Lampard appointed at Coventry

[Jerseybean]

As per the title, https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c0en2890039o

 

[Markthehorn]

Feel he has a reputation to re build as clearly seen as a bit of a laughing stock right now.

[Bas's perfect hattrick]

Very much unproven as a manager and that's being kind. He's got a decent chance of taking them down 

[Corsham Ed]

Bonus, one relegation spot sorted

[The Gasbuster]

“Frank Lampard’s Coventry City” v “Wayne Rooney’s Plymouth Argyle”

[RUSSEL85]

Not sure Coventry fans will see this as an upgrade to MR but he got Derby to play off final and Chelsea top 4 with a embargo. He isn’t great,  but don’t think he is as bad as some people suggest.

[Mr Popodopolous]

He took a Chelsea side from 3rd to 4th albeit Embargo yes and Derby although over his head wirh the financial shenanigans, he had Loanees of Tomori, Mount and Wilson to go from 6th to 6th.

Sold Weimann and Vydra of course too, the latter the divisional top scorer.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Otoh he did maintain the Chelsea finishing position despite Hazard being sold and gave Youth a chance in both cases.

[Henry]

I like him and think he’s been a bit unlucky. I wouldn’t have minded him here when we appointed Manning.

It will be an interesting watch, probably he’s last chance at a decent level.

[Malago]

A vanity appointment.

[DaveInSA]

Excellent news. As other posters have said, he will fail there. And hopefully it will be one relegation place sorted.

I never wanted him here, it would have been an absolute disaster.

[Eddie Hitler]

11 minutes ago, Malago said:

A vanity appointment.

 

Yes.

I have nothing against him but highly successful players rarely make for successful managers, most have a couple of failed tries and turn give up.

My theory is that because they were so naturally gifted that they can't properly appreciate how to train, coach and instill tactics into players because they never much needed that.

 

As a parallel I was naturally good at maths, usually understanding concepts and techniques instantly, which actually meant that I was terrible at helping others with it because the process they found so difficult - understanding the concept - I hadn't actually gone through so didn't know how to take someone else through it.

 

Sol Campbell, Roy Keane and now Wayne Rooney are good examples of this.

Rooney doesn't know how to get his teams fired up for away games because he himself never needed to be fired up, he just was.

Just hoping he doesn't suddenly learn how to do that this week....

 

[Silvio Dante]

1 minute ago, Eddie Hitler said:

 

Yes.

I have nothing against him but highly successful players rarely make for successful managers, most have a couple of failed tries and turn give up.

My theory is that because they were so naturally gifted that they can't properly appreciate how to train, coach and instill tactics into players because they never much needed that.

 

As a parallel I was naturally good at maths, usually understanding concepts and techniques instantly, which actually meant that I was terrible at helping others with it because the process they found so difficult - understanding the concept - I hadn't actually gone through so didn't know how to take someone else through it.

 

Sol Campbell, Roy Keane and now Wayne Rooney are good examples of this.

Rooney doesn't know how to get his teams fired up for away games because he himself never needed to be fired up, he just was.

Just hoping he doesn't suddenly learn how to do that this week....

 

I believe you’re on about this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_stages_of_competence
 

Glenn Hoddle (although successful at Swindon) is often held up as an example of this. Even when retired he was still better on the ball than the players he coached and was said to not be able to work out why they couldn’t do things, having not gone through the journey himself. For City, Brian is still in the purple sector. Must be a hangover from Liverpool…

[Southport Red]

This feels like Rooney to Birmingham all over again to me. Hopefully with the same outcome

[Roe]

2 hours ago, Bas's perfect hattrick said:

Very much unproven as a manager and that's being kind. He's got a decent chance of taking them down 

What's kind about that?

And what is unproven about him compared to most other managers in this league at the moment?

I can't think many will have managed over 100 games in the Premier league as well as taken a team to the play off final, but happy to be corrected on this..

Edited Thursday at 14:12 by Roe

[Mr Popodopolous]

Suggested that if Coventry don't go up this season, they may have to sell several key players..no pressure then? Also suggested that his appointment will put them in a strong position for PL Loanees from e.g. Chelsea and Man City.

[ExiledAjax]

His career average PPG (which obviously covers his time with a decent Derby team at this level, to a shite Everton in the PL) as a manager (196 games) is 1.46. if he achieved that for their remaining 29 games, then they'll finish on 59 points.

Which might see them nip into the top half, but would represent a substantial improvement on the 1ppg they've got right now.

Broadly, I think he's a pretty standard manager. Not notably good, and not utterly dreadful either. He'll have to do something pretty special to get Coventry anything notable this season though.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

Lampard is an interesting appointment. He must be costing them a pretty penny but whether that's balanced out by the sponsorship a name like his attracts remains to be seen. His record as a manager so far may not be glittering but it's better than many. The names mentioned in the argument that natural stars don't make good managers is valid, and you could add Bobby Charlton to that list, but the counter argument is that some do and Pep Guardiola, Johan Cruyff, Fabio Coppello and Diego Simeone, amongst others, are examples. He's a likeable bloke and while not wishing him success at our expense then keeping Coventry safely in the Championship is fine by me. 

[ExiledAjax]

Bar the Millwall and WBA games his first six games are all against teams currently below them - which isn't easy to find when you're sat in 17th!

Big games against Cardiff, Hull, Pompey and Plymouth that will either see them pull clear of trouble or get sucked right into the thick of it.

[frenchred]

I'd have taken him here

[BeggyBlaggers]

I bet he strings 3 wins in a row together with coventry before bristol city do this season

[Severn Beach Pigeon]

13 hours ago, RUSSEL85 said:

Not sure Coventry fans will see this as an upgrade to MR but he got Derby to play off final and Chelsea top 4 with a embargo. He isn’t great,  but don’t think he is as bad as some people suggest.

He got Derby to a playoff final with a free reign on Chelsea, loanees. It was about as challenging as unscrewing a bottle of Pepsi 

[Red Cyril 2]

Will he have much of a transfer budget for Jan. ?

If any one would now ?

[Mr Popodopolous]

Coventry have been quite big spenders in the last 18 months.

Would be surprised but there was one article that suggested they would have sell to or would be selling some key players if not promoted. That would make sense with the Future Looking elements of the Rules IMO.

[Davefevs]

12 hours ago, Red Cyril 2 said:

Will he have much of a transfer budget for Jan. ?

If any one would now ?

Tinnion suggested last week that January would be more about trying to move a couple on.

But we’ll see.

[Red Cyril 2]

30 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Tinnion suggested last week that January would be more about trying to move a couple on.

But we’ll see.

So do they still believe they can get goals out of the squad this season ?

[Davefevs]

10 minutes ago, Red Cyril 2 said:

So do they still believe they can get goals out of the squad this season ?

Isn’t Liam “not concerned, but frustrated”?

We are currently joint 10th most scored and joint 11th least conceded.

I think we are playing a bit better than earlier this season.  How much better, and to what ceiling, I dunno.  We will know more by the end of the year.

For me, play well today and we win.  Play par or below par, and we open it up to give Plymouth an opportunity to take some points off of us.  I know that’s stating the obvious, but I think for many this is an easy 3 points.  We have to earn it.  We’ve won just 5 games out of 17 league games (18 in all comps), that shows how hard getting 3 points is for us.

I’d like a 90 minute performance, like Norwich.  A nice little 1-0 win for each half, 2-0 in total, would send me home happy.

[exAtyeoMax]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Tinnion suggested last week that January would be more about trying to move a couple on.

But we’ll see.

Are you talking about Lampard? Isn’t that who the post is referring to? 

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Are you talking about Lampard? Isn’t that who the post is referring to? 

Ah, read it as “we” not “he”…ta

[Red Cyril 2]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Isn’t Liam “not concerned, but frustrated”?

We are currently joint 10th most scored and joint 11th least conceded.

I think we are playing a bit better than earlier this season.  How much better, and to what ceiling, I dunno.  We will know more by the end of the year.

For me, play well today and we win.  Play par or below par, and we open it up to give Plymouth an opportunity to take some points off of us.  I know that’s stating the obvious, but I think for many this is an easy 3 points.  We have to earn it.  We’ve won just 5 games out of 17 league games (18 in all comps), that shows how hard getting 3 points is for us.

I’d like a 90 minute performance, like Norwich.  A nice little 1-0 win for each half, 2-0 in total, would send me home happy.

Wise words as always Dave.

It is an interesting word use by Liam in 'frustrated' rather than 'not concerned'

[BeggyBlaggers]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Isn’t Liam “not concerned, but frustrated”?

We are currently joint 10th most scored and joint 11th least conceded.

I think we are playing a bit better than earlier this season.  How much better, and to what ceiling, I dunno.  We will know more by the end of the year.

For me, play well today and we win.  Play par or below par, and we open it up to give Plymouth an opportunity to take some points off of us.  I know that’s stating the obvious, but I think for many this is an easy 3 points.  We have to earn it.  We’ve won just 5 games out of 17 league games (18 in all comps), that shows how hard getting 3 points is for us.

I’d like a 90 minute performance, like Norwich.  A nice little 1-0 win for each half, 2-0 in total, would send me home happy.

Our results arent great lately but when you consider sunderland havent won in 6 and west brom have won 2 in 12, we arent too bad really