Another manager gone

[East Londoner]

Stokes second manager of the season sacked

Some definite parallels with us in that they got an ex player as sporting director who appears to be unsackable but out of their depth

Edited December 27, 2024 by East Londoner

[BCFCGav]

Can’t imagine Edwards has long at Luton. Thought this might be him when I saw the thread. 

[MythikRobins]

11 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

Can’t imagine Edwards has long at Luton. Thought this might be him when I saw the thread. 

Was a toss up between Argyle and Luton for me

[Red Cyril 2]

11 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

Can’t imagine Edwards has long at Luton. Thought this might be him when I saw the thread. 

Was hoping it was ours

[Super]

25 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

Can’t imagine Edwards has long at Luton. Thought this might be him when I saw the thread. 

Surely he has credit after what he's done there.

[BCFCGav]

7 minutes ago, Super said:

Surely he has credit after what he's done there.

Being relegated from the Prem is understandable, being in danger of back-to-back relegations on the other hand! I don’t think it’ll happen but they have been surprisingly poor this season. 

[Kodjias Wrist]

10 minutes ago, Super said:

Surely he has credit after what he's done there.

I think so but he didn’t build that squad did he. Nathan Jones should have stayed there and finished the job. 

[Dr Balls]

53 minutes ago, East Londoner said:

Stokes second manager of the season sacked

Some definite parallels with us in that they got an ex player as sporting director who appears to be unsackable but out of their depth

They have gone through 3 managers in the last season and a bit. Alex Neil to Steven Schumacher, to the French guy and now goodness knows. Job for LJ?!

[Ronnie Sinclair]

Another managerial failure at Stoke, oh dear, how sad, never mind 

[LondonBristolian]

It doesn’t seem like any manager can make the Stoke job work and that goes way before Jonathan Walters. It is no secret from my posts that I’m no fan of our board or set up but I feel Stoke’s problems way, way deeper than ours do.

[joe jordans teeth]

5 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

I think so but he didn’t build that squad did he. Nathan Jones should have stayed there and finished the job. 

Ring any bells 

[petehinton]

Jonathan Walters won’t be far off. Properly put his ego and self image before the club with that decision. What a mess. 

[Ronnie Sinclair]

Just now, petehinton said:

Jonathan Walters won’t be far off. Properly put his ego and self image before the club with that decision. What a mess. 

Roy Keane knows all about Walters does he not 

[Markthehorn]

Like us they might work out it’s probably not the manager that is the problem?

[cidercity1987]

1 hour ago, East Londoner said:

Stokes second manager of the season sacked

Some definite parallels with us in that they got an ex player as sporting director who appears to be unsackable but out of their depth

That's a shame, I like to see that deluded fanbase well behind us

[MelksRed]

1 hour ago, East Londoner said:

Stokes second manager of the season sacked

Some definite parallels with us in that they got an ex player as sporting director who appears to be unsackable but out of their depth

Bet SL doesn't quote them as a beacon of what can be achieved. Stroker

 

[fly in the air]

at least they have made a decision and making a change. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Seemed a strange appointment in the first place, what were his credentials? I know little about Pelach.

[GrahamC]

12 hours ago, petehinton said:

Jonathan Walters won’t be far off. Properly put his ego and self image before the club with that decision. What a mess. 

Didn’t think any other club in our division had a Tinnion.

Stoke? Hold my beer..

[Randy Marsh II]

Annoying lack of "Manning on Stoke's list" articles 

[Loosey Boy]

Wow, another two managers down before New Year up there….

Who they gonna get now?

Who in their right mind would want that job?

There are some decent enough managers available at the moment, but would any of them want it?

[italian dave]

11 hours ago, fly in the air said:

at least they have made a decision and making a change. 

Yep. As they did a year ago. And again 6 months ago. And now again for the third time in a year.

And they’re still 8 places and 8 points behind us.

Doesn’t feel like it’s a decision that guarantees anything very much? 

[City oz]

12 hours ago, Markthehorn said:

Like us they might work out it’s probably not the manager that is the problem?

You sure on that one. I think there is a combination at BS3.

[Markthehorn]

1 minute ago, City oz said:

You sure on that one. I think there is a combination at BS3.

Sorry meant Watford .

9 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Seemed a strange appointment in the first place, what were his credentials? I know little about Pelach.

Trendy young coach who plays the “right way” I presume,

Thing is he was appointed by someone whose best years  were under Tony Pulis so very different 

[Show Me The Money!]

13 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

It doesn’t seem like any manager can make the Stoke job work and that goes way before Jonathan Walters. It is no secret from my posts that I’m no fan of our board or set up but I feel Stoke’s problems way, way deeper than ours do.

But you know what will happen though, that Stoke will get back to prem before we ever do.

It’s what happens. Clubs go into free fall, drop below us to league one or further yet after a few dark years will come back past us into the prem again

[Mr Popodopolous]

47 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Yep. As they did a year ago. And again 6 months ago. And now again for the third time in a year.

And they’re still 8 places and 8 points behind us.

Doesn’t feel like it’s a decision that guarantees anything very much? 

Stoke have simikaeirws to us structurally if we look into it..but less patient on top.

*Rich owner albeit richer due to Bet365.

*Rich owner gets older (Coates, Lansdown), son steps up.

*Son not especially impressive- (John Coates, Jon Lansdown).

*Former playing icon(?) as Technical Director (Jon Walters, Brian Tinnion).

Could even say that owner not the true driving force of their wealth- some credit Denise Coates son of Peter for getting Bet365 where it us today more than Peter. (Some say Hargreaves was more dynamic than SL).

[GrahamC]

8 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

But you know what will happen though, that Stoke will get back to prem before we ever do.

It’s what happens. Clubs go into free fall, drop below us to league one or further yet after a few dark years will come back past us into the prem again

Absolutely no evidence for that in Stoke’s case.

Remember people posting this about Plymouth, even that we would play the gas soon.

Absolutely no sense of perspective.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Didn’t think any other club in our division had a Tinnion.

Stoke? Hold my beer..

Walters needs to follow the Mark Bowen school of DoFs and appoint himself as manager!

[BS3City]

Appreciate the Stoke detail, love all this talk of them struggling. Wasn't feeling great this morning but it's cheered me up quite a bit.

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

With the timing of the sacking I would imagine there is someone lurking ready to take over in the next day or so.

[MythikRobins]

38 minutes ago, BS3City said:

Appreciate the Stoke detail, love all this talk of them struggling. Wasn't feeling great this morning but it's cheered me up quite a bit.

Wait till you hear about Hull’s pantomime of a season and preseason!

[spudski]

2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Didn’t think any other club in our division had a Tinnion.

Stoke? Hold my beer..

I can't imagine BT saying these words, which Walters did after the sacking.

"However, with the way results and performances have been in recent weeks, we have to accept with hindsight that he has not proved to be the right fit for this club at this time."

"I take full responsibility for that and I'm absolutely determined that we will now make the right choice to take us forward."

 

[Roger Red Hat]

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Stoke have simikaeirws to us structurally

Eh? I've noticed a lot of strange words in your posts recently Mr P!

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Eh? I've noticed a lot of strange words in your posts recently Mr P!

I touch type at varied types, predictive text eh and use Predictive Text..the Edit facility used to be an hour on here iirc or close to, now it's closer to half an hour or so.

[Davefevs]

13 minutes ago, spudski said:

I can't imagine BT saying these words, which Walters did after the sacking.

"However, with the way results and performances have been in recent weeks, we have to accept with hindsight that he has not proved to be the right fit for this club at this time."

"I take full responsibility for that and I'm absolutely determined that we will now make the right choice to take us forward."

 

It’s still just words though isn’t it?

[Mr Popodopolous]

I'd be quite fond of the idea of Stoke going down but they will probably stay up- albeit 2 managers sacked by halfway is usually a fairly bad indicator.

[spudski]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

It’s still just words though isn’t it?

Agreed, just words...but admitting your failings goes a long way imo. 

Looking at Stoke, they've done exactly what we've done. 

Put people in charge that have little or no experience, in those positions, at this level or above. Experience on how to do it well, and push on. 

I look at our set up right now, and it has downward spiral written all over it. 

Literally devoid of experience needed to push on. 

[Robbored]

18 minutes ago, spudski said:

I can't imagine BT saying these words, which Walters did after the sacking.

"However, with the way results and performances have been in recent weeks, we have to accept with hindsight that he has not proved to be the right fit for this club at this time."

"I take full responsibility for that and I'm absolutely determined that we will now make the right choice to take us forward."

 

Since signing for a city in 1993 Tinnion has become part of the hierarchy since his playing and academy days and is obviously well respected by the Lansdowns.

Apart from a coaching spell in Spain he’s been involved at City pretty much 30+ years and unless there’s a change of ownership BT won’t be going anywhere. He’ll have no reason to take responsibility for anything whilst the Lansdowns are major shareholders.

With SL essentially retired it’s JL and BT who run the show at City. 

 

[Jerseybean]

BBC coverage: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5yw7pgq2lko

[Bar BS3]

2 hours ago, spudski said:

Agreed, just words...but admitting your failings goes a long way imo. 

Looking at Stoke, they've done exactly what we've done. 

Put people in charge that have little or no experience, in those positions, at this level or above. Experience on how to do it well, and push on. 

I look at our set up right now, and it has downward spiral written all over it. 

Literally devoid of experience needed to push on. 

So what you are saying is, we should get someone like Mark Ashton....?! 

[Mr Popodopolous]

6 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

So what you are saying is, we should get someone like Mark Ashton....?! 

No, someone of the calibre of Richard Gould or Phil Alexander! Although 

[Bar BS3]

22 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

No, someone of the calibre of Richard Gould or Phil Alexander! Although 

As we've seen, someone of Richard Gould's calibre can be brought in & then gets offered bigger roles elsewhere that he can't turn down. 

[LondonBristolian]

30 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

So what you are saying is, we should get someone like Mark Ashton....?! 

 I’m genuinely torn on whether I would take Ashton over Tinnion. Ashton made some awful decisions but decisions at least got made…

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, Bar BS3 said:

As we've seen, someone of Richard Gould's calibre can be brought in & then gets offered bigger roles elsewhere that he can't turn down. 

Yes that is the dilemma isn't it. Alexander I wasn't terribly impressed by from afar but he had a PL Track Record and was a dedicated CEO.

Ashton has had a pretty mixed history at times..their squad how often does it reach PL in 20 Seasons, not often IMO especially up vs Leeds, Leicester and Southampton with Year 1 Parachute Payments.

[LondonBristolian]

2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

As we've seen, someone of Richard Gould's calibre can be brought in & then gets offered bigger roles elsewhere that he can't turn down. 

That’s not necessarily a bad thing though as long as there is a clear contingency plan in place, which there obviously wasn’t. Whether CEO, manager or player, I would always rather go for someone who big clubs wanted and we needed to replace than someone who is just not of the required quality.

[Bar BS3]

9 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

That’s not necessarily a bad thing though as long as there is a clear contingency plan in place, which there obviously wasn’t. Whether CEO, manager or player, I would always rather go for someone who big clubs wanted and we needed to replace than someone who is just not of the required quality.

Yes, agreed.

We did have the contingency plan of Alexander.... he just didn't stick around long.

You ideally want those positions to be long term appointments, otherwise it's hard to implement any particular plan or strategy. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said:

We did have the contingency plan of Alexander.... he just didn't stick around long. 

We got rid of him, we changed the structure for reasons unknown was my recollection.

[Bar BS3]

7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

We got rid of him, we changed the structure for reasons unknown was my recollection.

No details made public but definitely reported that he "stepped down" from the position. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

No details made public but definitely reported that he "stepped down" from the position. 

We don't have a dedicated CEO, all very strange but wasn't it explained latterly, might be mis-remembering.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/jon-lansdown-bristol-city-scudamore-9290480

[Kid in the Riot]

19 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

No details made public but definitely reported that he "stepped down" from the position. 

He was told to step down, or be sacked. 

[Bar BS3]

3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

He was told to step down, or be sacked. 

Possibly. I've not seen anything that confirms or suggests that.

[Davefevs]

31 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

He was told to step down, or be sacked. 

They tried the same with Pearson.  He declined to be sacked but it communicated as  “mutual”!!!

[Silvio Dante]

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

It’s still just words though isn’t it?

But then, words are all I have, to take your heart away.

[Mr Popodopolous]

35 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Possibly. I've not seen anything that confirms or suggests that.

Well reading between the lines.. 

The position of CEO appears to be deemed not needed and or redundant.

Jon Lansdown explained it, or explained it as only he could in the link provided.

If it was a case of a CEO quitting verbatim, why did we not seek out a new one.

[spudski]

2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

So what you are saying is, we should get someone like Mark Ashton....?! 

Gould and Alexander were in the right direction.

[Lanterne Rouge]

Sky saying Alex Neil taking over at Millwall.

[Henry]

On 28/12/2024 at 15:24, Kid in the Riot said:

He was told to step down, or be sacked. 

As a salaried employee, what’s grounds did they have to sack him?

[Kid in the Riot]

20 minutes ago, Henry said:

As a salaried employee, what’s grounds did they have to sack him?

In the first two years of employment, your employer barely needs a reason. 

Legislation brought in by the Tories post-2015. 

Edited December 29, 2024 by Kid in the Riot

[MythikRobins]

John Heitinga favourite for West Brom job. He is the EXACT profile of manager I’d want us to bring in if we were looking. I’m hoping they don’t.

[Phantom]

Rob Edwards has left Luton 

[Selred]

On 29/12/2024 at 22:48, MythikRobins said:

John Heitinga favourite for West Brom job. He is the EXACT profile of manager I’d want us to bring in if we were looking. I’m hoping they don’t.

Why, out of interest?

[Ronnie Sinclair]

8 minutes ago, Phantom said:

Rob Edwards has left Luton 

Was inevitable I'm surprised he lasted as long as this, probably gave him the Christmas games to see if he could turn it around.  Be interesting to see who they replace him with

[One Team]

5 minutes ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

Was inevitable I'm surprised he lasted as long as this, probably gave him the Christmas games to see if he could turn it around.  Be interesting to see who they replace him with

Job for Manning?!

I did think after all this time they would stick with him but you are probably right.

[Ronnie Sinclair]

Sounds like Lopetegui might be next for the chop at West Ham, Potter favourite to take over 

[Ronnie Sinclair]

Lopetegui now confirmed as sacked 

[MythikRobins]

30 minutes ago, Selred said:

Why, out of interest?

I believe the best way for us to get promoted is by getting a manager who’s way too talented for the division. The issue with that is if a manager has proven to be way too talented prior they will obviously not come here. Think of someone like Hurzeler who was fast tracked to the premier league after only a year as a manager. I want us to find a Rohl, Hurzeler, Mckenna etc. Someone who hasn’t managed before, but is a proven elite coach. Heitinga is a proven elite coach who supposedly wants to get into management at some point, it’s a big risk, but I think it’s worth taking.

[A Horse With No Name]

6 minutes ago, MythikRobins said:

I believe the best way for us to get promoted is by getting a manager who’s way too talented for the division. The issue with that is if a manager has proven to be way too talented prior they will obviously not come here. Think of someone like Hurzeler who was fast tracked to the premier league after only a year as a manager. I want us to find a Rohl, Hurzeler, Mckenna etc. Someone who hasn’t managed before, but is a proven elite coach. Heitinga is a proven elite coach who supposedly wants to get into management at some point, it’s a big risk, but I think it’s worth taking.

And yet when the Gas appointed one a few weeks ago, they were roundly mocked on here.

[MythikRobins]

12 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

And yet when the Gas appointed one a few weeks ago, they were roundly mocked on here.

It will always be mocked until it works out. Granted in the Gas' position I'd be against it seeing how close they are to relegation. I'm more inclined when you're a safe midtable club so even if it doesn't work out you can quickly pivot and more than likely be fine.

[WarksRobin]

On 08/01/2025 at 13:00, Phantom said:

Rob Edwards has left Luton 

Is this correct? I haven't seen it reported anywhere

[RedLionLad]

7 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

Is this correct? I haven't seen it reported anywhere

Talk Sport :  Edwards and Luton have now agreed to part ways - although no official announcement has been made yet.