Forget Manning, Tinnion out.

[Leabrook]

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Tinnion has he left Twitter of what.

Not a word about JKL or S-P-H and their recent goals- or a Retweet.

Try looking for him and that will answer your question 

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, Leabrook said:

Try looking for him and that will answer your question 

Had a quick look, seems not to have done activity on there since 6th December.

[Kid in the Riot]

On 06/01/2025 at 20:13, lenred said:

Just listened to Paul Barber on MNC.  The difference in listening to him speak compared to JL and BT is simply beyond embarrassing.  Articulate, professional, strategic, etc etc etc.   The gulf is unreal.   People may say ‘oh but Brighton are Prem’ but he joined them when they were in the championship.   We NEED footballing smarts and experience and quickly.   Get it done SL for gods sake, get it done. 

They had Brentford's Sports Psychologist on just before Xmas who was a fascinating listen. 

We're so far behind the likes of Brentford and Brighton, it's embarrassing. 

I don't think people fully realise just how badly Jon and Steve have hollowed out the off-field operation. 

Manning is honestly the absolute least of our concerns. 

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Manning is honestly the absolute least of our concerns.

Him and Knight held the Fan’s Forum together.

[Mikjizzle]

6 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

They had Brentford's Sports Psychologist on just before Xmas who was a fascinating listen. 

We're so far behind the likes of Brentford and Brighton, it's embarrassing. 

I don't think people fully realise just how badly Jon and Steve have hollowed out the off-field operation. 

Manning is honestly the absolute least of our concerns. 

Out of interest, who else have they gotten rid of and not replaced ?

[chinapig]

45 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

We're so far behind the likes of Brentford and Brighton, it's embarrassing. 

Odd isn't it that those are two of the clubs SL has said in the past we should emulate yet he has done the exact opposite of what they did?

[redsquirrel]

27 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Odd isn't it that those are two of the clubs SL has said in the past we should emulate yet he has done the exact opposite of what they did?

he tried it but dont like being told how to do it properly

[bcfcnick]

On 06/01/2025 at 20:22, Shauntaylor85 said:

Dyche was booed off during a 3.1 home defeat to WBA, he was shocking for us after we signed him following his FA Cup heroics at Chesterfield. 

He was very poor but there was a reason for that as he had (surprise, surprise) a really debilitating injury.  I think it was a knee injury rather than an early sign of our strategy to sign hamstring injury prone players.  I'm sure he would have been successful and a fans favourite were it not for his injury.  A very combative and effective defender with obvious leadership skills before his injury and obviously those same traits have brought him success as a manager.

[38MC]

2 minutes ago, bcfcnick said:

He was very poor but there was a reason for that as he had (surprise, surprise) a really debilitating injury.  I think it was a knee injury rather than an early sign of our strategy to sign hamstring injury prone players.  I'm sure he would have been successful and a fans favourite were it not for his injury.  A very combative and effective defender with obvious leadership skills before his injury and obviously those same traits have brought him success as a manager.

I often hear this so thought I’d look it up. It seems bollox to me. He barely played for us in his spell here, and then went on to have quite a successful career after us. The idea we crocked him seems like bull. 

[bcfcnick]

13 minutes ago, 38MC said:

I often hear this so thought I’d look it up. It seems bollox to me. He barely played for us in his spell here, and then went on to have quite a successful career after us. The idea we crocked him seems like bull. 

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story as they say.  Also, not saying we crocked him but he did get a nasty injury. Lots of other links validating the fact he had an injury during his time with us in addition to this one:-

https://hattersheritage.co.uk/players/sean-dyche-p980

"Sadly injury problems at Ashton Gate meant the Robins faithful never saw the best of the powerful stopper and he was loaned to Luton in January 1999 and at Kenilworth Road he was able to regain his fitness, confidence and form as well as help the Hatters to escape relegation."

 

[alexukhc]

15 minutes ago, 38MC said:

I often hear this so thought I’d look it up. It seems bollox to me. He barely played for us in his spell here, and then went on to have quite a successful career after us. The idea we crocked him seems like bull. 

He was a good defender for a small club who happened to have a good cup run, had we signed Kevin Davies too it may of been different, Billy Mercer and Paul Holland seemed fairly decent though, but also had injuries for us also

[Dastardly and Muttley]

Dyche suffered with lower back injuries, if I recall correctly.

Still one of the worst players I’ve seen wear the shirt for us, was almost terrifying seeing him have to turn to chase anyone with pace.

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I don't think people fully realise just how badly Jon and Steve have hollowed out the off-field operation.

Just on this, looking to grasp a positive in the negativity if possible.

If- more like when- the mooted Squad Cost (Football Wages, Amortisation etc) Rules of 70% kick in, if this is the new Rule- might they build it back up again? Or is this the he new normal for the foreseeable?

Edited January 8 by Mr Popodopolous

[Superjack]

I have enduring images of both Sean Dyche and Keith Millen repeatedly letting the ball bounce and having to lift their foot head high to clear the bloody thing.

*shudders*

[fly in the air]

come on Tinnion get the fans the striker we all know we need. another big following going to Coventry. the fans are showing there commitment let's see yours.

[LondonBristolian]

Well, personally I think this post will the thing that finally stirs the club into action. I’m now expecting Emmanuel Dennis in tomorrow.

[redsquirrel]

reckon ive seen les dennis 30 times,will that do?

[LondonBristolian]

5 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

reckon ive seen les dennis 30 times,will that do?

He could at least do a passable impression of a centre forward…

[Ronnie Sinclair]

11 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

reckon ive seen les dennis 30 times,will that do?

if Lansdown dips into his Family Fortune we could afford his wages 

[RedRoss]

Our survey said..

1  NEW STRIKER       X

2  ---------------

3  ---------------

4  MAYULU               15

5  CORNICK               X

[BS3 Ark at Ee]

55 minutes ago, fly in the air said:

come on Tinnion get the fans the striker we all know we need. another big following going to Coventry. the fans are showing there commitment let's see yours.

How many we sold for Cov so far? 

[cheddarwedlocker]

13 minutes ago, BS3 Ark at Ee said:

How many we sold for Cov so far? 

around 2k

[cotswoldred2]

1 hour ago, fly in the air said:

come on Tinnion get the fans the striker we all know we need. another big following going to Coventry. the fans are showing there commitment let's see yours.

He will show you his...but you first.

[Bazooka Joe]

1 hour ago, fly in the air said:

come on Tinnion get the fans the striker we all know we need. another big following going to Coventry. the fans are showing there commitment let's see yours.

Tinnion is scrolling through thousands of You Tube compilations at this very moment.

It would not surprise me to hear him announce that we are submitting ludicrously excessive bids for Loda Shyte and Uttar Krepp from  teams we’ve never heard of, playing in leagues we’ve never heard of.

I know Tinnion claims he has extensive contacts,

 

 

but the vain Geordie would see more clearly if he just wore spectacles.

[Northern Red]

Constructive stuff once again.

[slartibartfast]

2 hours ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

if Lansdown dips into his Family Fortune we could afford his wages 

If he does.............I'll give him the money myself !

[Gratz260689]

2 hours ago, fly in the air said:

come on Tinnion get the fans the striker we all know we need. another big following going to Coventry. the fans are showing there commitment let's see yours.

Think you will find Tinnion won’t be making any signings in the near future!! 

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 minutes ago, Gratz260689 said:

Think you will find Tinnion won’t be making any signings in the near future!! 

Is that in respect of the Door Marked In being wedged shut or?

[GrahamC]

39 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Constructive stuff once again.

If constructive either meant inane or grammatically suspect, I suppose.

[Cov 77]

8 hours ago, cheddarwedlocker said:

around 2k

We had just over 3k , only 500 or so left it appears so getting there 

[fly in the air]

if they won't let him do anymore signings then why is he still in his position. makes no sense to me. 

[westonred]

Do we trust Tinnion and the recruitment team with anymore signings They don't seem to reconise what a striker looks like

[fly in the air]

I would not trust Tinnion and Manning to buy a bag of sweets 

[Cider man]

3 hours ago, westonred said:

Do we trust Tinnion and the recruitment team with anymore signings They don't seem to reconise what a striker looks like

Was looking at a belter last night Macedonian 24 on a bosman but never put it up cos he won't get a deal in England plays within  his own country too defo a guy a Scottish team could sign though like Miovski who Aberdeen once had 

[Davefevs]

35 minutes ago, fly in the air said:

I would not trust Tinnion and Manning to buy a bag of sweets 

Rowntrees Randoms?

[spudski]

When it comes to recruiting, it's no point just throwing names around, just because they are doing well at another club. 

It's so much about, do they fit with how we play, and would they compliment the players around them. 

Recently it was thought we lacked physicality up front. Hence the signings of Armstrong and Fally. 

What we've seen so far, I question whether they combine well with the likes of Twine, Yu and Mehmeti. 

Yet when the less physical Wells and Bell play and  combine with them, it looks far more suitable. 

The question from me, is I haven't got a clue how LM wants the more physical strikers to combine with our AM's....how do they fit? 

Why did they need that particular ' profile' ?

A player more like Wells would imo, be more suitable. 

 

 

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, spudski said:

Why did they need that particular ' profile' ?

Cynical response:

Because Ipswich / McKenna had success with Hirst and Moore last season.

Imho the early season style of play was trying to replicate something akin to Ipswich:

1. Pring advanced left-back (Leif Davis)
2. Armstrong / Mayulu “big” 9 (Kieffer Moore / George Hirst)
3. Mehmeti / Twine inverting from left (Nathan Broadhead)
4. etc

in fact, if you take the Norwich goal by Mehmeti, it was a rate (only?) example of creating a goal that looked like Ipswich.

Ball into midfield into Bird (Chaplin), spin, ping ball to left wing

Roberts galloping forward (Davis)

Pass to an inverting Mehmeti (Broadhead)

Little dribble, gets shot off, goal.

[The turtle]

16 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

Well, personally I think this post will the thing that finally stirs the club into action. I’m now expecting Emmanuel Dennis in tomorrow.

Some posts need to come with a laughter warning! Chuckling away to myself.

[Cider man]

14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Cynical response:

Because Ipswich / McKenna had success with Hirst and Moore last season.

Imho the early season style of play was trying to replicate something akin to Ipswich:

1. Pring advanced left-back (Leif Davis)
2. Armstrong / Mayulu “big” 9 (Kieffer Moore / George Hirst)
3. Mehmeti / Twine inverting from left (Nathan Broadhead)
4. etc

in fact, if you take the Norwich goal by Mehmeti, it was a rate (only?) example of creating a goal that looked like Ipswich.

Ball into midfield into Bird (Chaplin), spin, ping ball to left wing

Roberts galloping forward (Davis)

Pass to an inverting Mehmeti (Broadhead)

Little dribble, gets shot off, goal.

George Hirst is a sick note and on mental wages never gonna happen would love case to be different cos he fancies a game for Scotland but think even if wages wasn't a issue it would still be a dodgy risk signing 

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, Cider man said:

George Hirst is a sick note and on mental wages never gonna happen would love case to be different cos he fancies a game for Scotland but think even if wages wasn't a issue it would still be a dodgy risk signing 

Who is suggesting George Hirst?

My post makes no mention of such.

[The turtle]

16 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Cynical response:

Because Ipswich / McKenna had success with Hirst and Moore last season.

Imho the early season style of play was trying to replicate something akin to Ipswich:

1. Pring advanced left-back (Leif Davis)
2. Armstrong / Mayulu “big” 9 (Kieffer Moore / George Hirst)
3. Mehmeti / Twine inverting from left (Nathan Broadhead)
4. etc

in fact, if you take the Norwich goal by Mehmeti, it was a rate (only?) example of creating a goal that looked like Ipswich.

Ball into midfield into Bird (Chaplin), spin, ping ball to left wing

Roberts galloping forward (Davis)

Pass to an inverting Mehmeti (Broadhead)

Little dribble, gets shot off, goal.

There are so many layers to this post 

Are you essentially implying, everything about best form with a back 3 at the end of last season, as well as Mannings own ideas when he first arrived (long laboured controlled possessio), were essentially ripped up to try and replicate Ipswich because it worked so well.    Only to find is wasn't effective then revert to another way!

If I'm reading you correctly, and connecting the dots, essentially it seems like it's trail and error as we go along. Plan after plan till it fits.

Which leads us to a wing back system , with insufficient cover in key areas, like um wing backs 

 

........

That's some post you have written, probably without intending, because the implications are immense!

Or I've read way too much into it.

 

 

[Cider man]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Who is suggesting George Hirst?

My post makes no mention of such.

Never said you did just saying he would be a risk he is fit though now came off bench in there last game for 17 mins

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, The turtle said:

There are so many layers to this post 

Are you essentially implying, everything about best form with a back 3 at the end of last season, as well as Mannings own ideas when he first arrived (long laboured controlled possessio), were essentially ripped up to try and replicate Ipswich because it worked so well.    Only to find is wasn't effective then revert to another way!

If I'm reading you correctly, and connecting the dots, essentially it seems like it's trail and error as we go along. Plan after plan till it fits.

Which leads us to a wing back system , with insufficient cover in key areas, like um wing backs 

 

........

That's some post you have written, probably without intending, because the implications are immense!

Or I've read way too much into it.

 

 

My simple philosophy is - players make systems, systems don’t make players

Of course there are exceptions.

As for Ipswich:

• the speed at which they played is polar opposite to us - I think that had a bearing on why it worked (for them)
• they had a manager prepared to have a “we’ll score more than you” mentality

[Phantom]

13 hours ago, Gratz260689 said:

Think you will find Tinnion won’t be making any signings in the near future!! 

Interesting, because he is still around the HPC on a daily basis

[CyderInACan]

12 minutes ago, Phantom said:

Interesting, because he is still around the HPC on a daily basis

His new job as a cleaner is going well then 

Edited yesterday at 11:25 by CyderInACan

[exAtyeoMax]

2 hours ago, CyderInACan said:

His new job as a cleaner is going well then 

The mild-mannered janitor…

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

The mild-mannered janitor…

Hong-Kong Phooey kicked with his right foot!

 

[fisherrich]

On 08/01/2025 at 19:35, Kid in the Riot said:

They had Brentford's Sports Psychologist on just before Xmas who was a fascinating listen. 

We're so far behind the likes of Brentford and Brighton, it's embarrassing. 

I don't think people fully realise just how badly Jon and Steve have hollowed out the off-field operation. 

Manning is honestly the absolute least of our concerns. 

Agreed

[fisherrich]

8 hours ago, westonred said:

Do we trust Tinnion and the recruitment team with anymore signings They don't seem to reconise what a striker looks like

No!

[RollsRoyce]

On 08/01/2025 at 19:35, Kid in the Riot said:

They had Brentford's Sports Psychologist on just before Xmas who was a fascinating listen. 

We're so far behind the likes of Brentford and Brighton, it's embarrassing. 

I don't think people fully realise just how badly Jon and Steve have hollowed out the off-field operation. 

Manning is honestly the absolute least of our concerns. 

Agree, but Manning is also part of the problem (not as a person) but he is a result of the other 2 getting to wrong. 

[Kid in the Riot]

1 hour ago, RollsRoyce said:

Agree, but Manning is also part of the problem (not as a person) but he is a result of the other 2 getting to wrong. 

I honestly don't know for sure whether he is part of the problem, or to what degree. He isn't working in an environment that is going to enhance his talent. Working in West Ham's academy and the City Group probably did. 

The likelihood is he will be sacked this year because a) the average shelf-life of a C'ship manager is less than a year, and he has been here for longer than that, and b) he was appointed by Brian Tinnion, who in turn was appointed by Steve Lansdown, and the vast majority of footballing appointments made by Steve Lansdown fail.

What level would Brian Tinnion stand a chance of being appointed as DoF at another club? League Two, if we're being generous.

Jon Lansdown as Chairman/board member? Welton Rovers? Possibly. 

Liam Manning as Head Coach? Certainly L1, and the jury is still out on Championship. 

Given the absolute shitshow, non-existent expertise "supporting" him behind the scenes, to have us 8th currently is a respectable effort.

But again, of course the likelihood is he will fail, because of the division and club where he is working. 

[nebristolred]

On 08/01/2025 at 23:49, Superjack said:

I have enduring images of both Sean Dyche and Keith Millen repeatedly letting the ball bounce and having to lift their foot head high to clear the bloody thing.

*shudders*

They were at the club at quite different times weren't they?

My most enduring memory of Dyche at AG funnily enough wasn't in a City shirt, and is in the mental Millwall game a couple years later where we both had 2 men sent off, and Matthews got an injury time winner (on his debut I think?). Although for some reason I had always thought Dyche was one of those sent off.

[Superjack]

1 minute ago, nebristolred said:

They were at the club at quite different times weren't they?

My most enduring memory of Dyche at AG funnily enough wasn't in a City shirt, and is in the mental Millwall game a couple years later where we both had 2 men sent off, and Matthews got an injury time winner (on his debut I think?). Although for some reason I had always thought Dyche was one of those sent off.

I had in my head that they played together, but you may be correct. 

 

I certainly remember them both doing it though.

[Phantom]

3 minutes ago, nebristolred said:

They were at the club at quite different times weren't they?

My most enduring memory of Dyche at AG funnily enough wasn't in a City shirt, and is in the mental Millwall game a couple years later where we both had 2 men sent off, and Matthews got an injury time winner (on his debut I think?). Although for some reason I had always thought Dyche was one of those sent off.

 

[Phantom]

4 minutes ago, Superjack said:

I had in my head that they played together, but you may be correct. 

 

I certainly remember them both doing it though.

 

[mozo]

26 minutes ago, Phantom said:

 

I remember that era pretty well, but who were Maddison and Malessa?!!

[NDW4CITY]

6 hours ago, Davefevs said:

My simple philosophy is - players make systems, systems don’t make players

Of course there are exceptions.

As for Ipswich:

• the speed at which they played is polar opposite to us - I think that had a bearing on why it worked (for them)
• they had a manager prepared to have a “we’ll score more than you” mentality

Don't disagree with that, but if it's true at BCFC right now (and I think it is), it depresses me even more, because it implies our Tech Director has even more influence than I had imagined.

My hope with Manning at the start was that he had a clear philosophy and that we would build a team based on that. And then the reality of the Championship hit him square in the face. Since then LM has clearly shown he's "flexible" in his approach, which to a certain point is a good thing. I always thought LJ was searching desperately for that one tweak to his system or that one player that would make a difference. This is where we are at right now.

The philosophy appears to be turning into a "throw shite against the wall and see what sticks" approach. We truly are rudderless.

[Gratz260689]

12 hours ago, fly in the air said:

if they won't let him do anymore signings then why is he still in his position. makes no sense to me. 

He currently ain’t he’s been suspended  

[Gratz260689]

7 hours ago, Phantom said:

Interesting, because he is still around the HPC on a daily basis

Think you will find he ain’t doing the role he’s meant to be doing as he’s been suspended

[Phantom]

14 minutes ago, mozo said:

I remember that era pretty well, but who were Maddison and Malessa?!!

Neil Maddison.. On loan from Southampton? 

Tony Malessa... Young sub keeper... Sure he later played for Weston 

[Phantom]

4 minutes ago, Gratz260689 said:

Think you will find he ain’t doing the role he’s meant to be doing as he’s been suspended

He's 100% there as our SC&T Chairman spoke to him there 

[Phantom]

5 minutes ago, Phantom said:

Neil Maddison.. On loan from Southampton? 

Tony Malessa... Young sub keeper 

Was close 

[mozo]

1 minute ago, Phantom said:

Was close 

As soon as you said Southampton I remembered the player (probably from a ProSet card)!

[Shauntaylor85]

47 minutes ago, Phantom said:

 

What a great era supporting City. Danny Wilson fun, I loved it. Even though we achieved little.  

[Maldini]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I honestly don't know for sure whether he is part of the problem, or to what degree. He isn't working in an environment that is going to enhance his talent. Working in West Ham's academy and the City Group probably did. 

The likelihood is he will be sacked this year because a) the average shelf-life of a C'ship manager is less than a year, and he has been here for longer than that, and b) he was appointed by Brian Tinnion, who in turn was appointed by Steve Lansdown, and the vast majority of footballing appointments made by Steve Lansdown fail.

What level would Brian Tinnion stand a chance of being appointed as DoF at another club? League Two, if we're being generous.

Jon Lansdown as Chairman/board member? Welton Rovers? Possibly. 

Liam Manning as Head Coach? Certainly L1, and the jury is still out on Championship. 

Given the absolute shitshow, non-existent expertise "supporting" him behind the scenes, to have us 8th currently is a respectable effort.

But again, of course the likelihood is he will fail, because of the division and club where he is working. 

Hi Kid, I think you mentioned this earlier in the thread about the lack of support staff, can you expand on that at all? What roles are we missing that a play off side should have in post? Or is it we have the people they just aren't up to taking us to the next level?

[Gratz260689]

14 minutes ago, Phantom said:

He's 100% there as our SC&T Chairman spoke to him there 

Well was suspended the weekend for something going on behind the scenes!! 

[Gazred]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I honestly don't know for sure whether he is part of the problem, or to what degree. He isn't working in an environment that is going to enhance his talent. Working in West Ham's academy and the City Group probably did. 

The likelihood is he will be sacked this year because a) the average shelf-life of a C'ship manager is less than a year, and he has been here for longer than that, and b) he was appointed by Brian Tinnion, who in turn was appointed by Steve Lansdown, and the vast majority of footballing appointments made by Steve Lansdown fail.

What level would Brian Tinnion stand a chance of being appointed as DoF at another club? League Two, if we're being generous.

Jon Lansdown as Chairman/board member? Welton Rovers? Possibly. 

Liam Manning as Head Coach? Certainly L1, and the jury is still out on Championship. 

Given the absolute shitshow, non-existent expertise "supporting" him behind the scenes, to have us 8th currently is a respectable effort.

But again, of course the likelihood is he will fail, because of the division and club where he is working. 

I've said recently that whoever does take us up would have to get us 'punching above our weight'. After reading this i'm changing that to 'defy the odds'.

God speed Liam!

[And Its Smith]

19 minutes ago, Gratz260689 said:

Well was suspended the weekend for something going on behind the scenes!! 

He was at Championship on Thursday doing his job I know that much 

[RollsRoyce]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I honestly don't know for sure whether he is part of the problem, or to what degree. He isn't working in an environment that is going to enhance his talent. Working in West Ham's academy and the City Group probably did. 

The likelihood is he will be sacked this year because a) the average shelf-life of a C'ship manager is less than a year, and he has been here for longer than that, and b) he was appointed by Brian Tinnion, who in turn was appointed by Steve Lansdown, and the vast majority of footballing appointments made by Steve Lansdown fail.

What level would Brian Tinnion stand a chance of being appointed as DoF at another club? League Two, if we're being generous.

Jon Lansdown as Chairman/board member? Welton Rovers? Possibly. 

Liam Manning as Head Coach? Certainly L1, and the jury is still out on Championship. 

Given the absolute shitshow, non-existent expertise "supporting" him behind the scenes, to have us 8th currently is a respectable effort.

But again, of course the likelihood is he will fail, because of the division and club where he is working. 

I do agree with your sentiment, and it would be the same for any coach.manager coming in or who has been here. But Manning has some big issues and he is not getting any better. He is very limited and will remain so, he is miles off what we need going forward. They all need changing . 

[Davefevs]

19 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

He was at Championship on Thursday doing his job I know that much 

What does that mean, or am I being thick?