Manning on officiating- Getting worse

[Mr Popodopolous]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/its-getting-worse-liam-manning-9747136

He's not wrong. He doesn't blame it for tonight but it feels like again we aren't getting a fair crack, that's my view anyway unsure what LM thinks.

 

Edited November 26 by Mr Popodopolous

[Cityboy1954]

So is our choice of managers or coaching staff

[Mr Popodopolous]

Harsh- thought Hogg and his stepping up we showed some good variety the! Better In-Game management too..We didn't do daft stuff like Earthy or Roberts at RWB for one!

Seriously though think Manning and his team are okay but Manning especially has certain blindspots yet we've been more hindered than helped by officiating tbis season.

[Superjack]

So now we are playing better, he has stopped throwing the players under the bus and has started blaming the officials. 

I quite like his 'blame culture' to be honest, because I see where it ends. 

When he is running out of anyone to blame but himself, he will start to direct the blame upwards. And I am all for that, because that is where it truly belongs.

[City oz]

On 27/11/2024 at 09:07, Mr Popodopolous said:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/its-getting-worse-liam-manning-9747136

He's not wrong. He doesn't blame it for tonight but it feels like again we aren't getting a fair crack, that's my view anyway unsure what LM thinks.

 

The ref officiating on the day of the game is the ref and no matter how a club manager or head coach complains is a waste of time. This has always been the case and will be the same going forward. 

The only excuse Liam has with the Watford game is that we were simply not good enough to score goals when it mattered.

[Sir Geoff]

If Armstrong scores the header v Burnley that was put on a plate for him, then there is no handball.

 

[mozo]

11 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

If Armstrong scores the header v Burnley that was put on a plate for him, then there is no handball.

 

You'll probably get a job at PGMOL with wacky logic like that! 

[lenred]

26 minutes ago, mozo said:

You'll probably get a job at PGMOL with wacky logic like that! 

You get the point though 

[Rob k]

7 hours ago, Superjack said:

So now we are playing better, he has stopped throwing the players under the bus and has started blaming the officials. 

I quite like his 'blame culture' to be honest, because I see where it ends. 

When he is running out of anyone to blame but himself, he will start to direct the blame upwards. And I am all for that, because that is where it truly belongs.

He’s not wrong though is he, blatant handball v Burnley and a blatant yellow card v Watford which would have seen them down to 10. Watford knew they had got away with one as the player was pulled off just after.

Edited Thursday at 09:14 by Rob k

[lenred]

‘I'm sure every manager and head coach across the whole of the season will be saying similar things to me and feel aggrieved at times.’

It’s really annoying but this is the key statement for me.  It averages out.  Everyone is affected by how shite the refs are, not just us.
We need to get stronger mentally, tougher on the pitch, and stand up for ourselves a bit more, both to refs and to players.   As I said before I thought this was changing but we’ve reverted to being soft as shit. It needs to change. 

[Super]

7 minutes ago, Rob k said:

He’s not wrong though is he, blatant handball v Burnley and a blatant yellow card v Watford which would have seen them down to 10. Watford knew they had got away with one as the player was pulled off just after.

Yes but there is also the blatant handball by Yu at Preston. We've had bad decisions for and against us.

[Rob k]

16 minutes ago, Super said:

Yes but there is also the blatant handball by Yu at Preston. We've had bad decisions for and against us.

He acknowledges that in the interview. He’s aware it’s not just us that’s on the receiving end of poor officials. 

[supercidered]

20 minutes ago, Super said:

Yes but there is also the blatant handball by Yu at Preston. We've had bad decisions for and against us.

Difference being that the officials didn't see it with the Yu handball. The difference with the Burnley handball it seems that the ref did see it but didn't feel it was handball i.e. not worthy of a penalty. The Lineo aslp seemed to have seen it but didn't flag as he looked straight at the Ref when it happened. That's as I saw it from the South Stand.

[W-S-M Seagull]

"I feel a little bit sorry because I genuinely don't know and I don't think the officials now know what handball is" - Yu handball goal for example? 

[Northern Red]

You'd think there'd be support for him on this, but evidently not.

Christ I hope we win on Saturday.

[Davefevs]

29 minutes ago, Rob k said:

He acknowledges that in the interview. He’s aware it’s not just us that’s on the receiving end of poor officials. 

In which case, just get on with it.  Or carry on, but expect the same.

24 minutes ago, supercidered said:

Difference being that the officials didn't see it with the Yu handball. The difference with the Burnley handball it seems that the ref did see it but didn't feel it was handball i.e. not worthy of a penalty. The Lineo aslp seemed to have seen it but didn't flag as he looked straight at the Ref when it happened. That's as I saw it from the South Stand.

And I can see why the ref thought that.  I’d rather he said that than hide behind “I didn’t see it”.  Because he has seen it, given his view why, then if it is wrong, his bosses can help him / coach him.  If he didn’t see it, there’s no learning opportunity.  He only gets one chance, real time.  My view from identical angle to Lino was “I’m not sure”.  I was sure (naked eye) that it hit JB’s hand (it did), but I also felt his arm was more by his side than out.  Watching replays his arm moves outward in the act of trying to move his hand away from a skidding ball.

It felt a bit like a batsman leaving a ball late, too late, and it hitting the underside of the face as he withdraws his bat too slowly.

Others will see it as definite handball-penalty.

[Rudolf Hucker]

1 hour ago, Rob k said:

He’s not wrong though is he, blatant handball v Burnley and a blatant yellow card v Watford which would have seen them down to 10. Watford knew they had got away with one as the player was pulled off just after.

I thought he was just subbed. 

[Rob k]

2 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

I thought he was just subbed. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, Super said:

Yes but there is also the blatant handball by Yu at Preston. We've had bad decisions for and against us.

 

48 minutes ago, Rob k said:

He acknowledges that in the interview. He’s aware it’s not just us that’s on the receiving end of poor officials. 

The evening out thing of course and likewise he did  say it wasn't the reason for our loss but to me while it is nothing like the string of ridiculous penalties and one sided clashes (Freeman v Sykes) we feel a bit in debit..

Howlers in our favour

Yu v Preston

Howlers Against

Tanner v Millwall

More contentious but possibly wrong in our Favour

There were questions about our Penallty v Oxford

More contentious but possibly wrong Against

*Was Williams fouled for Blackburn's 2nd? Thought it maybe crossed the line.

*Felt like O'Leary was impeded for the Swansea goal.

*Brownhill handball v Burnley.

*Sierralta got away with it once, if not twice before being subbed.

Possibly Preston could've had a red card vs us too?

[Mendip Broadwalk]

On 26/11/2024 at 23:37, Mr Popodopolous said:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/its-getting-worse-liam-manning-9747136

He's not wrong. He doesn't blame it for tonight but it feels like again we aren't getting a fair crack, that's my view anyway unsure what LM thinks.

 

In regards to handball at the weekend then the Southampton game Manning doesnt make sense. two incidents cannot be the same. 

 

 

[Markthehorn]

That Burnley one was definitely a handball which has been given before a few times .

Even seen some of their fans suggest it was fortunate .

Totally agree on Sierralta - lucky boy .

[Street red]

He can start blaming officials but it does even out over the season just look at the YU handball we got away with that. He needs to start getting the squad hardened up we just need to be more savvy and street wise.

[Mr Popodopolous]

18 minutes ago, Street red said:

He can start blaming officials but it does even out over the season just look at the YU handball we got away with that. He needs to start getting the squad hardened up we just need to be more savvy and street wise.

Agreed mostly although while the handball stuff maybe has evened our and he didn't blame it for our loss btw, some other bits ie Swansea Away O'Leary being impeded for their goal..otoh while e.g. Williams maybe was fouled at Blackburn we lost 3-0 anyway so I don't think it made a tangible difference.

[Superjack]

3 hours ago, Rob k said:

He’s not wrong though is he, blatant handball v Burnley and a blatant yellow card v Watford which would have seen them down to 10. Watford knew they had got away with one as the player was pulled off just after.

I haven't actually seen the Watford incidents yet, but by all accounts yes, he's perfectly correct. 

However, he has said himself that nothing will be done about it, so in that respect it's pointless bringing it up. 

Of course, most managers do (including our previous one), and correct or not it is usually in some part to absolve themselves from their share of responsibility for the result.

As I stated, I like that he is like this, because it shows that someday in the future he is likely to direct responsibility for the whole shooting match exactly where it deserves to go.

[redkev]

11 hours ago, City oz said:

The ref officiating on the day of the game is the ref and no matter how a club manager or head coach complains is a waste of time. This has always been the case and will be the same going forward. 

The only excuse Liam has with the Watford game is that we were simply not good enough to score goals when it mattered.

And keep the one goal out as per Burnley and Sheffield Utd , good teams if they don’t win they make sure they don’t lose , we didn’t deserve to lose any of those 3 games but weak mentality and poor finishing means we did - put 3 extra points on us we be in a nice little position , only 3 points I know but makes a big difference in this league

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 minutes ago, redkev said:

And keep the one goal out as per Burnley and Sheffield Utd , good teams if they don’t win they make sure they don’t lose , we didn’t deserve to lose any of those 3 games but weak mentality and poor finishing means we did - put 3 extra points on us we be in a nice little position , only 3 points I know but makes a big difference in this league

Thought Burnley Penalty notwithstanding had the better of us a bit over the 90 but agree overall.

[Ashtongreight]

3 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

"I feel a little bit sorry because I genuinely don't know and I don't think the officials now know what handball is" - Yu handball goal for example? 

The only reason that wasn’t given was because he didn’t see it. That’s different to seeing the incident but deciding it’s not a foul