How long do we give Manning….we keep waiting for it to click….

[Shauntaylor85]

Sorry but time is running out for me….where are the results? 7 points off play offs now, look wanting versus anyone remotely decent. Centre forwards are probably at an all time low in our championship era this time around. Fail to see this team taking us any further than Nige did. Incredibly frustrating and we just cannot shake off this mid table tag.
 

What’s going to give? We must win the next two games. No excuse v those two who have been exceptionally poor. If we don’t get six points then major questions need to be asked of Manning and Tinnion. Our summer recruitment for the forward line has really cost us, what a waste is the Scott funds. 

[Dastardly and Muttley]

He’s not going anywhere, sadly. Much like us.

The board let him waste millions in the summer, so can’t let it look like he’s failed. 

[Malago]

At least to the end of next season and possibly beyond.

[Jose]

A massive question is our forward recruitment. Who takes the blame for that? Manning? Or Tinnion? Mixture of both? Played some really good stuff but if you don’t put away your chances the other team is likely to put away one. 
 

Had more points at this stage last season didn’t we? PROGRESS. 

[Shauntaylor85]

2 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Sorry but time is running out for me….where are the results? 7 points off play offs now, look wanting versus anyone remotely decent. Centre forwards are probably at an all time low in our championship era this time around. Fail to see this team taking us any further than Nige did. Incredibly frustrating and we just cannot shake off this mid table tag.
 

What’s going to give? We must win the next two games. No excuse v those two who have been exceptionally poor. If we don’t get six points then major questions need to be asked of Manning and Tinnion. Our summer recruitment for the forward line has really cost us, what a waste is the Scott funds. 

Sorry what is so laughable? We haven’t won two games in a row all season! 11th. 7 points off play offs, not good enough! No better than Nigel. 

[milo1111]

I think he has some parts of the team functioning well but our forward options are league one level IMO.
 

Really toothless and we’ve been relying on wells too much and that’s only going to take us so far.

i think we may struggle to even to make the top half without a quality striker brought in  , in January 

[temp]

whatever you do make sure you get your season ticket as we hope to be challenging top six (again) next season....SL sell up ....please

[Shauntaylor85]

2 minutes ago, Jose said:

A massive question is our forward recruitment. Who takes the blame for that? Manning? Or Tinnion? Mixture of both? Played some really good stuff but if you don’t put away your chances the other team is likely to put away one. 
 

Had more points at this stage last season didn’t we? PROGRESS. 

Do we play good stuff? One decent chance I’d say, comfy saves for the keeper, poor finishing. We don’t have players that can pin you in and put you under massive pressure. It’s all well knocking it around sideways and backwards, but goodness me we just have zero final quality v anyone with a bit of class. Sacked Nigel for progression. This is not progression, we played better football under Nige before the injury crisis at start of last season. 

Edited November 26 by Shauntaylor85

[milo1111]

2 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

He’s not going anywhere, sadly. Much like us.

The board let him waste millions in the summer, so can’t let it look like he’s failed. 

I more inclined to think tinnion wasted the money . Twine aside 

[One Team]

2 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

He’s not going anywhere, sadly. Much like us.

The board let him waste millions in the summer, so can’t let it look like he’s failed. 

Indeed he’s going absolutely nowhere. He will get at least this season and likely next. 

[luke_bristol]

Given money to spend and full backing, yet we’re on 1.29 Points per Game, same PPG as NP the season he was sacked. 

[Shauntaylor85]

5 minutes ago, Jose said:

A massive question is our forward recruitment. Who takes the blame for that? Manning? Or Tinnion? Mixture of both? Played some really good stuff but if you don’t put away your chances the other team is likely to put away one. 
 

Had more points at this stage last season didn’t we? PROGRESS. 

It’s almost like some of our fans (noted on the podcasts in particular) treat us like we are a youth team trying hard and unlucky to lose. I get that with my son’s under 8 team….not with a side who we have spent millions and backed the manager like no other and quoting aspirations of PL. No excuses, if we can’t beat Plymouth and Portsmouth who are both awful sides then we may as well call it a day. 

2 minutes ago, luke_bristol said:

Given money to spend and full backing, yet we’re on 1.29 Points per Game, same PPG as NP the season he was sacked. 

Nigel Pearson is levels above Liam Manning. Worst decision in years! 

Edited November 26 by Shauntaylor85

[PortInTheMorning]

Twine's fault...nothing to do with his play - he's just bad luck

[cidercity1987]

 here we go again.

When will the fans wake up and realise the truth.

How anyone can look at the trio of Manning, Tinnion and Lansdown and think the former is the problem is well beyond me.

Fair enough we can't get rid of the latter which just leaves the incompetent cheerleading clown who oversaw the most ridiculous summer recruitment I can ever imagine.

TINNION OUT

[BCFCGav]

I mean, we’re playing alright.

I find us more frustrating now than when we were genuinely dog awful at the end of Holden/start of Pearson.

We look like we can beat anyone, then beat almost no-one. It’s painful. When we were once again wasting chance after chance first-half me and my dad agreed on two things. 1) We’re on top, we’re doing well.

2) We’ll **** this up.

Serious questions on the summer.

[Super]

Get a grip ffs. 

[Northern Red]

8 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Sorry but time is running out for me….where are the results? 7 points off play offs now, look wanting versus anyone remotely decent. Centre forwards are probably at an all time low in our championship era this time around. Fail to see this team taking us any further than Nige did. Incredibly frustrating and we just cannot shake off this mid table tag.
 

What’s going to give? We must win the next two games. No excuse v those two who have been exceptionally poor. If we don’t get six points then major questions need to be asked of Manning and Tinnion. Our summer recruitment for the forward line has really cost us, what a waste is the Scott funds. 

You've had this post ready and waiting for weeks haven't you?

**** off and watch Arsenal or West Ham or any of the other teams you drool over.

 

[SODS_LAW]

Here we go  

we just out played a much better squad away from home, if you cant see the progress made in the last 12 months then you’re not very clued up on the game.

 

time to stay off here for a few days and let the deluded haters have the sunlight 

[pongo88]

City on course to consolidate a dull mid table position

[Dastardly and Muttley]

1 minute ago, SODS_LAW said:

Here we go  

we just out played a much better squad away from home, if you cant see the progress made in the last 12 months then you’re not very clued up on the game.

 

time to stay off here for a few days and let the deluded haters have the sunlight 

Where’s the progress? Virtually identical, if not slightly worse points per game, a powderpuff strike force and a defence that’s gone backwards.

[PortInTheMorning]

"Sorry but time is running out for me"

I like how you're pretending that you haven't wanted Manning out for a long time.

 

[WoodsDTES]

It’s just so so boring. Every team can see what we do and mark us easily. Pass it round the back, out wide, backwards, long ball switch across the pitch and then repeat. Losing and we try to play slowly through the middle, where the width to stretch them and open gaps for runners? Put a tall bloke up top, get bodies round him and go direct, NO, slow it down and play low, short passes through the middle. If that’s what Manning has told them then he’s ******* useless and needs to **** off. Football is simple. Your plan isn’t working then change it with the options you’ve brought into the club, probably the biggest, competitive squad we’ve ever had yet still going backwards.

[harrym]

Nice to see you back out Shaun

[Northern Red]

Just now, PortInTheMorning said:

"Sorry but time is running out for me"

I like how you're pretending that you haven't wanted Manning out for a long time.

 

Like I say, he's been sitting on this for weeks. Just long enough not to be seen as insensitive.

[SODS_LAW]

Just now, Dastardly and Muttley said:

Where’s the progress? Virtually identical, if not slightly worse points per game, a powderpuff strike force and a defence that’s gone backwards.

It takes time? We are playing good football look organised and solid. figure out the last bit and we will start to fly! It’s the hardest bit tho!!

actually unbelievable if you can’t see the difference between this time last year, 1st time in years we look like a good football team. 

 

 

[TonyTonyTony]

[Andy082005]

14 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Sorry but time is running out for me….where are the results? 7 points off play offs now, look wanting versus anyone remotely decent. Centre forwards are probably at an all time low in our championship era this time around. Fail to see this team taking us any further than Nige did. Incredibly frustrating and we just cannot shake off this mid table tag.
 

What’s going to give? We must win the next two games. No excuse v those two who have been exceptionally poor. If we don’t get six points then major questions need to be asked of Manning and Tinnion. Our summer recruitment for the forward line has really cost us, what a waste is the Scott funds. 

The summer business was absolutely shocking. The two forwards we bought are up there with the Lois Diony signing - absolutely terrible 

Regards Manning - he hasn't made us any better or any worse. We scream mediocrity. The manager, the staff, the players - we won't finish above midtable as long Manning is in charge. Simply to soft. 

15th to 11th in 13 months. Talk about aiming for the stars 

[Slack Bladder]

I thought we were more entertaining under Hogg

[milo1111]

2 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

Where’s the progress? Virtually identical, if not slightly worse points per game, a powderpuff strike force and a defence that’s gone backwards.

Defence is ok. Even mcnally is starting to look good after an average start with us. Our forwards are our problem.  Dreadful striker recruitment this summer. 

[Shauntaylor85]

3 minutes ago, harrym said:

Nice to see you back out Shaun

If you guys are happy with mid table and 7 points off play offs before December then good luck to you. 

[Curr Avon]

9 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

It’s almost like some of our fans (noted on the podcasts in particular) treat us like we are a youth team trying hard and unlucky to lose. I get that with my son’s under 8 team….not with a side who we have spent millions and backed the manager like no other and quoting aspirations of PL. No excuses, if we can’t beat Plymouth and Portsmouth who are both awful sides then we may as well call it a day. 

Nigel Pearson is levels above Liam Manning. Worst decision in years! 

Hope you feel better soon.

[Shauntaylor85]

4 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

The summer business was absolutely shocking. The two forwards we bought are up there with the Lois Diony signing - absolutely terrible 

Regards Manning - he hasn't made us any better or any worse. We scream mediocrity. The manager, the staff, the players - we won't finish above midtable as long Manning is in charge. Simply to soft. 

15th to 11th in 13 months. Talk about aiming for the stars 

Progress, Premier League…..honestly something needs to change. Collectively it’s not good enough and they haven’t backed up their shocking decision to get rid of Nige, Flem, Rennie etc. I firmly believe that team would have us competing higher up if backed. 

Edited November 26 by Shauntaylor85

[Fjmcity]

Welcome back

[Curr Avon]

Just now, Shauntaylor85 said:

Progress, Premier League…..honestly something needs to change. Collectively it’s not good enough and they haven’t backed up their shocking decision to get rid of Nige, Flem, Rennie etc. I firmly believe that team would have us competing higher up if backed. 

Have you tried St John's Wort?

[38MC]

You’re having a mare here Shaun. Piping up when our games have been Sheff Utd, Burnley, and Norwich and Watford away. 
 

Newsflash the problem is YOU if you don’t expect to lose ground amongst that fixture list. 

The reality is we won one of those games, and the three we lost we didn’t deserve 0 points from that 270 minutes and anyone without an agenda would agree.

Edited November 26 by 38MC

[BarneyCity]

1 minute ago, Curr Avon said:

Have you tried St John's Wort?

No but I do have a verruca

[HengroveReds]

Easy to blame the manager, and totally understand it’s a results driven business. Bar a couple of games with been totally in games against top opposition and played well. We have come on leap and strides since Pearson left imo, it’s a new group which will take time to gel, and in glimpses we see that. Give the bloke time! 

[Bs4Red]

Absolutely wild this, you must have had this in storage for a few weeks. 
We were by far and away the better side up until the goal, created some really good moments and totally nullified Watford. 
 

The football again tonight in spells was tidy and combinations were good to open up space, just lacked that little bit in the final third. 
 

The football is miles ahead of where it was last year and I’m not sure what more you can ask from LM tonight, set the side up perfectly, we got sucker punched and then struggled to regain the same control, he’s brought players on to change the game and it hasn’t happened. 
 

Two weeks ago everyone was saying how we’ve turned the corner etc. We’ve lost to 3 really good sides since then, Watford unbeaten at home and two sides down from the Prem. 

It’s absolutely mind boggling people think we are just suddenly going to beat everyone and when we don’t let’s just slag Manning off because it’s easy. 
 

It’s just really ******* boring now, you’re not even looking for a conversation or debate, sad when the forum is like this. 

[ExiledAjax]

23 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Sorry but time is running out for me….where are the results? 7 points off play offs now, look wanting versus anyone remotely decent. Centre forwards are probably at an all time low in our championship era this time around. Fail to see this team taking us any further than Nige did. Incredibly frustrating and we just cannot shake off this mid table tag.
 

What’s going to give? We must win the next two games. No excuse v those two who have been exceptionally poor. If we don’t get six points then major questions need to be asked of Manning and Tinnion. Our summer recruitment for the forward line has really cost us, what a waste is the Scott funds. 

You're just saying what everyone's been afraid to say for weeks.

Stunning, and brave.

[ProfitInMyPocket]

He ain't going nowhere, more likely to get a new contract than the sack.

Manning has been tactically out-thought at half time too many times this season. He's got a couple right but whenever an opposition team makes a change at half time I'm dreading the second half, get done over almost every time and we react too late or our options just aren't good enough.

A progressive style of football playing through the thirds Vs a basic counter one ball style with minimal build up.

Would you rather be in an around the playoffs playing Watfords way or midtable playing nice tippy tappy stuff like we do? 

Play that fancy way all you like, if you haven't got killers in forward areas you ain't going to get nowhere. 

I usually don't complain about referees much but the last couple have been frustrating but that ain't the reason we aren't higher up in the league.

Inconsistent hierarchy, inconsistent management with an inconsistent squad. Same old City, maybe someday the penny will drop. 

 

[Rob k]

2 minutes ago, 38MC said:

You’re having a mare here Shaun. Piping up when our games have been Sheff Utd, Burnley, and Norwich and Watford away. 
 

Newsflash the problem is YOU if you don’t expect to lose ground amongst that fixture list. 

The reality is we won one of those games, and the three we lost we didn’t deserve 0 points from that 270 minutes and anyone without an agenda would agree.

Tbf - we probably have got what we deserved against Sheff Utd and tonight as we gave away 2 soft goals v SU and didnt score when well on top tonight. 

[sh1t_ref_again]

24 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Sorry but time is running out for me….where are the results? 7 points off play offs now, look wanting versus anyone remotely decent. Centre forwards are probably at an all time low in our championship era this time around. Fail to see this team taking us any further than Nige did. Incredibly frustrating and we just cannot shake off this mid table tag.
 

What’s going to give? We must win the next two games. No excuse v those two who have been exceptionally poor. If we don’t get six points then major questions need to be asked of Manning and Tinnion. Our summer recruitment for the forward line has really cost us, what a waste is the Scott funds. 

Wondered how long the most negative poster would suddenly re-appear after a loss to spout nonsense 

 

[38MC]

3 minutes ago, Rob k said:

Tbf - we probably have got what we deserved against Sheff Utd and tonight as we gave away 2 soft goals v SU and didnt score when well on top tonight. 

You’re taking periods of games in isolation - momentary lapses in concentration for example against sheff utd. 

Over the 270 minutes vs Burnley, Sheff Utd and Watford away, all of them will walk away feeling ‘worked bloody hard for those three points’ is a different slant. 

I stand by we can feel hard done by to walk away with nothing. 

Edited November 26 by 38MC

[Cov 77]

6 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Sorry but time is running out for me….where are the results? 7 points off play offs now, look wanting versus anyone remotely decent. Centre forwards are probably at an all time low in our championship era this time around. Fail to see this team taking us any further than Nige did. Incredibly frustrating and we just cannot shake off this mid table tag.
 

What’s going to give? We must win the next two games. No excuse v those two who have been exceptionally poor. If we don’t get six points then major questions need to be asked of Manning and Tinnion. Our summer recruitment for the forward line has really cost us, what a waste is the Scott funds. 

 

17 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

It’s almost like some of our fans (noted on the podcasts in particular) treat us like we are a youth team trying hard and unlucky to lose. I get that with my son’s under 8 team….not with a side who we have spent millions and backed the manager like no other and quoting aspirations of PL. No excuses, if we can’t beat Plymouth and Portsmouth who are both awful sides then we may as well call it a day. 

Nigel Pearson is levels above Liam Manning. Worst decision in years! 

Tonight was frustrating rather than bad as we played pretty well, tbh ever since Nige went you’ve been like a broken record, you won’t give Manning any credit whatever happens because of what happened a year ago , to say you are dogged in banging the same drum is an understatement 

[Ronnie Sinclair]

Bringing the good name of Shaun Taylor into complete disrepute - what a mess

[MelksRed]

18 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

City on course to consolidate a dull mid table position

Mystic Pongo 

I'd place a bet mate....likely to come off. 

[Gakoe]

I really, really, really, really, really, really, wanted LJ to succeed. He let me down. 

I really, really, really, really really, really wanted NP to succeed. He was stitched up.

I really, really blah blah blah. 

It's bollox isn't it!! We're going nowhere. Same old, same old.

[Dastardly and Muttley]

18 minutes ago, SODS_LAW said:

It takes time? We are playing good football look organised and solid. figure out the last bit and we will start to fly! It’s the hardest bit tho!!

actually unbelievable if you can’t see the difference between this time last year, 1st time in years we look like a good football team. 

 

 

He’s had a year and brought in McNally, Twine, Yu, Bird, McGuane, Armstrong, Earthy, Mayulu and whoever else I’ve forgotten and we’re no further forward.

 

[Rob k]

3 minutes ago, 38MC said:

You’re taking periods of games in isolation - momentary lapses in concentration for example against sheff utd. 

Over the 270 minutes vs Burnley, Sheff Utd and Watford away, all of them will walk away feeling ‘worked bloody hard for those three points’ is a different slant. 

I stand by we can feel hard done by to walk away with nothing. 

They have had to work hard but all 3 teams have beaton us. My point is we only have ourselves to blame so have got what we deserved by a) being very sloppy in defence and b) not clinical enough at the other end. Watford have had one real shot on goal tonight and walked away with 3 points 

[Superjack]

As much as I want the Lansdowns to sell up, nothing will change at this football club until Brian Tinnion is out of the picture.

[bcfc_gaz]

We would be ok if every game kicked off at 3pm on Saturday. Isn't that where all of wins have come from? Curse of Sky strikes again

[Bris Red]

I was one of Nigels biggest fans and still am gutted and angry at the way he left the club.

However, recent performances including tonights are performances i can get on board with to be honest. Manning has us playing some good football, i could understand it if we were getting battered and outfought in games but F me how unlucky have we been to not get at least a point tonight and in the games against Sheffield united and Burnley.

As others have said Brian Tinnion and whatever plebs he has in his recruitment team is the real issue at the football club. How Brian ******* Tinnion is even in the position he is in is beggars belief to be honest. A disgrace in fact.

Edited November 26 by Bris Red

[Silvio Dante]

This isn’t an LM out post, more an observation of where a frustrating lack of progress has arisen.

Today reminded me of the Southampton away game last year, LMs third in charge. We were superb the first half there, Martin made a tactical change, they scored and we then didn’t look like scoring. 
 

Replace Southampton and Martin with Watford and Cleverly, it’s exactly the same story. Watford scored on 52 minutes. In 44 minutes we had one speculative effort that hit the bar. Other than that we were kept totally at arms length.

And by the end of the game, we were playing very slowly - and more seriously compressed the game. A left back at right wing and a number 10 at left wing meant both tried to move central and there was no space. We probably lost that game on firstly the Sissoko sub, and then the Roberts one. The first snuffed us, the second meant we had no right side attacking and made Watford’s job easy to work out how to combat us.

Again, this isn’t a “sack LM” post. What it is a post saying is that there is an Achilles heel of game management. And the same issues from a year ago remain. When LM gets us playing well - as in the first half hour today - he gets us playing very well. But games are won and lost in the dugout. That was today. And when plan A doesn’t give you the results, we need plan B. And not what it was today!

[PFree]

We are shopping for players in the lower leagues or seeking bargains from abroad I.e. mostly unproven at this level, and paying low wages when compared to the better teams in the division, you will get effort from youngsters but not the nouse and quality to win games like this evening.

That said we were unlucky, once again it’s fine margins, had we scored or their defender been red carded, it could well have been very different.

I enjoyed our time with NP and was gutted when he went, but I feel ever so slightly better about the football I am now seeing. The hardest part is scoring goals and that for me is where our recent investment and recruitment has been really poor.

Edited November 26 by PFree

[RobImps]

29 minutes ago, Slack Bladder said:

I thought we were more entertaining under Hogg

Absolutely agree. 

We were far less robotic and predictable. 

[SydneyCity]

33 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

The board let him waste millions in the summer, so can’t let it look like he’s failed. 

In this day and age, I don't think managers, and coaches especially, decide which players a club is going to bring in. They can give feedback and opinion to the club but ultimately, it's their job to just coach the players that are made available to them to the best of their ability.

With our structure, it's ultimately down to the football director, as referenced by Tinnion always trotting out how they'd been looking at players for years and trying to get them pre-dating Manning's appointment.

Some may argue Twine as a Manning signing but I'm guessing it's more likely that Twine was available, Tinnion's ego wanted a "big name" signing and Manning was told "We can get Twine, do you want him?" to which Manning would undoubtedly say "Yes". If the technical director is telling you they can get him, and you don't fancy what else you're being offered, then why not?

[Jimbo76]

43 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Sorry but time is running out for me….where are the results? 7 points off play offs now, look wanting versus anyone remotely decent. Centre forwards are probably at an all time low in our championship era this time around. Fail to see this team taking us any further than Nige did. Incredibly frustrating and we just cannot shake off this mid table tag.
 

What’s going to give? We must win the next two games. No excuse v those two who have been exceptionally poor. If we don’t get six points then major questions need to be asked of Manning and Tinnion. Our summer recruitment for the forward line has really cost us, what a waste is the Scott funds. 

A manager is as good as the performances he gets out of his available squad.  On that basis, looking at our recent performances amongst a lot of injuries,  I'm still positive about Manning as our manager.

Our consistent flaw is that we won't invest the money we need to get to the next level.  You say Manning has been backed financially.  Compared to most teams in the top half of the table,  we haven't spent big money. 

[ray savino]

To be fair I thought we played really good football until their goal, and until the final third of the pitch. We look too indecisive up front and too many of our players make consistently poor decisions when we get in that final third. Until we crack this then we won’t trouble the top six. Our football has improved to me, but until we get that decision making better up front then be prepared to be frustrated. My big concern is that our striker ”projects“ are going to have to come on leaps and bounds quickly if we want to seriously challenge this season. It will certainly be interesting to see what we do to improve this especially for next season if we end up mid-table again.  

[Mr Popodopolous]

10 minutes ago, bcfc_gaz said:

We would be ok if every game kicked off at 3pm on Saturday. Isn't that where all of wins have come from? Curse of Sky strikes again

Same for all.

[lenred]

20 minutes ago, 38MC said:

all of them will walk away feeling ‘worked bloody hard for those three points’

Not getting into any management change discussions, but whoever is manager this is the very minimum requirement of any team.  

[38MC]

10 minutes ago, Rob k said:

Watford have had one real shot on goal tonight and walked away with 3 points 

Rob, come on. They did have one real shot on target… but that’s also disingenuous. It was a great finish that hit the inside of the far post and was unstoppable. 

[Bs4Red]

4 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

This isn’t an LM out post, more an observation of where a frustrating lack of progress has arisen.

Today reminded me of the Southampton away game last year, LMs third in charge. We were superb the first half there, Martin made a tactical change, they scored and we then didn’t look like scoring. 
 

Replace Southampton and Martin with Watford and Cleverly, it’s exactly the same story. Watford scored on 52 minutes. In 44 minutes we had one speculative effort that hit the bar. Other than that we were kept totally at arms length.

And by the end of the game, we were playing very slowly - and more seriously compressed the game. A left back at right wing and a number 10 at left wing meant both tried to move central and there was no space. We probably lost that game on firstly the Sissoko sub, and then the Roberts one. The first snuffed us, the second meant we had no right side attacking and made Watford’s job easy to work out how to combat us.

Again, this isn’t a “sack LM” post. What it is a post saying is that there is an Achilles heel of game management. And the same issues from a year ago remain. When LM gets us playing well - as in the first half hour today - he gets us playing very well. But games are won and lost in the dugout. That was today. And when plan A doesn’t give you the results, we need plan B. And not what it was today!

I don’t disagree with this to a degree mate, I think we lacked any sort of idea of how to get back into the game tonight, however the one thing lacking from your synopsis is the opposition. 
Watford at home are absolutely formidable and have only conceded 4 goals in 8 games, they’ve won every game they’ve been ahead in at home also. 
 

We need to find a plan B to break these sides down but in the flip side nobody else so far has been able too. 
 

I think the major thing for us at the moment is making our dominance count. Nakhi had a great opportunity and if not for a poor touch should score, Mehmeti got in some fantastic positions and made some awful choices. 
Bachmann has made a couple of sublime saves also. 
 

I really believe things are getting better and it’s clear to see that, just that cutting edge. Which unfortunately is a whole other debate which again I don’t think LM can be slated for, he’s signed what his budget and the club have offered him. 
Still early days for Fally, Armstrong, Yu, McNally but I still believe will come good. 
 

 

[Bris Red]

2 minutes ago, Jimbo76 said:

A manager is as good as the performances he gets out of his available squad.  On that basis, looking at our recent performances amongst a lot of injuries,  I'm still positive about Manning as our manager.

Our consistent flaw is that we won't invest the money we need to get to the next level.  You say Manning has been backed financially.  Compared to most teams in the top half of the table,  we haven't spent big money. 

Agreed. People keep bleating on about us 'spunking £10million in the summer' like £10million is some huge warchest in the championship..

Clubs are spending that on one player at this level, and then giving them £30 k plus a week aswell..

 

[McNasty Filth]

40 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

Where’s the progress? Virtually identical, if not slightly worse points per game, a powderpuff strike force and a defence that’s gone backwards.

If you can't see the progress you might as well go and do something else on a Saturday and mid week because this football malarkey clearly ain't for you!

[Rob k]

2 minutes ago, 38MC said:

Rob, come on. They did have one real shot on target… but that’s also disingenuous. It was a great finish that hit the inside of the far post and was unstoppable. 

Sorry, i may not have been clear reading my post back, i meant sloppy in defence v Sheffield Utd, and not clinical this evening when well on top 

[Graham76]

I’ve come around to Manning and what he’s trying to achieve, but he should have addressed our striker situation.  It’s insane we’re having to rely on wells. 

[Gazred]

Not really sure what people expect season upon season. Historically we make up the numbers in this division when we have been fortunate enough to be in it.

I've seen far worse at this level from us over the years. Most weeks we need to be putting in 7/10 performances all over as a minimum to produce a decent performance and even then it doesn't guarantee you 3pts.

It's a tough league. Suggestions to improve us seem to include replacing the owner, chairman, technical director, manager, coaches and buying better players. If it's that simple then why are there 24 points between top and bottom currently?

It will take a special seson to get us up and when we do, we will do it punching above our weight. We all want success in this league but we have no right to it whatsoever.

Edited November 26 by Gazred

[Bs4Red]

1 minute ago, Bris Red said:

Agreed. People keep bleating on about us 'spunking £10million in the summer' like £10million is some huge warchest in the championship..

Clubs are spending that on one player at this level, and then giving them £30 k plus a week aswell..

 

Blurred vision because of the previous, it’s quite clear that Manning has decreased the wage budget. 
 

James and Weimann gone, he may have spent £10m but also sold Tommy to counter balance that. 

It’s almost like people expected us not to invest in any players like every other club in the world do. 
 

If he wasn’t under financial constraints I would suggest we would have signed a more proven striker instead of potential long term investments we have. 

 

[Shauntaylor85]

23 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

He’s had a year and brought in McNally, Twine, Yu, Bird, McGuane, Armstrong, Earthy, Mayulu and whoever else I’ve forgotten and we’re no further forward.

5 minutes ago, McNasty Filth said:

If you can't see the progress you might as well go and do something else on a Saturday and mid week because this football malarkey clearly ain't for you!

Why? Why can’t fans show their frustrations? What was the PR story of this appointment? And where are we now? We are not progressing. 

[Silvio Dante]

3 minutes ago, Bs4Red said:

I don’t disagree with this to a degree mate, I think we lacked any sort of idea of how to get back into the game tonight, however the one thing lacking from your synopsis is the opposition. 
Watford at home are absolutely formidable and have only conceded 4 goals in 8 games, they’ve won every game they’ve been ahead in at home also. 
 

We need to find a plan B to break these sides down but in the flip side nobody else so far has been able too. 
 

I think the major thing for us at the moment is making our dominance count. Nakhi had a great opportunity and if not for a poor touch should score, Mehmeti got in some fantastic positions and made some awful choices. 
Bachmann has made a couple of sublime saves also. 
 

I really believe things are getting better and it’s clear to see that, just that cutting edge. Which unfortunately is a whole other debate which again I don’t think LM can be slated for, he’s signed what his budget and the club have offered him. 
Still early days for Fally, Armstrong, Yu, McNally but I still believe will come good. 
 

 

Agreed in the main. The key aspect there is turning dominance into goals. I didn’t think against Burnley we really deserved anything overall or had any spells of real “dominance” (that last half hour was them in a block saying “break us down”), but today we undoubtedly had a large chunk of the game where we were by far the better side, and didn’t capitalise. The Bachman saves were excellent, particularly the one that could have been an OG.

Totally acknowledge the point that there are two sides, and I think some of the frustration is that the coaching team clearly can come up with a way to match some of the better teams, and even better them. It might be a case of those better teams having more resources to change things when that happens, but what shouldn’t happen is like in the second half today a bit of playing into their hands. We’ve got to problem solve better. And that is from the bench for me.