide

Most Ability  Jacki

Most exciting Scott Murray

All very debatable of course  

 

 

[ralphindevon]

7 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

The best striker or the best forward. They are not the same. Striker implies out and out goal scorer, forward implies something else. For example, Robbie Turner was a forward, Bob Taylor was much more of a striker!

Best is always relative to the times and Division. 
 

Thus for us in living memory you have to look at Tom and Paul Cheesely. Sadly Paul didn’t really get his due for obvious reasons. However Tom, Joe Royle and to a decent extent Peter Cormack and Chris played well with each other. 
 

so to the modernists. Post 82! These are my assessments.
 

Best one on one Shaun Goater by a mile. Armstrong could do worse than sit and watch videos of this guy

Best finisher Bob Taylor  

Best dribbler Alan Walsh

Best runner Andy Weimann

Best Header since 82 not sure you decide

Most Ability  Jacki

Most exciting Scott Murray

All very debatable of course  

 

 

If he gets in the 1982 stipulation then Mick Hartford wins best header by a country mile

Edit, also went on to play for England after pulling on the City shirt

Edited January 7 by ralphindevon

[Gimme Shelton]

2 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

The best striker or the best forward. They are not the same. Striker implies out and out goal scorer, forward implies something else. For example, Robbie Turner was a forward, Bob Taylor was much more of a striker!

Best is always relative to the times and Division. 
 

Thus for us in living memory you have to look at Tom and Paul Cheesely. Sadly Paul didn’t really get his due for obvious reasons. However Tom, Joe Royle and to a decent extent Peter Cormack and Chris played well with each other. 
 

so to the modernists. Post 82! These are my assessments.
 

Best one on one Shaun Goater by a mile. Armstrong could do worse than sit and watch videos of this guy

Best finisher Bob Taylor  

Best dribbler Alan Walsh

Best runner Andy Weimann

Best Header since 82 not sure you decide

Most Ability  Jacki

Most exciting Scott Murray

All very debatable of course  

 

 

My suggestion for best header would be Leroy Rosenior. Think how much higher he could have jumped with perfect knees!

[ralphindevon]

5 minutes ago, Gimme Shelton said:

My suggestion for best header would be Leroy Rosenior. Think how much higher he could have jumped with perfect knees!

Another who was surprisingly good at heading the ball, because of his size, was Alan Crawford

[REDOXO]

9 minutes ago, Gimme Shelton said:

My suggestion for best header would be Leroy Rosenior. Think how much higher he could have jumped with perfect knees!

 

9 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

If he gets in the 1982 stipulation then Mick Hartford wins best header by a country mile

Edit, also went on to play for England after pulling on the City shirt

 

3 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

Another who was surprisingly good at heading the ball, because of his size, was Alan Crawford

Good shouts. Mick Hartford certainly wins the hardest forward award. Bloke frightened the shit out of me and I was supporting his team. 
 

Always liked Leroy. Class act. I always laugh thinking of him playing in a three with Andy Cole and Wayne Allison away at Millwall. It looked like we had the Temptations all running toward us. Ray Atervelds worldy oggy in 3/2 win made it all very memorable. 
 

Yes Alan Crawford such a good player. I wonder if he’s a member of the FPA!?

[City oz]

On 15/09/2024 at 17:17, Yozzarian said:

Andy Cole. Most talented striker to put on the shirt.

Paul Cheesley between 73 and 77.

[SecretSam]

Tammy was the first 'outside' player I've seen at AG that looked as classy as Cole, and where you could see he was destined for greater things. 

But Cole could literally win games on his own, e.g. away at Luton (0-3, mid-90s) he was imperious. 

I'd also lob in a wildcard of Steven Caulker, who was outstanding on loan. Such a shame it went askew for the lad.

However, in terms of classy players, we've had a couple of our own. Antoine, Scott, Lloyd Kelly, Webster...none have quite hit the same heights (yet) but certainly looked 'too good' for us.

[astrondrew]

It's always fun when fan say "we need to get a Tammy Abraham on loan". 

There aren't many around.

[Silvio Dante]

1 minute ago, astrondrew said:

It's always fun when fan say "we need to get a Tammy Abraham on loan". 

There aren't many around.

Could always do what Rovers did and order Tammy Abraham off Wish.

 

[The Batman]

Speaking of strikers at World cups. Albeit it was pre signing for us, Jacki started all of poland's games in the 1986 world Cup, which included the famous game where they played England and Lineker got a first half hat trick. They were knocked out by Brazil in the first knockout round. 

[ExiledAjax]

49 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Could always do what Rovers did and order Tammy Abraham off Wish.

 

Temu Abraham 

[Gimme Shelton]

1 hour ago, SecretSam said:

Tammy was the first 'outside' player I've seen at AG that looked as classy as Cole, and where you could see he was destined for greater things. 

But Cole could literally win games on his own, e.g. away at Luton (0-3, mid-90s) he was imperious. 

I'd also lob in a wildcard of Steven Caulker, who was outstanding on loan. Such a shame it went askew for the lad.

However, in terms of classy players, we've had a couple of our own. Antoine, Scott, Lloyd Kelly, Webster...none have quite hit the same heights (yet) but certainly looked 'too good' for us.

Caulkers equaliser at QPR is probably my favourite headed goal ever,made even sweeter by Warnocks meltdown afterwards

[beaverface]

2 hours ago, SecretSam said:

Tammy was the first 'outside' player I've seen at AG that looked as classy as Cole, and where you could see he was destined for greater things. 

But Cole could literally win games on his own, e.g. away at Luton (0-3, mid-90s) he was imperious. 

I'd also lob in a wildcard of Steven Caulker, who was outstanding on loan. Such a shame it went askew for the lad.

However, in terms of classy players, we've had a couple of our own. Antoine, Scott, Lloyd Kelly, Webster...none have quite hit the same heights (yet) but certainly looked 'too good' for us.

A wildcard - in the respect that he wasn't our player - was Mark Robins when on loan to us. 4 goals in 6 appearances. Think we could've gone up that season if we kept hold of him.

[IdliketoRogerMoore]

On 15/09/2024 at 08:33, Guest said:

Both Cole and Abraham played 41 games for BC, the most successful in that time at our club was Tammy with 23 goals, Cole had 20. 

You’d can’t compare eras like that it’s practically a different sport when Cole was playing!

[grifty]

2 hours ago, beaverface said:

A wildcard - in the respect that he wasn't our player - was Mark Robins when on loan to us. 4 goals in 6 appearances. Think we could've gone up that season if we kept hold of him.

Matt Smiths got to be up there as loan who made the biggest impact!

17 hours ago, ralphindevon said:

Another who was surprisingly good at heading the ball, because of his size, was Alan Crawford

Flint was unmarkable at corners. Movement, aggressive and good delivery, it’s no wonder he scored so many first us.

[SecretSam]

3 hours ago, Gimme Shelton said:

Caulkers equaliser at QPR is probably my favourite headed goal ever,made even sweeter by Warnocks meltdown afterwards

Wasn't his then-boss at Spurs, 'Arry Redknapp, in the crowd, watching him? 

I wish I'd been there, not just for the immense limbs, but also to see Colin losing his 

[Yozzarian]

Such a shame what happen to Cheese

On 08/01/2025 at 06:26, City oz said:

Paul Cheesley between 73 and 77.

Such a shame what happen to Cheese

[City oz]

16 hours ago, Yozzarian said:

Such a shame what happen to Cheese

Such a shame what happen to Cheese

I was there that day. I was lucky enough to have a cider with Brin Drysdale in Stockwood a few months back and he said Paul is still out and about in the Whitchurch and Stockwood area. 

Great era and great legends of the club.

[2015]

On 07/01/2025 at 18:31, REDOXO said:

The best striker or the best forward. They are not the same. Striker implies out and out goal scorer, forward implies something else. For example, Robbie Turner was a forward, Bob Taylor was much more of a striker!

Best is always relative to the times and Division. 
 

Thus for us in living memory you have to look at Tom and Paul Cheesely. Sadly Paul didn’t really get his due for obvious reasons. However Tom, Joe Royle and to a decent extent Peter Cormack and Chris played well with each other. 
 

so to the modernists. Post 82! These are my assessments.
 

Best one on one Shaun Goater by a mile. Armstrong could do worse than sit and watch videos of this guy

Best finisher Bob Taylor  

Best dribbler Alan Walsh

Best runner Andy Weimann

Best Header since 82 not sure you decide

Most Ability  Jacki

Most exciting Scott Murray

All very debatable of course  

 

 

Where would Nicky Morgan rank? He was a pretty intelligent forward wasn't he, fox in the box?

[Yozzarian]

3 hours ago, City oz said:

I was there that day. I was lucky enough to have a cider with Brin Drysdale in Stockwood a few months back and he said Paul is still out and about in the Whitchurch and Stockwood area. 

Great era and great legends of the club.

I see him at the Gate regularly.  It's nice to see the club belatedly looking after former players in this way

[Mr Popodopolous]

Okay there is some recency bias and perhaps flatters to deceive applies but prime pre injury, pre attitude Maynard for 18 months was exceptional.

All these players listed are slightly different in profile, slightly different eras but all great for us but some of his goals were effortless, or looked it- nonchalant...the QPR one is obvious but one of my favourites is the one v Newcastle first game post GJ under the lights or at least 5.30pm kick-off.

https://x.com/joejones1897/status/1239617094397853697

He didn't really score especially in this period of 18 months, many scruffy tap-ins. Could easily have played PL IMO.

Edited Friday at 11:38 by Mr Popodopolous

[REDOXO]

6 hours ago, 2015 said:

Where would Nicky Morgan rank? He was a pretty intelligent forward wasn't he, fox in the box?

I liked Nicky Morgan. Proper goal scorer. 
 

I also liked Trevor Morgan. I wonder what he bought with all those coins he picked up at Reading in the 80s?