HOW EMBARASSING?

[NDW4CITY]

Damn. Does this run of results now mean I need to divide my time between the Manning out, Tinnion out and Lansdowns out threads with all the play off, promotion and Europe in 5 years threads? My brain hurts..... 

[Dastardly and Muttley]

I’d love to know where we’d be in the league with an experienced Championship manager in charge.

I’ve waited months for someone to answer this simple question:

In what aspect of Liam’s role is he anything but average at best?

Media
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Bringing through youth

Please can someone tell me one thing that he excels at. Please.

[pillred]

1 hour ago, Mr Hankey said:

How “embarassing” not being able to spell “embarrassing” correctly.

I shall have to give you that one, I'm usually pretty good at spelling, but unfortunately for me, that one let me down.

[One Team]

49 minutes ago, spudski said:

What's even more embarrassing, is 2 hours ago, in the match day thread, he posted...

'Is anyone else thinking the longer it stays just 1-0 the more the inevitable is going to happen?'

The phrase hoist by his own petard comes to mind there!

[redsquirrel]

14 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

I’d love to know where we’d be in the league with an experienced Championship manager in charge.

I’ve waited months for someone to answer this simple question:

In what aspect of Liam’s role is he anything but average at best?

Media
Transfers
Subs
Tactical setup
Adaptability
Bringing through youth

Please can someone tell me one thing that he excels at. Please.

upgrading hair styles 

[steviestevieneville]

58 minutes ago, spudski said:

What's even more embarrassing, is 2 hours ago, in the match day thread, he posted...

'Is anyone else thinking the longer it stays just 1-0 the more the inevitable is going to happen?'

@pillred care to comment  

[Sir Geoff]

2 hours ago, pillred said:

Do the Manning out posts look now?

Remind me, didn't we have 3 wins and a draw this time last season too ?

[Sir Geoff]

1 hour ago, Super said:

Whilst it's pretty embarrassing you do notice posters go missing when we win.

Probably because there isn't much to critique. A win is the expected outcome of a 2 player contest. Fall below expected outcome and people will question why.

[Henry]

56 minutes ago, mozo said:

I'm not feeling the haha, told you so vibes, but I do think our league position does give us a reminder not to jump to dramatic conclusions after a couple of bad results. It's a long season and things can change for bad or worse. You gotta just chill and see how it goes sometimes.

Equally, Mehmeti has been completely written off on this forum before and none of us foresaw this significant improvement. I'm not writing off Mayulu, Armstrong or Bell. I wouldn't mind betting one of the three will come good and have a big impact.

My views are based on seeing the best, the worse and the bore of Manningball.

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

I would have sacked the guy around March last season just before the uptick in results.  After that it was worth giving him the preseason.

This season I've been underwhelmed given the money spent.

• The first block of 10 we under performed badly 
• Then we did better in a harder block of 10
• This block of ten we're doing ok

We've invested in a moonshot type season having been promised were a top six team.  My view is we will probably regret throwing points away earlier in the season come the end of the season.

I think Burnley, Sheffield Utd, Leeds are all better stronger teams than us and most of the rest of the division.  Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Blackburn, West Brom are all solid sides with Watford and Norwich capable of more.  I think Wednesday are over performing so we need to be way more consistent before I'm sold that it's a good season and we're capable of top six.

 

[O'Garlandinho]

3 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

I would have sacked the guy around March last season just before the uptick in results.  After that it was worth giving him the preseason.

This season I've been underwhelmed given the money spent.

• The first block of 10 we under performed badly 
• Then we did better in a harder block of 10
• This block of ten we're doing ok

We've invested in a moonshot type season having been promised were a top six team.  My view is we will probably regret throwing points away earlier in the season come the end of the season.

I think Burnley, Sheffield Utd, Leeds are all better stronger teams than us and most of the rest of the division.  Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Blackburn, West Brom are all solid sides with Watford and Norwich capable of more.  I think Wednesday are over performing so we need to be way more consistent before I'm sold that it's a good season and we're capable of top six.

 

:laugh:, sacked after 5 months in the job. 

[NDW4CITY]

23 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

@pillred care to comment  

 

 

Edited January 4 by NDW4CITY

[Dullmoan Tone]

1 hour ago, Super said:

Whilst it's pretty embarrassing you do notice posters go missing when we win.

But they will sadly never be happy until Pearson is reinstated, with grovelling apologies from SL and Tinnion is seen driving off into the sunset!

[Fordy62]

1 hour ago, Super said:

Whilst it's pretty embarrassing you do notice posters go missing when we win.

I think I’ve just largely gone missing full stop. I just don’t really care very much any more. I have no hatred for Manning, I wish him nothing but success because wins must bring him some degree of happiness - and he deserves that. But I just can’t find myself being overly interested - it’s great when we lose, because I just don’t care much. But it’s odd when we win - because I just don’t care much. Maybe it’s finishing 12th over and over again, but maybe I’ve just had enough of the way SL runs the club. It’s boring.

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

But they will sadly never be happy until Pearson is reinstated, with grovelling apologies from SL and Tinnion is seen driving off into the sunset!

Think we're all accepted that Manning has replaced NP and as long as he keeps doing a steady job with clear signs of progress (debatable on Point 2)..yeah.

The reaction across here and elsewhere on Social Media to the potential for Tinnion having gone, well that is a different story. The most Independent of the 3 Podcasts actually used the expression celebrating and that is quite a leading strong question as some fans were very much in that frame of mind- I for one was delighted when I assumed he was out. OSIB Twitter Monday.

[Oizys]

55 minutes ago, pillred said:

Well said, some on here seem to have taken what I said personally when all I was doing was pointing out that we are doing well under the same manager that a lot were calling for the sack not long ago.

Well... No. If that were the case you'd say that rather than frame it in a point scoring fashion, which is what you actually did.

[BITW]

2 hours ago, pillred said:

Do the Manning out posts look now?

Come back to this at the end of the season. 

[redsquirrel]

13 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

I would have sacked the guy around March last season just before the uptick in results.  After that it was worth giving him the preseason.

This season I've been underwhelmed given the money spent.

• The first block of 10 we under performed badly 
• Then we did better in a harder block of 10
• This block of ten we're doing ok

We've invested in a moonshot type season having been promised were a top six team.  My view is we will probably regret throwing points away earlier in the season come the end of the season.

I think Burnley, Sheffield Utd, Leeds are all better stronger teams than us and most of the rest of the division.  Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Blackburn, West Brom are all solid sides with Watford and Norwich capable of more.  I think Wednesday are over performing so we need to be way more consistent before I'm sold that it's a good season and we're capable of top six.

 

i agree that the first block of ten cost us, personally, i think they underestimated how much they would miss matty james and werent ready for that.

we are doing quite a bit better now and higher in the table than i thought we would be so something is going right, i just cant see what it is , by the same token, (and i mean playing the same) , it will be typical city to slide back down now so fingers crossed, these improved results continue

[RedZepperin]

52 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

I’d love to know where we’d be in the league with an experienced Championship manager in charge.

I’ve waited months for someone to answer this simple question:

In what aspect of Liam’s role is he anything but average at best?

Media
Transfers
Subs
Tactical setup
Adaptability
Bringing through youth

Please can someone tell me one thing that he excels at. Please.

Coaching, presumably.

[Show Me The Money!]

Please can we stop with these shit stirring posts. We all know that we could easily go on a string of defeats and we’ll be back in mid table before you know it.

 It’s an incredibly competitive league and so hard to judge how well we are doing just from a few games as we know that can quickly change.

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

3 hours ago, lenred said:

Am I?  You tell me……. 

 

3 hours ago, pillred said:

Well, tell me what your honest opinion was say 5 games ago, I haven't got time to read through all your posts on the matter. Did you actually read my reply you know the one where I said if not?

Well, Len

On the basis that you were only too happy to support the forum village idiot Robbored's "Manning Out" post on 22nd December- I'd say @pillred might have a fair point on this one.

[Chrizzler]

3 hours ago, BCFC31 said:

Ffs chill out! Stop getting ahead of your self. I'm indifferent as long as we win games but your letting the 8th position make you dizzy.

Not as bad as some writing the season off in December!

[bcfcredandwhite]

2 hours ago, Dredd said:

Then we lose a few and go mid-table. Someone else posts Manning out and the cycle starts again. 

This. But also, win a few games and threads like this appear. 
Some people have their reasons. I can only speak for myself. 
I’d want the manager replaced if we ever looked like being relegated. We haven’t looked like being relegated IMHO this season so I’m ’Manning In’ by default. I firmly believe that chopping and changing the manager after a couple of poor results - or to appoint a ‘higher profile’ manager - is a toxic reaction and can seriously backfire - look at Birmingham for example. 
I actually (as have posted on other threads) like some of the football too. 
All the JL waffle about top 6 is exactly that; waffle. I’m not going to call for a manager to be sacked just because JL said we’d be top 6 and we aren’t. 
What JL says goes over my head.  It’s irrelevant. 
What IS relevant is that we are genuine contenders for a top 6 finish, but what most of us on here probably agree on is that we need a goal scorer. The rest of the team is pretty well balanced but we lack someone up front who can regularly and reliably stick them away. 
Of course, a goal scoring striker is very expensive, so we will do what we always do and pick from the lower leagues to try and unearth a diamond. 
We don’t need a new manager. We need a new striker. 
 

[Mr Popodopolous]

9 minutes ago, Chrizzler said:

Not as bad as some writing the season off in December!

Margins are still quite thin.

We really cannot afford another slow run or it will definitely fizzle out, we need another 33 Pts from 20 Games to be reasonably deemed contenders. Margin for error isn't brilliant.

My acceptable target all things being equal is 70 Points.

Edited January 4 by Mr Popodopolous

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

23 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

Please can we stop with these shit stirring posts. We all know that we could easily go on a string of defeats and we’ll be back in mid table before you know it.

 It’s an incredibly competitive league and so hard to judge how well we are doing just from a few games as we know that can quickly change.

Exactly so and I totally agree - so why do we need the Manning Out posts when we lose a couple on the bounce or even one dreadful game? Why is it that those who are most offended by @pillred's OP are invariably the same who were so keen to support Robbored's Manning Out thread on 22nd Dec? All 100 of them.

What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Manning is not the best Manager, some of his football strategy is frustrating but ,IMO, he's done absolutely nothing wrong to warrant the vilification he gets after a few poor matches. It's almost as if there are those still so bitter about what went before they desperately want him to be sacked to prove their narrative.

 

 

[lenred]

25 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

 

Well, Len

On the basis that you were only too happy to support the forum village idiot Robbored's "Manning Out" post on 22nd December- I'd say @pillred might have a fair point on this one.

Oh Marina.   You’re losing your ‘I’m going to search people’s posting history because I’ve got **** all else to do’ touch!! You didn’t need to go all the way back to that thread to get your little kick!! I said only yesterday that I think it’s best he goes as that is my position and it has been for a while. I’ve not shied from it……To save you time I’ll even quote the latest post for you ‘Personally I hope that’s sooner rather than later (along with at least Tinnion - the Lansdowns going is pipe dream atm) as we need a clean slate as a club and a manager and DOF who can progress us’.    

But that wasn’t the point I was making here was it? Try referencing my first post to get that correct understanding and context  

PS far be it for me to stand up for RR, but it’s interesting that you are always one of the ones to moan about name calling, forum etiquette etc (fair enough) but then deem it acceptable to call a fellow supporter a ‘’village idiot’’.  Seems you can give it out, but take it?  Maybe not.  

Anyway.  Have a good evening.  

Edited January 4 by lenred
Typo

[Show Me The Money!]

1 minute ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Exactly so and I totally agree - so why do we need the Manning Out posts when we lose a couple on the bounce or even one dreadful game? Why is it that those who are most offended by @pillred's OP are invariably the same who were so keen to support Robbored's Manning Out thread on 22nd Dec? All 100 of them.

What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Manning is not the best Manager, some of his football strategy is frustrating but ,IMO, he's done absolutely nothing wrong to warrant the vilification he gets after a few poor matches. It's almost as if there are those still so bitter about what went before they desperately want him to be sacked to prove their narrative.

 

 

I’m neither, both sides are as sad and childish as each other but my point was that you can’t judge how well we are progressing from a few games whether it be a successful or unsuccessful period. As I said we are in an incredibly tough league with teams with parachute payments or with a far more successful history and therefore greater expectation and draw than us.

 We’ve also had years of seasons where we’ve flirted for a couple of weeks with the playoffs to just drop down to mid table again.

i sincerely hope that we achieve the goal of the playoffs or at the very least be in with a shot of being in them come the end of the season. Do any of us know if we’ll achieve that? I’d say no.

It’s a forum so I guess people can post whatever they like within reason but the goading and shit stirring either way is just pointless 

[pillred]

1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said:

@pillred care to comment  

How about they did it to make me look like an idiot? :laugh:.

Edited January 4 by pillred

[steviestevieneville]

Just now, pillred said:

How about they did it to make me look like an idiot?

Are you saying you didn’t write it ? 
I just quoted it to wind you up. It just proves my point about point scoring . It’s pathetic . 

[W-S-M Seagull]

2 hours ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

I’d love to know where we’d be in the league with an experienced Championship manager in charge.

I’ve waited months for someone to answer this simple question:

In what aspect of Liam’s role is he anything but average at best?

Media
Transfers
Subs
Tactical setup
Adaptability
Bringing through youth

Please can someone tell me one thing that he excels at. Please.

This. 

Put someone like Mowbray in charge and we'd be higher up the league. 

[PortInTheMorning]

1 hour ago, Fordy62 said:

I think I’ve just largely gone missing full stop. I just don’t really care very much any more. I have no hatred for Manning, I wish him nothing but success because wins must bring him some degree of happiness - and he deserves that. But I just can’t find myself being overly interested - it’s great when we lose, because I just don’t care much. But it’s odd when we win - because I just don’t care much. Maybe it’s finishing 12th over and over again, but maybe I’ve just had enough of the way SL runs the club. It’s boring.

 

Can you just buck up a bit? Jesus 

[Davefevs]

37 minutes ago, lenred said:

Oh Marina.   You’re losing your ‘I’m going to search people’s posting history because I’ve got **** all else to do’ touch!! You didn’t need to go all the way back to that thread to get your little kick!! I said only yesterday that I think it’s best he goes as that is my position and it has been for a while. I’ve not shied from it……To save you time I’ll even quote the latest post for you ‘Personally I hope that’s sooner rather than later (along with at least Tinnion - the Lansdowns going is pipe dream atm) as we need a clean slate as a club and a manager and DOF who can progress us’.    

But that wasn’t the point I was making here was it? Try referencing my first post to get that correct understanding and context  

PS far be it for me to stand up for RR, but it’s interesting that you are always one of the ones to moan about name calling, forum etiquette etc (fair enough) but then deem it acceptable to call a fellow supporter a ‘’village idiot’’.  Seems you can give it out, but take it?  Maybe not.  

Anyway.  Have a good evening.  

Don’t worry, he / she accused me of going quiet on here after City win. Of all the posters on OTIB to claim “goes quiet after a win”, he / she chose me.  Lordy, Lordy, effin’ hat-stand!

On a brighter note, aside from the win, nice to see the banned users creating more accounts and getting banned so quickly.

Edited January 4 by Davefevs

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Don’t worry, he / she accused me of going quiet on here after City win. Of all the posters on OTIB to claim “goes quiet after a win”, he / she chose me.  Lordy, Lordy, effin’ hat-stand!

Quote me the post .

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

42 minutes ago, lenred said:

 

PS far be it for me to stand up for RR, but it’s interesting that you are always one of the ones to moan about name calling, forum etiquette etc (fair enough) but then deem it acceptable to call a fellow supporter a ‘’village idiot’’.  Seems you can give it out, but take it?  Maybe not.  

Anyway.  Have a good evening.  

For me to reference Robbored as the forum's village idiot is pretty soft compared to what some have said but you feel you need to make a point. Well done!

[Davefevs]

I don’t need to, I laughed at your claims then.

[RedRoss]

None of this needed. I've probably been quite flexible on Mannings tenure so far. I reckon he gets a lot of stick for menial things. However, even I was questioning his future a couple of weeks ago. 

Because the league is so tight and currently every game we play is a close affair. We are one or two games away from fans writing the season off as mid table mediocrity or planning their time off for the play offs. It feels like Mannings on a knife edge because we're pretty consistent at inconsistency. He'll get the season either way by the board unless we go on some crazy losing spree and he'll be judged accordingly at that time. If we've not improved considering the investment on last season then he should be moved on. 

We need to get away from dramatic topics either way rubbing it in the face of other fans off the back of a win or loss. There is still 20 games to play and we're still in the mix. Let's see how it pans out. 

 

Edited January 4 by RedRoss

[Dastardly and Muttley]

1 hour ago, RedZepperin said:

Coaching, presumably.

But still, we don’t see evidence of this. As many players have progressed, arguably Mehmeti, have regressed or stagnated Sykes, Yu, Cornick, Atkinson. We’re generally poorer after international breaks when he’s had time to coach. I don’t see evidence of above average coaching.

[pillred]

30 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Are you saying you didn’t write it ? 
I just quoted it to wind you up. It just proves my point about point scoring . It’s pathetic . 

I have to confess your responses baffle me, you obviously did not get the gist of my post at all, when did it become wrong to point out all the negativity about the manager has rather come back to bite a lot of posters on the ar*e.

Edited January 4 by pillred

[Lack of Action Man]

4 hours ago, pillred said:

Do the Manning out posts look now?

It is entirely possible to be very pleased with our recent run of form, whilst maintaining that Manning is not the right man for the job.

[RedRoss]

Just now, Lack of Action Man said:

It is entirely possible to be very pleased with our recent run of form, whilst maintaining that Manning is not the right man for the job.

When does he become the right man for the job for you?

[MC RISK77]

28 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

This. 

Put someone like Mowbray in charge and we'd be higher up the league. 

Pure guesswork,

And whilst Mowbray is undoubtably a decent guy he has only one promotion with a championship club and that was almost two decades ago and since then he has failed at Celtic, Middlesbrough, Coventry, with just one more visit to the playoffs with Sunderland before also being dismissed their…..whilst a competent manager his cv doesn’t exactly scream gauranteed success

[Redtucks]

4 hours ago, PortInTheMorning said:

@Shauntaylor85 You're not singing, you're not singing, you're not singing anymore 

Gone back in his burrow.

Never comes out when we win.

(Thank god)

 

[Ian M]

[W-S-M Seagull]

11 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said:

Pure guesswork,

And whilst Mowbray is undoubtably a decent guy he has only one promotion with a championship club and that was almost two decades ago and since then he has failed at Celtic, Middlesbrough, Coventry, with just one more visit to the playoffs with Sunderland before also being dismissed their…..whilst a competent manager his cv doesn’t exactly scream gauranteed success

What's not guess work is that Manning is not getting the best out of the team and a number of players. That's pretty factual. 

So therefore it goes without saying that another manager would/could get the most out of them. I gave Mowbray as an example but there are plenty of other managers who also have the ability to do so. 

Whilst we are 3 points off the play offs now, Manning is not getting the maximum out of the squad. Maybe he will in three future. But right now he is not. 

Edited January 4 by W-S-M Seagull

[The Swan and Cemetery]

8 minutes ago, pillred said:

I have to confess your responses baffle me, you obviously did not get the gist of my post at all, when did it become wrong to point out all the negativity about the manager has rather come back to bite a lot of posters on the ar*e.

Not sure why, if people thought Manning should go then, subsequently beating (as at tonight) 18th, 20th and 21st at home and drawing with 24th away, would change their minds or make them feel embarrassed. Totally fair to think Manning’s the right person for the job, or that he isn’t, but the last 4 results, whilst welcome, haven’t turned our season around or revealed a dramatic new direction? As per most of the last 10 seasons, we scream mid table, that’s solid enough, if a bit dull. For me, if we don’t get to the play offs that’s not a damning indictment of LM, equally if we finish mid table, it’s not a ringing endorsement either. 

[BobBobBobbin]

it's always the folk who offer absolutely nothing to the football discussion (and it's discussion in the main) who get involved in the "i told you so" childishness. Maybe that's why it goes quieter after a win? because people know a Car is going to log in and be an insufferable bore. 

 

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

2 hours ago, O'Garlandinho said:

:laugh:, sacked after 5 months in the job. 

Right at that point in time he seemed incapable of getting the best out of the players.  And we were on a long run of poor results and dropping.  He eventually changed track and it yielded better results towards the end of the season saving our season so to speak.  So yeah he's lucky I'm not the boss he'd have been looking for a new job last season.  This season clean slate and as stated underwhelming given the spend, and still a work in progress but signs of progress.  But I'm not going to shit the bed I'm hopping we find consistency.

[MC RISK77]

14 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

What's not guess work is that Manning is not getting the best out of the team and a number of players. That's pretty factual. 

So therefore it goes without saying that another manager would/could get the most out of them. I gave Mowbray as an example but there are plenty of other managers who also have the ability to do so. 

Whilst we are 3 points off the play offs now, Manning is not getting the maximum out of the squad. Maybe he will in three future. But right now he is not. 

That is your opinion but doesn’t make it a fact- based on most people’s predictions on here prior to a ball being kicked I seem to remember most people thought we would have finished anywhere between 10th-16th. My view was we should be challenging or in or around the playoffs for a sustained period in the season based on the investment made, which we are just about now so in respect to expectations we are probably for most exceeding this- and just because Jon Lansdown says we have a top 6 squad also doesn’t make it fact- I certainly don’t  believe we have a better squad than the current top 5 and would be amazed if anyone thought that we did, so we are where I hoped we would be- whether we stay their is another thing.

Only 5 teams have lost fewer than us, we are top ten for goals scored and conceded- suggests we are a very competitive club at this level and dare I say it at times pretty attractive to watch.

And which players is he currently not getting the best out of? The back three seem pretty solid bar the occasional dreadful hammering, Jason Knight has been lauded as playing very well currently- mehmeti in the form of his life, Bird is having a pretty good first season. The strikers have been poor bar Nahki.

I am unsure whether Manning will be judged as a success here or not once he is gone, and I am certainly not suggesting he is doing an outstanding job- but it’s his first full season managing at this level and based on where we are now it’s not a bad effort at all- replacing him with another manager now which I find amazing some are still thinking is the right thing and expecting better output is pure conjecture 

[KnowleUtd City]

Well said Pillred, the moaning on here is worse than listening to my Mrs. Most people down the pub can’t be bothered to read this guff due to the moaning, anyone who’s watched City down the decades knows we are very decent at the moment. We’ve got some good lads who play for the manager, and give their all for the shirt. It’s not an exact science, so some weeks it doesn’t come off, but that’s football. Either get behind the lads, or find something else to do. COYR. 

[TDarwall]

1 hour ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

But still, we don’t see evidence of this. As many players have progressed, arguably Mehmeti, have regressed or stagnated Sykes, Yu, Cornick, Atkinson. We’re generally poorer after international breaks when he’s had time to coach. I don’t see evidence of above average coaching.

Not sure how the following have regressed;

Cornick - hardly played under previous regime (& widely ridiculed) - no change.

Atkinson has been injd for virtually LM's entire tenure.

Yu has had an up & down start, which isn't a shock moving country etc.

Sykes divides opinion but I think he's done well when playing this season (but I do accept he's a player likely to get shunted around to different positions).

[AshtonGreat]

1 hour ago, Lack of Action Man said:

It is entirely possible to be very pleased with our recent run of form, whilst maintaining that Manning is not the right man for the job.

I think he's doing pretty well. Who do you think is the right man for the job?

[TheCulturalBomb]

We're in a funny place where 3 wins in a row and it's "Is this finally our season." Or 3 loses in a row is "He's got to go." Let's just be happy for now were being competitive. 

[Dastardly and Muttley]

1 hour ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

Right at that point in time he seemed incapable of getting the best out of the players.  And we were on a long run of poor results and dropping.  He eventually changed track and it yielded better results towards the end of the season saving our season so to speak.  So yeah he's lucky I'm not the boss he'd have been looking for a new job last season.  This season clean slate and as stated underwhelming given the spend, and still a work in progress but signs of progress.  But I'm not going to shit the bed I'm hopping we find consistency.

Problem is, he shifted tack towards the end of the season and then went right back to his way of playing for the start of this.

Similar during Hogg’s time in charge. We shifted tack and looked good, then have drifted back to Manning’s way.

He’s stubborn and won’t twist to what works with our players.

[Lew-T]

There are some absolute odd balls that follow us.

[Shauntaylor85]

4 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

Remind me, didn't we have 3 wins and a draw this time last season too ?

Kind run of games v 4 awful sides, yet not the 12 points we should have. Granted I’ll take it, I hope we get top six but we are one of those sides that can easily go on another winless run. Let’s see. 

[Ian M]

Nailed on defeat at Cov. Possibly a heavy one.

 

[BS15_RED]

6 hours ago, REDOXO said:

I don’t worry too much about spelling and punctuation here as 90% of my posts are via iPhone and it’s a pain!

However I do try with thread titles! I wouldn’t want to be pilloried! 

That’s brilliant sir, sadly I think it was a bit too subtle for most on here!

[BS15_RED]

7 hours ago, pillred said:

Do the Manning out posts look now?

Tell me something, are you better by far in The Duke or The Star, than on the Old Pill Ferry tonight?

[Herbsley]

7 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

How silly do point scorers look. It’s pathetic to be honest , either one way or the other. All opinions ebb & flow . Only opinion I’ve stuck with for years is I want the lansdowns to sell up . 
so enjoy the win & stop the childish thumbing the nose. 

I get the ‘point scoring’ because either way it’s all become a tad tiresome and probably why many historic contributors to this board can’t be @rsed anymore. We got 3 points. We’re making (imho progress as opposed to the last number I’m of seasons). Just enjoy it and take deep breaths for the next game we lose when the world will be sh!te agsin

[Ring]

Apparently, Nick Knowles from DIY SOS is the son of Tony Knowles, the ex snooker player. He’s also the cousin of Beyoncé Knowles.

[mozo]

9 hours ago, MC RISK77 said:

That is your opinion but doesn’t make it a fact- based on most people’s predictions on here prior to a ball being kicked I seem to remember most people thought we would have finished anywhere between 10th-16th. My view was we should be challenging or in or around the playoffs for a sustained period in the season based on the investment made, which we are just about now so in respect to expectations we are probably for most exceeding this- and just because Jon Lansdown says we have a top 6 squad also doesn’t make it fact- I certainly don’t  believe we have a better squad than the current top 5 and would be amazed if anyone thought that we did, so we are where I hoped we would be- whether we stay their is another thing.

Only 5 teams have lost fewer than us, we are top ten for goals scored and conceded- suggests we are a very competitive club at this level and dare I say it at times pretty attractive to watch.

And which players is he currently not getting the best out of? The back three seem pretty solid bar the occasional dreadful hammering, Jason Knight has been lauded as playing very well currently- mehmeti in the form of his life, Bird is having a pretty good first season. The strikers have been poor bar Nahki.

I am unsure whether Manning will be judged as a success here or not once he is gone, and I am certainly not suggesting he is doing an outstanding job- but it’s his first full season managing at this level and based on where we are now it’s not a bad effort at all- replacing him with another manager now which I find amazing some are still thinking is the right thing and expecting better output is pure conjecture 

He's also getting incredible improvement from Mehmeti, and has had to almost constantly rotate the squad due to injuries. 

[JBFC II]

10 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

What's not guess work is that Manning is not getting the best out of the team and a number of players. That's pretty factual. 

So therefore it goes without saying that another manager would/could get the most out of them. I gave Mowbray as an example but there are plenty of other managers who also have the ability to do so. 

Whilst we are 3 points off the play offs now, Manning is not getting the maximum out of the squad. Maybe he will in three future. But right now he is not. 

How many managers at this level get the maximum out of their squad for a sustained period? Mowbray has done it rarely over his career, there’s nothing to say he would do so with us.

You said earlier to me that in order to get into the play offs we would need to ‘excel’ and yet here you’re claiming Manning is underperforming with us being 3 points off the play offs. What would you say is par in terms of where we should be?

[Silvio Dante]

1 hour ago, mozo said:

He's also getting incredible improvement from Mehmeti, and has had to almost constantly rotate the squad due to injuries. 

Im not sure that’s really the case. By my rough count the following have been available for every game (after signing)

O’Leary, Vyner, McNally, Bird, Knight, Mehmeti, Earthy, Mayulu

(Debate/discuss how good they are but the first six are in mosts first choice eleven and the other two were signed this summer so when brought in were deemed as first team players).

We adopted a strategy this summer of bulking the squad in order to cope with any injuries, and have at least two for each position who could be classed as first teamers. Yep, you may get the unfortunate position of (for example) both Tanner and McCrorie being injured, but the bottom line is that our injuries are no more or less than other teams, and we have a squad that is large enough to cope with it.

[Natchfever]

16 hours ago, pillred said:

Do the Manning out posts look now?

Silly post.

Lets see where we are end of season.

People rightly mock Swindon for celebrating the title in November, posts like yours arent much better.

One thing I would say is that I expect a much better output from Mannings team than the one Pearson had at the end of his tenure because it has better players.

Lets hope he keeps it up and his fan club will increase.

[mozo]

1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

Im not sure that’s really the case. By my rough count the following have been available for every game (after signing)

O’Leary, Vyner, McNally, Bird, Knight, Mehmeti, Earthy, Mayulu

(Debate/discuss how good they are but the first six are in mosts first choice eleven and the other two were signed this summer so when brought in were deemed as first team players).

We adopted a strategy this summer of bulking the squad in order to cope with any injuries, and have at least two for each position who could be classed as first teamers. Yep, you may get the unfortunate position of (for example) both Tanner and McCrorie being injured, but the bottom line is that our injuries are no more or less than other teams, and we have a squad that is large enough to cope with it.

That still leaves a lot of unwanted rotation imo.

[Davefevs]

24 minutes ago, mozo said:

That still leaves a lot of unwanted rotation imo.

Go and look at every squad in the Championship and you’ll see similar “rotation”, whether that be injuries, form, rest, poor team seiection, etc.

Manning isn’t making this excuse in fairness to him.  He might moan about too many fixtures, but he says “that’s why we have a bigger squad, so that we can cope”.

[2015]

I still have the same concerns as I did post-WBA. We've seen too often that this side has it in them to pull a duffer performance away from home and get slapped 2 or 3-0. We've also dropped roughly 11 points from winning positions in the final 5 minutes this season. 

The massive positive this season is the fact we now regularly win home matches, which we hadn't been able to do for years. Liam has managed to sort this out since coming in, to be fair to him.

I think we're close to the playoffs. We're just not quite good enough and where we end up which I think will be roughly 10th sums up where this City side are currently.

Striker needed this month, or next Summer if we really want to push on. 

Would like a good FA cup run to make things more interesting.
I will also add that I do feel sorry for Liam. I do think he has been under more pressure because the general feeling towards BT, JL and SL has been negative for quite some time and he has took the brunt of their bad optics in the media and their previous decision making. I also think Liam isn't the best speaker compared to the likes of NP, LJ and Cotterill which has not helped win fans over unfortunately. 

I think overall he is doing OK. I get angry about the away performances like WBA, Portsmouth, Derby and Blackburn because I just think we're a better side than what we showed in them matches in particular which left me and probably many other fans feeling very frustrated.

[RedGrucky]

3 hours ago, mozo said:

He's also getting incredible improvement from Mehmeti

There was a recent interview with Mehmeti talking about his form - which another poster linked to. Pretty sure he said he's not doing anything different, but that getting to play more (and having confidence you'll be picked again) means he's not rushing and snatching at opportunities expecting to be subbed (I'm paraphrasing). Personally I'd like to hear more from the players, for their own views - albeit I understand some will be more corporately onboard than others...

[mozo]

4 minutes ago, RedGrucky said:

There was a recent interview with Mehmeti talking about his form - which another poster linked to. Pretty sure he said he's not doing anything different, but that getting to play more (and having confidence you'll be picked again) means he's not rushing and snatching at opportunities expecting to be subbed (I'm paraphrasing). Personally I'd like to hear more from the players, for their own views - albeit I understand some will be more corporately onboard than others...

There's literally no way of us knowing what impact Manning had on Mehmeti, Nige on Semenyo, LJ on Bobby, etc etc. But we tend to associate results and player performances with the incumbent manager regardless. I'm agnostic!

[RedGrucky]

1 minute ago, mozo said:

There's literally no way of us knowing what impact Manning had on Mehmeti, Nige on Semenyo, LJ on Bobby, etc etc. But we tend to associate results and player performances with the incumbent manager regardless. I'm agnostic!

Agree re: Semenyo and Bobby - it's 2025 after all! But I do think you pick up nuggets about views on current development, coaching and man management etc when you hear from players directly. If we're being agnostic and you believe there's no way of knowing what impact a coach has, I'd expect to read "Mehmeti has improved incredibly" - rather than "He's getting incredible improvement from Mehmeti". But either way, it's nice to see a player in form.