Forget Manning, Tinnion out.

[REDOXO]

10 minutes ago, KegCity said:

I hope you'll nice and vocal on boxing day to show them just how to create a proper atmosphere  

You create a proper atmosphere by having some relevant thought process as to where it emanates from and the symbiotic relationship between the supporters getting behind the team and the team giving them something to get behind. 
 

The amount of late soft goals we give away is not helped by a packed away end while “the singing section’ is rammed up in a corner the way we play right now is a major factor too !

 

Edited December 23, 2024 by REDOXO

[KegCity]

11 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

You create a proper atmosphere by having some relevant thought process as to where it emanates from and the symbiotic relationship between the supporters getting behind the team and the team giving them something to get behind. 
 

The amount of late soft goals we give away is not helped by a packed away end while “the singing section’ is rammed up in a corner the way we play right now is a major factor too !

 

Totally agree, got to be given something to cheer about/support. Just irks me when people moan about the atmosphere and then do nothing to add to it.

[REDOXO]

12 minutes ago, KegCity said:

Totally agree, got to be given something to cheer about/support. Just irks me when people moan about the atmosphere and then do nothing to add to it.

Yes I agree. Perhaps  Mr Manning can do something to help there too!

[Mr Popodopolous]

We had a 2nd little organic Safe(ish) Standing area crop up at HT v Swansea in the Cup about 2 years ago just under. Vs Birmingham that made a notable difference.

A problem was it was not done via official Channels and sort of faded away. It needed to be done officially but the intent to improve the atmosphere was good but yeah..a larger or 2nd Safe Standing area would really come in handy IMO.

[stokes7]

Tinnion blocked me on X guess he knew when I was saying the clowns need to get out of the club I was referring to him as one of them

[Tecknical Director]

3 minutes ago, stokes7 said:

Tinnion blocked me on X guess he knew when I was saying the clowns need to get out of the club I was referring to him as one of them

In my life experience, you lose all credibility when calling someone a clown when you struggle to construct a sentence. 

[KegCity]

18 minutes ago, Tecknical Director said:

In my life experience, you lose all credibility when calling someone a clown when you struggle to construct a sentence. 

Which is ironic as Brian often struggles with his spelling and grammar.

[temp]

20 minutes ago, Tecknical Director said:

In my life experience, you lose all credibility when calling someone a clown when you struggle to construct a sentence. 

Good morning BT, what is it like in SL`s pocket? great goal you scored at Anfield by the way, shame you didnt make it as a manager.

Any more info on any more interesting transfers or young guns coming up "the pathway".

[Portland Bill]

On 22/12/2024 at 17:11, bearded_red said:

I don’t disagree in the slightest, we all know Liam Manning isn’t the biggest issue stopping this club from progressing, or maybe, one day, as mental as this sounds, actually achieving something?!

But.. as someone who in the short term would just like to watch a team that occasionally does something exciting, occasionally does something entertaining.. I would like the manager to be removed. His joyless, passion killing football is torture. A team ends up the image of their manager, and Jesus Christ our team resembles that boring drone perfectly.

I quit going 5 years ago, all because of LJ.

Watching that game yesterday on tv, it’s almost as if absolutely nothing has changed. Dire, boring, negative football. 

Its  supposed to be enjoyable, 20k people pay good money to be entertained, and watch well payed footballers show off their skills and ability. 

But, it’s not, it’s another ‘modern coach’ telling players to play to a ‘system’, a system of negativity.

i wouldn’t go and watch that nowadays if I was paid too. 

 

[fly in the air]

it is boring under this manager. something needs to change asap. 21k yesterday not sure that was right so many empty seats. ok they won which is great but its so poor to watch. 

[Cityboy1954]

On 22/12/2024 at 17:01, Shauntaylor85 said:

How about both of them! Tinnion should NEVER have been brought back after the mess he left in 2005! No other club at this level would hire him! 

To top it all Tinnions wife and son are employed by the club

[Henry]

2 hours ago, Cityboy1954 said:

To top it all Tinnions wife and son are employed by the club

I thought his son just did a course there?

[AppyDAZE]

4 hours ago, Tecknical Director said:

In my life experience, you lose all credibility when calling someone a clown when you struggle to construct a sentence. 

But what if you’re having a conversation with a clown?

[Philly The Kid]

I don't know what Tinnion's contractual situation is, but I'm assuming giving him the flick would necessitate another expensive payoff.
Wondering (if it's not already done) that like managers and coaches, he should be on a 2 or three year contract meaning if he's deemed to not be performing they just don't renew his contract. It all seems too comfortable ATM..

Edited December 27, 2024 by Philly The Kid

[sticks 1969]

5 hours ago, Portland Bill said:

I quit going 5 years ago, all because of LJ.

Watching that game yesterday on tv, it’s almost as if absolutely nothing has changed. Dire, boring, negative football. 

Its  supposed to be enjoyable, 20k people pay good money to be entertained, and watch well payed footballers show off their skills and ability. 

But, it’s not, it’s another ‘modern coach’ telling players to play to a ‘system’, a system of negativity.

i wouldn’t go and watch that nowadays if I was paid too. 

 

Happy new year Bill hope all ok in town 

[sticks 1969]

4 hours ago, Cityboy1954 said:

To top it all Tinnions wife and son are employed by the club

I think that’s why he will throw anyone under the bus to protect himself 

if he goes surly the wife will follow 

Edited December 27, 2024 by sticks 1969
Spelling

[Portland Bill]

6 minutes ago, sticks 1969 said:

Happy new year Bill hope all ok in town 

And to you Stick

Nothing changes mate!!!

[Jose]

6 hours ago, KegCity said:

Which is ironic as Brian often struggles with his spelling and grammar.

What makes it even more ironic is the poster defending him you quoted is taking the mic out of him too with his/her user name. This club  

[Cityboy1954]

2 hours ago, Henry said:

I thought his son just did a course there?

Il pm you 

[Cityboy1954]

21 minutes ago, sticks 1969 said:

I think that’s why he will throw anyone under the bus to protect himself 

if he goes surly the wife will follow 

:laugh: next director of football.

[pongo88]

6 hours ago, Portland Bill said:

I quit going 5 years ago, all because of LJ.

Watching that game yesterday on tv, it’s almost as if absolutely nothing has changed. Dire, boring, negative football. 

Its  supposed to be enjoyable, 20k people pay good money to be entertained, and watch well payed footballers show off their skills and ability. 

But, it’s not, it’s another ‘modern coach’ telling players to play to a ‘system’, a system of negativity.

i wouldn’t go and watch that nowadays if I was paid too. 

 

On Boxing Day the actual attendance was a lot less than the announced attendance. As with a lot of matches this season quite a few season ticket holders didn’t attend. This is the first season of the new Sky contract which means you can watch 20 matches if you have Sky Sports+. You can probably watch every match, home and away, if you try a steam such as FawaNews. This is bound to affect season ticket and general sales in years to come. as people decide it’s better value. If you’re watching on TV and it a dire match you can just decide to watch something else. If you’re at the ground, and you’ve paid to attend, you’ve got to stick it out just in case 

[The Nest Egg]

On 23/12/2024 at 14:04, Mr Popodopolous said:

We had a 2nd little organic Safe(ish) Standing area crop up at HT v Swansea in the Cup about 2 years ago just under. Vs Birmingham that made a notable difference.

A problem was it was not done via official Channels and sort of faded away. It needed to be done officially but the intent to improve the atmosphere was good but yeah..a larger or 2nd Safe Standing area would really come in handy IMO.

Yep, Dolman Block A. Many people on here turned their nose up at it. A real shame as was an organic movement that had potential.

[Tecknical Director]

42 minutes ago, Jose said:

What makes it even more ironic is the poster defending him you quoted is taking the mic out of him too with his/her user name. This club  

I’m not defending anyone. Read again. This club

[Mr Popodopolous]

16 minutes ago, The Nest Egg said:

Yep, Dolman Block A. Many people on here turned their nose up at it. A real shame as was an organic movement that had potential.

It certainly had potential and I agree, it can get going a bit still depending on opposition, a lot of clubs don't really bring away fans with an edge and in good numbers so far..even the Cardiff game was flat.

Problem is doing it organically a) Causes issues for those already there and b) Could potentially cause/have caused the Club difficulties with the Safety Advisory Group and similar I would've thought.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Mr Popodopolous

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, Philly The Kid said:

I don't know what Tinnion's contractual situation is, but I'm assuming giving him the flick would necessitate another expensive payoff.
Wondering (if it's not already done) that like managers and coaches, he should be on a 2 or three year contract meaning if he's deemed to not be performing they just don't renew his contract. It all seems too comfortable ATM..

I would imagine he is on the books like a standard employee would be, ie not on a fixed end contract like a manager.  

[Chivs]

On 22/12/2024 at 17:00, GrahamC said:

Seeing as the Lansdowns won’t sack themselves, this is where we need to start.

Absolute bluffer who would never be employed by anyone else.

Get out.

I know we all want Tinnion out but could you explain why?

Perhaps all those people supporting you (but none giving a reason) could add their reasons also.

Thanks.

[Mr Popodopolous]

17 hours ago, Chivs said:

I know we all want Tinnion out but could you explain why?

Perhaps all those people supporting you (but none giving a reason) could add their reasons also.

Thanks.

Here are a few for one..

*Disclosing hitherto undisclosed fees on the Radio is a farce and IMO a sackable offence.

*His friendliness with Ian Gay, seems to be an unofficial conduit putting injury stuff out there in exchange for Ian going into bat by the looks.

*The importance of the Pathway to the Club yet has appointed a manager who so far seems reluctant to utilise it...

*...Talking of the Pathway, Tinnion has inferred that the next lot are the best yet. Well to claim is one thing but to deliver?

*Him and Jon Lansdown presumably came up with the grand plan of sacking a manager who was in fact utilising the Pathway..last season we saw glimpses of JKL, Yeboah, less so but once James.. among others.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

One thing that counts against Tinnion, Jon Lansdown and others Gavin Marshall for his interview but overall those 2, and Manning in some ways, is the social media and the Internet means we can fact check and scrutinise a lot more than the past.

Manning who I'm not especially against, claiming we had 15 shots or more most games is easy to disprove.

Whereas in the past bad interviews (Tinnion in March) or questionable claims (15 Shots) wouldn't really be documented for a long time..newspaper, radio..forgotten. Now we can fact check quite easily, track Progress or otherwise, we aren't alone in this as a forum or Fanbase but I reckon we are quite hot on it tbh.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Mr Popodopolous

[Davefevs]

18 hours ago, Chivs said:

I know we all want Tinnion out but could you explain why?

Perhaps all those people supporting you (but none giving a reason) could add their reasons also.

Thanks.

My general opinion on Tinnion is that the job of Technical Director in its current guise in the current set-up is too big a job for him and his skillset.  The job has changed from the initial role he was given within the new Gould-Pearson-Tinnion structure as both Gould left, then Alexander and Pearson sacked.

His original remit was Academy and Recruitment.

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/tinnion-appointed-technical-director/

and within that it at least focused on areas where you might think he can add value, but also where experienced operators around him can harness and protect.

He now has departments such as Medical reporting into him, Manning too. He is running the whole “football” side.  All of that within a year of his initial appointment in Nov 2022.  That’s some rise!

Sometimes you need to realise your own capabilities.  Sometimes others need to realise the limit of your capabilities too.  For me, both sides have failed in that respect.

I couldn’t care less about his time as manager, it’s largely irrelevant.  In the sane way, his goal against Liverpool.  He has experience in the pro game, but that is a very different skillset requirement to the role he is now performing.

So that’s it from me.

What do you think, and why?

 

[spudski]

23 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

My general opinion on Tinnion is that the job of Technical Director in its current guise in the current set-up is too big a job for him and his skillset.  The job has changed from the initial role he was given within the new Gould-Pearson-Tinnion structure as both Gould left, then Alexander and Pearson sacked.

His original remit was Academy and Recruitment.

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/tinnion-appointed-technical-director/

and within that it at least focused on areas where you might think he can add value, but also where experienced operators around him can harness and protect.

He now has departments such as Medical reporting into him, Manning too. He is running the whole “football” side.  All of that within a year of his initial appointment in Nov 2022.  That’s some rise!

Sometimes you need to realise your own capabilities.  Sometimes others need to realise the limit of your capabilities too.  For me, both sides have failed in that respect.

I couldn’t care less about his time as manager, it’s largely irrelevant.  In the sane way, his goal against Liverpool.  He has experience in the pro game, but that is a very different skillset requirement to the role he is now performing.

So that’s it from me.

What do you think, and why?

 

Add to the fact, he said he deserved the job, 'because he'd been at the club a long time'...or words to that affect.

Actually makes me cringe the thought of him involved in talking with Agents and interviewing players. 

[redsquirrel]

i would add to that he and Jon both believed they could take us forward and learn on the job, so far i havent seen much in the way of moving forward.

between them they have wiped out the belief of many that we were progressing steadily and in safe hands while doing so.  i might be alone but i by no means feel we are in a safe position anymore. it could quite easily tip either way.

[stokes7]

On 27/12/2024 at 08:14, Tecknical Director said:

In my life experience, you lose all credibility when calling someone a clown when you struggle to construct a sentence. 

In my life experience people like you, are complete and utter cocks, who live at home in  mummy’s basement 

[Chivs]

5 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Here are a few for one..

*Disclosing hitherto undisclosed fees on the Radio is a farce and IMO a sackable offence.

*His friendliness with Ian Gay, seems to be an unofficial conduit putting injury stuff out there in exchange for Ian going into bat by the looks.

*The importance of the Pathway to the Club yet has appointed a manager who so far seems reluctant to utilise it...

*...Talking of the Pathway, Tinnion has inferred that the next lot are the best yet. Well to claim is one thing but to deliver?

*Him and Jon Lansdown presumably came up with the grand plan of sacking a manager who was in fact utilising the Pathway..last season we saw glimpses of JKL, Yeboah, less so but once James.. among others.

Disclosing "undisclosed" fees is unprofessional to say the least.  Do it once, it should be a clear warning; do it twice, is sackable, I agree. I think Tinnion may be on at least two disclosures so I'd agree with you.

However, the rest are subjective by you and hardly worthy of sacking Tinnion. 

• I'd be amazed if there is a club in the land who don't have a "friendly" for releasing information.
• The pathway is important but not at the risk of losing ground.  It's one of those amusing asides that people claim 'our Nige' was giving a pathway to youngsters whilst not minding that we were treading water at best...apparently, it's what many wanted... 
• Well, he's hardly going to say there're a bunch of duffers, is he?
• Sacking Pearson had nothing to do with pathways. Not sure why you are conflating that.

You tried hard to give reasoned arguments for sacking Tinnion but soon gave yourself away... 

[Chivs]

5 hours ago, Davefevs said:

My general opinion on Tinnion is that the job of Technical Director in its current guise in the current set-up is too big a job for him and his skillset.  The job has changed from the initial role he was given within the new Gould-Pearson-Tinnion structure as both Gould left, then Alexander and Pearson sacked.

His original remit was Academy and Recruitment.

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/tinnion-appointed-technical-director/

and within that it at least focused on areas where you might think he can add value, but also where experienced operators around him can harness and protect.

He now has departments such as Medical reporting into him, Manning too. He is running the whole “football” side.  All of that within a year of his initial appointment in Nov 2022.  That’s some rise!

Sometimes you need to realise your own capabilities.  Sometimes others need to realise the limit of your capabilities too.  For me, both sides have failed in that respect.

I couldn’t care less about his time as manager, it’s largely irrelevant.  In the sane way, his goal against Liverpool.  He has experience in the pro game, but that is a very different skillset requirement to the role he is now performing.

So that’s it from me.

What do you think, and why?

 

Thanks for the points above which have value in my opinion. However, I will say that it seems there is some incredible vitriol about Tinnion which I just can't understand*.

You are not in that camp here.

I agree with you. I'm not sure he has the right skillset.  Tinnion often looks like someone who is tired and emotional.  And under stress.  However, he needs support within the club rather than sacking. He might be struggling but the best way to learn is to get on and do the job. The alternative is to get in someone from Lg 1. That is, someone who will have to learn about our club and the Championship just as Tinnion is learning the new skillsets... (we aren't going to get a Premier League person in).  either way, we can't just parachute in someone who is perfect for the job.

I also think you underestimate his experience in the pro game.  Putting players out on loan must have resulted in a lot of networking with other clubs. He no doubt dealt with people who have gone on to be managers. This shouldn't be underplayed.

 

 

*I can, of course. 

 

[Davefevs]

10 minutes ago, Chivs said:

Thanks for the points above which have value in my opinion. However, I will say that it seems there is some incredible vitriol about Tinnion which I just can't understand*.

You are not in that camp here.

I agree with you. I'm not sure he has the right skillset.  Tinnion often looks like someone who is tired and emotional.  And under stress.  However, he needs support within the club rather than sacking. He might be struggling but the best way to learn is to get on and do the job. The alternative is to get in someone from Lg 1. That is, someone who will have to learn about our club and the Championship just as Tinnion is learning the new skillsets... (we aren't going to get a Premier League person in).  either way, we can't just parachute in someone who is perfect for the job.

I also think you underestimate his experience in the pro game.  Putting players out on loan must have resulted in a lot of networking with other clubs. He no doubt dealt with people who have gone on to be managers. This shouldn't be underplayed.

 

 

*I can, of course. 

 

Of course the response back is Rob Newman!

The role of TD requires more than football nous, it’s a strategic position, it requires business acumen too.  Those two things are underplayed in the wider skillset required.

[Mr Popodopolous]

23 minutes ago, Chivs said:

Disclosing "undisclosed" fees is unprofessional to say the least.  Do it once, it should be a clear warning; do it twice, is sackable, I agree. I think Tinnion may be on at least two disclosures so I'd agree with you.

However, the rest are subjective by you and hardly worthy of sacking Tinnion. 

• I'd be amazed if there is a club in the land who don't have a "friendly" for releasing information.
• The pathway is important but not at the risk of losing ground.  It's one of those amusing asides that people claim 'our Nige' was giving a pathway to youngsters whilst not minding that we were treading water at best...apparently, it's what many wanted... 
• Well, he's hardly going to say there're a bunch of duffers, is he?
• Sacking Pearson had nothing to do with pathways. Not sure why you are conflating that.

You tried hard to give reasoned arguments for sacking Tinnion but soon gave yourself away... 

*It isn't normal not on this level. Top 2 division clubs and maybe below, don't tend to expressly leak injury news at random intervals via a favoured fan, although I'm happy to be proven wrong. It should be relaxed by the Manager in Press Conferences only- we all get ITK stuff but this is unusual.

*Now we are treading water on the pitch and with the pathway! Brilliant..where is the next £5-10m sale coming from If that is still a policy?

*He can try boosterism if he likes, and he can be judged on it in the fullness of time. The Internet doesn't forget- I hope JKL, SPH from within, Stokes and if he's ever for Murphy from without are brilliant- I maybe conflating periods but I hope things go very well.

*Yes he was sacked to progress us or so they said, problem is we've not progressed and the pathway has regressed.

Also what @Davefevs said about Newman.

[KegCity]

20 minutes ago, Chivs said:

Thanks for the points above which have value in my opinion. However, I will say that it seems there is some incredible vitriol about Tinnion which I just can't understand*.

You are not in that camp here.

I agree with you. I'm not sure he has the right skillset.  Tinnion often looks like someone who is tired and emotional.  And under stress.  However, he needs support within the club rather than sacking. He might be struggling but the best way to learn is to get on and do the job. The alternative is to get in someone from Lg 1. That is, someone who will have to learn about our club and the Championship just as Tinnion is learning the new skillsets... (we aren't going to get a Premier League person in).  either way, we can't just parachute in someone who is perfect for the job.

I also think you underestimate his experience in the pro game.  Putting players out on loan must have resulted in a lot of networking with other clubs. He no doubt dealt with people who have gone on to be managers. This shouldn't be underplayed.

 

 

*I can, of course. 

 

We literally turned one down about a month ago, they even came to the club first.

[glynriley]

21 minutes ago, Chivs said:

we aren't going to get a Premier League person in).  either way, we can't just parachute in someone who is perfect for the job.

We had one in Phil Alexander. We bombed him out because he put Jon’s nose out of joint. Lack of professionalism permeates the club. 

[Dr Balls]

6 minutes ago, glynriley said:

We had one in Phil Alexander. We bombed him out because he put Jon’s nose out of joint. Lack of professionalism permeates the club. 

Especially as Alexander apparently pointed out how unprofessional and lacking in nous JL had been regarding sponsorship. And then Alexander gets the push. You couldn’t make it up!

[Benneythered]

Hes not going anywhere hes got Jon and Steve in his back pocket, the fact he was part of the team that picked our manager is laughable, wouldnt shock me to find out he took half his family into the room for the interviews.

[Tecknical Director]

5 hours ago, stokes7 said:

In my life experience people like you, are complete and utter cocks, who live at home in  mummy’s basement 

Better. A+. 

[spudski]

7 hours ago, redsquirrel said:

i would add to that he and Jon both believed they could take us forward and learn on the job, so far i havent seen much in the way of moving forward.

between them they have wiped out the belief of many that we were progressing steadily and in safe hands while doing so.  i might be alone but i by no means feel we are in a safe position anymore. it could quite easily tip either way.

Great isn't it...both learning on the job.

And they employ a Coach who's also admitted he's learning on the job at this level.

Whilst learning on the job...you make mistakes.

Those who have experience, have already learnt from their mistakes. 

That's what we are missing throughout this club... experience. 

Run by apprentices sadly. 

[RollsRoyce]

1 hour ago, spudski said:

Great isn't it...both learning on the job.

And they employ a Coach who's also admitted he's learning on the job at this level.

Whilst learning on the job...you make mistakes.

Those who have experience, have already learnt from their mistakes. 

That's what we are missing throughout this club... experience. 

Run by apprentices sadly. 

Is there another multi billionaire that would be employing JL, Tinnion, Gillespie and Manning as their team to take the club to the Prem and replicate the step change success of Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth ? The only thing we have remotely in common with them  is that our team starts with a B. 

[spudski]

9 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said:

Is there another multi billionaire that would be employing JL, Tinnion, Gillespie and Manning as their team to take the club to the Prem and replicate the step change success of Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth ? The only thing we have remotely in common with them  is that our team starts with a B. 

I can remember SL saying years back, that he wanted to replicate Reading and Madjeski. 

Hence employing Coppell. 

We all know how that turned out.

It's head in the clouds stuff, with no due diligence done. 

We've had years of it. 

Can't recall anybody ever saying they want to replicate Bristol City. 

[Port Red]

As some have said nothing will happen until we see the new investors come in.  

I would expect that new owners/investors would do a full review of football operations, a bit like whats happened at Man Utd.  From SL's perspective if he thinks investmentis close then why spend money firing people and hiring people that any new investor may not want anyway. 

The only way things would change otherwise is if our championship status looks threatened and potentially investment therefore less likely.

One thing I am aware of is that there is interest in the club from the US and investors were due to hold meetings in December which may or may not have happened.  How I know this before people is asked is that I work in finance and have had links in the past to consortiums looking to buy clubs and agents helping out, mostly prem to be fair but you do hear bits and pieces.

I think a lot of US interest in clubs is consortium based which in my opinion from what I have seen isn't the best option, usually fronted by a name with a football background with investor funds behind.  The danger here is that the investors aren't in it for the right reasons (like 777 Partners) or after a quick return, it can be an exciting ride but equally not sustainable.  Private Equity companies are great when their investments make money and very aggressive when not. 

The dream scenario is an individual or family with links to the sport who can come in and make a difference including,I would hope, a change Technical director pretty quickly.

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, Port Red said:

As some have said nothing will happen until we see the new investors come in.  

I would expect that new owners/investors would do a full review of football operations, a bit like whats happened at Man Utd.  From SL's perspective if he thinks investmentis close then why spend money firing people and hiring people that any new investor may not want anyway. 

The only way things would change otherwise is if our championship status looks threatened and potentially investment therefore less likely.

One thing I am aware of is that there is interest in the club from the US and investors were due to hold meetings in December which may or may not have happened.  How I know this before people is asked is that I work in finance and have had links in the past to consortiums looking to buy clubs and agents helping out, mostly prem to be fair but you do hear bits and pieces.

I think a lot of US interest in clubs is consortium based which in my opinion from what I have seen isn't the best option, usually fronted by a name with a football background with investor funds behind.  The danger here is that the investors aren't in it for the right reasons (like 777 Partners) or after a quick return, it can be an exciting ride but equally not sustainable.  Private Equity companies are great when their investments make money and very aggressive when not. 

The dream scenario is an individual or family with links to the sport who can come in and make a difference including,I would hope, a change Technical director pretty quickly.

Private equity..yes they like to lens at high Interest secured vs Club Assets. Not all but it isnt uncommon.

They would run a Club/entity in a way that gives the best chance of success quickly but if that doesn't come in drxenf timeframe then it could be a problem?

Broadly speaking agree on your post. Or they might like debt financing (Burnley under Pace, Man United under Glazers). Kind of can be abzifbed in those cases, most clubs not.

I believe the Birmgham Loan Facikty of £50m at 11.90% Interest albeit over 7 years- but they got through the bulk in a year or season or something.

[MarcusX]

On 27/12/2024 at 08:59, Portland Bill said:

I quit going 5 years ago, all because of LJ.

Watching that game yesterday on tv, it’s almost as if absolutely nothing has changed. Dire, boring, negative football. 

Its  supposed to be enjoyable, 20k people pay good money to be entertained, and watch well payed footballers show off their skills and ability. 

But, it’s not, it’s another ‘modern coach’ telling players to play to a ‘system’, a system of negativity.

i wouldn’t go and watch that nowadays if I was paid too. 

 

I respectfully disagree.

Football isn’t entertainment, it’s sport. It’s not a movie or a theatre production where everyone’s on the same page with the intent of impressing a crowd.

There are 2 teams out there opposing each other and for the large part their sole intention is win at all costs.

The reason performances are important is because they’re usually an indicator of results. Not many teams can continually play badly and nick results, so of course the goal is to play “well” or at least with a method designed to get the results.

I could be in a minority of 1, but I’d take winning every game 1-0 in a style that we saw Boxing Day over an “entertaining” (frustrating!) game such as Stoke for example.

The reason I berate the style is because longer term that way of playing is unlikely to produce the results we want.

For most the entertainment is everything that surrounds the 90 minutes. Seeing mates, visiting new places, the hope we have 3 hours before kick off.

 

[Davefevs]

12 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

I respectfully disagree.

Football isn’t entertainment, it’s sport. It’s not a movie or a theatre production where everyone’s on the same page with the intent of impressing a crowd.

There are 2 teams out there opposing each other and for the large part their sole intention is win at all costs.

The reason performances are important is because they’re usually an indicator of results. Not many teams can continually play badly and nick results, so of course the goal is to play “well” or at least with a method designed to get the results.

I could be in a minority of 1, but I’d take winning every game 1-0 in a style that we saw Boxing Day over an “entertaining” (frustrating!) game such as Stoke for example.

The reason I berate the style is because longer term that way of playing is unlikely to produce the results we want.

For most the entertainment is everything that surrounds the 90 minutes. Seeing mates, visiting new places, the hope we have 3 hours before kick off.

 

I’m with you.

And the reason is that if we did try to attempt to play like that, it would be a sign of a single identity, a plan, coherence, etc.  Whereas what we are getting is all manner of stuff at the moment.

[Portland Bill]

1 hour ago, MarcusX said:

I respectfully disagree.

Football isn’t entertainment, it’s sport. It’s not a movie or a theatre production where everyone’s on the same page with the intent of impressing a crowd.

There are 2 teams out there opposing each other and for the large part their sole intention is win at all costs.

The reason performances are important is because they’re usually an indicator of results. Not many teams can continually play badly and nick results, so of course the goal is to play “well” or at least with a method designed to get the results.

I could be in a minority of 1, but I’d take winning every game 1-0 in a style that we saw Boxing Day over an “entertaining” (frustrating!) game such as Stoke for example.

The reason I berate the style is because longer term that way of playing is unlikely to produce the results we want.

For most the entertainment is everything that surrounds the 90 minutes. Seeing mates, visiting new places, the hope we have 3 hours before kick off.

 

Perhaps I just got bored of watching absolute rubbish for 90 minutes!.

Either way, I’ve not gone for 5 years, and nothing has changed that I can see. 

[Bristol Rob]

Maybe he has already gone and the club haven't announced it.

[Kid in the Riot]

3 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Maybe he has already gone and the club haven't announced it.

[STFreeloader]

[KegCity]

Would explain why Newman was floating around at Senior Reds…

2+2=5? Or Lansdown finally pulling his finger out?

[The Exiled Robin]

5 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

[Mr Popodopolous]

11 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Maybe he has already gone and the club haven't announced it.

I noted he hasn't updated his Twitter for a few weeks.

[KegCity]

Late Christmas present from Lansdown. Always been one of his biggest and most vocal supporters.

[CyderInACan]

If Tinns has gone then no doubt we’ll get a proper replacement of some stature and reputation within the game. 
 

Announce Joe Burnell. 

[Jose]

Oh come on you can’t get me bloody excited like this…….for no reason….right???????

[Gazred]

Watch as he never gets a job like this in pro football again.

[Bristol Rob]

5 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

If Tinns has gone then no doubt we’ll get a proper replacement of some stature and reputation within the game. 
 

Announce Joe Burnell. 

He could partner with Danny Coles and provide a more rounded solution. 

[Kid in the Riot]

1 minute ago, Gazred said:

Watch as he never gets a job like this in pro football again.

If some of what he's been up to is true then he may well not.

Anyway, it's dreadful timing with the window about to open and terrifying that Jon Lansdown could now basically be running everything.

[KegCity]

2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

If some of what he's been up to is true then he may well not.

Anyway, it's dreadful timing with the window about to open and terrifying that Jon Lansdown could now basically be running everything.

He’s always struggled with the telephone if Danny Wilson is to be believed.

[ProfitInMyPocket]

Possibly out the door and back to back wins for the first time in 30 games, how fitting.

[Bristol Rob]

2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

If some of what he's been up to is true then he may well not.

Anyway, it's dreadful timing with the window about to open and terrifying that Jon Lansdown could now basically be running everything.

Possibly a convenient time for Biff to be at the Senior Reds lunch. 

[Kid in the Riot]

1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said:

Possibly a convenient time for Biff to be at the Senior Reds lunch. 

Maybe, but unrelated at this point, as far as I know. 

[Gazred]

4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

If some of what he's been up to is true then he may well not.

Anyway, it's dreadful timing with the window about to open and terrifying that Jon Lansdown could now basically be running everything.

At least one target has already been 'drawn' up...

 

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

If some of what he's been up to is true then he may well not.

Anyway, it's dreadful timing with the window about to open and terrifying that Jon Lansdown could now basically be running everything.

He’s firing up Championship Manager as I type!  Unfortunately he’s using the 2012/13 database disk he got from Mark Ashton for Xmas!

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Who knows, not me that's for sure.

Edited December 30, 2024 by Mr Popodopolous

[KegCity]

5 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Maybe, but unrelated at this point, as far as I know. 

Not heard anything concrete but would be surprised if it was a coincidence 

[STFreeloader]