Good or bad time to play Plymouth?

[W-S-M Seagull]

Following their 6-1 defeat last night? 

Fixtures like this always worry me. 

On the face of it you'd rub your hands with delight about playing a team that's just lost 6-1 but then there is also a possibility that there may be a reaction against us to that heavy defeat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgkxvx4z2go

[Mr Popodopolous]

Last season v Birmingham after some high scoring Goals Against Rooney played for a draw at all costs, by his own admission.

Plymouth seem weak as weak on the road though albeit they had two decent Games in defeat at Burnley and WBA..two draws but they concede a lot of chances as well as a lot of goals on the road.

[W-S-M Seagull]

2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Last season v Birmingham after some high scoring Goals Against Rooney played for a draw at all costs, by his own admission.

Plymouth seem weak as weak on the road though albeit they had two decent Games in defeat at Burnley and WBA..two draws but they concede a lot of chances as well as a lot of goals on the road.

Completely forgot about that game until you mentioned it. But yes indeed he did.

Our weakness is we struggle to break teams down that ait back against us so yep he may try that against against us. 

[Supersonic Robin]

If we're serious about being a top 6 (or even a top half) team, then there shouldn't really be such thing as a bad time to play at home against a bottom 6 team who finished 21st last season and were in League 1 the year before that.

Edited Wednesday at 17:58 by Supersonic Robin

[Silvio Dante]

1 minute ago, Supersonic Robin said:

If we're serious about being a top 6 (or even a top half) team, then there shouldn't really be such thing as a bad time to play at home against a bottom 6 team who were in League 1 last season.

That is correct. Except Plymouth weren’t in league one last season.

[TV Tom]

12 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Following their 6-1 defeat last night? 

Fixtures like this always worry me. 

On the face of it you'd rub your hands with delight about playing a team that's just lost 6-1 but then there is also a possibility that there may be a reaction against us to that heavy defeat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgkxvx4z2go

Definitely a good time to play them

[Super]

2 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

If we're serious about being a top 6 (or even a top half) team, then there shouldn't really be such thing as a bad time to play at home against a bottom 6 team who were in League 1 last season.

They weren't in league 1 last season

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Completely forgot about that game until you mentioned it. But yes indeed he did.

Our weakness is we struggle to break teams down that ait back against us so yep he may try that against against us. 

I suppose Birmingham Away on paper is trickier than Plymouth at Home.. it's unlike Rooney and it is unlike Plymouth on the road this year.

An early goal for us would work wonders..I do wonder tactically speaking how us scoring first vs Watford plays out. We surely don't lose for one and ability to coubtrt from a position of strength may mean Sierralta gets one rash tackle too many and off after all.

Burnley harder to say but they don't concede first often at all. Think their record when so doing is 1-1-2.

3 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

If we're serious about being a top 6 (or even a top half) team, then there shouldn't really be such thing as a bad time to play at home against a bottom 6 team who were in League 1 last season.

League One 2 years ago.

Edited Wednesday at 17:56 by Mr Popodopolous

[Jose]

1 minute ago, Supersonic Robin said:

If we're serious about being a top 6 (or even a top half) team, then there shouldn't really be such thing as a bad time to play at home against a bottom 6 team who were in League 1 last season.

Top 6 is an absolute pipe dream with our forward line. However we should be beating them and if we don’t I’m not sure AG will be the best place to be at 16:45.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, TV Tom said:

Definitely a good time to play them

If Rooney puts 11 behind the ball and resorts to gamesmanship possibly not.

[EX8 Red]

Doubt they will be that bad again. Think I heard that they have only taken 2 points on the road all season.

You can see where their first win and poor away run might end.

We were 2-0 up against them 8 minutes in last season before winning comfortably 4-1. The following week, they went away to Norwich and won 6-2 albeit with a stronger team.

Im hoping our goal shortage can stop and we have a big win.An early goal again would be helpful.

[W-S-M Seagull]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

If Rooney puts 11 behind the ball and resorts to gamesmanship possibly not.

My worry is that when a team losses so heavily then that causes a lot of embarrassment etc and you may see a strong reaction to that. 

[TV Tom]

2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

If Rooney puts 11 behind the ball and resorts to gamesmanship possibly not.

He probably will and look to nick it 1-0

[Supersonic Robin]

1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

That is correct. Except Plymouth weren’t in league one last season.

Just now, Super said:

They weren't in league 1 last season

My mistake, 2 seaons ago! Now corrected!

Nevetheless, the point still stands - it's a game we should win regardless of their most recent result.

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, TV Tom said:

He probably will and look to nick it 1-0

They haven't kept a clean sheet on the road all season, let alone win.. that would be real real shocker for us if we lost and to nil.

[TV Tom]

3 minutes ago, EX8 Red said:

Doubt they will be that bad again. Think I heard that they have only taken 2 points on the road all season.

You can see where their first win and poor away run might end.

We were 2-0 up against them 8 minutes in last season before winning comfortably 4-1. The following week, they went away to Norwich and won 6-2 albeit with a stronger team.

Im hoping our goal shortage can stop and we have a big win.An early goal again would be helpful.

Did they really win 6-2 at Norwich ? can't remember that, Schumaker definitely played a weaker team against us with Whitaker and a few others on the bench

[Jerseybean]

Rooney had this to say…..’I could probably put the under-18 team out there and they wouldn't concede six goals, so I'm very disappointed, angry, frustrated and the next 24-48 hours are not going to be very nice for the players, but we need to get to the bottom of why this is happening.’

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, TV Tom said:

Did they really win 6-2 at Norwich ? can't remember that, Schumaker definitely played a weaker team against us with Whitaker and a few others on the bench

Might have been at Home but I have a friend who supports Plymouth and they definitely beat them 6-2.

[TV Tom]

They are the worst team in the league and their only hope is that their home form will keep them up as it did last season

[TV Tom]

Just now, Mr Popodopolous said:

Might have been at Home but I have a friend who supports Plymouth and they definitely beat them 6-2.

It does ring a bell but i think they were home, their away form was dreadful last season

[Henry]

I think Plymouth will win on Saturday.

[eardun]

6 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

They are the worst team in the league and their only hope is that their home form will keep them up as it did last season

Are they the worst team in the division? QPR and Portsmouth must be running them close (and there are currently 4 teams below them). 

[spudski]

I'd be interested to know how Plymouth travel to away games.

They are bottom of the form league for away games...losing 5, drawing 1.

Yet they sit fourth in the home form table. Haven't lost in 6. Won 4, drawn 2. 

It's most odd.

[EX8 Red]

17 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

Did they really win 6-2 at Norwich ? can't remember that, Schumaker definitely played a weaker team against us with Whitaker and a few others on the bench

Correct myself,they did win 6-2 against Norwich,but it was at Home

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 minutes ago, Henry said:

I think Plymouth will win on Saturday.

Would that, could that spell the end for Manning but hopefully Tinnion.

In the wake of recent disappointing Attendances vs two Parachute sides and given the Plymouth record on the road, conceding for fun as they do and given 3 draws and 2 Goals at Home in 5 Home Games..

[Slacker]

Is it a good time for us to play anyone.We are so goal shy we will struggle to score against anyone at the moment. 

[Charlie BCFC]

Personally think it’s a bad time as they’ll shut up shop and try to get a 0-0 to forget that happened. Similarly this is a must win for us so we need to be up for it 

[Henry]

4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Would that, could that spell the end for Manning but hopefully Tinnion.

In the wake of recent disappointing Attendances vs two Parachute sides and given the Plymouth record on the road, conceding for fun as they do and given 3 draws and 2 Goals at Home in 5 Home Games..

No, no and no. Not even close.

[petehinton]

I’m sure he’ll appear on an upcoming episode of Stick To Football soon, 500 miles away from Plymouth, to tell everyone all about it. That’ll go down really well. 

[TV Tom]

17 minutes ago, eardun said:

Are they the worst team in the division? QPR and Portsmouth must be running them close (and there are currently 4 teams below them). 

In my opinion they are the worst team in the league and i think they'll finish bottom and well adrift, their goals conceded is -6 worse than anyone else, that in itself tells a story

[Mr Popodopolous]

24 minutes ago, Henry said:

No, no and no. Not even close.

That is a shame, especially in the case of Tinnion.

[sh1t_ref_again]

48 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

Rooney had this to say…..’I could probably put the under-18 team out there and they wouldn't concede six goals, so I'm very disappointed, angry, frustrated and the next 24-48 hours are not going to be very nice for the players, but we need to get to the bottom of why this is happening.’

That could ether galvanise them behind or against Rooney, let's hope he loses the dressing room 

[pongo88]

I hate these sort of matches where City play teams on a losing run or after they’ve had a big defeat. City just seem to go out of the way to make the opposition feel much better 

[Roadrunner]

BAD.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Also a big Away following.

[TV Tom]

The two bottom teams and Plymouth coming up in the next four games, what could possibly go wrong !!!!

[Mr Popodopolous]

QPR are better in some ways than their position suggests based on numbers, Plymouth and Portsmouth however...especially Plymouth on the road.

[W-S-M Seagull]

20 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

The two bottom teams and Plymouth coming up in the next four games, what could possibly go wrong !!!!

These games always concerns me cos for as long as I can remember we have always historically struggled in them. 

[Bazooka Joe]

Hopefully, our guile will get us the win we badly need.

But only if Plymouth continue to wane.

[BCFCGav]

Good time. We’re off the back of a very different kind of frustration of our own. We’re playing well and they’re not. Let’s bring them to the Gate and kill them. 
 

Start of a nice run of fixtures on Saturday. Need to start it right. And I think we will.

[sh1t_ref_again]

Important to have a fast start and not let them get any early encouragement 

[TV Tom]

40 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

These games always concerns me cos for as long as I can remember we have always historically struggled in them. 

I think we'll be fine in the away games at QPR & Pompey but might well struggle to break down any team who wants to park the bus at AG

[Mr Popodopolous]

Sides who come to Ashton Gate, haven't this season certainly been inherently defensive. Plymouth might he one given their horrible away Record but plenty of sides haven't been.

I see Celar got his first goal for QPR, just in time to get on a run before playing us.

Sunderland suspensions and injuries starting to clear up a bit, just in time to play us.

If Portsmouth game Postponed tonight and they had Saturday off, more recovery time in the run up to play us.

Etc.

[ExiledAjax]

Well my mate was in the home end at Carrow Road last night and said the home fans were quite literally laughing at how bad Plymouth were.

[Mr Popodopolous]

QPR aren't inherently defensive as a side either, neither are Portsmouth..could be good or bad.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

QPR are better in some ways than their position suggests based on numbers, Plymouth and Portsmouth however...especially Plymouth on the road.

Your man Celar is off the mark!

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, Davefevs said:

Your man Celar is off the mark!

Knowing our luck he'll get on a run of 3 or 4 Goals up to 10th December just in time for our Sky game in mid December.

[BanburyRed]

Plymouth GD-16 already. And half the team out injured. We need to batter them.

[Superjack]

I personally think that it's a bad time to play them if you are Liam Manning. 

3 defeats in the last 4. Plymouth and Portsmouth to face. 

Don't get me wrong, his job will not be under threat any time this season. Not even if we are threatened with relegation (in my opinion).

But we are are told that the 'board' (and I quote) "love him".

That might start to erode if we don't do well against these.

I think that if I was Liam Manning, I would rather carry on facing the Championship's big boys for now.

Edited Thursday at 02:44 by Superjack

[Oh Louie louie]

13 hours ago, TV Tom said:

They are the worst team in the league and their only hope is that their home form will keep them up as it did last season

Yes id say they were the worst getting a few lucky results here and there, I'm looking at the table they have conceded 34 goals, head and shoulders above everyone else

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

I just don't want to lose to a team managed by Mr potato head.

[ralphindevon]

I'm worried it might be like last season's Birmingham away game.

After a run of 1 win in 7 and a recent 1-3 defeat home to Stoke, Rooney admitted after the game he had set up not to concede, which they didn't in an uninspiring 0-0. He was gone soon after.

After Wednesday I'm sure they'll be spending a lot of time on defending and I expect we've spent a lot of time on attacking, let's see who's time on the training ground has worked best.

[Negan]

They will definitely come here to not be beaten so can see it being really ugly and boring if we can’t get an early lead. That first goal is going to be crucial, the longer they keep it 0-0 the more they’ll fight for it and counter. If they score first they’ll sit it for the rest of the game. If we can get an early lead then they’ll have to open up a bit and be more vulnerable, which despite us not having great forwards would be great for the players we have, we’re a lot better when the pressure is off. Seems whenever we’re behind or a team sits in we struggle getting to break them down as there’s nobody clinical to take the few opportunities we get. It SHOULD be a nice 2-0 home win. Most likely get a 0-0 or 1-1 

[temp]

This will be no walk in the park, we had better be ready to battle or we will get nothing.

[Slack Bladder]

It's a good time if we can actually  muster up a goal at home and a bad time if we can't 

[Lanterne Rouge]

Morgan Whitaker hasn`t really got going this season. He`s been poor by his high standards.

I wonder who will be on the receiving end when he gets his mojo back and it all clicks again...............................

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, Slack Bladder said:

It's a good time if we can actually  muster up a goal at home and a bad time if we can't 

An early goal could work wonders for us Saturday looking at Plymouth on the road- provided it is us who get it!

[redsquirrel]

its a game we should really be winning so typical city wont turn up and lose 0-1

[nickolas]

I’d say bad when you mix probably a defensive performance from them with our inability to score when we should. 
However, should we manage a goal within the opening 10 minutes then their frailties of the other night should haunt them. 
Would like to say we’ll knock 2 or 3 past them but you can gaurantee 0-0 at H/T and a struggle to breakdown 2nd half so lets hope we can score from a set piece to break the mould. 

Edited Thursday at 20:22 by nickolas

[22A]

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Their fans are as negative as some posters  on here, even going for a 3-1 City win.

 

[Redrascal2]

Good time for Plymouth to play us. Nothing expected of them, humiliated in their last game against a team that struggle to score goals and have an abysmal home record. I have a deep fear that Plymouth might do the unthinkable and beat us.

[supercidered]

On 27/11/2024 at 18:14, Henry said:

I think Plymouth will win on Saturday.

Unfortunately, so do I. 

Plymuff not won away all season and it would be so City to be the ones to give them their first away win. As I live in Devon and know loads of Plymuff fans my Saturday evening will be misery in my local if it happens.

Plymuff are 6/1 to win on Saturday (Paddy Power at time of typing this) which seems ridiculously good value IMO.

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 minutes ago, supercidered said:

Unfortunately, so do I. 

Plymuff not won away all season and it would be so City to be the ones to give them their first away win. As I live in Devon and know loads of Plymuff fans my Saturday evening will be misery in my local if it happens.

Plymuff are 6/1 to win on Saturday (Paddy Power at time of typing this) which seems ridiculously good value IMO.

Haven't kept a clean sheet on the road either.

Would be quite the double whammy if they do.

[OJ009]

If Rooney's done his job right they should be right up for it to right the wrongs of the last match.

That means we have to go for it from the start. It will give them PTSD.

If we're slow in building the tempo it will lessen their nerves.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Something like last season would be good, we were 2 up in 15 minutes or 20 or something. It was a fast start under the lights though.

[Son of Fred]

29 minutes ago, OJ009 said:

If Rooney's done his job right they should be right up for it to right the wrongs of the last match.

That means we have to go for it from the start. It will give them PTSD.

If we're slow in building the tempo it will lessen their nerves.

Go to work with the press as we did at Norwich - shut them down,,no time to dwell on the ball.

[TV Tom]

20 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Morgan Whitaker hasn`t really got going this season. He`s been poor by his high standards.

I wonder who will be on the receiving end when he gets his mojo back and it all clicks again...............................

I think he's injured

[Lanterne Rouge]

9 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

I think he's injured

He could well be carrying something. He`s certainly looked majorly under par when I`ve seen him play recently.

[TV Tom]

5 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

He could well be carrying something. He`s certainly looked majorly under par when I`ve seen him play recently.

Wasn't even on the bench Tuesday night, came off last Saturday against Watford

[cidered abroad]

On 27/11/2024 at 17:46, Mr Popodopolous said:

Last season v Birmingham after some high scoring Goals Against Rooney played for a draw at all costs, by his own admission.

Plymouth seem weak as weak on the road though albeit they had two decent Games in defeat at Burnley and WBA..two draws but they concede a lot of chances as well as a lot of goals on the road.

That may be so but City would have great difficulty in scoring in Downs League Division 4!