Time for Manning to go

[Major Isewater]

11 minutes ago, marmite said:

But knowing us, we will sack Manning just after Robbins gets another club and then say our preferred choice is Chris Hogg . 

 

[redsquirrel]

30 minutes ago, MythikRobins said:

I’d be very surprised if we gave Manning or any manager total control over hiring/fire scouts and our head of recruitment. That’s the technical directors job!

the only way we can hope to see any improvements anywhere in any dept would be if Steve decided to take control again. his ******** son and turd brain td havent got a clue what they are doing

[Capman]

If my maths serves me right 2 points a game from here on would take us to 75 points. So that’s the type of form needed over the second half of the season to get into the playoffs. The only teams to achieve that in the first half of the season are the top three. 
Given the commitments of the owners and the money spent the outcome is simply unacceptable. We have just not been good enough. 

[WessexPest]

1 hour ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Sack them all. No faith in these people running our club, JL is not a chairman, Tinnion is not a Tech Director and Manning is certainly not a championship level Head Coach, if I was SL I would be fuming after backing them in the summer. What a load of dross!  

SL is the most culpable of the lot - buck stops with Noseybonk ultimately.

[marmite]

Anyone on here work under Uncle Steve at HL?. Was it a job for life and bring a friend set up? Or did you actually have to know what you were doing?  Unlike at BCFC.

[Superjack]

1 hour ago, WessexPest said:

Canning Manning won’t make a blind bit of difference - so long as the cretinous Lansdowns are calling the shots this club will continue to be mediocre at best.

I for one do not want to see that chromium-plated Fanny Junior allowed to make another terrible managerial appointment - he’s had countless chances and he’s blown it every single time. 
 

I can juat see it now; his annoying face as he conducts another interview saying “all the elements are in place” and “we need to identify the man to take us forward”, while completely absolving himself or his old man of any of the blame as to why we are in the rut we are in.

Manning and even “Tins” are merely symptoms of the creeping malaise at BCFC. We need to pluck up the problem by the roots, which means ousting the owners.

Cue a load of apologists coming back with “who’s going to pump in the investment?”

Simply this.

[Superjack]

1 hour ago, Dolman1973 said:

That was rubbish!  What a contrast to the Bears yesterday  best team  in the country- top entertainment with a brilliant coach.

Steve must have watched both games - come on don’t let us footie fans suffer any more!  

 

 

He won't have watched today. 

He's washed his hands of it.

[Superjack]

27 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

the only way we can hope to see any improvements anywhere in any dept would be if Steve decided to take control again. his ******** son and turd brain td havent got a clue what they are doing

The bloke that gave four years to Lee ****ing Johnson?

No thanks.

He needs to **** off and take the gruesome two with him.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Superjack

[EstoniaTallinnRed]

2 hours ago, temp said:

They will have to act if they want to sell ST`s

Perhaps get rid and appoint Hogg, he seemed to do well when LM was on compassionate leave. Couldn't do worse.

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, Superjack said:

The bloke that gave four years to Lee ****ing Johnson?

No thanks.

He needs to **** off and take the gruesome two with him.

There is a short term goal and a long term one at play IMO.

Short term? Sack or demote Tinnion and Jon Lansdown, hire a competent CEO, reach out to Newman, move Marshall back to his Group CEO Role and put Manning on notice.

Long term yes new input is needed, new ownership but he can do some good in the short term.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Mr Popodopolous

[GrahamC]

Just now, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

Perhaps get rid and appoint Hogg, he seemed to do well when LM was on compassionate leave. Couldn't do worse.

Worked brilliantly well with Holden when we did that, didn’t it?

[Superjack]

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

There is a short term goal and a long term one at play IMO.

Short term? Sack or demote Tinnion and Jon Lansdown, hire a competent CEO, reach out to Newman, move Marshall back to his Group CEO Role and put Manning on notice.

Long term yes new input is needed, new ownership but he can do some good in the short term.

He won't though, will he?

[MATT BCFC]

Do we really think we would appoint anyone much better? 

Past history under SL suggests likely not!

[EstoniaTallinnRed]

1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

Worked brilliantly well with Holden when we did that, didn’t it?

Yes I agree, but Hogg seemed to fire the boys up during that period. If the boys were doing it just for LM and his loss, then why aren't they doing it now?

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, Superjack said:

He won't though, will he?

He kind of did when Pearson came in, and we 'lost' Ashton.. or did be just stumble across it? The Gould and Pearson worked very well IMO.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Mr Popodopolous

[EstoniaTallinnRed]

1 minute ago, Superjack said:

He won't though, will he?

No, according to RB, Newman offered to help, but was refused.

[GrahamC]

3 minutes ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

Yes I agree, but Hogg seemed to fire the boys up during that period. If the boys were doing it just for LM and his loss, then why aren't they doing it now?

I think it was a pretty strange time & the horrendous events off the pitch galvanised the players for a short spell.

We have tried the previous bloke’s assistant route loads of times before (Lumsden, Osman, Millen, Holden).

It never works.

Edited December 22, 2024 by GrahamC

[KegCity]

2 minutes ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

No, according to RB, Newman offered to help, but was refused.

What was said on radio bristol?

[EstoniaTallinnRed]

Just now, GrahamC said:

I think it was a pretty strange time & the horrendous events off the pitch galvanised the players for a short spell.

We have tried the previous bloke’s assistant route loads of times before (Lumsden, Millen, Holden).

It never works.

So who's to say Robins will work, he's an experienced coach, but probably not a yes man and that what SL, JL, and BT want.

[Superjack]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

He kind of did when Pearson came in, and we 'lost' Ashton.. or did be just stumble across it? The Gould and Pearson worked very well IMO.

Pearson applied for the job.

Do you honestly think he didn't have anything to do with the way Pearson was treated?

If he didn't, he should have sacked his crotchgoblin and the Geordie orc as soon as it happened. 

He doesn't give a ****.

It's 'his' club. 

That he isn't interested in any more.

He is not any sort of solution. He's the problem. 

He always has been.

[GrahamC]

Just now, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

So who's to say Robins will work, he's an experienced coach, but probably not a yes man and that what SL, JL, and BT want.

What are you suggesting then?

[EstoniaTallinnRed]

1 minute ago, KegCity said:

What was said on radio bristol?

Just that Newman had offered to help Manning, but was told NO,  in no uncertain terms.

[KegCity]

Just now, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

Just that Newman had offered to help Manning, but was told NO,  in no uncertain terms.

Don’t think it was to help manning, rather work within the recruitment team.

Tinnion and Lansdown turning this down says everything about their own egos and where their priorities lie in terms of helping the club and helping themselves. 

[EstoniaTallinnRed]

2 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

What are you suggesting then?

I'm suggesting that while the present requime is there nothing will change, we will always be trying cheap unproven coaches, because that's their way.

[spudski]

1 minute ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

I'm suggesting that while the present requime is there nothing will change, we will always be trying cheap unproven coaches, because that's their way.

They won't want anyone who will undermine them. 

 

[EstoniaTallinnRed]

2 minutes ago, KegCity said:

Don’t think it was to help manning, rather work within the recruitment team.

Tinnion and Lansdown turning this down says everything about their own egos and where their priorities lie in terms of helping the club and helping themselves. 

That's right, but that will help Manning, won't it, but as you say, their egos won't allow it. It doesn't matter about the club or the supporters. It's all about them.

1 minute ago, spudski said:

They won't want anyone who will undermine them. 

 

Exactly!

[Tecknical Director]

Blokes buried his son a few weeks ago, and we are talking about sacking him at Christmas. 

Never have I questioned supporting this football club until today. Actually speechless.

Its ******* football 
 

[Jacki]

2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I was rather under the impression that selling Semenyo was important to FFP but he is a moron and if he was celebrating his departure wow...

I reluctantly accepted it as a) 18 months left on deal and b) The financial mess but Tinnion is a moron and then some.

We did have to sell him for all the reasons you say but I guess Tinnion’s outburst was his way of trying to demonstrate what a great job we did of negotiating the deal. Putting a brave face on it.

The irony of it is that all we seem to be doing since selling Semenyo is trying to find the next…. Semenyo. Armstrong is supposed to be one, the academy is full of them, and none of them will ever get within a million miles of where Antoine is now. 

[Superjack]

Just now, Tecknical Director said:

Blokes buried his son a few weeks ago, and we are talking about sacking him at Christmas. 

Never have I questioned supporting this football club until today. Actually speechless.

Its ******* football 
 

It's terrible, but it is not relevant.

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 minutes ago, Jacki said:

We did have to sell him for all the reasons you say but I guess Tinnion’s outburst was his way of trying to demonstrate what a great job we did of negotiating the deal. Putting a brave face on it.

The irony of it is that all we seem to be doing since selling Semenyo is trying to find the next…. Semenyo. Armstrong is supposed to be one, the academy is full of them, and none of them will ever get within a million miles of where Antoine is now. 

Thanks yeah, that was my thinking.

Justifying his position, he's just a massive..

Armstrong as Semenyo was sold, Mayulu another saleable asset or do they thought- it is painful atm.

[MythikRobins]

21 minutes ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

I'm suggesting that while the present requime is there nothing will change, we will always be trying cheap unproven coaches, because that's their way.

I do wish we’d go for some unproven head-coaches at some point. We’d maybe stumble into a top level head-coach. Instead we go for ones who’ve slightly proven themselves at a level below ours such as LJ and Manning.

Maybe if we’d go for someone who is totally unproven as a head-coach we’d stumble into a Rohl, McKenna, Carrick, Cleverly, Mousinho, Maresca etc etc. It’s a big risk of course, but we are mid-table might aswell take one sometime this decade. Alas, I’ll go early by a year or two, welcome to Bristol City Ryan Lowe! 

Edited December 22, 2024 by MythikRobins

[Shuffle]

I have like many tried to be patient but football is a results business and 1 win in 7 is unacceptable. Manning is a likeable chap and was desperate for him to succeed but with money spent and gutless performances that I’ve witnessed at Pompey, Derby and today then my tipping point has come.  No goal threat, playing Twine on the left and making like for like substitutes is unacceptable plus have we solved our creative issues as we look toothless.  This is not a knee jerk as thought we weren’t a million miles away & to see his comment post game that we are moving in the right direction is frankly an insult to all of us.

[Tecknical Director]

3 minutes ago, Superjack said:

It's terrible, but it is not relevant.

God forbid, you wake up tomorrow morning to the death of your child.  Beginning of January you go back to work, you’re still grieving. Your work sack you, because, rightly so you might not be 100%. Your boss says “sorry you lost, your job, but your work hasn’t been 100% and the loss of your child is irrelevant”. 

Really? You’d be fine with that? Really think about it for a second. 

Irrespective of whether he should or shouldn’t be back in work, Liam has made that choice for whatever reason. But to say it’s irrelevant is wild. 
 

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, MythikRobins said:

I do wish we’d go for some unproven head-coaches at some point. We’d maybe stumble into a top level head-coach. Instead we go for ones who’ve slightly proven themselves at a level below ours such as LJ and Manning.

Maybe if we’d go for someone who is totally unproven as a head-coach we’d stumble into a Rohl, McKenna, Carrick, Cleverly, Mousinho, Maresca etc etc. It’s a big risk of course, but we are mid-table might aswell take one sometime this decade. Alas, I’ll go early by a year or two, welcome to Bristol City Ryan Lowe! 

Maresca, Cleverly, Carrick to an extent are not the fairest comparisons.

Rohl and McKenna especially yes, Mousinho jury out?

[Bas's perfect hattrick]

1 hour ago, CityGill said:

I’ve always been in the “be careful what you wish for camp” and I am still happy to support a stable club. But if the lansdowns what to progress, they need to learn lessons, which they don’t. You can’t keep hiring people you like or who have a similar personality to you. 

I've also been in that camp. Tbh, still am - despite the absolute rubbish that we are seeing at the moment. You only have to look at the gas to see how destructive a bad owner can be. That said, if the right buyer came along (no oil barons, hollywood actors looking for a new hobby), then I would be happy with the change. 

[Dastardly and Muttley]

13 minutes ago, Tecknical Director said:

Blokes buried his son a few weeks ago, and we are talking about sacking him at Christmas. 

Never have I questioned supporting this football club until today. Actually speechless.

Its ******* football 
 

You really are Brian, aren’t you.

[spudski]

The Club have to at least approach Moyes imo.

Likelihood he'd turn us down, but if you don't ask...

He may end up at Southampton instead. 

Pipe dream probably. 

[mozo]

I'm not in favour of sacking Manning, but he should be under pressure right now, and I reckon he probably is.

We've got good fixtures coming up, and Manning, and City, need wins. 

We need 10 points from the next 4 games, and every setback is a major problem now.

[petehinton]

2 hours ago, CityGill said:

I’ve always been in the “be careful what you wish for camp” and I am still happy to support a stable club. 

Seeing as we are very much for sale, technically we aren’t really wishing for anything atm!

[Spike]

3 hours ago, fly in the air said:

As long as yes man Tinnion is there nothing will change.

 

2 hours ago, Jacki said:

You can sack as many managers as you like but while we have the Lansdowns and Tinnion in situ, any change in manager is absolutely pointless. We’re where we’ll always be under these idiots. 

 

2 hours ago, MythikRobins said:

Problem isn’t with him. We’ll continue to replace with managers whose ceiling is mid table championship and scream surprise when that’s what they achieve. I might’ve agreed if my envisioned replacement didn’t just sign for Saint Etienne  

We won’t sign proven managers, we do not have the pedigree, nor funds, and when we hire unproven managers we’ll hire ones that are barely a risk like Holden, LJ and Manning.

Speaks volumes when our CEO, who shalt not be named spent his time here scouting a top coach, we persisted with LJ then Holden. Then he who shalt not be named hired him and then achieved back to back promotions with a different team signing 20 odd players.

See I am mostly in agreement with these sentiments but there is a part of me that hopes that the board get desperate to keep fans attending and hires a name similar to Pearson who turns around and puts their foot down but does it at a time when they're doing so well that they can't be sacked. I feel like Pearson was being a little too honest about the people above him that made them so uncomfortable that they sacked a manager that most of the fans liked and were still excited to see what he could do. I honestly don't remember another manager being let go that genuinely surprised and angered me when I've been supporting this club and I'm no spring chicken.

At this point my best hope is that Manning is let go and the board feel that they need a man who can get the fans excited enough to keep going and get desperate and hire someone who then comes in and says "This club is a mess, this is what we need to fix" so early into their tenure that the board feel they have to make some changes or explain why they've had to sack someone before they even get started. I know this is a massive fingers-crossed hope but if we just keep hiring "up and coming" then they're never going to fix the issues as learning on the job at this level just doesn't get you a promotion.

Tinnion needs to go and if he doesn't then I hope the board hire someone who makes his life hell and tries to take control because Tinnion obviously has no direction at all. Manning has already said in an interview that he's done everything on the training ground and now it's down to the players, well, if that's the case and these are the performances then it's clear to see Manning by his own words cannot do any better and Tinnion is obviously not guiding him so they have both failed at their roles.

I keep hearing how we've improved under Manning but in terms of how the team play we offer so much less going forward as a threat and are defensively worse. 

Comparing our performance last season after 22 games and our performance this season after 22 games our goal difference has gone down by 1 and we had 2 more points in our prior season and yet in that prior season we'd had an injury crisis so bad that we struggled to field a team against Cardiff with over 11 injuries. So, our main improvement is slightly less injuries and when it comes to the league we've gone up 2 positions in spite of having less points. If anything looking at the table this time last season the teams on average were more competitive than they are this season meaning that you'd expect us to be higher as we appointed Manning to take a "play off capable team" and get the better results. Well, with results we'd won 8, drawn 5 and lost 9 and this season we've won 6, drawn 9 and lost 7 so all we have done is turn 3 wins and 2 losses nto draws.... doesn't seem very progressive to me at all.

If Pearson deserved to be sacked despite half of his squad being out injured and having had next to no investment then surely Manning has to go with less injuries and a whole load of investment into the squad, created largely by Pearsons working on a shoestring?

I feel like the board have put themselves in a right position. They have a man who is doing no better, has spent more money, has arguably made the squad weaker despite that spending and has less injuries to work with but has not improved the situation at all despite that being the core reasons for his employment according to our club. If Manning was truly brought in to turn us into a playoff team then he has clearly failed and should be terminated from his position immediately. The reason he won't be terminated now is how do you let a man go before/around Christmas after the loss of his child? You simply can't and the board know any future manager who they tried to appoint would take one look at the fact they sacked a man who lost his child at Christmas time and avoid us like the plague, so in my opinion we are stuck with Manning at least until the end of the season.

I feel bad talking Manning down so much because as a person I think he's a good man and I do think he can have success as a coach but I think his way of coaching is not suited to what we need at this club, we need a manager, not a coach, we need someone who can do all the aspects of football that a manager can as Tinnion couldn't direct traffic, let alone a football club.

[Mr Popodopolous]

9 minutes ago, spudski said:

The Club have to at least approach Moyes imo.

Likelihood he'd turn us down, but if you don't ask...

He may end up at Southampton instead. 

Pipe dream probably. 

Southampton appointed a new manager this week.

[spudski]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Southampton appointed a new manager this week.

DOH! Of course...

[citykelv]

Absolutely shocking today.  Manning under serious pressure now.  I’d go for Moyes . 

[MythikRobins]

4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Southampton appointed a new manager this week.

A very interesting appointment for them aswell. Hey has anyone mentioned how amazingly Martin would fit in here with the amount of love our fans have for him?

[MythikRobins]

18 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Maresca, Cleverly, Carrick to an extent are not the fairest comparisons.

Rohl and McKenna especially yes, Mousinho jury out?

Yeah, I was a tad unfair there.

Mousinho has one of the weakest squads in the division. Irrespective of how this season goes he’s a good coach. He was supposedly first on our list though so atleast they saw that.

[38MC]

I’ve been quite patient with manning through this poor run of form, but today the performance levels were inexcusable, and that is on him today and how he had set us up. 

If he’s still here for the Luton game I hope he has the balls to bench Twine. I remember when Lansdown told us not to fall in love with a player. He should have that chat with Manning. Well, he shouldn’t have sanctioned buying him frankly. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, MythikRobins said:

A very interesting appointment for them aswell. Hey has anyone mentioned how amazingly Martin would fit in here with the amount of love our fans have for him?

I've read that he has an aggressive and cohesive style of play Juric..have we ever had a Balkan manager in the PL. Not saying awful technically but probably very different to Martin.

Juric is perhaps their Pearson if Manning is our Martin?

Edited December 22, 2024 by Mr Popodopolous

[Spike]

A few people saying Moyes, I don't see why even as a past player he'd consider us, he gave West Ham their first major silverware in 43 years and is way beyond this club. I can't even imagine the wages he could demand from a club, I couldn't see us even being realistically close and that's before he meets Tinnion who he'd have to work under, he'd probably laugh all the way home at that thought. 

[Street red]

26 minutes ago, spudski said:

The Club have to at least approach Moyes imo.

Likelihood he'd turn us down, but if you don't ask...

He may end up at Southampton instead. 

Pipe dream probably. 

Moyes and Newman 

[Natchfever]

1 hour ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

Perhaps get rid and appoint Hogg, he seemed to do well when LM was on compassionate leave. Couldn't do worse.

Probably be like Holden mk2.

[steviestevieneville]

31 minutes ago, Tecknical Director said:

God forbid, you wake up tomorrow morning to the death of your child.  Beginning of January you go back to work, you’re still grieving. Your work sack you, because, rightly so you might not be 100%. Your boss says “sorry you lost, your job, but your work hasn’t been 100% and the loss of your child is irrelevant”. 

Really? You’d be fine with that? Really think about it for a second. 

Irrespective of whether he should or shouldn’t be back in work, Liam has made that choice for whatever reason. But to say it’s irrelevant is wild. 
 

 

Ah ok. Just leave it then , keep drifting , get relegated eventually . It’s only football . Can’t sack a man because he’s had a personal tragedy . Life doesn’t work like that I’m afraid . 

[spudski]

5 minutes ago, Street red said:

Moyes and Newman 

Well according to another thread, Newman's services have already been turned down. 

To much of a threat to BT imo. 

[KegCity]

7 minutes ago, Street red said:

Moyes and Newman 

Think that’s too unrealistic unfortunately.

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, spudski said:

Well according to another thread, Newman's services have already been turned down. 

To much of a threat to BT imo. 

He should've been given an ultimatum Tinnion.

Take your old job back or get out, Newman will be having your job.

SL is a self made billionaire, albeit jointly with Hargreaves..where is the drive and energy by him.

[Street red]

Just now, spudski said:

Well according to another thread, Newman's services have already been turned down. 

To much of a threat to BT imo. 

Shows there ambition doesn't it,West ham didn't do to bad out them and to turn  Newman away is ludicrous.

[Street red]

1 minute ago, KegCity said:

Think that’s too unrealistic unfortunately.

It is with this current lot I've shown more ambition just by typing it

[spudski]

1 minute ago, Street red said:

Shows there ambition doesn't it,West ham didn't do to bad out them and to turn  Newman away is ludicrous.

I think it boils down to two people, JL and BT, knowing anybody with any nouse and experience, would out them as ' frauds' in their respective roles. 

Job protection. 

[temp]

1 hour ago, Superjack said:

Pearson applied for the job.

Do you honestly think he didn't have anything to do with the way Pearson was treated?

If he didn't, he should have sacked his crotchgoblin and the Geordie orc as soon as it happened. 

He doesn't give a ****.

It's 'his' club. 

That he isn't interested in any more.

He is not any sort of solution. He's the problem. 

He always has been.

In one

[Gert Mare]

Challenging at the top end of the Championship.

Best set of players since JL has been here, otherwise why make a change?

Front foot football.

Don’t forget what you were told.

Accountabilty needs to happen. If not, then why make the change?

Edited December 22, 2024 by Gert Mare

[temp]

He should never have been brought here in the first place, clearly unqualified, a no doubt cheap option for SL and co and unproven at this level;

Manning has been through a lot recently which I wouldnt wish on my worst enemy BUT this is a football club we need exp strong leaders/players/managers to get anywhere; If by any chance Manning is sacked soon he will get a good pay out, to him and his family, those at the top wont want to do that though, not because of BCFC but because they would have to say oops another error and a costly one with added rubbish signings as well....jeez what a state...where are our leaders when you need them

Edited December 22, 2024 by temp

[RedRock]

We’re going to drift in the doldrums aren’t we?

Moyes/Newman would be great, but unrealistic. Robins more chance - although even he would have to be enticed with some funds to sort our attacking play out. 

But, as ever, nothing will happen until - in all probability - those options no longer are available. Little wonder we are so passive on the pitch, because we’re not brave or ruthless off it. Comfortable little Bristol City we will remain.

 

[RollsRoyce]

At what point does Steve L accept he has failed ? He has the money to keep playing with “ his club” . But what is he getting out of it ? He would love to get a crazy buyer to give him 100 m plus . But people know the score . Will he ever be able to accept he is holding to the club to ransom . Prices it too high yet uses it as a toy for his son to prove his son has zero ability to be anything in the real work without daddy paying the bills . Does he get embarrassed ? I don’t think so .

The club will remain as it is until he either runs out of money , someone offers a stupid number or he gets hounded out. 
 

If he thinks he is creating a legacy he is deluded . He has screwed up continually, everyone he gets a little success he fails to understand why it happened and goes off at a tangent as he thinks he knows better. 

Moan all you want about Manning and Tinnion but the issue is the owner and his terrible decisions . 
 

I still like Steve , I wish he could have got us to the Prem. But he has never understood why we are a failure and his major role in that failure . He just loves playing with the club . 
 

 

[temp]

1 minute ago, RollsRoyce said:

At what point does Steve L accept he has failed ? He has the money to keep playing with “ his club” . But what is he getting out of it ? He would love to get a crazy buyer to give him 100 m plus . But people know the score . Will he ever be able to accept he is holding to the club to ransom . Prices it too high yet uses it as a toy for his son to prove his son has zero ability to be anything in the real work without daddy paying the bills . Does he get embarrassed ? I don’t think so .

The club will remain as it is until he either runs out of money , someone offers a stupid number or he gets hounded out. 
 

If he thinks he is creating a legacy he is deluded . He has screwed up continually, everyone he gets a little success he fails to understand why it happened and goes off at a tangent as he thinks he knows better. 

Moan all you want about Manning and Tinnion but the issue is the owner and his terrible decisions . 
 

I still like Steve , I wish he could have got us to the Prem. But he has never understood why we are a failure and his major role in that failure . He just loves playing with the club . 
 

 

just taken over top post for the night

[One Team]

It’s so frustrating that there are better managers available right now and we are stuck with Manning. 

The vanilla ice cream/margherita pizza/Coors Light/chicken korma/still mineral water/beige chinos/ready salted crisps/mild cheddar manager. 

[Lack of Action Man]

8 minutes ago, One Team said:

It’s so frustrating that there are better managers available right now and we are stuck with Manning. 

The vanilla ice cream/margherita pizza/Coors Light/chicken korma/still mineral water/beige chinos/ready salted crisps/mild cheddar manager. 

Manning definitely orders Lemon & Herb at Nandos.

[One Team]

1 minute ago, Lack of Action Man said:

Manning definitely orders Lemon & Herb at Nandos.

For sure mate! With mash and sweetcorn, as plain and beige as possible. 

[38MC]

2 minutes ago, Lack of Action Man said:

Manning definitely orders Lemon & Herb at Nandos.

I bet he tells the family they’re having Nandos and then makes it at home. He’s more a fake-away manager. 

[TedsHeadIs Red]

I hope nobody remembers me saying I was impressed with the panel at the fans forum, especially LM.

Very embarrassing for me if they do.

Um… 

[temp]

2 minutes ago, TedsHeadIs Red said:

I hope nobody remembers me saying I was impressed with the panel at the fans forum, especially LM.

Very embarrassing for me if they do.

Um… 

dont worry about it, talk is cheap; there are only 2 things to do;

1. Nothing
2. Something; walk away, dont buy ST

I choose number 2, after 50yrs its hard but may get a response; bottom line do something or nothing

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, Tecknical Director said:

God forbid, you wake up tomorrow morning to the death of your child.  Beginning of January you go back to work, you’re still grieving. Your work sack you, because, rightly so you might not be 100%. Your boss says “sorry you lost, your job, but your work hasn’t been 100% and the loss of your child is irrelevant”. 

Really? You’d be fine with that? Really think about it for a second. 

Irrespective of whether he should or shouldn’t be back in work, Liam has made that choice for whatever reason. But to say it’s irrelevant is wild. 
 

 

To be fair, comparing the sacking of an employee in a normal job to a football manager is just not comparable, it’s chalk and cheese.

That really isn’t the point of the conversation, it’s just clouding it. The issue is the team’s performance under Liam.

If Liam is struggling, then I hope he speaks up, and I hope the club support him.  If he’s scared to speak up, then I would like to think Hoggy would do it for him.

So, now we are past that part of that issue, we are back to performance against the stated objectives he was given.  If the club think he’s not delivering (without any influence of his tragic situation) then they have a decision to make.  Back him and get behind him.  Or sack him.  Sacking will mean they will still have to meet his contract termination clauses (so very different to a normal job sacking).

If however they think his personal tragedy is having a negative influence, then support the bloke in whichever way everyone agrees is appropriate, e.g. Hogg takes over for a period, bring in an interim manager (Rowett for Mowbray at Brum), etc.