1960maaan Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 9 hours ago, Cheers Drive said: Confused as to what narrative is spoiled? A half where we had next to no chances Sincs made one great run but with his back to goal compared to Wells won literally nothing. He is one dimensional currently. Both him and Fally offered nothing and I wanted to see them play as a two. We were better when Wells was on than both of them together. Also thought I was complimentary to Morrison. Thought he was excellent. I think @Dullmoan Tone is talking about how you were complimentary about Morrison but critical of the other 2. All perspective , but they all had similar involvement , similar touches and Armstrong & Morrison had one strong run each. Morrison running down a bit of a blind alley and Armstrongs run stopped with a foul. Morison & Mayulu had about 16 minutes and SA 30+ . All scored similar on Whoscored , really don't think there was much in any of their performances , except Armstrong tried to force things and Morrison deserves some leeway for it being his debut. I thought the Mayulu Sub was surprising . I have said before he needs service and won't create much himself. The obvious Sub was Mehmeti , he could pick up , hold and run with the ball and is far more mobile than Mayulu. You bring him into the team when we have more ball and some control around the opposition box. That's why Armstrong gets the nod , his pace and strength means we have an 'out' ball. Might even have been a game for Cornick , but definitely not a game for Fally. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly in the air Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 if is not a game for Fally which I won't disagree with then why did we pay 2.5 mil for him. surely leeds at home should have been his sort of game. hopefully not another duff 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibbo7 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Whilst I agree with the majority on here, I am not sure today that either forward Fally or Sinclair were sent in with pressing in mind. Their jobs as I seen it was when we lost possession to run back into blocking positions to make passing difficult. A few times I could see the instruction from Manning to get back on and not to press. i thought that Sinclair actually looked reasonably lively. He had one great run and was brought down and another good turn and drive with the ball where if Fally was on the same wave length his pass could have created our best chance of the game. Unfortunately though, during todays game it was also obvious to me that we went from looking quite strong and well balanced and equalling Leeds in all aspects to a side that recognised maybe a more defensive setup to get a point from the game was the best we could hope for. This all came about from the Mcrorie for Naismith substitution. I personally would have liked us to carry on without the formation change and go with Morrison is a straight replacement. However, Naismith was chosen, the formation changed, and although it wasn’t pretty we got a point so Liam in maybe actually got it right. As people like to compare results to last years on a gained or lost basis. That’s 1 point gained. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 26 minutes ago, fly in the air said: if is not a game for Fally which I won't disagree with then why did we pay 2.5 mil for him. surely leeds at home should have been his sort of game. hopefully not another duff Manning's favoured approach is control. If we were the side that LM & BT wanted us to be , then we would have a lot of the ball and a lot around the opposition area. Then Mayulu would come into his own. Good touch and close control and hits the target , in that scenario he's a good choice . We are not , let's be kind and say currently , that side . It's why Armstrong has had a run and why Wells (who can drag defenders around and has an eye for goal) is is now first choice . I think both Armstrong & Mayulu are signings we hope will improve, but also hope they can turn it on now . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 I’m not sure you should be in a position where you take off a 34 year old Nahki Wells and the replacements are a massive downgrade. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Don’t give me a hard time but I can’t see anything in Fally Big lump yes, but little control with the ball, can seem to jump and gives possession away to easy. I hope he proves me wrong though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 4 hours ago, 1960maaan said: Manning's favoured approach is control. If we were the side that LM & BT wanted us to be , then we would have a lot of the ball and a lot around the opposition area. Then Mayulu would come into his own. Good touch and close control and hits the target , in that scenario he's a good choice . We are not , let's be kind and say currently , that side . It's why Armstrong has had a run and why Wells (who can drag defenders around and has an eye for goal) is is now first choice . I think both Armstrong & Mayulu are signings we hope will improve, but also hope they can turn it on now . The context from the club needs to change. All this top six and top two nonsense should go out of the window. We are a mid table club and side, I cannot see how we can go one better sadly. Current form sums it up, draw specialists yet we celebrate like 7 unbeaten is promotion form!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdliketoRogerMoore Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 11 hours ago, fly in the air said: if is not a game for Fally which I won't disagree with then why did we pay 2.5 mil for him. surely leeds at home should have been his sort of game. hopefully not another duff Because we don’t £15m+ to spend on a proven striker who’s going to come in and bang 25 goals! £2.5m is peanuts, we are shopping in the bargain bins hoping for a tin of beans with extended shelf life! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Do think there is a bit of ‘first he scores 2 in 2 he’s the new Zlatan, he has a few bad ones and he’s Baz Savage’ going on here. That’s the site for you 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 31 minutes ago, IdliketoRogerMoore said: Because we don’t £15m+ to spend on a proven striker who’s going to come in and bang 25 goals! £2.5m is peanuts, we are shopping in the bargain bins hoping for a tin of beans with extended shelf life! We could have used the £4.5m from Conway’s transfer to buy one decent forward, on a par with Conway, instead of splashing the money on Armstrong and Mayulu. Even better, not sign Twine as well and that would have provided approx £8m for one forward 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 1 minute ago, pongo88 said: We could have used the £4.5m from Conway’s transfer to buy one decent forward, on a par with Conway, instead of splashing the money on Armstrong and Mayulu. Even better, not sign Twine as well and that would have provided approx £8m for one forward Splitting hairs but I don’t think we got £4.5m for TC, not in terms of a transfer fee anyway…might get that if he hits all the add-ons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Splitting hairs but I don’t think we got £4.5m for TC, not in terms of a transfer fee anyway…might get that if he hits all the add-ons. Not getting £4.5 for Conway makes it even worse, as we’ve got two dodgy forwards for the price of one good one. The logic of that defeats me 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 1 minute ago, pongo88 said: Not getting £4.5 for Conway makes it even worse, as we’ve got two dodgy forwards for the price of one good one. The logic of that defeats me As far as im aware, we used 100% of the ‘guaranteed’ money to sign Twine, if that makes you feel any better (worse).. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 7 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said: The context from the club needs to change. All this top six and top two nonsense should go out of the window. We are a mid table club and side, I cannot see how we can go one better sadly. Current form sums it up, draw specialists yet we celebrate like 7 unbeaten is promotion form!! Agreed, imo We are a mid table club at best, sorry to state the bleeding obvious but we just have to put away chances. I see there is a young lad at Boro who got a couple this week 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 20 minutes ago, petehinton said: As far as im aware, we used 100% of the ‘guaranteed’ money to sign Twine, if that makes you feel any better (worse).. That makes me feel worse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 10 hours ago, bpexile said: Agreed, imo We are a mid table club at best, sorry to state the bleeding obvious but we just have to put away chances. I see there is a young lad at Boro who got a couple this week Mid table club or mid table team? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Mayulu isn’t going to improve by playing 5 mins here and there. He will need a run of games. If he is playing very little football then of course he will look off the pace when he comes on. As a reminder, he has scored as many goals as Armstrong this season, despite playing far fewer minutes overall. He could turn out to be £3m down the pan, but it’s not exactly like he is being given a chance to prove his worth currently. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 11 hours ago, pongo88 said: We could have used the £4.5m from Conway’s transfer to buy one decent forward, on a par with Conway, instead of splashing the money on Armstrong and Mayulu. Even better, not sign Twine as well and that would have provided approx £8m for one forward And who would you suggest for £8m? And the wages? Plus, given our injury record, the chances are said striker would have ended up crocked within a month. We have to accept that we are at the point where we pay £2m-2.5m for a raw talent, hope to turn him into something more polished within a season or two, then sell. And if it doesn't work, we flog them and get back some of our money. No club has a 100% record with signings. Not one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 27 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Mayulu isn’t going to improve by playing 5 mins here and there. He will need a run of games. If he is playing very little football then of course he will look off the pace when he comes on. As a reminder, he has scored as many goals as Armstrong this season, despite playing far fewer minutes overall. He could turn out to be £3m down the pan, but it’s not exactly like he is being given a chance to prove his worth currently. Agreed, but right now, he's not going to get those minutes, and waving his arms around and playing "after you, Claude" with Armstrong isn't going to help. Wells is currently our most reliable striker. Forget his age. And let's not forget, Wells was not exactly flavour of the month or even season for a long time. Plenty on here would happily have seen him let go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 1 hour ago, KegCity said: Mid table club or mid table team? At the moment, without a prolific striker I'm thinking both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 But what's the concern here? We're creating chances, taking shots, have a good number of those shots on target. We're even scoring a decent number of goals. Against Stoke we had 28 shots, 10 on target for pity's sake. Highest numbers we've seen for years in that regard. Perhaps, with a slightly better conversion rate, we'd have a couple more goals. But one game against the best goalkeeper in this division for years (and we still got two past him), plus one slightly toothless game against basically the best defence in the division, isn't something that should sound alarm bells imo. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnr1986 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 2 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said: Mayulu isn’t going to improve by playing 5 mins here and there. He will need a run of games. If he is playing very little football then of course he will look off the pace when he comes on. As a reminder, he has scored as many goals as Armstrong this season, despite playing far fewer minutes overall. He could turn out to be £3m down the pan, but it’s not exactly like he is being given a chance to prove his worth currently. Agree with you , see more of a goal threat and technical ability in Mayulu than Armstrong. don’t think Armstrong is Scoring the Hull goal or the link up and finish against Millwall. With genuine width in the team I think mayulu with prove his doubters wrong 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 On 23/10/2024 at 21:40, milo1111 said: As it stands it looks like we have royally f up with the recruitment of strikers this summer although I appreciate its early days. Whilst we had no real choice but to offload TC we have taken a couple of gambles and with only nahki and cornick as the other options that is starting to look like borderline negligence!!! Another massive negative for BT I reckon. We desperately need at least one of fally or Armstrong to step up soon. Fally reminds me a bit of Semenyo when he first got in the team. Look what quality coaching did for him. Shame we don't have quality striker coaches on our books 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 2 hours ago, SecretSam said: Agreed, but right now, he's not going to get those minutes, and waving his arms around and playing "after you, Claude" with Armstrong isn't going to help. Wells is currently our most reliable striker. Forget his age. And let's not forget, Wells was not exactly flavour of the month or even season for a long time. Plenty on here would happily have seen him let go. I thought that Wells was playing great. For me we should have brought Armstrong on in a wide position and kept Wells on the pitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 (edited) I really struggle to see how this lad has been valued at £3 million plus add ons. He was in Lens academy as a kid...same team Taylor Moore played for. His league games read like this. He went to Wolfsburg where in his first season played 3 mins as a Sub for their second team. In his next season, he again appeared only for their second team. Making the starting 11 only 6 times. A sub on 7. And only played 90 mins once. He then went to Blau Weiss Linz, which play at the equivalent of Weston Super Mare. Started 22 times, subbed on 8. Scored 12 goals. Vienna took him for £300K. A punt. He started 14 times, came on as Sub on 14 times, on bench twice. He played 90 mins only 4 times. Scored 6 goals. How the hell is that a £3 million striker? Edited October 28 by spudski 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 15 hours ago, IdliketoRogerMoore said: Because we don’t £15m+ to spend on a proven striker who’s going to come in and bang 25 goals! £2.5m is peanuts, we are shopping in the bargain bins hoping for a tin of beans with extended shelf life! For the striker we want/need we are either going to have to get lucky with a punt (Fally) or loan a player. Im beginning to think the loan option is the better way for that position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 1 hour ago, Clutton Caveman said: I thought that Wells was playing great. For me we should have brought Armstrong on in a wide position and kept Wells on the pitch The change that was need imho was Hirakawa off, he had little to no impact second half. Might be the physical nature of Championship, fading a bit??? Wells played well. I bet he could’ve done full 90. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 15 hours ago, bpexile said: Agreed, imo We are a mid table club at best, sorry to state the bleeding obvious but we just have to put away chances. I see there is a young lad at Boro who got a couple this week Yes- doubled his total for the season and missed a penalty. Had we spent £4.5m or whatever on a striker that had 1 goal and one penalty to his name up until Saturday they'd be the usual outrage. Fally had two goals from open play and Tommy had one. They'll both come good but the journey for Fally ( and Sincs) will probably take a lot longer. In the meantime and in the absence of a prolific goal scorer, the rest of the team have to step up and chip in. In any event reliance on any one given player considering our dreadful injury record over many seasons is tricky in itself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 16 hours ago, bpexile said: Agreed, imo We are a mid table club at best, sorry to state the bleeding obvious but we just have to put away chances. I see there is a young lad at Boro who got a couple this week A young lad who didn’t sign a contract for Nige and didn’t sign one for Liam either. One who wanted out and ideally wouldn’t have went to Middlesbrough. He could have negotiated I’m sure but chose not to and the club moved on. Whether you rate his replacements is another matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: The change that was need imho was Hirakawa off, he had little to no impact second half. Might be the physical nature of Championship, fading a bit??? Wells played well. I bet he could’ve done full 90. Yu was looking shattered a good 10 mins before replaced. I did wonder how Nahki would last but his fitness levels are great. Hopefully behind the scenes he is forging similar relationships with Fally & Sincs as he did with Conway & giving him the benefit of his experience. I am fine with the fact we pretty much contained Leeds but were toothless ourselves - it was always going to be a tough game. It's the fact we were equally toothless v the likes of Cardiff & Weds which is the worry. We then had the shot-fest of Stoke away but it just comes back to a well trodden path; it's what our opponents do that dictates the flow of the game far more than what we do. Not a bad time to be playing PNE - just thrown away 2 winning positions & hopefully have a long tough game v Arsenal midweek. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 5 minutes ago, TDarwall said: Not a bad time to be playing PNE - just thrown away 2 winning positions & hopefully have a long tough game v Arsenal midweek. Heckingbottom looks to be doing a good job…they are gonna be annoyingly tough on Saturday imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Heckingbottom looks to be doing a good job…they are gonna be annoyingly tough on Saturday imho. Heckingbottom is someone I have a fairly illogical yet major, dislike of. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 From their brief time playing together against Leeds, it looks like Mayulu and Armstrong have never played together on the training pitch. Mayulu has played progressively worse since his start against Hull, and Armstrong appears to have made little progress at all. I hope both prove to be a lot better than what we have already seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fpcity Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 3 hours ago, spudski said: I really struggle to see how this lad has been valued at £3 million plus add ons. He was in Lens academy as a kid...same team Taylor Moore played for. His league games read like this. He went to Wolfsburg where in his first season played 3 mins as a Sub for their second team. In his next season, he again appeared only for their second team. Making the starting 11 only 6 times. A sub on 7. And only played 90 mins once. He then went to Blau Weiss Linz, which play at the equivalent of Weston Super Mare. Started 22 times, subbed on 8. Scored 12 goals. Vienna took him for £300K. A punt. He started 14 times, came on as Sub on 14 times, on bench twice. He played 90 mins only 4 times. Scored 6 goals. How the hell is that a £3 million striker? My thoughts as well. The YouTube goals video showed a lot of shocking defending. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityboy1954 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 On 23/10/2024 at 21:40, milo1111 said: As it stands it looks like we have royally f up with the recruitment of strikers this summer although I appreciate its early days. Whilst we had no real choice but to offload TC we have taken a couple of gambles and with only nahki and cornick as the other options that is starting to look like borderline negligence!!! Another massive negative for BT I reckon. We desperately need at least one of fally or Armstrong to step up soon. When you think Thomas Asanti went from Wba for 750.000 ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puckle_red Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 He looked very rusty and his body language isn't great. But he is clearly a natural footballer. His awareness, touch and finishing seems decent. I think he needs a run of games to see the best from him, from memory I think he's only started away to Blackburn in the league? I prefer Wells to either of them, he's a proper striker. But Mayulu seems to have some decent ability, we just need to adjust to his skillset as he's not quick at all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 3 hours ago, Fpcity said: My thoughts as well. The YouTube goals video showed a lot of shocking defending. If you go on the Rapid Vienna website there are interviews with him and goals. The standard of defending is like non league. So much time it's unbelievable. One positive is his interviews are in English, which he can speak and understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugget Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Shame we didn’t get Sylla, the one that went to Schalke - seems to be doing very well there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 6 hours ago, spudski said: How the hell is that a £3 million str Because they saw us coming? Because we have individuals in charge who aren't fit for purpose? Because it wasn't £3M? Who knows - probably best not to think about it, quite frankly. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 5 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Because they saw us coming? Because we have individuals in charge who aren't fit for purpose? Because it wasn't £3M? Who knows - probably best not to think about it, quite frankly. In the interview with the Austrian football journalist, he implied that Rapid bring in punts as they are seen as a big team in that league. Although big in that league, they don't have much money. But they are the biggest draw in that country, so any player they have, stands out. They look to sell on these punts at bigger money, which is exactly what they did to us. Perhaps BT wanted his younger brother who's at PSG and ****** up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 4 minutes ago, spudski said: In the interview with the Austrian football journalist, he implied that Rapid bring in punts as they are seen as a big team in that league. Although big in that league, they don't have much money. But they are the biggest draw in that country, so any player they have, stands out. They look to sell on these punts at bigger money, which is exactly what they did to us. Perhaps BT wanted his younger brother who's at PSG and ****** up Rapid played with runners off of him, playing off his first touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Just now, Davefevs said: Rapid played with runners off of him, playing off his first touch. Indeed they did...in his interviews he's asked about his partnership up front. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 6 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Yes- doubled his total for the season and missed a penalty. Had we spent £4.5m or whatever on a striker that had 1 goal and one penalty to his name up until Saturday they'd be the usual outrage. Fally had two goals from open play and Tommy had one. They'll both come good but the journey for Fally ( and Sincs) will probably take a lot longer. In the meantime and in the absence of a prolific goal scorer, the rest of the team have to step up and chip in. In any event reliance on any one given player considering our dreadful injury record over many seasons is tricky in itself. Just remember Conway has been playing the 10 role not sure what he played yesterday a bit different to being your main striker and he's been injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza1982 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Wow. Let’s give him a chance - way too early to write him off. Yes, he was poor the weekend but he looked decent against Hull and Millwall. Some of the comments on here reminds me of when Semenyo first came on the scene. That turned out alright didn’t it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 2 hours ago, Cityboy1954 said: When you think Thomas Asanti went from Wba for 750.000 ? OMG that is absolutely frightening. he’d of done a cracking job for us I reckon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Just now, milo1111 said: OMG that is absolutely frightening. he’d of done a cracking job for us I reckon. More like £2.5m 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 2 hours ago, Puckle_red said: He looked very rusty and his body language isn't great. But he is clearly a natural footballer. His awareness, touch and finishing seems decent. I think he needs a run of games to see the best from him, from memory I think he's only started away to Blackburn in the league? I prefer Wells to either of them, he's a proper striker. But Mayulu seems to have some decent ability, we just need to adjust to his skillset as he's not quick at all. Interesting that you say FM is not quick. He certainly wasn’t on Saturday, as he hardly moved at all (apart from waving his arms), but I am pretty sure he was very quick in his cameos against Hull and Middlesbrough. I am quietly confident (and keeping my fingers crossed) that he will come good before the season ends. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 I just clipped the input ( touches ) of Armstrong , Morrison and Mayulu and my thoughts have changed a little. Morrison is keen and looks like he would try and run through a wall , only 2nd game I believe so understandable. Very unlucky with the booking but nice little run with killed some time. Too little time to get excited about, I want to see more of him. Armstrong is pace and strength , if a little unsubtle. Some decent runs, chased and made a nuisance of himself. One good run lead to being fouled and played a decent ball just to heavy for Fally. The thing with SA, if he's having an off day he will still run and knock players around. Mayulu , I actually felt sorry for him having watched those choices he made . It really was one of those days where you can't do right for doing wrong. I'll stick by what I said that it was the wrong Sub for the game, but it just seemed if he went left the ball went right. I think anyone that has played at any level has had those days. I can't excuse his body language and when he gave up on balls , but I do feel for him, to a point. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severn Beach Pigeon Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 On 25/10/2024 at 01:42, PHILINFRANCE said: If it’s the one I’m thinking of, Baker came charging/sliding in just in front of the Dolman stand. From an excellent KP pass, from the touchline almost on to JB’s foot. nah, this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 (edited) Wonder if Fally has some sort of attitude problem ? If that surfaces then loan him out in Jan to perhaps a league one club to see if he can get some goals. Likewise we loan in a striker Edited October 28 by Dolman Block B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 On 24/10/2024 at 10:39, Severn Beach Pigeon said: That's the game I'm thinking too Although I have sympathy for Baker with that red. He was having to make a challenge to cover for Flint at the time and we were completely open otherwise Not to say that he was right to dive in, but it was Baker making a challenge or most likely a goal. Shortly before HT IIRC. On 24/10/2024 at 10:50, Davefevs said: Terrible square pass from Flint, Baker took one for the team….boy did he catch Scowen! Bailey Wright was brilliant aerially against Matt Smith second half. On 25/10/2024 at 09:17, Davefevs said: Nah, was in front of Lansdown…think you might be thinking of Poveda (on loan to Blackburn), when Baker broke Poveda’s ankle…that was over the far-side (Dolman) from me. 38 minutes ago, Severn Beach Pigeon said: nah, this one. Yep, now that I have seen the link, it was definitely in front of the Lansdown, against QPR. One other thing I remember is that, at the time, i.e. watching it live, I thought it was an excellent challenge, but feared that, with Keith Stroud as referee, he might get a yellow . Of course, I then saw the replay in slow motion…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 1 minute ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Yep, now that I have seen the link, it was definitely in front of the Lansdown, against QPR. One other thing I remember is that, at the time, i.e. watching it live, I thought it was an excellent challenge, but feared that, with Keith Stroud as referee, he might get a yellow . Of course, I then saw the replay in slow motion…. Watching it live, I thought Scowen might’ve ended up snapped in half. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Still annoys me the player went down grabbing his knee, Baker never got near his knee FFS. If he had , someone in the Lansdown would have caught it. I think it was a Red though, just. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 7 hours ago, Numero Uno said: A young lad who didn’t sign a contract for Nige and didn’t sign one for Liam either. One who wanted out and ideally wouldn’t have went to Middlesbrough. He could have negotiated I’m sure but chose not to and the club moved on. Whether you rate his replacements is another matter. Please don't take my comment about "A lad from Boro" so serious, it was said tongue in cheek & the comment about whether I rate his replacements I just don't understand because I never mentioned them. I simply said that stating the bleeding obvious we need someone to put the chances away, surely that's obvious to everyone & I understand his replacements will take time, the important thing I like, is that our defence seem to have their mojo back & .......................... lighten up mate, we both support the same team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Still annoys me the player went down grabbing his knee, Baker never got near his knee FFS. If he had , someone in the Lansdown would have caught it. I think it was a Red though, just. Contact doesn’t need to be on the knee to twist / damage it. Contact lower down, might’ve opened up the joint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Contact doesn’t need to be on the knee to twist / damage it. Contact lower down, might’ve opened up the joint. Oh come on Dave , as an old CB I thought you'd agree he was making a meal of it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 i dont think the strikers are the problem, armstrong isnt a striker anyway,if he was, he could hit the target. fally obviously needs someone else with him to play off of which we dont do leaving nahki who has been around the block and can adapt his game to whatever is coming his way. you either play to their strengths or dont score goals,its quite simple,the coaches should be able to work that out instead of trying to make something work where we havent got the right parts 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 37 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: i dont think the strikers are the problem, armstrong isnt a striker anyway,if he was, he could hit the target. fally obviously needs someone else with him to play off of which we dont do leaving nahki who has been around the block and can adapt his game to whatever is coming his way. you either play to their strengths or dont score goals,its quite simple,the coaches should be able to work that out instead of trying to make something work where we haven’t got the right parts It’s been a familiar scenario under Manning RS - one up top. Our goal return since Manning took over has been poor mainly in my view because of the lack of a second striker. If due diligence had been applied to Fally they’d have seen that he’s far more of a threat when he has a striking partner……….. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 23 minutes ago, Robbored said: It’s been a familiar scenario under Manning RS - one up top. Our goal return since Manning took over has been poor mainly in my view because of the lack of a second striker. If due diligence had been applied to Fally they’d have seen that he’s far more of a threat when he has a striking partner……….. Have you seen a lot of him playing in a 2 previously ? Just been looking and according to Transfermarkt , and I know they aren't the Gospel , at Rapid it looks like he mainly played a lone role in a similar system to here. Definitely not on our OS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severn Beach Pigeon Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Yep, now that I have seen the link, it was definitely in front of the Lansdown, against QPR. One other thing I remember is that, at the time, i.e. watching it live, I thought it was an excellent challenge, but feared that, with Keith Stroud as referee, he might get a yellow . Of course, I then saw the replay in slow motion…. I like the commentary "this might be the first yellow of the game" followed by a surprised "oh, its a red" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 4 hours ago, Street red said: Just remember Conway has been playing the 10 role not sure what he played yesterday a bit different to being your main striker and he's been injured. And remember Fally has regularly not been played and restricted to cameo performances but that clearly wasn't my point . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Tuesday at 10:13 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:13 11 hours ago, 1960maaan said: Have you seen a lot of him playing in a 2 previously ? Just been looking and according to Transfermarkt , and I know they aren't the Gospel , at Rapid it looks like he mainly played a lone role in a similar system to here. Definitely not on our OS. Formation wise he might’ve been a “one”, but from the clips I watched on Wyscout, he had players running off / beyond him. I still point back to Coventry (h) in Carabao Cup, where Wells played as the 10/SS…and they looked dangerous. If you isolate him, then like a lot of lone-strikers they become ineffective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobBobbin Posted Tuesday at 12:11 Share Posted Tuesday at 12:11 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Formation wise he might’ve been a “one”, but from the clips I watched on Wyscout, he had players running off / beyond him. I still point back to Coventry (h) in Carabao Cup, where Wells played as the 10/SS…and they looked dangerous. If you isolate him, then like a lot of lone-strikers they become ineffective. This is the key point on Mayulu and also generally. 10 different teams could play the same "formation" in very different ways. I'd like to see Mayulu with two of Knight/Earthy/Yu/Wells in the 10's behind him. That mobility, energy, and the third man runs of those would get a lot out of him. Issue would be we'd not have an "out ball" down the sides/channels which is clearly part of our game plan with Wells or Armstrong and something that doesn't fit Mayulu's skillset/game. He's a totally different "club" to the others. A 4 iron in the bag of someone who hit's driver, wedge on every hole. Somewhat wasted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted Tuesday at 14:28 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:28 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Formation wise he might’ve been a “one”, but from the clips I watched on Wyscout, he had players running off / beyond him. I still point back to Coventry (h) in Carabao Cup, where Wells played as the 10/SS…and they looked dangerous. If you isolate him, then like a lot of lone-strikers they become ineffective. Robbored said "If due diligence had been applied to Fally they’d have seen that he’s far more of a threat when he has a striking partner" so I was wondering when he had seen him play in a genuine 2. To me a Striking partner is Turner & Taylor sort of thing and not so much players running beyond from deeper. Though as @BobBobBobbin says I'd like to see the 2x10s . Wells would be a good option and to be honest the one making the best runs so far this year was Bird , but Knight generally plays higher/nearer the "9" . We may see something like that Saturday as I think we will start with 3 CBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobBobbin Posted Tuesday at 14:33 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:33 2 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Robbored said "If due diligence had been applied to Fally they’d have seen that he’s far more of a threat when he has a striking partner" so I was wondering when he had seen him play in a genuine 2. To me a Striking partner is Turner & Taylor sort of thing and not so much players running beyond from deeper. Though as @BobBobBobbin says I'd like to see the 2x10s . Wells would be a good option and to be honest the one making the best runs so far this year was Bird , but Knight generally plays higher/nearer the "9" . We may see something like that Saturday as I think we will start with 3 CBs He's spent a lifetime posting about a sport he knows nothing about! 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted Tuesday at 14:58 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:58 17 hours ago, redsquirrel said: i dont think the strikers are the problem, armstrong isnt a striker anyway,if he was, he could hit the target. fally obviously needs someone else with him to play off of which we dont do leaving nahki who has been around the block and can adapt his game to whatever is coming his way. you either play to their strengths or dont score goals,its quite simple,the coaches should be able to work that out instead of trying to make something work where we havent got the right parts This is it for me. I can accept that both Armstrong and Fally have issues but with the club having bought them it is now down to Manning, Hogg and whoever else on the coaching staff to coach these issues out of them and also to play in a way that brings the best out of them whenever they are on the pitch. You cannot shoehorn a Sinclair Armstroing into a Man City style of play, the kid needs to be chasing balls in behind, the one thing he offers us that is different. With Fally I'm not sure what he does yet, because he's hardly got on the pitch. It may be a gradual thing but we have to see evidence that improvement is happening. I read a lot of posts saying "Semenyo was different", four years after the same posters had bagged him for being League 2 at best. These lads can get better and the coaches need to be coaching these lads to be better, otherwise it's £5m spunked up the wall seemingly without a plan in place. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtongreight Posted Thursday at 16:48 Share Posted Thursday at 16:48 On 29/10/2024 at 14:58, Numero Uno said: This is it for me. I can accept that both Armstrong and Fally have issues but with the club having bought them it is now down to Manning, Hogg and whoever else on the coaching staff to coach these issues out of them and also to play in a way that brings the best out of them whenever they are on the pitch. You cannot shoehorn a Sinclair Armstroing into a Man City style of play, the kid needs to be chasing balls in behind, the one thing he offers us that is different. With Fally I'm not sure what he does yet, because he's hardly got on the pitch. It may be a gradual thing but we have to see evidence that improvement is happening. I read a lot of posts saying "Semenyo was different", four years after the same posters had bagged him for being League 2 at best. These lads can get better and the coaches need to be coaching these lads to be better, otherwise it's £5m spunked up the wall seemingly without a plan in place. Absolutely agree, the only thing I’d add is Fally does seem to have an eye for a goal, something which Armstrong clearly doesn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinsleburg Posted Saturday at 08:25 Share Posted Saturday at 08:25 Can't remember which thread it was but someone mentioned Famara didnt settle well and spent all night awake chatting to family and messing up his sleep cycle. interestingly Fally was posting on his Instagram 5 hours ago making it around 3am. Now I know there's a strong chance someone has posted it on his behalf but if it is him the sleep cycle may be a legitimate concern. Thought he was brilliant as an impact sub first couple of games and really can't work out what's happened since. Seems to have lost a yard of pace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted Saturday at 08:33 Share Posted Saturday at 08:33 5 minutes ago, hinsleburg said: Can't remember which thread it was but someone mentioned Famara didnt settle well and spent all night awake chatting to family and messing up his sleep cycle. interestingly Fally was posting on his Instagram 5 hours ago making it around 3am. Now I know there's a strong chance someone has posted it on his behalf but if it is him the sleep cycle may be a legitimate concern. Thought he was brilliant as an impact sub first couple of games and really can't work out what's happened since. Seems to have lost a yard of pace! Someone “might have mentioned” Famara not settling well but in his first 13 games for us he scored 6. I’d settle for our next striker signing settling in that badly.. Does seem odd to be on Social media at that time of night though & the club should definitely have a word. Unless of course he’s not involved today.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted Saturday at 08:52 Share Posted Saturday at 08:52 There's nothing to suggest he posted it personally. The image on his story for today's game mentions PEGO Media - an agency offering "Athlete Social-Media Management" who appear to act on behalf of dozens of players. https://www.instagram.com/pegomedia/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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