Fally or Cornick

[Alan Dicks]

Who would you rather have come on tonight? 

[Shauntaylor85]

Cornick over both those terrible summer signings. Tinnion had such an easy ride last week!!!

[BCFCGav]

We went direct to Fally twice in stoppage time and he made himself a nuisance. Sparked our only attack of the last 10 or so minutes. 

Maybe that’s his role. If we’re down and not creating, bring him on, put players near him, and lump it at him.

[bristol red]

Need to play 2 up top

[fly in the air]

should have kept Andy. Armstrong and Fally are 2 very poor strikers. leaque one level at best. what was that clown Tinnion thinking off with these 2  more money wasted.

[Supersonic Robin]

I'd much rather have Mayulu.

I know some are losing patience, but IMO there might be a player there. He's shown a lot of good the elements - finishing, holding up the ball, athleticism in behind, etc. He's just yet to put it all together, and do so consistently. How long will that take to happen? Will it ever happen? No idea.

Even if I don't have much confidence in any of our forward options, I'd at least prefer to give minute to developing a player (e.g. Mayulu) over a player who doesn't really have a future here (e.g. Cornick).

Edited November 26 by Supersonic Robin

[fgrsimon]

Cornick should come on with 10 to go when we are chasing the game. Long throws v tired defenders quite often cause chaos, even at international level. Even saw it at the Euros this summer.

[pongo88]

3 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

We went direct to Fally twice in stoppage time and he made himself a nuisance. Sparked our only attack of the last 10 or so minutes. 

Maybe that’s his role. If we’re down and not creating, bring him on, put players near him, and lump it at him.

In the past, when things were desperate in the latter stages of a match, it was usual to push a centre half up front to be a nuisance. Thump a few high balls up to him and hope. If that’s all we can hope for with Fally then we’re doomed, doomed 

[MelksRed]

14 minutes ago, Alan Dicks said:

Who would you rather have come on tonight? 

Neither. My dead grandmother has more presence than either in front of goal.

[Ashton Yate]

Not getting Moussa Sylla in the summer was key. Had a good record in France and has 6 goals in 10 for Schalke this season. We were very close, but pipped at the last minute. He was clearly no.1 choice and way better than Fally. Fally was Plan B. Things could have been very different had we got that one over the line.

[BCFCGav]

I honestly don’t know the solution to the goals problem. For a winger, Anis is having a fairly productive season with four. Yu has a couple. Twine has one in far fewer minutes.

Fally and Sinclair both have strengths but also have gaps in their game too large to overlook. As poor as it is from a recruitment standpoint, Wells is our best starting option. And when Wells and Anis have games where they don’t score, we just probably won’t score.

[Aberdeen Pete's Dad]

In 1974/5 Cheesley scored 2 and Ritchie 3. We all know what happened the next season. It is far too early to dismiss Armstrong and Mayulu. They yet be good but they may not. We Weil know in 12-24 months.

[luke_bristol]

24 minutes ago, Ashton Yate said:

Not getting Moussa Sylla in the summer was key. Had a good record in France and has 6 goals in 10 for Schalke this season. We were very close, but pipped at the last minute. He was clearly no.1 choice and way better than Fally. Fally was Plan B. Things could have been very different had we got that one over the line.

They said at the Fans conference thing that we haven’t been turned down by a player.

[Mr Popodopolous]

25 minutes ago, Ashton Yate said:

Not getting Moussa Sylla in the summer was key. Had a good record in France and has 6 goals in 10 for Schalke this season. We were very close, but pipped at the last minute. He was clearly no.1 choice and way better than Fally. Fally was Plan B. Things could have been very different had we got that one over the line.

He is further along in his development too, 24, 25 isn't he?

[GrahamC]

Pointless asking, Cornick isn’t coming on.

[And Its Smith]

13 minutes ago, luke_bristol said:

They said at the Fans conference thing that we haven’t been turned down by a player.

That’s not what they actually said though. They said we hadn’t been turned down by a player who had visited the training ground 

[Topper 123]

Manager needs to swallow pride and bring on best forward and that’s cornick 

[GrahamC]

3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

That’s not what they actually said though. They said we hadn’t been turned down by a player who had visited the training ground 

Then Tinnion remembered Sylla & said “apart from him”..

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Ashton Yate said:

Not getting Moussa Sylla in the summer was key. Had a good record in France and has 6 goals in 10 for Schalke this season. We were very close, but pipped at the last minute. He was clearly no.1 choice and way better than Fally. Fally was Plan B. Things could have been very different had we got that one over the line.

If it really was Sylla #1, missed out so pivoted quickly to Mayulu #2, then god knows how they go about meeting the recruitment brief.  Sylla and Mayulu are completely different types of striker.  That is worrying!

[Ashton Yate]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

If it really was Sylla #1, missed out so pivoted quickly to Mayulu #2, then god knows how they go about meeting the recruitment brief.  Sylla and Mayulu are completely different types of striker.  That is worrying!

Maybe they planned to get both? Who knows! Sylla further along in his development and Fally more of a long term project. Sylla was definitely the main one though I feel.

[EX8 Red]

1 hour ago, MelksRed said:

Neither. My dead grandmother has more presence than either in front of goal.

Would have more faith in Bas Savage.

[cidercity1987]

I felt sorry for Fally tonight, difficult for him to do anything when the ball is belted up surrounded by 3 defenders and none of our players near. I think we were hoping for him to pull the ball down, jinx past three and stick it top corner for a point

[Davefevs]

44 minutes ago, Ashton Yate said:

Maybe they planned to get both? Who knows! Sylla further along in his development and Fally more of a long term project. Sylla was definitely the main one though I feel.

Yes, quite possibly…but then instead of comparing Mayulu as the next pick for Sylla, you’re comparing Armstrong with Sylla

FWIW I don’t think Mayulu, Armstrong or Sylla are alike, but if Sylla is your no1, it confuses me how you get Mayulu and Armstrong.  Sylla is more Wells-like.  That’s my point (I think).

[Superjack]

2 hours ago, Aberdeen Pete's Dad said:

In 1974/5 Cheesley scored 2 and Ritchie 3. We all know what happened the next season. It is far too early to dismiss Armstrong and Mayulu. They yet be good but they may not. We Weil know in 12-24 months.

You can't wait 12-24 months to have a potent strike force.

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 hours ago, Aberdeen Pete's Dad said:

In 1974/5 Cheesley scored 2 and Ritchie 3. We all know what happened the next season. It is far too early to dismiss Armstrong and Mayulu. They yet be good but they may not. We Weil know in 12-24 months.

 

19 minutes ago, Superjack said:

You can't wait 12-24 months to have a potent strike force.

Certainly not impossible that why can come good medium term but what do we do until then- just accept we mooch around in the middle third with the odd Cup upset and League Coupon Buster win and shocker of a loss?

[REDOXO]

Cornick must be laughing his cock off. 
 

Bodgit and Doolittle getting time before him. 
 

Conway must be laughing his cock off too!

Our brilliant summer transfer business. Take a bow Brian/Liam!

[westonred]

7 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said:

I'd much rather have Mayulu.

I know some are losing patience, but IMO there might be a player there. He's shown a lot of good the elements - finishing, holding up the ball, athleticism in behind, etc. He's just yet to put it all together, and do so consistently. How long will that take to happen? Will it ever happen? No idea.

Even if I don't have much confidence in any of our forward options, I'd at least prefer to give minute to developing a player (e.g. Mayulu) over a player who doesn't really have a future here (e.g. Cornick).

Mayula and Sincs are not good enough yet who knows they might be one day However if we are serious about getting in the top six we need players for NOW not sometime in the future I would prefer to have SPH or Yeboah on the bench rather than those two we wasted money on

[HengroveReds]

Start Fally from the off on Saturday, the only way he’s going to get better / more confidence is by playing minutes. No good for confidence if he’s coming on for odd 20 mins every 3/4 games. 

[Ashtongreight]

6 minutes ago, HengroveReds said:

Start Fally from the off on Saturday, the only way he’s going to get better / more confidence is by playing minutes. No good for confidence if he’s coming on for odd 20 mins every 3/4 games. 

That’s a good point, do with Fally what he did with Mehmeti, and to a point Armstrong earlier in the season, show confidence in him  and pick him to start for a few games to build up his confidence and get him fully match fit.

[westonred]

17 minutes ago, HengroveReds said:

Start Fally from the off on Saturday, the only way he’s going to get better / more confidence is by playing minutes. No good for confidence if he’s coming on for odd 20 mins every 3/4 games. 

It's honourable that you are sticking by the player but do you honestly think he has done enough to prove he is worth a start .  We need to win games at the moment as we are falling into a slump losing 3 out of 4 games. now is not the time to experiment to see if he might become good

[roadyred]

I can’t recall Fally coming into a game and missing a chance. I think he’s getting a rough ride from the manager and fans. If he was squandering chance after chance then yes, consider it bad business, but he’s not. He's getting 10-15 mins each week and expected to change the game. His last 3-4 outings I can’t recall him touching the ball in the box. We’ve faded in all our recent games, we haven’t applied any pressure or created any real chances. Our subs collectively haven’t impacted a game for quite some time, last night for example, we needed width and we had Pring and Roberts as wing backs.

Id 100% be starting him against Argyle, I am sure we will create chances and then we will have a better indication of what he’s about. I think Fally is a part of a much bigger problem which is our subs very rarely change a game (other than Millwall I can’t think of a time our subs have made an impact).

Until he’s been given a run starting matches (like Armstrong) I’m prepared to reserve judgement. 

[BeggyBlaggers]

Fally came on last night and was quite anonymous for the first 5mins or so, we removed any wide play with a compacted centre of the pitch, then he started to put himself about a bit....ive no idea on his playing history, but has he ever played as a lone striker before? 

If hes having to drop back to get 'involved' in the game - hes out of position. Thats not on him, thats on tactics.

[westonred]

48 minutes ago, roadyred said:

I can’t recall Fally coming into a game and missing a chance.

Exactly he doesnt get in the positions to get a chance

[exAtyeoMax]

I’d have brought Harry on. 

[Mr Hankey]

Neither Cornick or Mayulu are the answer unfortunately. I do think Armstrong is likely to come good, but can imagine it will take a couple of years & that will coincide with him having 18/12 months left on his deal, so will be quickly sold on for a marginal profit!

[roadyred]

37 minutes ago, westonred said:

Exactly he doesnt get in the positions to get a chance

I know what you mean but it isn’t as simple as that. Take last night for example. What can Mayulu do in those 20 minutes? He can’t run in behind because they’re sat too deep. He came short but the midfield area was congested, so all he can do is wait for us to work it wide and then get into the box. We chose to play with Pring and Roberts as widemen for those 20 mins, so basically he was never going to get a chance. I can’t recall us getting into their box when he was on. We could have had Halaand upfront, wouldn’t have made a difference. 
 

We don’t have the players around him to create opportunities in a spell like that, we’ve seen this for years, if teams sit back we have no answer. Against the better teams we can’t afford to go 1-0 down.

[TheReds]

I'd take a chance and start Fally against Argyle, we surely have to create some chances against them, the only issue is they will certainly be trying to massively tighten up after last night. I think we need to get in front against them so they will be more open. It could really get his confidence up as well.

Not sure what he really did wrong last night, unless he isn't listening to the gaffers instructions, he did one bit of great play on the left taking on a few players and laying it off. He had 2 decent finishes at the start of the season so there is surely a player in there, whether or not he makes it with us longterm is another question though. I think it is way too early to write him off completely though, as not sure what is expected from someone getting 15 minutes here and there.

[Jerseybean]

View on HCs future here: https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/he-needs-to-go-elsewhere-bristol-city-harry-cornick/

 

[slartibartfast]

Can't understand why HC hasn't been given a chance, not even off the bench, He puts himself about and knows what Champ football is all about. One thing's for sure he couldn't do any worse than the present incumbents !

[The Original OTIB]

7 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Can't understand why HC hasn't been given a chance, not even off the bench, He puts himself about and knows what Champ football is all about. One thing's for sure he couldn't do any worse than the present incumbents !

Signed by Nige, they could not cope if he did well now. Ridiculous to bench a man every week and never use him especially when youngsters are failing. Might as well leave him out altogether. 

[Charlie BCFC]

Be good to see Cornick given a chance at some point, don’t think he’s got a minute in the league this season. However I have a lot of faith in Fally, looked a really good player first few games but he’s clearly shot of confidence. Don’t think he did badly last night, but he also never looked like scoring.

[Sir Geoff]

12 hours ago, Aberdeen Pete's Dad said:

In 1974/5 Cheesley scored 2 and Ritchie 3. We all know what happened the next season. It is far too early to dismiss Armstrong and Mayulu. They yet be good but they may not. We Weil know in 12-24 months.

Probably because Gillies and Fear were our main strikers that season.

Cheesley played 13 times.

[DaveInSA]

If you gave Armstrong a banjo in a farmyard, he’d struggle to hit the barn door. 

Wells, does what he does and normally does it well.

Cornick - :laugh: - will never score.

Fally - no idea - not seen enough of him to judge.

Clearly, we’re going with one striker under Liam, and that striker must fit the style we play in. But as we don’t have a style, that’s a bit of a non-starter.

[Davefevs]

6 hours ago, westonred said:

Mayula and Sincs are not good enough yet who knows they might be one day However if we are serious about getting in the top six we need players for NOW not sometime in the future I would prefer to have SPH or Yeboah on the bench rather than those two we wasted money on

Tinnion reiterated “we want now”, so any claims that either of these (Armstrong and Mayulu) are for a year or more down the line, is making excuses for recruitment imho.  They were signed on the expectation to be at the required level - now, but with potential to develop beyond.  If they aren’t good enough now (fans opinion is largely irrelevant but makes for good debate on OTIB), then that is the fault of the recruitment collective.

5 hours ago, HengroveReds said:

Start Fally from the off on Saturday, the only way he’s going to get better / more confidence is by playing minutes. No good for confidence if he’s coming on for odd 20 mins every 3/4 games. 

But if you are gonna play him, give him the tools to give him a chance of being a success.  Playing him isolated, expecting him to lead the press / block for example doesn’t seem to be his forté.

4 hours ago, BeggyBlaggers said:

Fally came on last night and was quite anonymous for the first 5mins or so, we removed any wide play with a compacted centre of the pitch, then he started to put himself about a bit....ive no idea on his playing history, but has he ever played as a lone striker before? 

If hes having to drop back to get 'involved' in the game - hes out of position. Thats not on him, thats on tactics.

Having watched a lot of clips of him this summer 1) Austrian Bundesliga is quite fast paced (they love a gegenpress style of football) 2) he might be classed as the 1 in a 4231, but it was clear he played back to goal with runners off of him.  He plays predominantly off of his first touch.  He doesn’t want to wait for others to get close to him, he needs them there at point the ball is played to him.

We saw that in his appearance vs Cov (cup) where Wells played with him and he looked good (imho).

1 hour ago, The Original OTIB said:

Signed by Nige, they could not cope if he did well now. Ridiculous to bench a man every week and never use him especially when youngsters are failing. Might as well leave him out altogether. 

I think it’s less about Nige and more about the 2 strikers signed and it looking bad.  Hell, it’s bad enough them seeing Nahki having to lead the line!

[Fuber]

When you have Bird playing as poorly as he has the last two, no harm in Playing Fally and Twine for a start imo.

[Simon bristol]

14 hours ago, Topper 123 said:

Manager needs to swallow pride and bring on best forward and that’s cornick 

If that was true, then what a joke that is… surely fally is much more likely to finish than cornick is, unless his sole purpose is long throws.

[Dolman Block B]

At least Cornick runs with loads of enthusiasm and gives his all.

 

Fally dont seem to have a care in the world and i honestly believe he has  seriou attitude problem

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 13:16 by Dolman Block B

[myol'man]

Wells will probably soon pick up an injury from being overplayed. That'll coincide with the return of Bell who'll jump straight into the starting eleven.

Tinns star signings will stay on the beach  bench. 

Typo! Sorry 

[The Original OTIB]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Tinnion reiterated “we want now”, so any claims that either of these (Armstrong and Mayulu) are for a year or more down the line, is making excuses for recruitment imho.  They were signed on the expectation to be at the required level - now, but with potential to develop beyond.  If they aren’t good enough now (fans opinion is largely irrelevant but makes for good debate on OTIB), then that is the fault of the recruitment collective.

But if you are gonna play him, give him the tools to give him a chance of being a success.  Playing him isolated, expecting him to lead the press / block for example doesn’t seem to be his forté.

Having watched a lot of clips of him this summer 1) Austrian Bundesliga is quite fast paced (they love a gegenpress style of football) 2) he might be classed as the 1 in a 4231, but it was clear he played back to goal with runners off of him.  He plays predominantly off of his first touch.  He doesn’t want to wait for others to get close to him, he needs them there at point the ball is played to him.

We saw that in his appearance vs Cov (cup) where Wells played with him and he looked good (imho).

I think it’s less about Nige and more about the 2 strikers signed and it looking bad.  Hell, it’s bad enough them seeing Nahki having to lead the line!

If they had come via the academy, neither would be near the first team at the moment. Not to say they won't improve but we can't affiord to experiment with 2  in this category. Cornick older, wiser, better, for now, dumb not to use him, even in short term.

[Fuber]

47 minutes ago, Dolman Block B said:

At least Cornick runs with loads of enthusiasm and gives his all.

 

Fally dont seem to have a care in the world and i honestly believe he has  seriou attitude problem

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally don't think his body language has been bad. He's looked to make an impact everything he's come on - the issue is it's been at the same time as Sincs for the most part, who doesn't have much of a football brain, and they get in each other's way.

[Davefevs]

17 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

If they had come via the academy, neither would be near the first team at the moment. Not to say they won't improve but we can't affiord to experiment with 2  in this category. Cornick older, wiser, better, for now, dumb not to use him, even in short term.

Is that because there’s so pathway!

Armstrong has played 60 times at Champ level as an Academy player at QPR (equivalent of 25 full matches).  Why wouldn’t he be near the first team?

Mayulu’s experience at a similar(ish) level (Austrian Bundesliga) is less (equivalent of 15 full matches).  He’s probably not dissimilar to the experience level of a mix of Bell and Conway going into the start of last season.

[The Original OTIB]

14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Is that because there’s so pathway!

Armstrong has played 60 times at Champ level as an Academy player at QPR (equivalent of 25 full matches).  Why wouldn’t he be near the first team?

Mayulu’s experience at a similar(ish) level (Austrian Bundesliga) is less (equivalent of 15 full matches).  He’s probably not dissimilar to the experience level of a mix of Bell and Conway going into the start of last season.

Plug away and hope for the best? Neither starting, says it all. 

No belief in Manning's reply when asked about Fally last night. Visible grimace, seems very frustrated. Not writing them off but we needed to buy or keep experience, we did neither with these two and letting Andi go.

If not Cornick then we are going to have to convert someone to play up front as a temporary fix. Sykes could do it, very good finisher.

[j1974]

1 hour ago, Dolman Block B said:

At least Cornick runs with loads of enthusiasm and gives his all.

 

Fally dont seem to have a care in the world and i honestly believe he has  seriou attitude problem

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Saying that Fally has an attitude problem from the very brief appearance's he has made is a ridiculous statement. 

He may of been a little frustrated at times watching Sincs have more starts but offered nothing, when he has not really been given the same opportunity. 

Fally has that slight laid back look the way he plays but he is deceptively quick and has decent technical ability especially with regards to the couple of goals he has scored. 

 

I believe he just needs a run of games, it's the only way he is going to learn the pace, power and intensity of the league and adapt to it. 

[ExiledAjax]

2 hours ago, DaveInSA said:

If you gave Armstrong a banjo in a farmyard, he’d struggle to hit the barn door. 

You can criticise his goal return, but his ability to hit the target shouldn't be in question.

He's got a shot on target ratio of more than 50%, of all players in the division who have taken 15 or more shots, he's got the 7th best shot on target %.

And he's always had about a 50% rate through his (admittedly brief) career. Good shots as well, 0.15xG roughly, across his career, he can get into good positions, and he can hit the target.

Why aren't they turning into goals? I don't know. Someone posted a while ago that they thought he had a weak shot, or didn't hit the ball with force. That could make sense. You can hit the ball on target, from a position that gives a good xG rating, but if it's weak then it's likely to be saved or blocked.

It's a theory, and it and the stats are why I won't write him off. There's a goalscorer in there, but he might need some gym work, some technical training, to be brought out.

Edited Wednesday at 14:59 by ExiledAjax

[redsquirrel]

put scotty murray on,he runs about more

12 minutes ago, j1974 said:

1 hour ago, Dolman Block B said:

At least Cornick runs with loads of enthusiasm and gives his all.

 

Fally dont seem to have a care in the world and i honestly believe he has  seriou attitude problem

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Saying that Fally has an attitude problem from the very brief appearance's he has made is a ridiculous statement. 

He may of been a little frustrated at times watching Sincs have more starts but offered nothing, when he has not really been given the same opportunity. 

Fally has that slight laid back look the way he plays but he is deceptively quick and has decent technical ability especially with regards to the couple of goals he has scored. 

 

I believe he just needs a run of games, it's the only way he is going to learn the pace, power and intensity of the league and adapt to it. 

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[Mr Popodopolous]

12 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

You can criticise his goal return, but his ability to hit the target shouldn't be in question.

He's got a shot on target ratio of more than 50%, of all players in the division who have taken 15 or more shots, he's got the 7th best shot on target %.

And he's always had about a 50% rate through his (admittedly brief) career. Good shots as well, 0.15xG roughly, across his career, he can get into good positions, and he can hit the target.

Why aren't they turning into goals? I don't know. Someone posted a while ago that they thought he had a weak shot, or didn't hit the ball with force. That could make sense. You can hit the ball on target, from a position that gives a good xG rating, but if it's weak then it's likely to be saved or blocked.

It's a theory, and it and the stats are why I won't write him off. There's a goalscorer in there, but he might need some gym work, some technical training, to be brought out.

This somewhat backs up your argument albeit just one penalty won since those heady days if Mid August is a pretty poor direction of travel.

6 Big Chances Missed vs 2 Goals is too high though, would hope for 4 v 4 in that respect.

[ExiledAjax]

8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

6 Big Chances Missed vs 2 Goals is too high though, would hope for 4 v 4 in that respect.

Where are these from? Both stat sources I use have his numbers as better than this. Shots per game 2.48 and on target per game 1.31 for example.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, ExiledAjax said:

Where are these from? Both stat sources I use have his numbers as better than this. Shots per game 2.48 and on target per game 1.31 for example.

They are from SofaScore, perhaps it hasn't updated for a while.

[DaveInSA]

1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:

You can criticise his goal return, but his ability to hit the target shouldn't be in question.

He's got a shot on target ratio of more than 50%, of all players in the division who have taken 15 or more shots, he's got the 7th best shot on target %.

And he's always had about a 50% rate through his (admittedly brief) career. Good shots as well, 0.15xG roughly, across his career, he can get into good positions, and he can hit the target.

Why aren't they turning into goals? I don't know. Someone posted a while ago that they thought he had a weak shot, or didn't hit the ball with force. That could make sense. You can hit the ball on target, from a position that gives a good xG rating, but if it's weak then it's likely to be saved or blocked.

It's a theory, and it and the stats are why I won't write him off. There's a goalscorer in there, but he might need some gym work, some technical training, to be brought out.

So he’s hitting the barn door, with the wrong end of the banjo?

And you might be right. The question I have is that QPR knew this, and so do we, and yet here we are?

And I’m not dissing the lad’s effort - he puts in 110%.

[ExiledAjax]

2 minutes ago, DaveInSA said:

The question I have is that QPR knew this, and so do we, and yet here we are?

And I'll say that's a legitimate question, that I don't know the answer to.

But what I'd do, personally, and I say this fully knowing I am far from a football coach, is get him focusing on technique in the shot, explosive power in the gym, have him play centrally, and try to limit the time he has on the ball.

That last one means try and get him running onto the ball and taking first time shots rather than receiving, dribbling, and passing. He's weak in those areas, and I think we need to focus on playing to his strengths.

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:

Where are these from? Both stat sources I use have his numbers as better than this. Shots per game 2.48 and on target per game 1.31 for example.

I've found one that gives 2.59 Shots Per 90 as opposed to Per Game.

[Topper 123]

2 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

You can criticise his goal return, but his ability to hit the target shouldn't be in question.

He's got a shot on target ratio of more than 50%, of all players in the division who have taken 15 or more shots, he's got the 7th best shot on target %.

And he's always had about a 50% rate through his (admittedly brief) career. Good shots as well, 0.15xG roughly, across his career, he can get into good positions, and he can hit the target.

Why aren't they turning into goals? I don't know. Someone posted a while ago that they thought he had a weak shot, or didn't hit the ball with force. That could make sense. You can hit the ball on target, from a position that gives a good xG rating, but if it's weak then it's likely to be saved or blocked.

It's a theory, and it and the stats are why I won't write him off. There's a goalscorer in there, but he might need some gym work, some technical training, to be brought out.

These stats mean F all , all that counts is goals and he ain’t to clever with that stat

[Mr Popodopolous]

7 minutes ago, Topper 123 said:

These stats mean F all , all that counts is goals and he ain’t to clever with that stat

Ultimately though if a Player is scoring at an abnormally high rate it won't persist indefinitely in most cases.

May or may not work the other way, more variable and uncertain.

[Aberdeen Pete's Dad]

18 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

 

Certainly not impossible that why can come good medium term but what do we do until then- just accept we mooch around in the middle third with the odd Cup upset and League Coupon Buster win and shocker of a loss?

I’ve been waiting for 45 years. One more won’t make much difference !

[Aberdeen Pete's Dad]

8 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

Probably because Gillies and Fear were our main strikers that season.

Cheesley played 13 times.

Wells is our main striker this year ! We are only playing with one !

[exAtyeoMax]

 

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

I'd have put Cornick on last 20 v Burnley certainly given the type of game, given the conditions and perhaps Watford too.

Edited Thursday at 19:17 by Mr Popodopolous

[Ska Junkie]

On 27/11/2024 at 19:27, Aberdeen Pete's Dad said:

Wells is our main striker this year ! We are only playing with one !

That's pretty much all we have to be honest, nothing against Nahki.

[riddlesdown red]

18 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I'd have put Cornick on last 20 v Burnley certainly given the type of game, given the conditions and perhaps Watford too.

I wonder if cornick not moving on pissed management team off and as such they put him on the bench every week with no intention of playing him just make a point and ruin his weekend.

[sunningdalered]

On 27/11/2024 at 16:42, ExiledAjax said:

And I'll say that's a legitimate question, that I don't know the answer to.

But what I'd do, personally, and I say this fully knowing I am far from a football coach, is get him focusing on technique in the shot, explosive power in the gym, have him play centrally, and try to limit the time he has on the ball.

That last one means try and get him running onto the ball and taking first time shots rather than receiving, dribbling, and passing. He's weak in those areas, and I think we need to focus on playing to his strengths.

Seems sensible. Does anyone know who our specialist striker coach is, or if we even have one?

Whilst they're fixing all of that, perhaps they could point out to him that he might be more successful at winning headers from MO'L clearances if he actually faces the ball, rather than turning his back and, presumably, hoping that his marker will miss their header. For a guy of his size his win rate in the air is chronic. Unless that's another thing we shouldn't expect him to be able to do...?