Sniper Posted January 4 Posted January 4 I know this has been discussed many times before, but I feel we're missing a big advantage not getting home fans back in the Atyeo. We'd generate a lot of noise and the players would have fan backing at both ends of the pitch. No idea how to get the club to listen though? Thoughts? 2 3 1 2 Quote
weepywall Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Thoughts...not going to happen, would be good tho. Suppose it would be possible if you could enter from the Dolman but as I say it won't happen. Quote
And Its Smith Posted January 4 Posted January 4 10 minutes ago, Sniper said: I know this has been discussed many times before, but I feel we're missing a big advantage not getting home fans back in the Atyeo. We'd generate a lot of noise and the players would have fan backing at both ends of the pitch. No idea how to get the club to listen though? Thoughts? Last time home fans were in the Atyeo they made no noise 11 1 1 Quote
PortInTheMorning Posted January 4 Posted January 4 @Robbored on his way to explain why haha I want us to go back to the old east end set up in the south stand 1 Quote
Bar BS3 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 31 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Last time home fans were in the Atyeo they made no noise Rubbish acoustics- then to make it worse, we completely redesign the roof of the stand when we move out & give it the away fans.! Oh wait, what..?! 1 Quote
ChippenhamRed Posted January 4 Posted January 4 The people who make the most noise are a finite number and most of them are regulars. If you put some of them in the Atyeo, all you do is split up the most vocal people into smaller groups in different areas. I can’t see how that helps much - if anything it might make it harder to get a song started. 3 Quote
CHIPLEY RED Posted January 4 Posted January 4 When the home fans were in the Atyeo there was a clammer to move to the old East End (now south stand). The club has accommodated safe standing to and extent and given the corner to the "singers" We don't have a big enough fan base to justify splitting the singers. The logistics of using the Atyeo now make in impossible. You would have to make a segregated area with dedicated turnstiles for the maximum away attendance about 3500. That would mean Dolman or Lansdown so where would our supporters in those stands go. Only real option would be Upper Lansdown but the shared entrance and con course would need to be resolved plus mixing in the fans zone. Stay as we are 2 1 Quote
Admin Phantom Posted January 4 Admin Posted January 4 Absolutely no point in moving fans around in the idea of making more noise Today apart from the random chant it was solely the S82 area making any noise. It doesn't matter where they are, it won't get any louder as people are clearly not interested in vocally supporting the team 6 Quote
redkev Posted January 4 Posted January 4 I personally think our home support vocally is on a par with most other teams in this division except Leeds who’s fans like them or loathe them are excellent, tbf Coventry fans are decent at home aswell all other teams have good days and bad days like us , also think our away support is very decent too 3 Quote
Bristol Rob Posted January 4 Posted January 4 12 minutes ago, CHIPLEY RED said: When the home fans were in the Atyeo there was a clammer to move to the old East End (now south stand). The club has accommodated safe standing to and extent and given the corner to the "singers" We don't have a big enough fan base to justify splitting the singers. The logistics of using the Atyeo now make in impossible. You would have to make a segregated area with dedicated turnstiles for the maximum away attendance about 3500. That would mean Dolman or Lansdown so where would our supporters in those stands go. Only real option would be Upper Lansdown but the shared entrance and con course would need to be resolved plus mixing in the fans zone. Stay as we are Bring back Dolman block A singers.... for the 3 games they made an effort, before that experiment vanished. No idea if it was the club or that group who called time on it. 7 Quote
Robbored Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 hour ago, PortInTheMorning said: @Robbored on his way to explain why haha I want us to go back to the old east end set up in the south stand What’s funny about explaining why it’ll not happen……… Quote
PortInTheMorning Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Just now, Robbored said: What’s funny about explaining why it’ll not happen……… Bless you Quote
RobImps Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 hours ago, Sniper said: I know this has been discussed many times before, but I feel we're missing a big advantage not getting home fans back in the Atyeo. We'd generate a lot of noise and the players would have fan backing at both ends of the pitch. No idea how to get the club to listen though? Thoughts? When we were all in the Atyeo, everyone made a conscious effort to get back in the east end... Because the Atyeo accoustics are crap. And crap they are, we are getting 3k plus away crowds and the noise generated is nothing to write about. Reality is, the south stand needs to up it's game. 3 Quote
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) They are mediocre IMO the Atyeo acoustics. Not brilliant, not awful but meh- East End ones struck me as being impressive. However a lot of fans standing and away fans will invariably contain a higher ratio of singers etc. We need a bigger Safe Standing area or 2nd one IMO. For Official Safe Standing we need to offer Away Fans this too as @Phantom pointed out to me on a thread earlier.. Ratios etc I've no idea on but 1.4k out of 22k or so in Home Areas feels below an ideal one. Edited January 4 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: Rubbish acoustics- then to make it worse, we completely redesign the roof of the stand when we move out & give it the away fans.! Oh wait, what..?! Nope that was the East End. Whoever was in charge then gave our spiritual home to Away fans at least on part and that actually did have strong acoustics. Quote
Bar BS3 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 49 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Bring back Dolman block A singers.... for the 3 games they made an effort, before that experiment vanished. No idea if it was the club or that group who called time on it. It made some more noise, but the embarrassing repetitions of "I'm a Bristol City fan & I'm a ****ing w***er" are not missed.! A wasted opportunity taken up by a bunch of idiots without the with or humour to make the most of it. Quote
Bar BS3 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Nope that was the East End. Whoever was in charge then gave our spiritual home to Away fans at least on part and that actually did have strong acoustics. No, it was the Atyeo & you have completely missed the point of my post. There have been no changes to the stand, it's just more noisy now with people singing in it - nothing to do acoustic nonsense. Quote
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said: No, it was the Atyeo & you have completely missed the point of my post. There have been no changes to the stand, it's just more noisy now with people singing in it - nothing to do acoustic nonsense. You've also missed my point. A real good one a past hierarchy gave in part to Away fans...acoustics do 100% play a role. Away fans are generally more likely to stand, standing fans are more likely to be chanting..a range of factors. Quote
Bar BS3 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 13 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: You've also missed my point. A real good one a past hierarchy gave in part to Away fans...acoustics do 100% play a role. Away fans are generally more likely to stand, standing fans are more likely to be chanting..a range of factors. That's the away fans perogative. Doesn't change the fact that it has nothing to do with the stand, it's the people in it that make the noise, or not. Quote
Red94 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 We have a singing section, just need more people to sing in said section. Like trying to flog a dead horse half the time. 2 Quote
pongo88 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 4 hours ago, Sniper said: I know this has been discussed many times before, but I feel we're missing a big advantage not getting home fans back in the Atyeo. We'd generate a lot of noise and the players would have fan backing at both ends of the pitch. No idea how to get the club to listen though? Thoughts? If the home fans go in the Atyeo the away fans must go somewhere else. If they go somewhere else that means creating a space for approx 3k away fans plus a segregation space.. (The club is not going to give a reduced allowance for away fans as that would mean reduced income). Has anyone asked the home fans who would be relocated if they want to move and where would they go? Some might want to move to the Atyeo but I don’t believe 3k would want to go there as it has the worse facilities. Plus it’s behind a goal which isn’t good if you prefer a side view. There are other options but they would mean structural rebuilding of the ground which is unlikely. Quote
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Red94 said: We have a singing section, just need more people to sing in said section. Like trying to flog a dead horse half the time. It is a sad indictment of Modern Football that we have a term such as Singing Section but that's probably another topic. 3 1 Quote
Red94 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: It is a sad indictment of Modern Football that we have a term such as Singing Section but that's probably another topic. Probably better described as the standing section instead . 1 Quote
cheddarwedlocker Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Red94 said: We have a singing section, just need more people to sing in said section. Like trying to flog a dead horse half the time. Too many kids who only know the words to ole ole ola. Any danger of a ‘If I had the wings of a sparrow’ they all look at each other and question if this is a new song. 2 Quote
Benneythered Posted January 4 Posted January 4 This has been done to death, its not happening, there would only be another excuse when this didnt work. Quote
Red94 Posted January 5 Posted January 5 7 hours ago, cheddarwedlocker said: Too many kids who only know the words to ole ole ola. Any danger of a ‘If I had the wings of a sparrow’ they all look at each other and question if this is a new song. Completely agree, would be good to have some more older heads dotted about in the ‘standing section’ but they don’t seem interested in singing anymore. Quote
Red Cyril 2 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 On 04/01/2025 at 15:11, Sniper said: I know this has been discussed many times before, but I feel we're missing a big advantage not getting home fans back in the Atyeo. We'd generate a lot of noise and the players would have fan backing at both ends of the pitch. No idea how to get the club to listen though? Thoughts? Yes yes yes and YES. The home advantage is so just not taken advantage at the new gate. It needs to be hostile and not a nice place to come too. Get the away fans tucked up in top Lansdown block Atyeo end. Maybe use Dolman Atyeo end block too. And give us full Atyeo. Yes I know it will cost in crowd segragration and more stewards and police. SL is a billionaire and sorry but getting home advantage is so necessary. It will win extra points to SL's premier league dream or does that have a spending cap on it ? 1 1 Quote
Admin Phantom Posted January 7 Admin Posted January 7 17 minutes ago, Red Cyril 2 said: Yes yes yes and YES. The home advantage is so just not taken advantage at the new gate. It needs to be hostile and not a nice place to come too. Get the away fans tucked up in top Lansdown block Atyeo end. Maybe use Dolman Atyeo end block too. And give us full Atyeo. Where do you expect all these extra people to want to sing etc to suddenly come from? 1 Quote
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 7 Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, Phantom said: Where do you expect all these extra people to want to sing etc to suddenly come from? I actually think that Supply would be outstripped by demand but the question is to what extent. Certainly to stand. 1 Quote
Red Cyril 2 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I actually think that Supply would be outstripped by demand but the question is to what extent. Certainly to stand. Yes agree 1 Quote
Crackers Corner Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Could bring back crackers corner if in the atyeo. Quote
The Nest Egg Posted January 7 Posted January 7 19 minutes ago, Phantom said: Where do you expect all these extra people to want to sing etc to suddenly come from? I think there would be plenty who currently don't feel that they can sing unless in S82, which sells out pretty much every game. Quote
Super Posted January 7 Posted January 7 44 minutes ago, Red Cyril 2 said: Yes yes yes and YES. The home advantage is so just not taken advantage at the new gate. It needs to be hostile and not a nice place to come too. Get the away fans tucked up in top Lansdown block Atyeo end. Maybe use Dolman Atyeo end block too. And give us full Atyeo. Yes I know it will cost in crowd segragration and more stewards and police. SL is a billionaire and sorry but getting home advantage is so necessary. It will win extra points to SL's premier league dream or does that have a spending cap on it ? Hostile? Those days are long gone not really any ground like it anymore. 1 Quote
Natchfever Posted January 7 Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, Super said: Hostile? Those days are long gone not really any ground like it anymore. Agreed not hostile but some are pretty noisy tbf. 2 Quote
LilRascal Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) Is there any evidence that the team is affected by the home or away environment? If the suggestion is that our team suffers from a lack of singing / noise from home supporters, as opposed to when we are away with vociferous travelling support, then you'd have thought we'd be relatively higher in a table of just away performances vs a table of just home performances. The reverse seems to be true - currently in a table of home only results we're 7th, away only we're 9th (overall 8th). Least season we were 7th in the home results only table - 10 places higher than our 17th place in the away results only table. Similarly in 2022/23 we were 12th in the home results only table and 17th in the away results only table. In 2020/21 when covid meant the stadium was empty we were 22nd in home results only table, 16th in the away results only table. In 2021/22 18th in the home results only table, 19th in the away results only table. So it does look like our team performs better in the few seasons, relative to all other team in the league, as a home team when we have our supporters in the stadium. So not really sure the argument that our team doesn't feel a home advantage stands really. Also, the Atyeo was a bit rubbish - now the old East End - that was proper! Edited January 7 by LilRascal Quote
Hello Dave Posted January 7 Posted January 7 On 04/01/2025 at 18:27, RobImps said: When we were all in the Atyeo, everyone made a conscious effort to get back in the east end... Because the Atyeo accoustics are crap. And crap they are, we are getting 3k plus away crowds and the noise generated is nothing to write about. Reality is, the south stand needs to up it's game. Depends where you sit. I’m in Dolman B block and there’s usually a decent noise from most away fans. On the other hand, we can’t hear the South Stand at all. Id prefer the singing section( hate that!) to be in the lower Dolman. I think you’d get A & B blocks joining in then. There’s a lot of the “ old school” fans in there, who won’t sing on their own, but would join in. 1 1 Quote
Robbored Posted January 7 Posted January 7 1 hour ago, The Nest Egg said: I think there would be plenty who currently don't feel that they can sing unless in S82, which sells out pretty much every game. Which hardly anyone can hear - any sound just dissipates upwards. Quote
Chairman Mao Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) Recently I've been sitting in the lower block (A?) right by the Away Fans. Im always surprised how there isn't a gaggle of slightly nuttier non season ticket holders there giving the opposition supporters some lip. Much prefer to be close to the away fans for some back and forth than miles away from them at the other end of the pitch. Even had the pleasure of seeing the Plymouth fans scuffling amongst each other a few weeks back. Edited January 7 by Chairman Mao Quote
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 7 Posted January 7 From memory in pre redevelopment 1990s to 2014 money.. A-G- What is now Upper E34-E28 H-N- What is now Lower E34-E28 Quote
Admin Phantom Posted January 7 Admin Posted January 7 4 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I actually think that Supply would be outstripped by demand but the question is to what extent. Certainly to stand. What's stopping people get involved now? 4 hours ago, The Nest Egg said: I think there would be plenty who currently don't feel that they can sing unless in S82, which sells out pretty much every game. There's been seats available most games recently, certainly are in the neighbouring blocks. S82 won't be going anywhere Quote
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 7 Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, Phantom said: What's stopping people get involved now? Unsure what you mean, I'm saying the Safe Standing Section is too small. Holds 1.4kish? Think given the chance more than 1.4k Home fans would be amenable to it.. it's ST only no? Quote
Alan Dicks Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Where did it all go wrong from the 70s and 80s? The atmosphere back then was so much better and louder. This ground is like a library these days for the home fans, rather embarrassing I find. 1 Quote
Alan Dicks Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Everybody needs to get back to the Dolman A & B block’s whatever they’re called these days. Very loud up there and right next to the away support. 2 Quote
The Nest Egg Posted January 7 Posted January 7 3 hours ago, Phantom said: What's stopping people get involved now? There's been seats available most games recently, certainly are in the neighbouring blocks. S82 won't be going anywhere Because that area is currently a bit of a purgatory; is it for the louder, singing fans, or is it for families? Personally when there I sing but stay sitting down. I maintain that the best way to do it would have been to allocate more of the South Stand and install the rail seating there too. Unfortunately I think sharing the Atyeo - or home fans having it back - is not viable as the police won't let it happen. 1 Quote
Donny T Posted January 7 Posted January 7 On 04/01/2025 at 15:22, And Its Smith said: Last time home fans were in the Atyeo they made no noise Because just like now the home fans were shoved in the corner instead of behind the goal . Quote
Donny T Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) 3 hours ago, Alan Dicks said: Everybody needs to get back to the Dolman A & B block’s whatever they’re called these days. Very loud up there and right next to the away support. When it’s been done a few times over the last few years it’s made the atmosphere much better . I know it’s annoyed a few long standing season ticket holders in that area but if the club aren’t willing to do anything about the horrific atmosphere we have it seems the only way . Edited January 7 by Donny T Quote
And Its Smith Posted January 7 Posted January 7 7 minutes ago, Donny T said: Because just like now the home fans were shoved in the corner instead of behind the goal . Bloody hell. So we need everyone sitting in the exact perfect seat before they will sing! If more people sing then the atmosphere improves. It’s that simple. Just sing and stop making excuses 4 1 Quote
Donny T Posted January 7 Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Bloody hell. So we need everyone sitting in the exact perfect seat before they will sing! If more people sing then the atmosphere improves. It’s that simple. Just sing and stop making excuses I agree about people joining in but all the grounds in England that make noise all have a whole end of fans stood behind the goal . If you go through football clubs in England you’ll notice every club with a poor atmosphere has a whole end behind the goal they give to away fans , for example us , Wigan , bolton and Blackburn . It’s not a coincidence. 1 Quote
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 7 Posted January 7 8 minutes ago, Donny T said: I agree about people joining in but all the grounds in England that make noise all have a whole end of fans stood behind the goal . If you go through football clubs in England you’ll notice every club with a poor atmosphere has a whole end behind the goal they give to away fans , for example us , Wigan , bolton and Blackburn . It’s not a coincidence. One other way could be to have like wasn't uncommon pre all seater a whole End of Safe Standing behind each Goal..two noisy largely ends can create a lot of noise and tbh if South Stand was all Safe Standing.there would be a major difference IMO. Disruption, Cost and Safety Requirements plus those already there may make this less than feasible but whatever the solution the present scenario feels less than optimal for us. 1 Quote
Donny T Posted January 7 Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: One other way could be to have like wasn't uncommon pre all seater a whole End of Safe Standing behind each Goal..two noisy largely ends can create a lot of noise and tbh if South Stand was all Safe Standing.there would be a major difference IMO. Disruption, Cost and Safety Requirements plus those already there may make this less than feasible but whatever the solution the present scenario feels less than optimal for us. Yeah that would be great but unfortunately under the current ownership it’s pretty obvious they have no intention of improving the atmosphere. That leaves us with two options. 1- carry on as we are with 95% of the ground sat on their hands in silence . 2- Fans taking it into their own hands like a few times in the last couple of seasons and finding a new area in the ground to stand and actually make noise getting behind the team ,instead of gormlessly sitting there in silence waiting for the 35th minute to walk down and get their pie . 2 Quote
Spike Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 04/01/2025 at 17:18, ChippenhamRed said: The people who make the most noise are a finite number and most of them are regulars. If you put some of them in the Atyeo, all you do is split up the most vocal people into smaller groups in different areas. I can’t see how that helps much - if anything it might make it harder to get a song started. I've always seen it as a few inspire the many. Like I always sat in the Dolman as a kid and it wasn't the main singing area but just having a few singing would then cause more to join in who otherwise would sit quietly. I mean I'd shout a bit but I was never one to lead chants but if others around me did I'd join in. I feel like that's what is missing in the modern day of the ground, all the singers are mostly in one area meaning the rest of the ground stays fairly quiet as noone gets the other sections going. Ashton Gate just doesn't feel the same as it did 20 years ago when it comes to atmosphere, it feels more sterile. 1 Quote
City oz Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 05/01/2025 at 03:12, Bristol Rob said: Bring back Dolman block A singers.... for the 3 games they made an effort, before that experiment vanished. No idea if it was the club or that group who called time on it. I remember in the 70s the corner section of the grandstand and the section in front of it in the enclosure often started the chants before the east end. At this time the open-end half was segregated to the away fans (half close to the dolman) home supporters were in the other half of the open end. Keeping them apart was a fencing section x 2 times where the police and the stewards stood to assist with the separation. The away section then would have held at least 3,000. Ashton Gate then was a fortress and the atmosphere all around the ground was magnificent. You could smell the cigar smoke and when the ground was at capacity most used the polystyrene teacups as a utensil for peeing in. Now it's just a state-of-the-art stadium that is more laid out for rugby and concerts. Oh, the good old days are missed by many. Hers for a good cup run and come on you redssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Quote
Tony Tootle Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Can we bring back the H block band while we’re at it?! Quote
SecretSam Posted January 8 Posted January 8 So...move our most fervent supporters to what is effectively the oldest part of the ground, following the Dolman refurb? Alternatively, accept that the days of thousands swaying and singing are gone (if they even really existed at AG)? Quote
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 8 Posted January 8 4 hours ago, SecretSam said: So...move our most fervent supporters to what is effectively the oldest part of the ground, following the Dolman refurb? Alternatively, accept that the days of thousands swaying and singing are gone (if they even really existed at AG)? That is reductionist IMO. East End was the ikrest part of the Ground and yet was very popular with many who were there post All-seater. Sure wider changes to the game, society, law mean it would be different to say the least but 1.4kish inn a corner is too low and falls below demand in a 27k sesfrt ground. Kop at Anfield has 100% Rail Seating.. Quote
Topper 123 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 04/01/2025 at 18:33, Bar BS3 said: It made some more noise, but the embarrassing repetitions of "I'm a Bristol City fan & I'm a ****ing w***er" are not missed.! A wasted opportunity taken up by a bunch of idiots without the with or humour to make the most of it. Pathetic chant Quote
Topper 123 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Dolman A and B blocks when full we’re Quality and made more noise than rest of ground put together LADS GET BACK UP THERE and atmosphere will improve 100% 1 Quote
Topper 123 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Maybe safe standing and reduced ticket price for the upper section of A and B block would help CLUB? Quote
SecretSam Posted January 8 Posted January 8 32 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: That is reductionist IMO. East End was the ikrest part of the Ground and yet was very popular with many who were there post All-seater. Sure wider changes to the game, society, law mean it would be different to say the least but 1.4kish inn a corner is too low and falls below demand in a 27k sesfrt ground. Kop at Anfield has 100% Rail Seating.. If there's 1.4k singing, there's 1.4k singers. Putting them in a different stand won't increase their numbers. On rail seating, I'm ambivalent; I must confess I haven't tried it. If I'm standing, I want it to be cheaper. And, personally, I was never a huge fan of the EE, either stood or (especially) sat. I did like the old Enclosure, mind, nothing quite beats being able to abuse opposing players within earshot. As for comparing the EE with the Kop, I mean... 1 Quote
SecretSam Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Just now, Topper 123 said: Maybe safe standing and reduced ticket price for the upper section of A and B block would help CLUB? Or turn the South Stand into rail seating and create a 'red wall'. Can't guarantee anyone will sing more, mind. I've always found we make far more noise away from AG. Quote
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 8 Posted January 8 (edited) 10 minutes ago, SecretSam said: If there's 1.4k singing, there's 1.4k singers. Putting them in a different stand won't increase their numbers. On rail seating, I'm ambivalent; I must confess I haven't tried it. If I'm standing, I want it to be cheaper. And, personally, I was never a huge fan of the EE, either stood or (especially) sat. I did like the old Enclosure, mind, nothing quite beats being able to abuse opposing players within earshot. As for comparing the EE with the Kop, I mean... I believe Supply outstrips demand for the Safe Standing etc, therefore logically we need greater supply. Price v Rail Seating is an issue yes but it seems the best we were likely to get. Enclosure I assume you're talking pre All-Seater? My point is East End was much loved by fans who used it in whatever iteration, or era despite lacking good facilities. I'm not suggesting the EE is on par with the Kop, it was our spiritual Home- to partially hand it to Away fans was ludicrous IMO. The other element is, Standing is more conducive to chanting etc. Edited January 8 by Mr Popodopolous Quote
SecretSam Posted January 8 Posted January 8 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I believe Supply outstrip demand cor the Standing etc, therefore logically we need greater supply. Price v Rail Seating is an issue yes but it seems the best we were likely to get. Enclosure I assume you're talking pre All-Seater? My point is East End was much loved by fans who used it in whatever iteration, or era despite lacking good facilities. I'm not suggesting the EE is on par with the Kop, it was our spiritual Home- to partially hand it to Away fans was ludicrous IMO. The other element is, Standing is more conducive to chanting etc. Fair comment, I've always fancied trying rail seating (as long as I can still sit, I'm not getting any younger) - just to see what it's like. Similarly, being in S82 looks like (raucous) fun, but as you say, more people than places. However, the issue is that if you have loads of people with STs in the rest of the stands, they aren't necessarily going to want to give 'their' seat up for a relocation of the S82 gang. Oh, and the Enclosure - both, but pre-seating mostly. Not least 'cos it was cheap. However, I remember after it went all seating, celebrating madly a last minute winner against (IIRC) Swansea... Edited January 8 by SecretSam Enclosure memories 1 Quote
Topper 123 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 minute ago, SecretSam said: Fair comment, I've always fancied trying rail seating (as long as I can still sit, I'm not getting any younger) - just to see what it's like. Similarly, being in S82 looks like (raucous) fun, but as you say, more people than places. However, the issue is that if you have loads of people with STs in the rest of the stands, they aren't necessarily going to want to give 'their' seat up for a relocation of the S82 gang. I like this idea south stand rail seating doesn’t affect people’s season ticket seat just gives them option to stand .if you notice all away teams stand thus creating a better noise volume .i have back issues but tried rail standing last season at West Ham and thoroughly enjoyed it . 1 Quote
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 8 Posted January 8 8 minutes ago, SecretSam said: Fair comment, I've always fancied trying rail seating (as long as I can still sit, I'm not getting any younger) - just to see what it's like. Similarly, being in S82 looks like (raucous) fun, but as you say, more people than places. However, the issue is that if you have loads of people with STs in the rest of the stands, they aren't necessarily going to want to give 'their' seat up for a relocation of the S82 gang. Oh, and the Enclosure - both, but pre-seating mostly. Not least 'cos it was cheap. However, I remember after it went all seating, celebrating madly a last minute winner against (IIRC) Swansea... Rail Seating as Topper said can give option or stand or sit..could the top half be given as Rail Seating, the bottom half as actual Seating? I'm not a logistical planner Idk but it feels like the current situation isn't as food as if could be in this regard. The East End post All-seater was a funny one, the seats had no backs! I remember a Northampton fan moaning about them on a Forum I posted on saying he nearly went over or something, in the Away half of it. I can't remember but he was unimpressed. I sold it as older style or good mix of old and new..went In the Home bit myself once at the end of 2008 v Palace, very much enjoyed it- only there as it was overspill The Enclosure trying to think where, is it the Williams/Lansdown, South-Lansdown corner? Alternatively could we retrofit a bit of the Dolman where there was already an organic movement..ironically the Lansdown is the most spacious stand but it is also the most expensive so the two wouldn't really align. Quote
Admin Phantom Posted January 8 Admin Posted January 8 47 minutes ago, SecretSam said: Or turn the South Stand into rail seating and create a 'red wall'. Can't guarantee anyone will sing more, mind. I've always found we make far more noise away from AG. 34 minutes ago, Topper 123 said: I like this idea south stand rail seating doesn’t affect people’s season ticket seat just gives them option to stand .if you notice all away teams stand thus creating a better noise volume .i have back issues but tried rail standing last season at West Ham and thoroughly enjoyed it . Already mentioned about the discussions the SC&T had with the club into this and why it can't / won't be done right now 1 Quote
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 8 Posted January 8 (edited) Cost? You mentioned it @Phantom but are minutes specifically about this, SC&T? Apologies if already posted, thanks in advance. Edited January 8 by Mr Popodopolous Quote
Admin Phantom Posted January 8 Admin Posted January 8 29 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Cost? You mentioned it @Phantom but are minutes specifically about this, SC&T? Apologies if already psofdd, thanks in advance. The main problem is the Women's rugby world cup later this year. The seating etc was set and planned long ago so can't be changed These were the smaller meetings a couple of us had with the club in regards to improving the matchday experience I believe in the future it can be raised again 1 1 Quote
SecretSam Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Phantom said: The main problem is the Women's rugby world cup later this year. The seating etc was set and planned long ago so can't be changed These were the smaller meetings a couple of us had with the club in regards to improving the matchday experience I believe in the future it can be raised again Pesky women's egg chasers*... But, in theory, it could be done, if enough people wanted it? Interesting. Assume it wouldn't affect capacity (either up or down)? *I've applied for tickets for both semi-finals at AG Quote
cheddarwedlocker Posted January 8 Posted January 8 4 hours ago, Phantom said: The main problem is the Women's rugby world cup later this year. The seating etc was set and planned long ago so can't be changed These were the smaller meetings a couple of us had with the club in regards to improving the matchday experience I believe in the future it can be raised again Classic example of the football being put last again by Bristol Sport... 1 Quote
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 8 Posted January 8 (edited) 11 minutes ago, cheddarwedlocker said: Classic example of the football being put last again by Bristol Sport... It could be included in the Revenue for 2024-25, some bits were Rugby related in the BCFC Holdings Accounts or at least it referred to it. Surely it would be allocated to the Rugby however?? However whether it is worth it financially is another issue set against potential marginal gains and fan experience. That's curious though, Ashton Gate Limited was the relevant company cited under Bristol City Holdings..so Rugby exhibition Game Revenue and Costs should be nowhere near that. It also costs markedly more to prop up the BCFC Holdings than Rugby. Edited January 8 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote
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